That's "latex milk", which is not the same as milk and latex.
The article also suggests that they used white wood glue, which people are more likely to have around the house. (Adding a bit of glycerin to the glue seems to be an optional step.)
Differentiating via OS doesn't work, that's not opinion
Tell that to Apple...
This simply tells me you haven't even seen either Blackberry's latest OS or Android since version 4.
My first BB was a 7290, my current phone is a Z10. (While I'm a long-time user, I'm no die-hard, I'll happily give up my BB if something better comes along.) My wife and a few of my friends are Android fans and I've done some Android development. I'd like to think that I have a reasonable, if admittedly limited, familiarity with Android.
Blackberry have even gone as far to copy common icons such as the 3 dots for menus and so forth. Many other UI elements are exact copies of Android.
You're not very familiar with BlackBerry are you? From their gesture suite to their approach to multitasking, BB10 is about as close to Android as Android is to Windows 3.1. Given your list of similarities, you might as well claim that my car is just like a bicycle because the wheels on both are round. Or, for a better analogy, that Ubuntu Linux, Windows, and MacOS are all identical because the close icon is a little 'X' along with a host of other similar icons 'copied' from Windows 95.
They're rather dramatically different. I honestly don't see how you can claim that they're similar at all.
Sure it's very different under the hood but that's not what I'm talking about here because that's not what users see, I'm talking about the fact the UI is a poor clone of vanilla Android 4 with a few ideas stolen from iOS too.
You couldn't possibly be more wrong. If they stole from anyone, it would be Palm. I've see many, and even made my own, comparisons to WebOS as far back as PlayBook OS. You'd be the first I've seen suggest that BB10 is anything like Android. Probably because BB10 is absolutely nothing like Android.
Have you even used PBOS or BB10?
The problem is that Elop wasn't the person to do it and a focus on WP8 wasn't the way to go. Both these things were done to make Nokia an easy cheap takeover for Microsoft
Wait, so you're saying that Nokia purposefully tanked itself by hiring Elop and switching to WP8 so that Microsoft could cheaply and easily take them over? That doesn't make any sense.
Android was the easiest path for it to stay a strong independent company, just like Samsung.
See my earlier post. The only company that benefited from Android was Samsung, and there's absolutely no reason to believe that it was the OS that made them successful.
Android isn't that great, and it's one of the worst mobile platforms for developers -- even BlackBerry has them beat there. (I know the meme, but a lot has changed over the past few years.)
Android is on top because it's inexpensive and open. As I said before, they will fall very quickly the instant an equally inexpensive and open platform shows up that has a better UI and/or is easier to developers.
If differentiating via OS is the key as people like you seem to think it is then why are Blackberry, Nokia, and the Firefox phones all failing?
BlackBerry is having trouble because of the 'they're dying' meme, which is only true now because everyone believed it when it wasn't true. The hardware is solid, as is the OS and UI. Those all got high-praise from even their worse detractors (like BGR). Their weak app market and the unfounded belief that they could go under at any moment were their biggest problems.
Nokia was, and still is, horribly mismanaged. Do you actually think switching to Android would have magically saved them? It sure hasn't helped Samsung's competitors!
The Firefox phone didn't fail because of the OS, it failed because it was pitifully outdated at "launch" and sold (exclusively?) through eBay. Then again, it may be too early to say that it failed. It's difficult to say that it's eve
Samsung has proven what a joke the "me too" argument is
Tell that to HTC, Motorola, LG,...
But worse, that argument looks even more stupid due to the fact that Blackberry's latest OS is very much a "me too" clone of Android
Wow, not even a little bit. The two are dramatically different in just about every respect.
The decline in value and worth of Nokia is almost unparalleled to any other tech company.
Ignoring the "unparalleled" hyperbole, for the moment, do you honestly think they'd have done better had Elop gone with Android? Nokia had made a lot of strategic mistakes long before Microsoft came calling. Do you think Elop's infamous restructuring was "just because"? It was, at the time, a necessary effort to save the ailing company.
To suggest that had they just switched to Android they'd be fine is laughably naive.
Do you really think any blind person doesn't realize how important sight is? It's pretty easy to explain,
Cool, can you help me out? I'm having an awful time understanding color. What's it like to experience that?
and trivial to demonstrate abilities that sight provides that the sightless do not have. Any blind person can be easily convinced that sight exists by performing experiments. Can you do the same with dream analysis?
