contrary to what you appear to think, not every joke deserves a laugh, or even a chuckle.
I didn't say every joke deserves a laugh, what I said was not every bad joke deserves to be negatively criticized.
Hey, don't stick that on me. I was the one who simply agreed that the GP intended moot instead of mute. I wasn't criticizing. Besides, critiquing something doesn't mean negativity.
... isn't it just a bit odd that we're still using that long dead language in the 21st Century...
May I ask you why you find it odd? I love languages, so perhaps I'm not the right person to ask that question. Also my native language Portuguese is strongly rooted on Latin.
So's English. We steal from everyone. John Cabot == Jean Cabot == Giaccomo Caboto (Portuguese!). I love languages too, but they can often seem of little worth except to serve as a barrier to entry into a discipline. Presumably, the whole point is to communicate, but using arcane stuff like ancient Greek symbology to teach math in the 21st Century? Why? Well, to keep the competition out, of course. We're still carrying around Medieval Guild thinking with us in many fields.
[<--- warning, this was a humorous attempt]
I laughed, out loud.:-) "What's ten thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?" "A good start."
I turns out that Slashdot does not support the Cyrillic language anyway.
Slashdot's an equal opportunity mangler. I've seen lots of plain English mangled into line noise. Windows' apostrophes (open and close quotes), or Macs, or Unicode? Dunno.
In civil cases there is no guilty or innocent. I don't see the difficulty, you aren't prosecuting a criminal act.... The law is [meant] to protect people from losing their freedom (jail), not to prevent corporations from annoying each other.
I think that distinction is a bad idea (civil vs. criminal). It's an anachronism that we still do that. Hell, the RIAA/MPAA swears they're being raped every day. Yeah, civil means your bank acct. is going to grow or shrink, and criminal means either someone's going to jail or not. Still, I don't see much point in making the distinction. IANAL, however.
And I believe "Inanity" was a joke, and not a legal term.
Got that. I believe I may have been suffering from a bad case of Scotch (if such a thing is even possible) at the time.:-) I try to limit myself to only laughing at *really* funny stuff.
It depends on the intended goal of the user. Language's true value is for communicating ideas and information. However, it can also be used to entertain, show off, humiliate, and abuse. As everyone knows, "We've always been at war with..." Doesn't mean it's true, or actually reflects reality.
Yes, he did mean moot, as in irrelevant. We're not all prefect[sic].
Dear humor impaired/.er...
I am beginning to despise that saying. Those who use it are a lot less funny than they think they are, and contrary to what you appear to think, not every joke deserves a laugh, or even a chuckle. I'm quite capable of listening to a lot of so-called humourous pronouncements, noticing they're intended as humour, yet not bothering even to snort. I'm a tough audience, as we all should be.
As for "[sic]", isn't it just a bit odd that we're still using that long dead language in the 21st Century, one that's most prolific users these days are lawyers?
Stallman may disagree, but he has shown the world how to write a "free" software license GPL3 that's so restrictive nobody in industry wants to use it.
Stallman's not a gawd. He has come up with some brilliant ideas. No, I don't agree with him on most things (especially politics), but wrt proprietary protocols, he's bang on! Lawyers and tort law flaws are destroying the US. RMS is the bleeding edge of reform of both. He points the way that you ought to go.
I don't care what he smells like or what he has between his toes. On the things he cares about, usually he's right. He's Arisotelian ("things as they could, and should, be"), which is all I ask of anybody. YMMV, and if so you suck, IMO.
Rock on Richard. Give 'em hell. No, I won't vote for you. I will follow you.
Fairly sure patent applications cost money, so this point is a bit mute.
Yep, it leaves me speechless.
Yes, he did mean moot, as in irrelevant. We're not all prefect[sic].
Try to let non-essentials slide. There's a lot of people on this planet whose first langauge is not Anglais. Would you prefer to try out your Polish, Cyrillic, Kanji, Thai,...?
It looks like the above is only called a "contractor" to hit some legal loophole but has really been a direct employee for the last 8 years.
