Re:Seriously... what's with all the idiotic hate
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It's a messaging problem.
So, MS' marketroids have *somehow* failed to explain themselves coherently, or I have *somehow* managed to fail to understand *The Message*.
People don't like change.
Platitudes R us!
Hopefully the company sticks with "you'll get over it."
What a fanboi! "Resistance is useless. You will be assimilated."
What chutzpah. "The customer is always wrong 'cause we're Microsoft!"
I generally don't bother to involve myself in Microsoftian discussions (I don't care about them; I abandoned Win* ca. '93), but I sure have learned a lot from skimming this discussion. Damn, I'm glad I jumped away long ago! Eeeeeww, what a mess you poor buggers are forcing yourselves to LOVE!
Really, making a positive comment about how I believe a touch UI on Windows would help my users is somehow overrated?
Don't feel bad. ArsTechnica has a feature today detailing one of their reporters surviving a day using only their iPad, and their surprise that it was eminently do-able.
I wondered, HTF do I get a job as simplistic as that?!?
ArsTechnica!!!111 Fsck. Hell in a handbasket, I tell ya. Hell in a handbasket.
How's about we leave that up to marketing? "Our manufacturing process ensures everything we produce is recyclable!"
Marketing can say that anyway, though.
Yeah, and if they can prove it's true, more power to 'em. If not, there's false or misleading advertising laws or regulations on the books. Cue the class-action suit lawyers.
Who would be the first to put their company at a competitive disadvantage in a down economy?
How's about we leave that up to marketing? "Our manufacturing process ensures everything we produce is recyclable! We're not creating new gaping holes in the landscape, nor killing miners, to get at virgin materials like our competition."
Add selfishness to the mix. The companies that do this could get back all the recycled material cheaply, lowering their raw material procurement costs.
Carbon credits, feh! How about recycling credits?
This is not a technical problem looking for a technical solution. That's the easy part.
The result of Wikileaks/Lulzsec/Anonymous is hurting the US...
How? They're embarrassing a lot of political office holders and appointees by holding their actions up to the light of day. How does that hurt the US or its citizenry? Why shouldn't US citizens know what their elected/appointed officials have been up to? They're paying for all of it (supposedly), and a lot of them question out loud whether what they're doing is the right thing.
If you don't want to look like fools, don't do foolish things. Smiple.
If you want your voters to become disillusioned with "The American Way", by all means keep toadying up to special interests, ignoring your citizens, and run the country into the ground via back room deals.
P.S. What's the point in a metamoderation system when everybody's using overrated as their "-1, I disagree" mod?
Off topic!
Besides, what's the point of a moderation system when you get five mod points to distribute, and blow them all on the "First post!!!111"'s, MK_nnn's, psychotic chiropractors, and +5 Insightful "This!!!111" crap?
We do what we can with what we have to work with understanding that every system has limitations.
On topic: I really, really, really like the idea of overhauling the Wall Street Gambling Dens of the world to work on discrete trading time ticks, minimum one hour between trade executions. Anyone who disagrees with it isn't in it for investing in the economy. They ought to be in Las Vegas where they'd be welcomed.
Wait, wait, wait - the parent points out that there are thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians who have been killed or injured by US forces and he's modded "Troll"?!
Yeah, and you get -1 for questioning them. Huh. There's a lot of "Dumbth" in this thread so far, and I've only seen a third of the posts. "America, right or wrong!"
I do think hundreds of thousands of innocent casualties are far worse than a few thousand Wall Street Banksters (but I'll admit, I've developed a prejudice against the latter in recent years).
I'm not sure I'd blame the Iraq war on "*cough* oil *cough*", though. I blame it on Bush's arrogance, narcissism and naivete. That, and wanting to finish the job to make his pop proud of him.
OBL was a sh*thead, just as are all those who followed him (ask any *real* devout Muslim). That said, the US believing that ~3000 innocent (US based) civilians easily justifies hundreds of thousands of atrocities committed elsewhere is horrifying, to say the least.
It doesn't really matter what the poster chooses to play with. If he's sufficiently determined to learn, anything he looks at will teach him something. I looked at/played with lots of stuff, some destined to fail no matter what I did. Still educational.
Ignore zealots of all stripes. Make your own way. Have fun!
I'm not sure that a large, buggy project would be the best option for this.
Really? It could be the perfect environment, depending on the existing support for their efforts. Bugs galore? Where to start? Anywhere! Hell, it's like getting free rein in your new job at $BIGCORP. See something that's broken, take a whack at it. It's not like you'll make anything worse by trying.