Is there any reason that you haven't listed any of your alleged "failures". (I suspect it's because you don't actually have any in mind and you're just repeating a silly meme.)
As for Tizen, we'll see if that's the case when it's actually released.:) My claim "the best browser on the market" remains true.
Now, your claim was that the BB10 browser "was not great" and that you "prefer firefox on android".
Oxygen and the air pressure are always being monitored. In the event of a decompression, an oxygen mask will automatically appear in front of you. To start the flow of oxygen, pull the mask towards you. Place it firmly over your nose and mouth, secure the elastic band behind your head, and breathe normally. Although the bag does not inflate, oxygen is flowing to the mask.If you are travelling with a child or someone who requires assistance, secure your own mask first, and then assist the other person. Keep your mask on until a uniformed crew member advises you to remove it.
I agree that BB does multitasking significantly better than the competition. I disagree that it is rivaled by Android's approach to multitasking. I don't think it even comes close.
That argument's been around for years. It hasn't improved with age. Becoming a me-too player in a crowded market while simultaneously cutting off the few remaining advantages you have over the competition does not sound like a recipe for success!
Less obvious, but still important, Android kinda sucks. The development tools suck, multitasking sucks, the UI is a mess, etc. The only reason that it's the dominant player is that it's cheap and far more open than other offerings.
It was pretty obvious that Android will win in the short term -- but it will fall, and fall quickly, to any OS that's at least as open and cheap with better dev tools and UI.
Is it because you have no logical arguments against the possibility of strong AI?
I have plenty, at least against computationalism. I've found that it's a waste of time trying to explain it to slashdotters who are apparently unwilling to do the reading necessary to understand it.
Nor should it be necessary! Do I need to tear down logical positivism and every other dead idea that some yahoo decides to push? It's not worth the effort. Just tell 'em it's dead and let them do the reading.
So, I'll tell you, go do some reading. Computationalism is dead. It's been dead for ages. If you didn't know that it was dead, chances are you don't know enough about the problem to be able to save it with whatever ad-hoc justification you make up to hang on to that outdated belief.
So what will it be? Are you off to hit the books or are you going to hold steadfast to your unjustified and indefensible beliefs?
How is it inferior? Oh, it doesn't have as many apps. Well, unless you count the tons of Android apps that it'll run (10.2 brings Android 4.2 compatibility).
The only feature we've talked about is the browser, which is *objectively* better than the competition. I wouldn't call that inferior.
We could talk about subjective things like the UI, but that won't get us anywhere as you're unwilling to use the OS yourself long enough to develop an informed opinion. (There are some other issues that Android users need to deal with that BB10 users do not, but you'll just rationalize those away like iOS users did over copy/paste, multitasking, etc.)
We could go over technical details about the OS, but that obviously wouldn't work in your favor, so I doubt that interests you.
Looks like you're just bashing someone else's preference for the hell of it, That sounds like trolling to me.
Axiom 1: An interaction is instantaneous, i.e., it lasts for an infinitely small amount of time. Axiom 2: An elementary particle only exists in the observable universe at the moment of its interaction.
For whatever reason, this puts me in mind of Whitehead's process ontology
If people so high would have taken the time to learn why these thoughts and tools came to be instead merely how to use them, human understanding could be centuries more advanced. Instead we have to reinvent and rediscover ancient issues over and over with new tools designed to solve different problems in ways that require different efficiencies.
Unless you believe in souls. Do you believe in souls?
Ah, there it is. "I can only think of these two possibilities. That must mean those are the only two! I reject one, therefore, the other one. I'm a genius!"
I can't help you. You don't even want help. I feel sorry for you.
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Conspiracy time. Okay.
So ... what would convince you? A few independent reproductions? Those could be faked the same way!
Apple admitting that the hack works? Just PR to save face / get people to stop talking about it. It's really super secure like they said earlier!
Trying the hack yourself? Perhaps you're in on the conspiracy as well -- and you don't even know it!
That's "latex milk", which is not the same as milk and latex.
The article also suggests that they used white wood glue, which people are more likely to have around the house. (Adding a bit of glycerin to the glue seems to be an optional step.)
with a slow, buggy OS slapped on it
Haha!
No.
Differentiating via OS doesn't work, that's not opinion
Tell that to Apple...
This simply tells me you haven't even seen either Blackberry's latest OS or Android since version 4.
