don't act like people who buy them are trendy fools tricked by "coolness"
All I asked was how multitouch made web browsing easier.
You've failed yet again to answer my very simple question. (Regarding your non-answer: touch != mutitouch)
You'd think with replies as long as yours, you could manage to address my questions.
The only reason I post so much about Apple stuff here is that there is so much assholery here on Slashdot about Apple
I agree. Most of it is from people like Node 3 -- that guy has way too much time on his hands.
don't care if people don't like Apple or their products
Apparently you do.
I don't recall ever typing so much while using the web to care enough that the keyboard isn't as good as a physical keyboard.
If you've typed even half of your most recent posts on a touch-screen keyboard then I can't argue. It apparently works for you. Congratulations, you're in a lucky minority.
How can you say so much and still not answer a simple question?
Ah there it is: You use it to copy and share files from your digital camera while on vacation.
My phone does that too. It also makes calls and fits in a pocket. But if you think that your tablet is still "more convenient" so be it. Enjoy carting that around.
I didn't butt into anyones choice. I asked a simple question regarding your post which apparently you don't have an answer for.
Why do you feel the need to defend a multi-billion dollar corporation against legitimate criticism considering that it is, by any measure, doing rather well?
t's even easier than that for the iPad: Just use any bluetooth keyboard
Great, so you get a stand and a bluetooth keyboard and now your tablet becomes...... an expensive yet drastically underpowered netbook, broken into three pieces, and requires two chargers.
Um, and where is that repair shop going to get the nearly 100% CUSTOM components to effect said "repair"?
Think; then post.
Hmmm... If only there were some way to collect functional parts from damaged units or some marketplace that allowed the sale of nonfunctional equipment and harvested parts.
Well, since no such sites exist, I guess you're right.
Speaking of which, did you notice that the iPad 2 DID have double the RAM?
It has a rather underwhelming 512mb or RAM -- I still don't think Apple has officially released that rather embarrassing spec.
I'm pretty sure that the iPad 3 WILL have more display resolution
That's what everyone was saying about the iPad 2. You know, before we were told that specs don't matter.
and because of multitasking
Someday iOS will multitask as well as windows 3.1 -- I don't know that anyone would consider what it does now "multitasking".
But without the GPU and memory bandwidth to back it up, it ends up being a DISadvantage. Nice going, Motorola! Stick to cellphones
The XOOM has it's share of problems -- but that fact does not make the iPad 2 any less of a disappointment. I know that Steve told us that the specs don't matter (with the iPad 2's specs so low, it's no surprise) and that the ever nebulous "experience" is what matters most -- but iOS is showing serious signs of age. The "experience" users get is of using an antiquated OS.
Android has a few warts, but they'll get ironed out in time as the OS matures. I doubt that Apple is going to offer any serious UI improvements in the next release of iOS -- leaving it's users even further behind the curve.
If you're interested in what a modern tablet OS looks like check out RIMs PlayBook. It'll be out in a few weeks and really puts other tablet offerings to shame in terms of UI and overall "experience". Apple had better take notice -- other tablet manufactures certainly will.
Had they bought an Android tablet, would you have derided them for not having a "genuine need" for one
Why not? I certainly would. Tablets are still useless for anything other than dicking-around. They're toys -- not tools.
While there are uses for portable/handheld computers, other devices much better suited to specific tasks have long existed. 10 years ago I worked on a project that coupled a barcode scanner with an ipaq for warehouse use -- what that seems antiquated now, it's still better fit (lighter and tougher) than a 10" tablet. Telxon has a number of handheld products for remote data collection which a tablet computer would be a much worse fit.
If you can find a need (not a want) that is best filled by iPad-style tablets, then feel free to share. A good number of other slashdot users are legitimately interested.
Btw I'm selling the following RARE swedish stamp: 67XX5768XX34XX4233 (digits hidden for security reasons). Anyone interested?