I'm also a strong believer in learning from other's mistakes, not your own.
Here's an idea. Maybe/. editors should run their stuff by the other/. editors before unleashing their stuff upon the general readership. Consider it something like a code review, or quality assurance, or basic best practice.
Or, is this a cleverly devised feature of/. to pump up comments? If so, I don't think clever really comes into it.
... precious-metal-bearing meteorites struck Earth around this time, coating the planet in a veneer containing gold, platinum, and other elements long after their native counterparts had disappeared into the planet's core."
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you will), but isn't the present theory of the origin of the Earth that it was formed by meteoritic bombardment? Where would these so-called "native counterparts" have come from except from said meteors? This summary suggests all the glittery stuff came from the stragglers of the same event.
Isn't the Earth considered to be about 4 billion years old? In other words, WTF is the summary suggesting (besides a monumental lack of reading comprehension)?!?
What are "4-billion-old rocks" [sic].
[I won't bother to mention the Greenland/Iceland confusion as others are carrying that torch well already.]
A collective faceplant rang out like a thunderclap as all the under-employed geeks wondered how people like that get and retain employment.
I imagine the GPS traking data to be a very boring file comprised of the following (device id), ((ime), (GPS coords)
Unless you know who (device id) belongs to, its not going to be of much interest.
You've limited imagination. Parse the data for times and locations, look for patterns. You may learn the data shows they show up at such and such Starbucks (or their significant other's place, or their dope dealer's) at so and so time regularly. It shouldn't be difficult to figure out who it belongs to from there. They don't even need to stake it out. CCTV or simply a timely drive-by could confirm it.
As so much of what passes for police work these days appears to be little more than glorified fishing expeditions, I can see Big Brother having a field day with this if he really wanted to.
A simple, efficient idea always lasts long. the telephone was invented in the late 1870s... the internal combustion engine in the 1880s.. unix in the late 1960s:)... i don't see anyone calling these ideas stupid...
You don't? You need to get out more. Few people see the need for POTS these days (opting for cell phones instead), Electric Vehicles are all the rage (especially for the Green crowd), and how many *nix desktop machines do you see in daily use (other than late model Macs)?
The IT industry has not been able to provide a superior or even equal solution to fax yet.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again, the medical (and legal) profession(s) are the LEAST technically savvy professions out there (most likely as you've better/more lucrative things to do), SO HIRE SOME SMART GEEKS ALREADY!
Fax was stupid tech 15 - 20 years ago. Transmitting bits instead of data? Are you nuts?
Take an afternoon off from reading medical journals, ask the smartest people you can find how to find smart solutions. Drill down, get to the meat, don't fall for sales pitches from dipshits. Go outside your regular circles.
I'd love to have the chance to show a doctor or lawyer what I could do for them with smart tech. implementations. Yes, I most likely will be able to beat whatever (eg. HIPAA, CPI,...) constraints you can come up with.
I know you're busy and it looks expensive, but you need to try harder for me to prove to you that it's not. This's not rocket science. I won't look down on you while I'm doing it, honest. I'll just be fixing your broken process, so everyone wins including you, your clients/patients, your regulators,...
Why it's so difficult for you guys to accept that you don't rule in my space, I do not understand. Why would you want to even look like you're in my space?
They think that just because they are Right - which they are, no doubt about that - everyone will automatically recognize that and make decision based on what would be the best for the humanity. Sadly we live in the world of politicians, lobbies, parties, Kings and Queens. We have to recognize that and work on our appearance if we ever want to go main stream.
+5 Insightful for that?!?
You're deluded if you think any amount of spit-polishing will make you any more of Their Sort of People(tm) than you are now. If you weren't born to the right parents, went to the right schools, were nominated for membership in the right clubs/societies, etc., you stay where you are and are thankful for it. Damn, the Help can be cheeky!
Paul McCartney and Alex Ferguson can get OBEs or Knighthoods but I don't expect them to ever get invited into the real inner sanctums.
You need to read up on the caste system. Being right or better is irrelevant there.
All major AV firms now have antivirus packages for Linux (Un*x) that offer both realtime (on-access) and on-demand (hand-started) virus scan protection. They protect the Linux OS as well as the Windows people who connect to Samba, Apache etc. from the transmission of malware.
Proving there are admins out there who're highly susceptible to the marketing claims of AV vendors. BS!
I can understand if your *nix box is the SMTP Smarthost or the Samba server for a bunch of user/Win* boxes, that you'd want to try to scrub crap out of incoming stuff before passing it onto the internal LAN/WAN. However, that's got nothing to do with protecting the Smarthost or Samba server.