My first BB was a 7290, my current phone is a Z10. (While I'm a long-time user, I'm no die-hard, I'll happily give up my BB if something better comes along.) My wife and a few of my friends are Android fans and I've done some Android development. I'd like to think that I have a reasonable, if admittedly limited, familiarity with Android.
Blackberry have even gone as far to copy common icons such as the 3 dots for menus and so forth. Many other UI elements are exact copies of Android.
You're not very familiar with BlackBerry are you? From their gesture suite to their approach to multitasking, BB10 is about as close to Android as Android is to Windows 3.1. Given your list of similarities, you might as well claim that my car is just like a bicycle because the wheels on both are round. Or, for a better analogy, that Ubuntu Linux, Windows, and MacOS are all identical because the close icon is a little 'X' along with a host of other similar icons 'copied' from Windows 95.
They're rather dramatically different. I honestly don't see how you can claim that they're similar at all.
Sure it's very different under the hood but that's not what I'm talking about here because that's not what users see, I'm talking about the fact the UI is a poor clone of vanilla Android 4 with a few ideas stolen from iOS too.
You couldn't possibly be more wrong. If they stole from anyone, it would be Palm. I've see many, and even made my own, comparisons to WebOS as far back as PlayBook OS. You'd be the first I've seen suggest that BB10 is anything like Android. Probably because BB10 is absolutely nothing like Android.
Have you even used PBOS or BB10?
The problem is that Elop wasn't the person to do it and a focus on WP8 wasn't the way to go. Both these things were done to make Nokia an easy cheap takeover for Microsoft
Wait, so you're saying that Nokia purposefully tanked itself by hiring Elop and switching to WP8 so that Microsoft could cheaply and easily take them over? That doesn't make any sense.
Android was the easiest path for it to stay a strong independent company, just like Samsung.
See my earlier post. The only company that benefited from Android was Samsung, and there's absolutely no reason to believe that it was the OS that made them successful.
Android isn't that great, and it's one of the worst mobile platforms for developers -- even BlackBerry has them beat there. (I know the meme, but a lot has changed over the past few years.)
Android is on top because it's inexpensive and open. As I said before, they will fall very quickly the instant an equally inexpensive and open platform shows up that has a better UI and/or is easier to developers.
If differentiating via OS is the key as people like you seem to think it is then why are Blackberry, Nokia, and the Firefox phones all failing?
BlackBerry is having trouble because of the 'they're dying' meme, which is only true now because everyone believed it when it wasn't true. The hardware is solid, as is the OS and UI. Those all got high-praise from even their worse detractors (like BGR). Their weak app market and the unfounded belief that they could go under at any moment were their biggest problems.
Nokia was, and still is, horribly mismanaged. Do you actually think switching to Android would have magically saved them? It sure hasn't helped Samsung's competitors!
The Firefox phone didn't fail because of the OS, it failed because it was pitifully outdated at "launch" and sold (exclusively?) through eBay. Then again, it may be too early to say that it failed. It's difficult to say that it's eve
I agree. I may have misread the parent, and I can see now that my post was a bit ambiguous.
Yes, yes I do.
So does just about everyone else.
Why is this so damn difficult for people to understand?
Both of you, stop it!
Samsung has proven what a joke the "me too" argument is
Tell that to HTC, Motorola, LG, ...
But worse, that argument looks even more stupid due to the fact that Blackberry's latest OS is very much a "me too" clone of Android
Wow, not even a little bit. The two are dramatically different in just about every respect.
The decline in value and worth of Nokia is almost unparalleled to any other tech company.
Ignoring the "unparalleled" hyperbole, for the moment, do you honestly think they'd have done better had Elop gone with Android? Nokia had made a lot of strategic mistakes long before Microsoft came calling. Do you think Elop's infamous restructuring was "just because"? It was, at the time, a necessary effort to save the ailing company.
To suggest that had they just switched to Android they'd be fine is laughably naive.
Do you really think any blind person doesn't realize how important sight is? It's pretty easy to explain,
Cool, can you help me out? I'm having an awful time understanding color. What's it like to experience that?
and trivial to demonstrate abilities that sight provides that the sightless do not have. Any blind person can be easily convinced that sight exists by performing experiments. Can you do the same with dream analysis?
Total Nonsense.
How has this assertion been demonstrated empirically?
Hell, dreams haven't been demonstrated empirically.
Don't they teach you kids anything about epistemology these days?
Is there any reason that you haven't listed any of your alleged "failures". (I suspect it's because you don't actually have any in mind and you're just repeating a silly meme.)
