I took Art Studies and studied Jackson Pollock paint splatters, pictures of naked Barbie dolls in various locations and positions, and arrangements of elephant turds on an image of the Virgin Mary and was told they were all "Art" and thus not criticizable (only critique-able). So much for thousands of years of cultural heritage.
Art is push; not pull. If you don't get it, that's on your end; not ours. We don't much care if you get it. Expression is all it's about. If you enjoy it, yay, but that's not required. Make of that what you will. HAND.:-)
I think Pollock was a fool, but I still like some of his stuff. It's... interesting. There've been lots of others who've done far worse stuff.
I spent most of my high school years in the mud room throwing pottery on a wheel. I was pretty good. Lots of friends and family still proudly display my pieces. Is it art? No, they're defined as "crafts." Shows what we know of art. However, I'd put some of my Raku up against the Mona Lisa, and defy you to tell me one's more beautiful than the other.
Later on, I decorated my homes with framed seismic sections (I was working as a geophysical tech). Is it art? Hardly. They were pictures of data. Given the same impulse (dynamite or vibroseis) and arrangement of geophones and weather conditions, they were repeatable. Were they beautiful? To me, you're damned right they were! Did they confuse the !@#$ out of visitors? You bet!
So, what is art? Art is what you want it to be. Don't get me wrong; Leonardo and Michelangelo (and many others) did many marvelous things, but I've seen things that five year old kids have done which were every bit as expressive. You pedestrians take art far too damned seriously. It's really just another way to express an idea or ideas or thoughts. You can do that with paint, pixels, words, or any sort of data or media. Some of the perl and C code I've written, I'd rate right up there with the Sistine Chapel (sorry Mike). Some of the math I've seen, I'd rate just as highly.
There's nothing magical about art, except that it's magical.
Unless you're living on a co-op on unexplored land making clothes out of hemp, it's not a good thing. Not even for the insurance, health care, or government people.
WTF are you talking about?!? Are you speaking cryptically on purpose, and do you desire to not be understood?
That is one of the stupidest things I've seen in a while. You must be an accountant, or an MBA.
I know some accountants and MBAs, and I think they'd rightfully be offended by that.
I've known some accountants and MBAs, and I can't think of many other people who've seemed worth less, all tolled. For instance, $accountant is studiously transcribing a column of numbers from the spreadsheet on their computer's monitor into their (physical) desktop calculator to sum the column of numbers.
That is close to the stupidest thing I've ever seen anyone do. i) Any spreadsheet program can sum a column of numbers (Right (MB-3)-click...). ii) Transcription errors? "What're those?" iii) Why's "IT" considered a "Cost Centre"? Because "Finance" hasn't a clue what we geeks do? Duh.
To be fair, however, I don't have a great deal of respect for the medical doctors or lawyers I've run across either. Perhaps I'm just too picky. I expect professionals to be better than your average plebe. Not in my experience. Tunnel-visioned idiot savants is a better description.
Any research that doesn't reach the conclusions you want must be biased.
... IFF you only weigh arguments politically. Some of us are trying to find truth via objectivity, unencumbered by wants and needs, and scientifically. No, we're not always all that good at it, but we can all try. Cognitive bubbles must be hunted down and eliminated with extreme prejudice. HAND.
Toss out gang activity, illegal drug use, and well, being black and the numbers of gun violence are much more in line (as to not be significant) with other countries.
If you remove all types and models of cars and trucks implicated in road accidents, then you will find that cars and trucks are the safest way to travel.
What are you, an idiot?
Are you an idiot? Those involved in gangs, illegal drugs, and are black are a minority of the US' population. The vast majority of the US' population is not in any of that (contrary to what the DHS and TSA appear to believe).
He took people with him from Walmart to Dell. He took people with him from Dell to HP. Why wouldn't he take people with him from HP to GM?
This is nitpicking, I know, but you can't "take" people. He can offer them a job, but it's up to them whether they accept. It sounds to me like Mott is one of those rare gems that people love to work for. Naturally people will want to follow him wherever he goes.
We don't often run across managers who know what they're supposed to be doing. When we do, we stick to them like they're flypaper.