Good security practices are generally more than capable of protecting *nix boxes, specifically don't allow the server to be connected to except by services its expected to handle and that you've verified are secured. AV just sucks up CPU cycles, provides a false sense of security, and makes AV vendors rich.
Why is it that they don't understand the idea of having to prove wrongdoing by a website owner instead of merely asserting it?
Oh, they understand it. They just don't like it and don't want it to apply to them. They're outsourcing that responsibility to the police instead by paying politicians to criminalize it instead.
Look at it from their point of view: everyone and their dog is stealing their stuff with impunity and not paying what they should be paying, and how can anyone expect mere rights-holders to stop that by watching and suing everyone on the planet with an Internet connection?
Solution for you? Stop buying and consuming anything that comes out of them whether that consumption is provided by legal sales or piracy. Do you really need to watch everything that comes out of Disney, or listen to everything The Eagles release? Why? Boycott them completely, and get your friends to too. Crowdsourcing's all the rage, right? So do it!
I don't think it's good or that I feel like it's ok to "sell" me, but, people, if you really just noticed that now, I wonder where you've been the last 50 years.
Newspapers have been doing it for a lot longer than 50 years. The purchase price of a newspaper has been subsidized by ad revenue since almost day one.
As for Google (or anyone/anything) selling my details as simply one nameless data point within a large demographic, meh. We all aggregate data about the world around us all the time in order to function in it at all. Google just found a way to milk it better than anyone else so far.
What I do resent is those entities that're stuffing my data into RDBs, then cross referencing with other RDBs again and again until everything that's out there lines up and unequivocally points undeniably back to me. That sort of thing certainly should be illegal, or at least reserved for LEOs with a valid warrant. I'm talking about you, cookie trackers, Facebook, etc.
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It's a messaging problem.
So, MS' marketroids have *somehow* failed to explain themselves coherently, or I have *somehow* managed to fail to understand *The Message*.
People don't like change.
Platitudes R us!
Hopefully the company sticks with "you'll get over it."
What a fanboi! "Resistance is useless. You will be assimilated."
What chutzpah. "The customer is always wrong 'cause we're Microsoft!"
I generally don't bother to involve myself in Microsoftian discussions (I don't care about them; I abandoned Win* ca. '93), but I sure have learned a lot from skimming this discussion. Damn, I'm glad I jumped away long ago! Eeeeeww, what a mess you poor buggers are forcing yourselves to LOVE!
Yuck! Get me far away from here.
Are you speaking in Martian? WTF is a "prosumer"?!?
Really, making a positive comment about how I believe a touch UI on Windows would help my users is somehow overrated?
Don't feel bad. ArsTechnica has a feature today detailing one of their reporters surviving a day using only their iPad, and their surprise that it was eminently do-able.
I wondered, HTF do I get a job as simplistic as that?!?
ArsTechnica!!!111 Fsck. Hell in a handbasket, I tell ya. Hell in a handbasket.
We're really spamming the Windows 8 articles recently. Yeah no thanks, Windows 7 works just fine.
Oh, admit it. You're desperately wanting to upgrade just for the new, revamped BSOD!
In other news, Win8 still BSODs.
What's a vamp again?
How's about we leave that up to marketing? "Our manufacturing process ensures everything we produce is recyclable!"
Marketing can say that anyway, though.
Yeah, and if they can prove it's true, more power to 'em. If not, there's false or misleading advertising laws or regulations on the books. Cue the class-action suit lawyers.
Who would be the first to put their company at a competitive disadvantage in a down economy?
How's about we leave that up to marketing? "Our manufacturing process ensures everything we produce is recyclable! We're not creating new gaping holes in the landscape, nor killing miners, to get at virgin materials like our competition."
Add selfishness to the mix. The companies that do this could get back all the recycled material cheaply, lowering their raw material procurement costs.
Carbon credits, feh! How about recycling credits?
This is not a technical problem looking for a technical solution. That's the easy part.
The result of Wikileaks/Lulzsec/Anonymous is hurting the US ...
How? They're embarrassing a lot of political office holders and appointees by holding their actions up to the light of day. How does that hurt the US or its citizenry? Why shouldn't US citizens know what their elected/appointed officials have been up to? They're paying for all of it (supposedly), and a lot of them question out loud whether what they're doing is the right thing.
If you don't want to look like fools, don't do foolish things. Smiple.
If you want your voters to become disillusioned with "The American Way", by all means keep toadying up to special interests, ignoring your citizens, and run the country into the ground via back room deals.