Buyer Beware! vagabond_gr (aka smstampmaster_25 on ebay) is known for selling common sms stamps claiming that they're "rare" to bilk money out of newbie Swedish sms stamp collectors.
While it's true that you won't find 67XX57 issue stamps offered on slashdot very often, they can be had for under $20 at any sms stamp collecting show in Europe. Just did some checking, and there are 3 on yahoo auctions right now.
Scammers like vagabond_gr are ruining the whole market for us true sms-philatelists and causing prices to rise for everyone!
Pre-printing envelopes with individual QR codes that you scan with your phone and then send to the central server to activate that QR code as postage would seem to be an easier solution for the consumer.
How is that an easier solution for the consumer? Rather than needing a common dumb-phone, the user would need a smartphone with a camera, QR code software, and the knowledge to put it all together.
It seems like your pre-printed QR code system would only benefit the automated machinery at the post-office.
Besides, if you were planning to go through all the trouble to pre-print codes on the envelopes, why not just add the cost of postage to the cost of the envelopes and skip the whole 'activation' bit?
Better yet, since we're printing things, why not print a whole bunch of codes on a large sheet instead of on individual envelopes? Just Image: If you perforate the sheet and add an adhesive backing, the customer need only tear off one of the "tokens" and stamp it to an inexpensive envelope.
To save some extra cash, instead of unique codes (and a monstrous computer system to keep track of them all), we could make all the "tokens" uniform. Like a picture -- We could even have more than one. For security, we could add some luminescent ink or micro-printing.
If your token pictures are interesting enough, I'll bet you'll have people buying whole sheets every time you issue a new image just to collect them. That's basically free money.
When their stuff's actually out, Apple can simply release a new OS version.
Check out some videos of the Playbook in action -- Apple would have to do one amazing OS update to match that UI and handle multitasking that well... Er, and do it in just a few weeks, as the Playbook will be out before the end of the month.:)
In fact they might already have one ready, since unlike HP and BB they don't do vaporware.
I don't know where you came up with this vaporware thing from. Is the iPad 2 vaporware because it's not out yet?
It's not like RIM missed their launch or anything; it's still on-schedule for Q1 2011.
All that aside, you've got to admit that RIM has really raised the bar. Which is all the better for iOS fans, as it'll force Apple to make an even better product to compete.
I don't think anybody at Apple is sitting up late at night worried that the normal consumer is going to root ereaders.
You're missing his point. He's saying (1) the Nook Color hardware makes for a decent tablet and (2) it sells for $250 -- Therefore, it's possible for manufactures to make and sell a tablet for $250.
I found the demo of the webOS tablet very impressive, much more impressive than what other non-Apple companies have shown in their demos
If you're a fan of the webOS interface, you should check out some videos RIM's Playbook -- It's a very impressive device. As an added bonus, it'll be out this month at a rumored price of $500.
HP and RIM have really taken the tablet UI to the next level.
Not really. It's clear that a product can be influential even before release. For example, the article reports on the influence of the unreleased iPad 2.
So, yes, I'd say that the Playbook is a real game-changer.
They have? You mean I can buy a Blackberry tablet or an HP tablet now?
I can't say much for HP -- but the Playbook will be out this month. It's a real game-changer.
do you think that market share is more important to a publicly traded company than profit?
That misses the point entirely, doesn't it? You were talking in terms of market share, not profit, when you said "It took the competition 3 years before they couldn't really start to challenge the iphone." Which, of course, doesn't really hold up in light of the data.
competitors are designing to the original ipad, and maybe the ipad2 if they are lucky.
HP and RIM seem to be doing more innovating than imitating. They've already surpassed the iPad in terms of the UI. Check them out -- they can't honestly be called iPad clones.
It took the competition 3 years before they couldn't really start to challenge the iphone.
I thought Apple went from second to third-place in the US smartphone market?
First movers have the advantage you can shift target goals easier.