As for Tizen, we'll see if that's the case when it's actually released. :) My claim "the best browser on the market" remains true.
Now, your claim was that the BB10 browser "was not great" and that you "prefer firefox on android".
Do you still stand by that?
Sorry for the horrible analogy:
Oxygen and the air pressure are always being monitored. In the event of a decompression, an oxygen mask will automatically appear in front of you. To start the flow of oxygen, pull the mask towards you. Place it firmly over your nose and mouth, secure the elastic band behind your head, and breathe normally. Although the bag does not inflate, oxygen is flowing to the mask.If you are travelling with a child or someone who requires assistance, secure your own mask first, and then assist the other person. Keep your mask on until a uniformed crew member advises you to remove it.
Start with html5test and work your way around.
Routers and mainframes are nice... but which one will you find running nuclear reactors?
I'm not here to do basic research for you. Go do some reading.
I agree that BB does multitasking significantly better than the competition. I disagree that it is rivaled by Android's approach to multitasking. I don't think it even comes close.
The superintendent of schools who testified in the Scopes Monkey Trial?
I don't remember anything about him having or needing two phones.
I couldn't agree more.
Here's hoping that this bizarre trend comes to a swift and decisive end.
It's it obvious? Hale-Bopp brought closure to Heavens gate! We missed our chance.
That argument's been around for years. It hasn't improved with age. Becoming a me-too player in a crowded market while simultaneously cutting off the few remaining advantages you have over the competition does not sound like a recipe for success!
Less obvious, but still important, Android kinda sucks. The development tools suck, multitasking sucks, the UI is a mess, etc. The only reason that it's the dominant player is that it's cheap and far more open than other offerings.
It was pretty obvious that Android will win in the short term -- but it will fall, and fall quickly, to any OS that's at least as open and cheap with better dev tools and UI.
Oops, forgot this part:
Is it because you have no logical arguments against the possibility of strong AI?
I have plenty, at least against computationalism. I've found that it's a waste of time trying to explain it to slashdotters who are apparently unwilling to do the reading necessary to understand it.
Nor should it be necessary! Do I need to tear down logical positivism and every other dead idea that some yahoo decides to push? It's not worth the effort. Just tell 'em it's dead and let them do the reading.
So, I'll tell you, go do some reading. Computationalism is dead. It's been dead for ages. If you didn't know that it was dead, chances are you don't know enough about the problem to be able to save it with whatever ad-hoc justification you make up to hang on to that outdated belief.
So what will it be? Are you off to hit the books or are you going to hold steadfast to your unjustified and indefensible beliefs?
Ad hominem? Nope.
Appeal to authority? Nope.
Weasel words? Nope.
Your baloney detection kit sucks.
How is it inferior? Oh, it doesn't have as many apps. Well, unless you count the tons of Android apps that it'll run (10.2 brings Android 4.2 compatibility).
The only feature we've talked about is the browser, which is *objectively* better than the competition. I wouldn't call that inferior.
We could talk about subjective things like the UI, but that won't get us anywhere as you're unwilling to use the OS yourself long enough to develop an informed opinion. (There are some other issues that Android users need to deal with that BB10 users do not, but you'll just rationalize those away like iOS users did over copy/paste, multitasking, etc.)
We could go over technical details about the OS, but that obviously wouldn't work in your favor, so I doubt that interests you.
Looks like you're just bashing someone else's preference for the hell of it, That sounds like trolling to me.
Axiom 1: An interaction is instantaneous, i.e., it lasts for an infinitely small amount of time.
Axiom 2: An elementary particle only exists in the observable universe at the moment of its interaction.
For whatever reason, this puts me in mind of Whitehead's process ontology
What do you mean with "centuries forward"?
He's referring to this:
If people so high would have taken the time to learn why these thoughts and tools came to be instead merely how to use them, human understanding could be centuries more advanced. Instead we have to reinvent and rediscover ancient issues over and over with new tools designed to solve different problems in ways that require different efficiencies.
Unless you believe in souls. Do you believe in souls?
Ah, there it is. "I can only think of these two possibilities. That must mean those are the only two! I reject one, therefore, the other one. I'm a genius!"
I can't help you. You don't even want help. I feel sorry for you.
Did you ever stop to think that this isn't a troll?
Have you considered that the world may not be exactly as you presuppose? (In the context of this discussion, it's dramatically different.)
You're welcome to your opinion, uninformed or not, but don't mistake it for fact.