That's what I was thinking too. Here, RevCan (CCRA) would be sorely tempted to "deem" that contractor "an employee." Tax bastards aren't stupid, and they have the power.
Yeah, my favorite analogy is that you're encasing your secret in a strong box, but the people trying to break in have unlimited unfettered access to it.
I like the way you think. Yes, assume attackers have all the time in the world (ie., they've got your/etc/shadow). What's *our* downside? Really?
To the others in thread, yeah, they're in. That doesn't necessarily mean "they're in". If everything's crypto'd, they're still fscked (assuming no keyloggers).
BTW, I'm no crypto/security expert, so don't expect miracles from me. Just sayin'.
Somebody recently (a couple of years ago) demonstrated a build it yourself Beowulf that'd do
Restrict the system to one login attempt per user per second. intruders only get 3x10^7 attempts per year, regardless of their equipment.
You're assuming they're using networking logins. I'm assuming they've got your in your box and have got/etc/shadow and can go at it at their leisure. Ha, haaaaa!
Wow. Go read some history. Does the name Mahatma Gandhi ring any bells?
That was british india not india.
India's history is just as old and colorful and barbaric and glorious as China's, Japan's, Thailand's, Indonesia's,... Just like Europe, the despots ruled with absolute power over their peasants, and lots of peasants died for them, whether Indian Raj despots or British India despots. The peasants died. Plus ca change,...
Alexander "The Great" showed up in India, did you know?
He who fails to learn from history,...
Remind me, what is it we're disagreeing about? I tend to lose track...
It's a civil matter, rather than a criminal one. You can only presume inanity.
Is that really a word?
Jeebus, your legal system [sic] is fscked up, especially your tort law. So, no presumption of innocence in civil cases? You are way fsckin' doomed. Your time has come. Repent sinners, the Rapture awaits your arrival! Doom to those without legal representation, and go fsck yourselves too, we don't much care about you proles. Ptui!
And I was hoping for such great things from you guys. You started out so well.
I'm glad that there are people who care enough to analyze the strength of things that are so strong they just don't matter.
For some people (I'm one), the problem is the point of it all. Banging your head on that for days, weeks, months, years, is fun. That's what it's all about. A sexy problem's like gold. If you find the solution, (figuratively speaking) "Now what am I going to do?" Einstein spent most of his life fruitlessly banging his head on gravity. A good problem's addictive.
Anything that lasts beyond 100 years cracking time on $100K worth of hardware...
Somebody recently (a couple of years ago) demonstrated a build it yourself Beowulf that'd do < $100/Gflop. That's verging on "anyone can have one" territory.
If somebody feels they want to spend several months tying up a $100M cluster to break a secret they think I hid somewhere, I must have done something remarkably important with my life.
They could just be practicing on you. Once perfected, they'll have Putin's emails, or Berlusconi's sex tapes, or GWB's smoking guns,... I agree, this subject is a bit dumb, but if you happen to be that one in a million who looks at a problem in just the right way that a possible solution presents itself to you, would you just blow it off? Me, I can't. I've got to look into it, until it falls over or I get hopelessly lost trying.
Sometimes, for some people, the journey's the thing. Getting there's optional. Beats being Jack the Ripper. What a shitty hobby that was.
No one drinking anything else, could come up with something so cockbrained otherwise.
Oh, come on, you haven't been watching. I can easily see the same sort of crap coming from Pakistan, the Saudis, China, North Korea, the USA, (soon) Canada, the UK, France, Italy,...
In some countries, "contractor" is a lower class of employee without any benefits.
That's true here too (Canada), but because of that we command twice to three times the wages salaried employees get, and we can thumb our noses at the office politics (climbing over each other's backs for promotions). Contractors here have no privileged relationship. We're just hired guns, and I like it that way. All I need to care about is the work and my immediate supervisor, and how to convince my next headhunter that I really do know what I'm doing. That last one is the hardest part.
Then rehire more contract laborers at the new contract price of $8.50/hr...
