Would you call someone a car enthusiast because he drives his toyota corolla to work every day?
No, I'd call him a driver. Think: "A person who drives is a driver."
To continue: A person who dives is a diver. A person who dines is a diner. A person who runs is a runner. A person who calls is a caller.
We can all agree with that. Why is there contention when we say that a person who games is a gamer?
The term gamer is associated with gaming enthusiasts, as it should be.
As it should be? No. I'll agree that the term carries with it additional connotations, particularly where video games are concerned. It is, however, important to note that those additional connotations are decidedly negative!
See, when the simple term was corrupted, self-described "gamers" rallied to redefine the term; stripping out the negative bits and emphasizing what they considered the positives.
To now abandon the original meaning (simply, one who games) further corrupts the term. If the "gamer" communities' goal was to shake off the negative connotations attached to the term, then their better off sticking to the uncorrupted use of the word -- not further corrupting it! It does little more than further isolate "gamers", allowing additional negative stereotypes to arise.
The problem with this argument is that it waters the definition down to the distinction without a difference level in order to justify (very poorly) feminist incursions into the gaming sphere.
Oh, you're one of those. Never mind, you can't reason with an MRA.
It doesn't surprise me in the least. Kids today don't care about learning details, they just go straight to the first library or framework that promises to hide such "arcane" details from them.
They'll put C on their resume because they used C++ in an intro class. zieroh's test seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Don't underestimate the dedication of the members of your local Wii Bowling League. They've been retired for years, and have nothing else upon which to focus their attention.
Who hasn't seen an elderly woman truly distressed when she can't play her pogo games due to some technical problem?
I was talking to a woman last week who is still upset that Yahoo! dropped the Mahjong Solitaire game she liked months ago. (I provided her with many alternatives, but she insists that they're not as fun.)
They have free time. More time than even school-aged children. Their lives revolve around games in a way that the most pathetic WoW addict can only dream about. They set their schedules around their Farmville crops with more consideration than the saddest Otaku does for his Love Plus girlfriend.
They're hardcore. Those of you who think the term 'hardcore gamer' describes an important part of your identity don't even come close. Of course, they'll never describe themselves that way. Games are what they do, without question, but they don't let that define them. (They'd find it rather sad and pathetic.)
You are attempting to compare very different things which either indicates a lack of understanding or a pretended one in some sort of attempt to decieve the gullible for political purposes.
Or, you know, he's making an analogy.
I'm guessing your "Jump to Conclusions" mat doesn't have a "Benefit of the doubt" square?
A lot of people don't the difference between a scientific hypothesis and a scientific theory.
Including an astonishing number of people who complain that "a lot of people don't know the difference between a scientific hypothesis and a scientific theory."
Given that the few *actual* complaints about it (not empty 'it sucks' rhetoric) seem to be simple misunderstandings about the language (this, classes, etc.) I'm willing to bet that the problem is the user, not the language.
Really, it's not complicated. It's really very simple. It's different, yes, but far simpler than other, less sophisticated, languages. Take a few days to learn and understand the language. You'll be impressed. It's remarkably well-designed.
Even going with a simple Scheme implementation, like every undergraduate Comp Sci student will develop at one point or another, would have been better than JavaScript.
He wanted to do exactly that. Then someone at Netscape found out what Scheme was and put the kibosh on that plan. (Learn a little history, kid.)
In a way, we were really lucky. What we got was MUCH better. It's a rotten shame so few people here have actually taken the time to learn the language. It's really quite good. The "bad parts", interestingly enough, are the bits Eich was told to include to make it look more like Java (new, constructor functions, etc.)
It's perhaps the worst thing ever to have happened to the computing industry, the worst thing to have happened to the Web
There's a good chance that, without JavaScript, the web would have vanished. You probably don't remember all the hype surrounding the "x internet" back in the early 2000's, but the web was on it's way out. If not for JavaScript (and XHR) the web would likely have been replaced by some other set of technologies.
This will, in fact, increase a prepper's social status since they can a) not be a burden on others in a group b) help others in a group and c) be viewed as intelligent, forward thinking, etc.
"Just wait until the world as we know it ends! Then they'll HAVE to like me! And, my boss, he'll need to listen to ME for a change!"
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Are you sure this time? :)
Take it easy. I don't know what SuperKendall did to you in the past. I know he's irritated me before, so I understand, but it's time to let it go.
Trust me. You'll feel so much better.
Would you call someone a car enthusiast because he drives his toyota corolla to work every day?
No, I'd call him a driver. Think: "A person who drives is a driver."
To continue: A person who dives is a diver. A person who dines is a diner. A person who runs is a runner. A person who calls is a caller.
We can all agree with that. Why is there contention when we say that a person who games is a gamer?
The term gamer is associated with gaming enthusiasts, as it should be.
As it should be? No. I'll agree that the term carries with it additional connotations, particularly where video games are concerned. It is, however, important to note that those additional connotations are decidedly negative!