Frankly, I wouldn't put it past 'em. "Hey boss! I just found a whole bunch of 'em posting on this Slashdot web forum!"
Considering what the TSA has been up to, it's not all that far fetched.
P.S. What's the point in a metamoderation system when everybody's using overrated as their "-1, I disagree" mod?
Off topic!
Besides, what's the point of a moderation system when you get five mod points to distribute, and blow them all on the "First post!!!111"'s, MK_nnn's, psychotic chiropractors, and +5 Insightful "This!!!111" crap?
We do what we can with what we have to work with understanding that every system has limitations.
On topic: I really, really, really like the idea of overhauling the Wall Street Gambling Dens of the world to work on discrete trading time ticks, minimum one hour between trade executions. Anyone who disagrees with it isn't in it for investing in the economy. They ought to be in Las Vegas where they'd be welcomed.
30 coal miners die each year
Deaths per terawatt hour
Crap. My mistake. Apologies, OP. :-P
In other news, 30 coal miners die each year in the U.S. alone ...
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Coal - USA: 15
You couldn't even read your own source?
Wait, wait, wait - the parent points out that there are thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians who have been killed or injured by US forces and he's modded "Troll"?!
Yeah, and you get -1 for questioning them. Huh. There's a lot of "Dumbth" in this thread so far, and I've only seen a third of the posts. "America, right or wrong!"
I do think hundreds of thousands of innocent casualties are far worse than a few thousand Wall Street Banksters (but I'll admit, I've developed a prejudice against the latter in recent years).
I'm not sure I'd blame the Iraq war on "*cough* oil *cough*", though. I blame it on Bush's arrogance, narcissism and naivete. That, and wanting to finish the job to make his pop proud of him.
OBL was a sh*thead, just as are all those who followed him (ask any *real* devout Muslim). That said, the US believing that ~3000 innocent (US based) civilians easily justifies hundreds of thousands of atrocities committed elsewhere is horrifying, to say the least.
-- Ethanol-fueled
Your .sig says a lot about you, AC.
It doesn't really matter what the poster chooses to play with. If he's sufficiently determined to learn, anything he looks at will teach him something. I looked at/played with lots of stuff, some destined to fail no matter what I did. Still educational.
Ignore zealots of all stripes. Make your own way. Have fun!
I'm not sure that a large, buggy project would be the best option for this.
Really? It could be the perfect environment, depending on the existing support for their efforts. Bugs galore? Where to start? Anywhere! Hell, it's like getting free rein in your new job at $BIGCORP. See something that's broken, take a whack at it. It's not like you'll make anything worse by trying.
I'm also a strong believer in learning from other's mistakes, not your own.
Here's an idea. Maybe /. editors should run their stuff by the other /. editors before unleashing their stuff upon the general readership. Consider it something like a code review, or quality assurance, or basic best practice.
Or, is this a cleverly devised feature of /. to pump up comments? If so, I don't think clever really comes into it.
FTS:
... precious-metal-bearing meteorites struck Earth around this time, coating the planet in a veneer containing gold, platinum, and other elements long after their native counterparts had disappeared into the planet's core."
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you will), but isn't the present theory of the origin of the Earth that it was formed by meteoritic bombardment? Where would these so-called "native counterparts" have come from except from said meteors? This summary suggests all the glittery stuff came from the stragglers of the same event.
Isn't the Earth considered to be about 4 billion years old? In other words, WTF is the summary suggesting (besides a monumental lack of reading comprehension)?!?
What are "4-billion-old rocks" [sic].
[I won't bother to mention the Greenland/Iceland confusion as others are carrying that torch well already.]
A collective faceplant rang out like a thunderclap as all the under-employed geeks wondered how people like that get and retain employment.
I imagine the GPS traking data to be a very boring file comprised of the following
(device id), ((ime), (GPS coords)
Unless you know who (device id) belongs to, its not going to be of much interest.
You've limited imagination. Parse the data for times and locations, look for patterns. You may learn the data shows they show up at such and such Starbucks (or their significant other's place, or their dope dealer's) at so and so time regularly. It shouldn't be difficult to figure out who it belongs to from there. They don't even need to stake it out. CCTV or simply a timely drive-by could confirm it.
As so much of what passes for police work these days appears to be little more than glorified fishing expeditions, I can see Big Brother having a field day with this if he really wanted to.
A simple, efficient idea always lasts long. the telephone was invented in the late 1870s... the internal combustion engine in the 1880s.. unix in the late 1960s :)... i don't see anyone calling these ideas stupid...