Apple was years late in the smartphone game. I guess that's why they haven't really been able to challenge early leaders like RIM.
Sure, devices like Apple's iPhone 4 are technically superior to the RIM's Torch -- but you can't judge these things on specs alone. In this post-PC world, it's the overall experience that ultimately wins out. That's what RIM gives you that Apple just doesn't "get". RIM makes phones that "just work".
It's quite a surprise, but Android managed what Apple couldn't: best RIM in the US smartphone market. Interestingly, Android's gains seem to be at RIM's expense. (This is likely due to RIM's "disappointing" 2010 lineup.)
Anyhow, to keep this on topic: If Samsung is rethinking their tablets in light of the prosaic upgrade to the iPad, wait until they see the Playbook (it's absolutely astonishing). With competition like this, Android tablets are going to be pushing new boundaries by years end. If Apple keeps with it's "giant iPod Touch" approach to tablets, they're going to get left in the dust.
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So you're saying that you can't name a single job for which a tablet is better suited than other devices.
don't act like people who buy them are trendy fools tricked by "coolness"
All I asked was how multitouch made web browsing easier.
You've failed yet again to answer my very simple question. (Regarding your non-answer: touch != mutitouch)
You'd think with replies as long as yours, you could manage to address my questions.
The only reason I post so much about Apple stuff here is that there is so much assholery here on Slashdot about Apple
I agree. Most of it is from people like Node 3 -- that guy has way too much time on his hands.
don't care if people don't like Apple or their products
Apparently you do.
I don't recall ever typing so much while using the web to care enough that the keyboard isn't as good as a physical keyboard.
If you've typed even half of your most recent posts on a touch-screen keyboard then I can't argue. It apparently works for you. Congratulations, you're in a lucky minority.
How can you say so much and still not answer a simple question?
Ah there it is: You use it to copy and share files from your digital camera while on vacation.
My phone does that too. It also makes calls and fits in a pocket. But if you think that your tablet is still "more convenient" so be it. Enjoy carting that around.
Why butt yourself into other people's choices?
I didn't butt into anyones choice. I asked a simple question regarding your post which apparently you don't have an answer for.
Why do you feel the need to defend a multi-billion dollar corporation against legitimate criticism considering that it is, by any measure, doing rather well?
t's even easier than that for the iPad: Just use any bluetooth keyboard
Great, so you get a stand and a bluetooth keyboard and now your tablet becomes ... ... an expensive yet drastically underpowered netbook, broken into three pieces, and requires two chargers.
Tablets are the future?
Um, and where is that repair shop going to get the nearly 100% CUSTOM components to effect said "repair"?
Think; then post.
Hmmm... If only there were some way to collect functional parts from damaged units or some marketplace that allowed the sale of nonfunctional equipment and harvested parts.
Well, since no such sites exist, I guess you're right.
Think; then post.
Because he's not an irrational Apple hater, and doesn't mind buying the best tool for the job?
And which job is that?
Uh, maybe the 65,000 iPad-specific "jobs" that are available on the App Store?
The claim was that the iPad is "the best tool for the job".
I call bullshit on your rhetoric. Name ONE job for which the iPad is "the best tool".
I'm not so sure that iOS actually HAS a virtual-memory provision.
According to the internet, it doesn't. A shame, as it could use it -- you know, so Safari wouldn't silently drop your tabs.
Speaking of which, did you notice that the iPad 2 DID have double the RAM?
It has a rather underwhelming 512mb or RAM -- I still don't think Apple has officially released that rather embarrassing spec.
I'm pretty sure that the iPad 3 WILL have more display resolution
That's what everyone was saying about the iPad 2. You know, before we were told that specs don't matter.
and because of multitasking
Someday iOS will multitask as well as windows 3.1 -- I don't know that anyone would consider what it does now "multitasking".