See, when the simple term was corrupted, self-described "gamers" rallied to redefine the term; stripping out the negative bits and emphasizing what they considered the positives.
To now abandon the original meaning (simply, one who games) further corrupts the term. If the "gamer" communities' goal was to shake off the negative connotations attached to the term, then their better off sticking to the uncorrupted use of the word -- not further corrupting it! It does little more than further isolate "gamers", allowing additional negative stereotypes to arise.
The problem with this argument is that it waters the definition down to the distinction without a difference level in order to justify (very poorly) feminist incursions into the gaming sphere.
Oh, you're one of those. Never mind, you can't reason with an MRA.
An allergic reaction to good languages?
Not at all. We're talking about Python here.
It doesn't surprise me in the least. Kids today don't care about learning details, they just go straight to the first library or framework that promises to hide such "arcane" details from them.
They'll put C on their resume because they used C++ in an intro class. zieroh's test seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Yeah, I'll agree with that. I think you're simply too dazzled by the "coolness" of python to see it's many, many, terrible warts.
I tried to say Python, but I threw up instead.
As I understand it, it's not an uncommon reaction.
Someone who doesn't play games?
Seems pretty straight-forward to me.
Don't underestimate the dedication of the members of your local Wii Bowling League. They've been retired for years, and have nothing else upon which to focus their attention.
Who hasn't seen an elderly woman truly distressed when she can't play her pogo games due to some technical problem?
I was talking to a woman last week who is still upset that Yahoo! dropped the Mahjong Solitaire game she liked months ago. (I provided her with many alternatives, but she insists that they're not as fun.)
They have free time. More time than even school-aged children. Their lives revolve around games in a way that the most pathetic WoW addict can only dream about. They set their schedules around their Farmville crops with more consideration than the saddest Otaku does for his Love Plus girlfriend.
They're hardcore. Those of you who think the term 'hardcore gamer' describes an important part of your identity don't even come close. Of course, they'll never describe themselves that way. Games are what they do, without question, but they don't let that define them. (They'd find it rather sad and pathetic.)
You are attempting to compare very different things which either indicates a lack of understanding or a pretended one in some sort of attempt to decieve the gullible for political purposes.
Or, you know, he's making an analogy.
I'm guessing your "Jump to Conclusions" mat doesn't have a "Benefit of the doubt" square?
A lot of people don't the difference between a scientific hypothesis and a scientific theory.
Including an astonishing number of people who complain that "a lot of people don't know the difference between a scientific hypothesis and a scientific theory."
It's disturbing.
any fool can see temperature readings have been flat in most measured areas.
I wouldn't go so far as to say "any fool"...
Tolerating people you don't personally approve of is just the cost of living in a free society that manages to tolerate YOU.
+5
Blackberry: Gone in a year since 2010
Their demise, I presume, will coincide with the year of the Linux desktop and strong AI.
C++: Is It Really a Cruel Joke?
You're fighting a losing battle. The MRA's are impervious to facts.
Much of the internet is also openly hostile to men.
Help! Help! We're being oppressed!
I didn't think that the MRA's could get more pathetic. I guess I was wrong.
Try learning it before you use it next time.
Given that the few *actual* complaints about it (not empty 'it sucks' rhetoric) seem to be simple misunderstandings about the language (this, classes, etc.) I'm willing to bet that the problem is the user, not the language.
Really, it's not complicated. It's really very simple. It's different, yes, but far simpler than other, less sophisticated, languages. Take a few days to learn and understand the language. You'll be impressed. It's remarkably well-designed.
Even going with a simple Scheme implementation, like every undergraduate Comp Sci student will develop at one point or another, would have been better than JavaScript.
He wanted to do exactly that. Then someone at Netscape found out what Scheme was and put the kibosh on that plan. (Learn a little history, kid.)
In a way, we were really lucky. What we got was MUCH better. It's a rotten shame so few people here have actually taken the time to learn the language. It's really quite good. The "bad parts", interestingly enough, are the bits Eich was told to include to make it look more like Java (new, constructor functions, etc.)
It's perhaps the worst thing ever to have happened to the computing industry, the worst thing to have happened to the Web
There's a good chance that, without JavaScript, the web would have vanished. You probably don't remember all the hype surrounding the "x internet" back in the early 2000's, but the web was on it's way out. If not for JavaScript (and XHR) the web would likely have been replaced by some other set of technologies.
Why?
indeterminate behavior of "this"
So what you're saying is that you don't even understand the basics of the language. That's your fault.
Well, this is Slashdot so ...
You're deeply confused.
So your argument is "It offends me, so it's wrong"?
That's how things work here on Slashdot. Facts be damned, it's all about gut feelings.
This will, in fact, increase a prepper's social status since they can a) not be a burden on others in a group b) help others in a group and c) be viewed as intelligent, forward thinking, etc.
"Just wait until the world as we know it ends! Then they'll HAVE to like me! And, my boss, he'll need to listen to ME for a change!"
They just read the comments to see what the title and summary might be about.