Were I chairman of MS, HP, or AMD, I'd be looking at the summary executions of the CxOs who ran my companies.
MS & HP, yes. I don't agree about AMD. I don't know (or much care) about how the company/stocks are performing, but I swear by their products and they won their suit against Intel (as they should). I've no complaints about AMD. I like the AMD stuff I've owned.
These companies that don't value talent should not whine and cry foul when said talent leaves for greener pastures.
Well, yeah. They're peed by losing said talent. These people know how to do things, and losing them is a loss. Alternatively, this is an Imaginary Property pissing match. That's my guess. What're they taking with them? The keys to the (dieing) kingdom?
We tried that in the west once - it was called the French Revolution (with the guillotine instead of guns). The last time I checked that whole didn't turn out so well for anyone.
Really? It decimated the Royalist class, and produced huge amounts of entertainment for everyone else, not to mention giving Napoleon his entrance cue. Lots of pretty damned good books came out of it too, and Napoleon scared the !@#$ out of the Russian Csarists. Entertainment was had by all.
It didn't have to come to this, but the capitalists have gone off the rails...
I wish you guys would stop calling these people capitalists. "Slaver", or "corporatist", or lots of other more denigrating words come to mind.
The One Percenters that "Occupy Wall St." speak of are not capitalists. No, they're not libertarians either. They could not have got where they are without assistance from friends in government. True Socialists; "Bleed the citizenry to enrich me." A pox on hangers on like them.
time after time they (we) demand a government which is dysfunctional and violates common decency. Is that "bullying"? Maybe, but it's voters bullying each other...
FTFY. You're running on empty, digesting your own flesh to remain breathing. Your ribs are starting to show.
It's really easy for us to laugh off petty insults from other countries; it's like the jester teasing the king. Call us back when you have enough political power for us to appoint an ambassador who isn't a big campaign donor.
Keep him. We've no need for him. We've already got USTR Kirk screaming pathetic insults about us for no good reason, at the behest of your MafiAA. I don't have any need to see anyone immolate themself as the US is doing these days.
By the way, this isn't intended to be insulting. I'm just trying to report what I perceive looking in from outside. I used to admire the US and all it stood for. I'm sorry to see this happening to you in my lifetime.
Turned into a bully? It enforces the law, if that's what you mean.
Hah. Currently, your precious Constitution is considered to be toilet paper (or little more than a speed bump) by your government, which is what your Founding Fathers warned you all about three centuries ago. Right?
Watching you guys these days is like watching a train wreck in super-slow-mo.
You can kick us later after we're down, but until then we still run the world so try harder to hide your jealousy.
You're ALREADY ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL. You just haven't realized it yet. Enjoy the ride. Send us a postcard. Please try not to destroy the whole frigging world as you go down, thanks very much. Bye!!!!!!!!!
The Chinese appreciate what your lawyers and politicos have been up to, very *very* much. Bravo!
Hell go read up on the Native American's struggles post-reservation.
Trust me, I have. It's a disgusting story. It wasn't just the Spaniards/Conquistadores devastating the natives. All we round-eyes have lots to answer for. Anyone questioning this, go research Christopher Columbus vs. the natives he contacted. Eeeeeeeeewwe!
The ballot box comes first and we're still on that stage.
I'm not sure that's the wisest course. If a bully slaps you, do you slap him back? No, you hit him with a baseball bat! Didn't you guys learn anything from the Cold War?!? You don't negotiate with bullies, FFS!
Too bad your govt. has turned into a bully. Whattya gonna do about it, huh?
The 4 boxes of liberty are the Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, Ammo Box to be used in that order. Right now we're at the Jury box stage.
So, you're going to sue the US Gov. for redress? Methinks you underestimate the problem. Your government has been way out of control, and in the pocket of special interests, for decades now. They've only recently been capitalizing on their success. We've all been wondering when you guys are going to stand up on your hind legs and take it $thefuck back.
I thought so. ACs can actually be useful for something. Of course, there's ACs, and then there's ACs. Some are worth more than others.
However, I'm considering changing it. "Look eye! Always look eye!" -- Mr. Miyagi; Karate Kid. That or "A man's a man who looks a man right between the eyes." -- Neill Young.