But without the GPU and memory bandwidth to back it up, it ends up being a DISadvantage. Nice going, Motorola! Stick to cellphones
The XOOM has it's share of problems -- but that fact does not make the iPad 2 any less of a disappointment. I know that Steve told us that the specs don't matter (with the iPad 2's specs so low, it's no surprise) and that the ever nebulous "experience" is what matters most -- but iOS is showing serious signs of age. The "experience" users get is of using an antiquated OS.
Android has a few warts, but they'll get ironed out in time as the OS matures. I doubt that Apple is going to offer any serious UI improvements in the next release of iOS -- leaving it's users even further behind the curve.
If you're interested in what a modern tablet OS looks like check out RIMs PlayBook. It'll be out in a few weeks and really puts other tablet offerings to shame in terms of UI and overall "experience". Apple had better take notice -- other tablet manufactures certainly will.
Had they bought an Android tablet, would you have derided them for not having a "genuine need" for one
Why not? I certainly would. Tablets are still useless for anything other than dicking-around. They're toys -- not tools.
While there are uses for portable/handheld computers, other devices much better suited to specific tasks have long existed. 10 years ago I worked on a project that coupled a barcode scanner with an ipaq for warehouse use -- what that seems antiquated now, it's still better fit (lighter and tougher) than a 10" tablet. Telxon has a number of handheld products for remote data collection which a tablet computer would be a much worse fit.
If you can find a need (not a want) that is best filled by iPad-style tablets, then feel free to share. A good number of other slashdot users are legitimately interested.
Even web browsing is better in multitouch.
What does multitouch bring to web browsing? That is, how does multitouch make web browsing "better"?
I doubt that your tablet would let you maintain the same level of Apple shilling you do on Slashdot -- touchscreen keyboards are horrible.
fondle slab
Thanks for helping to keep this one alive :)
Because he's not an irrational Apple hater, and doesn't mind buying the best tool for the job?
What job, exactly, is the iPad the best tool for?
Btw I'm selling the following RARE swedish stamp:
67XX5768XX34XX4233 (digits hidden for security reasons).
Anyone interested?
Buyer Beware! vagabond_gr (aka smstampmaster_25 on ebay) is known for selling common sms stamps claiming that they're "rare" to bilk money out of newbie Swedish sms stamp collectors.
While it's true that you won't find 67XX57 issue stamps offered on slashdot very often, they can be had for under $20 at any sms stamp collecting show in Europe. Just did some checking, and there are 3 on yahoo auctions right now.
Scammers like vagabond_gr are ruining the whole market for us true sms-philatelists and causing prices to rise for everyone!
Pre-printing envelopes with individual QR codes that you scan with your phone and then send to the central server to activate that QR code as postage would seem to be an easier solution for the consumer.
How is that an easier solution for the consumer? Rather than needing a common dumb-phone, the user would need a smartphone with a camera, QR code software, and the knowledge to put it all together.
It seems like your pre-printed QR code system would only benefit the automated machinery at the post-office.
Besides, if you were planning to go through all the trouble to pre-print codes on the envelopes, why not just add the cost of postage to the cost of the envelopes and skip the whole 'activation' bit?
Better yet, since we're printing things, why not print a whole bunch of codes on a large sheet instead of on individual envelopes? Just Image: If you perforate the sheet and add an adhesive backing, the customer need only tear off one of the "tokens" and stamp it to an inexpensive envelope.
To save some extra cash, instead of unique codes (and a monstrous computer system to keep track of them all), we could make all the "tokens" uniform. Like a picture -- We could even have more than one. For security, we could add some luminescent ink or micro-printing.
If your token pictures are interesting enough, I'll bet you'll have people buying whole sheets every time you issue a new image just to collect them. That's basically free money.
Yes, I think that's a much better idea.
When their stuff's actually out, Apple can simply release a new OS version.
Check out some videos of the Playbook in action -- Apple would have to do one amazing OS update to match that UI and handle multitasking that well ... Er, and do it in just a few weeks, as the Playbook will be out before the end of the month. :)
In fact they might already have one ready, since unlike HP and BB they don't do vaporware.
