So this atom walks into a bar, right? And he's looking kinda sad -- so the bartender says to this atom "hey, buddy, why so down?" and the atom goes "sigh... I lost an electron..." The bartender looks at a couple electrons flying around him and just can't get a good count so he says to the atom "Are you sure?" and the atom goes "yeah, I'm positive"
Sure bees probably evolved over time to their present state, but even the process of evolution takes a level of intelligence not possible to random chance.
Could you explain further? I honestly don't understand.
What kind of metal? I'd be too worried about oxidation. Better to use a heat-resistant plastic punch-tape. It doesn't have a very high capacity, but when push comes to shove you'll be able to read your data -- manually! You'll have store a description of the encoding system in human readable form (perhaps etched into the side of a stone storage cabinet?) so that it doesn't become unreadable when a system other than unicode or ascii becomes the standard.
If macroevolution and intelligent design are two different theories addressing the same question (the origin of the universe), then how can one be religion and the other not?
"Macroevolution" does not address the origin of the universe. That said, "macroevolution" and ID do not address the same issue.
How is ID religious? ID states that life is too ordered to have come about naturally and therefore must have been designed. e.g. ID says that God Did It. This is obviously religion. (Doesn't have to be god could be Space aliens, blah, blah blah, who created the aliens?, blah, blah, God, blah. God always was so no need to create him blah, blah, blah. Tired old obvious arguments.)
We cannot test ID. ID is not falsifiable. ID is NOT science.
Evolution, on the otherhand, is a theory that was created to explain certain observations. That is to say, evolution is a theory that explains the data. The new data that we've found fits the theory well. Predictions made using the theory have further reinforced the theory rather than detract from it. We've been able to observe evolution and even identify some of the mechanisms of evolution. Also, when evolution no longer explains the data (a possibility) evolution will be thrown out in favor of a theory that explains the data. Evolution is observable, testable, and falsifiable. That is, evolution is science.
On a related note, I've yet to see any pro-ID material that does anything other than try to show evolution to be wrong (which none of it actually has). Why do proponents of ID attack evolution and not simply try to show that ID can stand on its own merits?
In addition, proponents of ID have been making the argument that evolution is religious (although it's not) and that if evolution is religious and taught in schools, then ID should also be taught in schools. The flaw here is that if evolution is religious then it shouldn't be taught in schools -- lest it open a door for other religious materials-- And no, evolution is not religious. The statement you make above (replacing ID in the grandparent posters comments with evolution) may look pretty, but it's obviously invalid.
That's the sort of power that only a monopolist can wield.
First the anti-semites claiming the Jews control Hollywood and these anti-ID zealots claiming Christians control the U.S. Gov't. -- Now the anti-monopolists claiming Microsofts control the desktop OS market. Monopolism is just as valid as any other religion!
If MS did something like that you'd see every nation in the world move *away* from MS software to avoid the same problem. We'd see a nearly immediate move to open standards, standards compliance, and open source.
Isn't silencing people and not allowing them to teach about something (whether it is right or wrong) unconstitutional?
No one is "silencing" anyone here. All that was established is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID in public schools. Private schools can teach ID all they want.
Also, "hate material", "porography", "terrorist", "free thought", and "free speach" have not been banned. Feel free to teach/show these things in your private club, place of worship, home, etc.
You need to be careful who you get your information from. The following quotes form the article you linked contain incorrect information:
Comes now Darwin's turn. In his 1859 "The Origin of Species" and other works, Darwin posited his thesis that man is not the work of any Creator, but a being that evolved from lower forms of life out of the primordial ooze. ...
For generations, scientists have searched for the "missing link" between ape and man. But not only is that link still missing, no links between species have been found. ... Where are the "half-bats" with no sonar or unworkable wings?
Their absence does not prove - but does suggest - that they do not exist.
I stopped reading the article at this point. I'm certain there are many more errors beside the ones I've listed. (Note: I found more in the exerpt I read, but didn't mention them). Mr. Buchanans ignorance on the subject of evolution is astounding.
He also compares Charles Darwin to Karl Marx in an obvious attempt to negatively portray Charles Darwin and his ideas.
Why can't people be happy with the following being said at the beginning of the section on evolution?
Because it doesn't need to be said and therefore should not be said. The religious education of a child is the responsibility of that childs' parents/guardians and/or the childs' clergy. If you want your child to learn about "intelligent design", or any other religious teaching, you should explain the ideas yourself or have a member of your religious group handle the task.
I don't see why various religious groups feel the need to push the responsibility of a childs religious education on public schools.
Horray! Two invincible armies can fight all they want and nobody dies -- they'll eventually realize the futility of war...and stop. Now religious zealots will finally keep their fighting to bars and sports events where, as all Irishmen know, they belong!
I've been waiting for native SVG support for a long time. When you had mentioned that it worked in FireFox 1.5+ I immediately went to http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/svgtest.ht ml to see if it worked. Sadly, it did not. Am I doing something incorrectly?
Rockefeller, kept a personal army, and murdered any worker that refused to work, participated in a strike, or said anything else he didn't like. Henry Ford did the same, as did a hundred other "good samaritans"
How about a link or reference? That's an awful strong claim to make without any evidence to support it. -- How about some of those FACTS you were talking about?
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I agree. F-Prot is one of the best AV programs I've ever had the pleasure of using.