Holy crap, the US is !@#$%^. What a mess you've made of yourselves.
FTA: "Stuart asserts that New York authorities only came after him because they wanted to use him as a conduit to uncover illegal gambling operations in that state. He says the New York district attorney’s office tried to strong-arm him into a plea agreement that would have had him hacking into the systems of his software clients in order to obtain the usernames and passwords of gamblers and their bookmakers to help authorities gather evidence of illegal gambling.
Holy crap! You guys have guns, yes? Why aren't you using the damned things? Your ballot box clearly isn't working. So,...
[note, I'm not a gambler. I'm just astonished to see you people put up with this !@#$. Shoot the !@#$%^ already!]
I watch British/Euro Football (soccer, to you peons) and some of them are sponsored by betting agencies. They wear their sponsor's website on their jersies for all to see.
Yet your authoritays are extorting developers for plea deals...
!@#$ your whole damned country! I promise right now, right here, I will NEVER set foot in your country willingly, nor do business with another USA-ian! !@#$ you all and everyone you know who choose to continue to live there! You're all insane for allowing !@#$ like this to happen.
I used to love you guys. Wow, how the mighty have fallen.:-P
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Geeks should definitely stay out of art.
Wow. That's so brilliantly stupid, it's practically art. Awesome!
Sort of like an elephant finger painting with his trunk. Were you dropped on the floor when you were born?
I took Art Studies and studied Jackson Pollock paint splatters, pictures of naked Barbie dolls in various locations and positions, and arrangements of elephant turds on an image of the Virgin Mary and was told they were all "Art" and thus not criticizable (only critique-able). So much for thousands of years of cultural heritage.
Art is push; not pull. If you don't get it, that's on your end; not ours. We don't much care if you get it. Expression is all it's about. If you enjoy it, yay, but that's not required. Make of that what you will. HAND. :-)
I think Pollock was a fool, but I still like some of his stuff. It's ... interesting. There've been lots of others who've done far worse stuff.
You know what's really geeky? Studying art as an academic and enjoying thousands of years of cultural heritage.
Uh huh. What's art, smart guy? Got ya there, didn't I?
I spent most of my high school years in the mud room throwing pottery on a wheel. I was pretty good. Lots of friends and family still proudly display my pieces. Is it art? No, they're defined as "crafts." Shows what we know of art. However, I'd put some of my Raku up against the Mona Lisa, and defy you to tell me one's more beautiful than the other.
Later on, I decorated my homes with framed seismic sections (I was working as a geophysical tech). Is it art? Hardly. They were pictures of data. Given the same impulse (dynamite or vibroseis) and arrangement of geophones and weather conditions, they were repeatable. Were they beautiful? To me, you're damned right they were! Did they confuse the !@#$ out of visitors? You bet!
So, what is art? Art is what you want it to be. Don't get me wrong; Leonardo and Michelangelo (and many others) did many marvelous things, but I've seen things that five year old kids have done which were every bit as expressive. You pedestrians take art far too damned seriously. It's really just another way to express an idea or ideas or thoughts. You can do that with paint, pixels, words, or any sort of data or media. Some of the perl and C code I've written, I'd rate right up there with the Sistine Chapel (sorry Mike). Some of the math I've seen, I'd rate just as highly.
There's nothing magical about art, except that it's magical.
Bon soir, mon ami. :-)
Broken window fallacy my friend.
Okay.
Donne said it best "do not ask for whom the bell tolls, the bell tolls for thee."
Huh.
Unless you're living on a co-op on unexplored land making clothes out of hemp, it's not a good thing. Not even for the insurance, health care, or government people.
WTF are you talking about?!? Are you speaking cryptically on purpose, and do you desire to not be understood?
Communicate. Don't obfuscate. FFS. :-P
That is one of the stupidest things I've seen in a while. You must be an accountant, or an MBA.
I know some accountants and MBAs, and I think they'd rightfully be offended by that.
I've known some accountants and MBAs, and I can't think of many other people who've seemed worth less, all tolled. For instance, $accountant is studiously transcribing a column of numbers from the spreadsheet on their computer's monitor into their (physical) desktop calculator to sum the column of numbers.