I don't know where you came up with this vaporware thing from. Is the iPad 2 vaporware because it's not out yet?
It's not like RIM missed their launch or anything; it's still on-schedule for Q1 2011.
All that aside, you've got to admit that RIM has really raised the bar. Which is all the better for iOS fans, as it'll force Apple to make an even better product to compete.
I don't think anybody at Apple is sitting up late at night worried that the normal consumer is going to root ereaders.
You're missing his point. He's saying (1) the Nook Color hardware makes for a decent tablet and (2) it sells for $250 -- Therefore, it's possible for manufactures to make and sell a tablet for $250.
Even Droid is barely keeping up with iPhones
Android is doing really well against iOS in the US smartphone arena. After months of steady growth they have surpassed RIM for the #1 spot, leaving Apple in third-place.
If you're curious to see how the Android market breaks down by manufacturer, check out the lastest Nielsen report
I found the demo of the webOS tablet very impressive, much more impressive than what other non-Apple companies have shown in their demos
If you're a fan of the webOS interface, you should check out some videos RIM's Playbook -- It's a very impressive device. As an added bonus, it'll be out this month at a rumored price of $500.
HP and RIM have really taken the tablet UI to the next level.
You see a slight problem with the tense their?
Not really. It's clear that a product can be influential even before release. For example, the article reports on the influence of the unreleased iPad 2.
So, yes, I'd say that the Playbook is a real game-changer.
They have? You mean I can buy a Blackberry tablet or an HP tablet now?
I can't say much for HP -- but the Playbook will be out this month. It's a real game-changer.
do you think that market share is more important to a publicly traded company than profit?
That misses the point entirely, doesn't it? You were talking in terms of market share, not profit, when you said "It took the competition 3 years before they couldn't really start to challenge the iphone." Which, of course, doesn't really hold up in light of the data.
competitors are designing to the original ipad, and maybe the ipad2 if they are lucky.
HP and RIM seem to be doing more innovating than imitating. They've already surpassed the iPad in terms of the UI. Check them out -- they can't honestly be called iPad clones.
It took the competition 3 years before they couldn't really start to challenge the iphone.
I thought Apple went from second to third-place in the US smartphone market?
First movers have the advantage you can shift target goals easier.
Apple was years late in the smartphone game. I guess that's why they haven't really been able to challenge early leaders like RIM.
Sure, devices like Apple's iPhone 4 are technically superior to the RIM's Torch -- but you can't judge these things on specs alone. In this post-PC world, it's the overall experience that ultimately wins out. That's what RIM gives you that Apple just doesn't "get". RIM makes phones that "just work".
And since Android has now surpassed Apple on smartphones
The really big news is that Android has now surpassed RIM.
This is in line with last weeks Nielsen report.
It's quite a surprise, but Android managed what Apple couldn't: best RIM in the US smartphone market. Interestingly, Android's gains seem to be at RIM's expense. (This is likely due to RIM's "disappointing" 2010 lineup.)
Anyhow, to keep this on topic: If Samsung is rethinking their tablets in light of the prosaic upgrade to the iPad, wait until they see the Playbook (it's absolutely astonishing). With competition like this, Android tablets are going to be pushing new boundaries by years end. If Apple keeps with it's "giant iPod Touch" approach to tablets, they're going to get left in the dust.
Do you know how sad and pathetic you are?
I mocked you for your gross incompetence almost five days ago -- and you're STILL bothered by it.
It's really funny -- well, to me anyhow.
You really need to get over this. I'm starting to worry that this exchange has caused you permanent psychological damage.
You should probably see a psychiatrist. I Just hope that he doesn't ALSO mock you for being pathetic and incompetent.
I want an apologize for calling me a liar.
I want an apologize for calling me incompetent.
Good luck with that.
I don't apologize to incompetent liars.