So this atom walks into a bar, right? And he's looking kinda sad -- so the bartender says to this atom "hey, buddy, why so down?" and the atom goes "sigh... I lost an electron..." The bartender looks at a couple electrons flying around him and just can't get a good count so he says to the atom "Are you sure?" and the atom goes "yeah, I'm positive"
Could you explain further? I honestly don't understand.
What kind of metal? I'd be too worried about oxidation. Better to use a heat-resistant plastic punch-tape. It doesn't have a very high capacity, but when push comes to shove you'll be able to read your data -- manually! You'll have store a description of the encoding system in human readable form (perhaps etched into the side of a stone storage cabinet?) so that it doesn't become unreadable when a system other than unicode or ascii becomes the standard.
Save Gas -> Get a smaller car. My Geo Metro has 1.0L displacement (3 cyl engine). I fill up (usually between 6-7 gal.) about once every 2 weeks.
Awesome! When are we off the apple store?
"Macroevolution" does not address the origin of the universe. That said, "macroevolution" and ID do not address the same issue.
How is ID religious? ID states that life is too ordered to have come about naturally and therefore must have been designed. e.g. ID says that God Did It. This is obviously religion. (Doesn't have to be god could be Space aliens, blah, blah blah, who created the aliens?, blah, blah, God, blah. God always was so no need to create him blah, blah, blah. Tired old obvious arguments.)
We cannot test ID. ID is not falsifiable. ID is NOT science.
Evolution, on the otherhand, is a theory that was created to explain certain observations. That is to say, evolution is a theory that explains the data. The new data that we've found fits the theory well. Predictions made using the theory have further reinforced the theory rather than detract from it. We've been able to observe evolution and even identify some of the mechanisms of evolution. Also, when evolution no longer explains the data (a possibility) evolution will be thrown out in favor of a theory that explains the data. Evolution is observable, testable, and falsifiable. That is, evolution is science.
On a related note, I've yet to see any pro-ID material that does anything other than try to show evolution to be wrong (which none of it actually has). Why do proponents of ID attack evolution and not simply try to show that ID can stand on its own merits?
In addition, proponents of ID have been making the argument that evolution is religious (although it's not) and that if evolution is religious and taught in schools, then ID should also be taught in schools. The flaw here is that if evolution is religious then it shouldn't be taught in schools -- lest it open a door for other religious materials-- And no, evolution is not religious. The statement you make above (replacing ID in the grandparent posters comments with evolution) may look pretty, but it's obviously invalid.
For those who don't know:
The storys the poster is refering to can be found in the book Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!
(A Few Excerpts from the text)
Math Magic http://www.craigr.com/books/surely.htm
Education in Brazil (my favorite) http://www.wallaceinfo.com/feynman.asp
There is also a sequel What Do You Care What Other People Think?
They STILL have problems with the FireFox name -- I hear people call it 'FoxFire' all the time... It makes me crazy!
It didn't stand a chance for mass adoption: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
First the anti-semites claiming the Jews control Hollywood and these anti-ID zealots claiming Christians control the U.S. Gov't. -- Now the anti-monopolists claiming Microsofts control the desktop OS market. Monopolism is just as valid as any other religion!
Oh, wait...
This troll is particularly funny if you consider Lord Byrons' daughter was spending an awful lot of time with Charles Babbage.
If MS did something like that you'd see every nation in the world move *away* from MS software to avoid the same problem. We'd see a nearly immediate move to open standards, standards compliance, and open source.
No one is "silencing" anyone here. All that was established is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID in public schools. Private schools can teach ID all they want.
Also, "hate material", "porography", "terrorist", "free thought", and "free speach" have not been banned. Feel free to teach/show these things in your private club, place of worship, home, etc.
I stopped reading the article at this point. I'm certain there are many more errors beside the ones I've listed. (Note: I found more in the exerpt I read, but didn't mention them). Mr. Buchanans ignorance on the subject of evolution is astounding.
He also compares Charles Darwin to Karl Marx in an obvious attempt to negatively portray Charles Darwin and his ideas.
Because it doesn't need to be said and therefore should not be said. The religious education of a child is the responsibility of that childs' parents/guardians and/or the childs' clergy. If you want your child to learn about "intelligent design", or any other religious teaching, you should explain the ideas yourself or have a member of your religious group handle the task.
I don't see why various religious groups feel the need to push the responsibility of a childs religious education on public schools.
They must be trying to VEIL their EVIL intent...
I still think "anal log hole" is funnier... [-1 troll]
BPL is bad for HAM. Shame on Texas!
(Tons of reference Links)
http://www.w4ovh.net/bplinfo.htm
(Other Links)
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BPLandHamRadio/
Horray! Two invincible armies can fight all they want and nobody dies -- they'll eventually realize the futility of war...and stop. Now religious zealots will finally keep their fighting to bars and sports events where, as all Irishmen know, they belong!
For those not in the know...
i esMember.html
http://forcedtoshower.tripod.com/cgi-bin/DavidBow
The MOD Squad has been angry lately -- apparently mod points are only granted to those who get seasonal depression.
Mods: Where is your Christmas Spirit?!
I've been waiting for native SVG support for a long time. When you had mentioned that it worked in FireFox 1.5+ I immediately went to http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/svgtest.ht ml to see if it worked. Sadly, it did not. Am I doing something incorrectly?
How about a link or reference? That's an awful strong claim to make without any evidence to support it. -- How about some of those FACTS you were talking about?
Wow, a FP without even trying!
Incidently, they are printing wikipedia