That is close to the stupidest thing I've ever seen anyone do. i) Any spreadsheet program can sum a column of numbers (Right (MB-3)-click ...). ii) Transcription errors? "What're those?" iii) Why's "IT" considered a "Cost Centre"? Because "Finance" hasn't a clue what we geeks do? Duh.
To be fair, however, I don't have a great deal of respect for the medical doctors or lawyers I've run across either. Perhaps I'm just too picky. I expect professionals to be better than your average plebe. Not in my experience. Tunnel-visioned idiot savants is a better description.
Any research that doesn't reach the conclusions you want must be biased.
... IFF you only weigh arguments politically. Some of us are trying to find truth via objectivity, unencumbered by wants and needs, and scientifically. No, we're not always all that good at it, but we can all try. Cognitive bubbles must be hunted down and eliminated with extreme prejudice. HAND.
They don't care about you having a gun, they care about guns being used to kill people.
Yeah, and they've chosen to ignore the lethal capabilities of baseball bats, golf clubs, shovels, ice picks, ... Now why is that?
Toss out gang activity, illegal drug use, and well, being black and the numbers of gun violence are much more in line (as to not be significant) with other countries.
If you remove all types and models of cars and trucks implicated in road accidents, then you will find that cars and trucks are the safest way to travel.
What are you, an idiot?
Are you an idiot? Those involved in gangs, illegal drugs, and are black are a minority of the US' population. The vast majority of the US' population is not in any of that (contrary to what the DHS and TSA appear to believe).
He took people with him from Walmart to Dell. He took people with him from Dell to HP. Why wouldn't he take people with him from HP to GM?
This is nitpicking, I know, but you can't "take" people. He can offer them a job, but it's up to them whether they accept. It sounds to me like Mott is one of those rare gems that people love to work for. Naturally people will want to follow him wherever he goes.
We don't often run across managers who know what they're supposed to be doing. When we do, we stick to them like they're flypaper.
Each company seems to be valuing employees as assets . . . instead of liabilities.
That is one of the stupidest things I've seen in a while. You must be an accountant, or an MBA.
Were I chairman of MS, HP, or AMD, I'd be looking at the summary executions of the CxOs who ran my companies.
MS & HP, yes. I don't agree about AMD. I don't know (or much care) about how the company/stocks are performing, but I swear by their products and they won their suit against Intel (as they should). I've no complaints about AMD. I like the AMD stuff I've owned.
These companies that don't value talent should not whine and cry foul when said talent leaves for greener pastures.
Well, yeah. They're peed by losing said talent. These people know how to do things, and losing them is a loss. Alternatively, this is an Imaginary Property pissing match. That's my guess. What're they taking with them? The keys to the (dieing) kingdom?
overpriced products lagging behind and becoming less robust, workers leaving in droves, talent being driven off ...
You forgot to mention their penchant for burning through [mb]illions on seemingly ineffectual CEO after CEO.
Rich people are people like you and me ...
Not necessarily. Many are indistinguishable from parasitic organisms (ie. Paris Hilton). We use antibiotics on those for our personal hygiene.
We tried that in the west once - it was called the French Revolution (with the guillotine instead of guns). The last time I checked that whole didn't turn out so well for anyone.
Really? It decimated the Royalist class, and produced huge amounts of entertainment for everyone else, not to mention giving Napoleon his entrance cue. Lots of pretty damned good books came out of it too, and Napoleon scared the !@#$ out of the Russian Csarists. Entertainment was had by all.
I call it a win all around.
It didn't have to come to this, but the capitalists have gone off the rails...
I wish you guys would stop calling these people capitalists. "Slaver", or "corporatist", or lots of other more denigrating words come to mind.
The One Percenters that "Occupy Wall St." speak of are not capitalists. No, they're not libertarians either. They could not have got where they are without assistance from friends in government. True Socialists; "Bleed the citizenry to enrich me." A pox on hangers on like them.
time after time they (we) demand a government which is dysfunctional and violates common decency. Is that "bullying"? Maybe, but it's voters bullying each other ...