You don't? You need to get out more. Few people see the need for POTS these days (opting for cell phones instead), Electric Vehicles are all the rage (especially for the Green crowd), and how many *nix desktop machines do you see in daily use (other than late model Macs)?
Transmitting bits instead of data?
You stopped making sense about there..
Fine. Transmitting bits instead of information?
Happy now?
The IT industry has not been able to provide a superior or even equal solution to fax yet.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again, the medical (and legal) profession(s) are the LEAST technically savvy professions out there (most likely as you've better/more lucrative things to do), SO HIRE SOME SMART GEEKS ALREADY!
Fax was stupid tech 15 - 20 years ago. Transmitting bits instead of data? Are you nuts?
Take an afternoon off from reading medical journals, ask the smartest people you can find how to find smart solutions. Drill down, get to the meat, don't fall for sales pitches from dipshits. Go outside your regular circles.
I'd love to have the chance to show a doctor or lawyer what I could do for them with smart tech. implementations. Yes, I most likely will be able to beat whatever (eg. HIPAA, CPI, ...) constraints you can come up with.
I know you're busy and it looks expensive, but you need to try harder for me to prove to you that it's not. This's not rocket science. I won't look down on you while I'm doing it, honest. I'll just be fixing your broken process, so everyone wins including you, your clients/patients, your regulators, ...
Why it's so difficult for you guys to accept that you don't rule in my space, I do not understand. Why would you want to even look like you're in my space?
Geez, another one! Q.E.D.
They think that just because they are Right - which they are, no doubt about that - everyone will automatically recognize that and make decision based on what would be the best for the humanity. Sadly we live in the world of politicians, lobbies, parties, Kings and Queens. We have to recognize that and work on our appearance if we ever want to go main stream.
+5 Insightful for that?!?
You're deluded if you think any amount of spit-polishing will make you any more of Their Sort of People(tm) than you are now. If you weren't born to the right parents, went to the right schools, were nominated for membership in the right clubs/societies, etc., you stay where you are and are thankful for it. Damn, the Help can be cheeky!
Paul McCartney and Alex Ferguson can get OBEs or Knighthoods but I don't expect them to ever get invited into the real inner sanctums.
You need to read up on the caste system. Being right or better is irrelevant there.
All major AV firms now have antivirus packages for Linux (Un*x) that offer both realtime (on-access) and on-demand (hand-started) virus scan protection. They protect the Linux OS as well as the Windows people who connect to Samba, Apache etc. from the transmission of malware.
Proving there are admins out there who're highly susceptible to the marketing claims of AV vendors. BS!
I can understand if your *nix box is the SMTP Smarthost or the Samba server for a bunch of user/Win* boxes, that you'd want to try to scrub crap out of incoming stuff before passing it onto the internal LAN/WAN. However, that's got nothing to do with protecting the Smarthost or Samba server.
Good security practices are generally more than capable of protecting *nix boxes, specifically don't allow the server to be connected to except by services its expected to handle and that you've verified are secured. AV just sucks up CPU cycles, provides a false sense of security, and makes AV vendors rich.
Why is it that they don't understand the idea of having to prove wrongdoing by a website owner instead of merely asserting it?
Oh, they understand it. They just don't like it and don't want it to apply to them. They're outsourcing that responsibility to the police instead by paying politicians to criminalize it instead.
Look at it from their point of view: everyone and their dog is stealing their stuff with impunity and not paying what they should be paying, and how can anyone expect mere rights-holders to stop that by watching and suing everyone on the planet with an Internet connection?
Solution for you? Stop buying and consuming anything that comes out of them whether that consumption is provided by legal sales or piracy. Do you really need to watch everything that comes out of Disney, or listen to everything The Eagles release? Why? Boycott them completely, and get your friends to too. Crowdsourcing's all the rage, right? So do it!
I don't think it's good or that I feel like it's ok to "sell" me, but, people, if you really just noticed that now, I wonder where you've been the last 50 years.
Newspapers have been doing it for a lot longer than 50 years. The purchase price of a newspaper has been subsidized by ad revenue since almost day one.
As for Google (or anyone/anything) selling my details as simply one nameless data point within a large demographic, meh. We all aggregate data about the world around us all the time in order to function in it at all. Google just found a way to milk it better than anyone else so far.
What I do resent is those entities that're stuffing my data into RDBs, then cross referencing with other RDBs again and again until everything that's out there lines up and unequivocally points undeniably back to me. That sort of thing certainly should be illegal, or at least reserved for LEOs with a valid warrant. I'm talking about you, cookie trackers, Facebook, etc.