FTFY. You're running on empty, digesting your own flesh to remain breathing. Your ribs are starting to show.
It's really easy for us to laugh off petty insults from other countries; it's like the jester teasing the king. Call us back when you have enough political power for us to appoint an ambassador who isn't a big campaign donor.
Keep him. We've no need for him. We've already got USTR Kirk screaming pathetic insults about us for no good reason, at the behest of your MafiAA. I don't have any need to see anyone immolate themself as the US is doing these days.
By the way, this isn't intended to be insulting. I'm just trying to report what I perceive looking in from outside. I used to admire the US and all it stood for. I'm sorry to see this happening to you in my lifetime.
Enjoy the ride, all the way down.
Turned into a bully? It enforces the law, if that's what you mean.
Hah. Currently, your precious Constitution is considered to be toilet paper (or little more than a speed bump) by your government, which is what your Founding Fathers warned you all about three centuries ago. Right?
Watching you guys these days is like watching a train wreck in super-slow-mo.
You can kick us later after we're down, but until then we still run the world so try harder to hide your jealousy.
You're ALREADY ON THE HIGHWAY TO HELL. You just haven't realized it yet. Enjoy the ride. Send us a postcard. Please try not to destroy the whole frigging world as you go down, thanks very much. Bye!!!!!!!!!
The Chinese appreciate what your lawyers and politicos have been up to, very *very* much. Bravo!
Hell go read up on the Native American's struggles post-reservation.
Trust me, I have. It's a disgusting story. It wasn't just the Spaniards/Conquistadores devastating the natives. All we round-eyes have lots to answer for. Anyone questioning this, go research Christopher Columbus vs. the natives he contacted. Eeeeeeeeewwe!
Grr. Argh.
The ballot box comes first and we're still on that stage.
I'm not sure that's the wisest course. If a bully slaps you, do you slap him back? No, you hit him with a baseball bat! Didn't you guys learn anything from the Cold War?!? You don't negotiate with bullies, FFS!
Too bad your govt. has turned into a bully. Whattya gonna do about it, huh?
The 4 boxes of liberty are the Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, Ammo Box to be used in that order. Right now we're at the Jury box stage.
So, you're going to sue the US Gov. for redress? Methinks you underestimate the problem. Your government has been way out of control, and in the pocket of special interests, for decades now. They've only recently been capitalizing on their success. We've all been wondering when you guys are going to stand up on your hind legs and take it $thefuck back.
Konichiwa. Que pasa? Wakarimasu ka?
Or, that may be a joke, playing off on my ("Holy !@#$!") inflamatory post. It's a fair cop.
Your sig is quite insightful.
I thought so. ACs can actually be useful for something. Of course, there's ACs, and then there's ACs. Some are worth more than others.
However, I'm considering changing it. "Look eye! Always look eye!" -- Mr. Miyagi; Karate Kid. That or "A man's a man who looks a man right between the eyes." -- Neill Young.
Decisions, decisions. :-P
Holy crap, the US is !@#$%^. What a mess you've made of yourselves.
FTA: "Stuart asserts that New York authorities only came after him because they wanted to use him as a conduit to uncover illegal gambling operations in that state. He says the New York district attorney’s office tried to strong-arm him into a plea agreement that would have had him hacking into the systems of his software clients in order to obtain the usernames and passwords of gamblers and their bookmakers to help authorities gather evidence of illegal gambling.
Holy crap! You guys have guns, yes? Why aren't you using the damned things? Your ballot box clearly isn't working. So, ...
[note, I'm not a gambler. I'm just astonished to see you people put up with this !@#$. Shoot the !@#$%^ already!]
I watch British/Euro Football (soccer, to you peons) and some of them are sponsored by betting agencies. They wear their sponsor's website on their jersies for all to see.
Yet your authoritays are extorting developers for plea deals ...
!@#$ your whole damned country! I promise right now, right here, I will NEVER set foot in your country willingly, nor do business with another USA-ian! !@#$ you all and everyone you know who choose to continue to live there! You're all insane for allowing !@#$ like this to happen.
I used to love you guys. Wow, how the mighty have fallen. :-P