Holy crap. Gas station pump jockeys get more than that (to start) here. If they're offering that for (supposedly) skilled labour, I'd tell 'em to take a flying leap. They can rot in hell, and if that's how they treat their staff, this dv4 laptop of mine is the last thing I'll ever buy from 'em.
I wasn't saying that at all. To me, those are just the differences between being a contractor and an employee. Trust me, being a contractor isn't all rosiness. Ie., no paid vacations, but I'm not expecting any as a contractor. I wondered why the GP does.
Been working as a contractor for HP. Not a single paid hour of vacation in 8 years. I hate this place with a passion
Who's fault is all of that? Why's a contractor expecting paid vacation? If you want paid vacations, you should be an employee.
I'm a contractor. When I finish a project, I take time off, on my dime. I also don't work for anyone that won't pay me a decent wage. I don't work on stuff that I don't want to, or I think doesn't need to (or shouldn't) be done.
Unless you feel that your mind is a system that can be hacked remotely by other entities and forced to carry out their instructions, your mind is not a cybernetic entity.
I take it you don't watch television. This appears to be the principle that marketing lives by.
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contrary to what you appear to think, not every joke deserves a laugh, or even a chuckle.
I didn't say every joke deserves a laugh, what I said was not every bad joke deserves to be negatively criticized.
Hey, don't stick that on me. I was the one who simply agreed that the GP intended moot instead of mute. I wasn't criticizing. Besides, critiquing something doesn't mean negativity.
... isn't it just a bit odd that we're still using that long dead language in the 21st Century ...
May I ask you why you find it odd? I love languages, so perhaps I'm not the right person to ask that question. Also my native language Portuguese is strongly rooted on Latin.
So's English. We steal from everyone. John Cabot == Jean Cabot == Giaccomo Caboto (Portuguese!). I love languages too, but they can often seem of little worth except to serve as a barrier to entry into a discipline. Presumably, the whole point is to communicate, but using arcane stuff like ancient Greek symbology to teach math in the 21st Century? Why? Well, to keep the competition out, of course. We're still carrying around Medieval Guild thinking with us in many fields.
[<--- warning, this was a humorous attempt]
I laughed, out loud. :-) "What's ten thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?" "A good start."
I turns out that Slashdot does not support the Cyrillic language anyway.
Slashdot's an equal opportunity mangler. I've seen lots of plain English mangled into line noise. Windows' apostrophes (open and close quotes), or Macs, or Unicode? Dunno.
In civil cases there is no guilty or innocent. I don't see the difficulty, you aren't prosecuting a criminal act. ... The law is [meant] to protect people from losing their freedom (jail), not to prevent corporations from annoying each other.
I think that distinction is a bad idea (civil vs. criminal). It's an anachronism that we still do that. Hell, the RIAA/MPAA swears they're being raped every day. Yeah, civil means your bank acct. is going to grow or shrink, and criminal means either someone's going to jail or not. Still, I don't see much point in making the distinction. IANAL, however.
And I believe "Inanity" was a joke, and not a legal term.
Got that. I believe I may have been suffering from a bad case of Scotch (if such a thing is even possible) at the time. :-) I try to limit myself to only laughing at *really* funny stuff.
"If the job is done"
Quite a big "if".
It depends on the intended goal of the user. Language's true value is for communicating ideas and information. However, it can also be used to entertain, show off, humiliate, and abuse. As everyone knows, "We've always been at war with ..." Doesn't mean it's true, or actually reflects reality.
Yes, he did mean moot, as in irrelevant. We're not all prefect[sic].
Dear humor impaired /.er ...
I am beginning to despise that saying. Those who use it are a lot less funny than they think they are, and contrary to what you appear to think, not every joke deserves a laugh, or even a chuckle. I'm quite capable of listening to a lot of so-called humourous pronouncements, noticing they're intended as humour, yet not bothering even to snort. I'm a tough audience, as we all should be.
As for "[sic]", isn't it just a bit odd that we're still using that long dead language in the 21st Century, one that's most prolific users these days are lawyers?
Stallman may disagree, but he has shown the world how to write a "free" software license GPL3 that's so restrictive nobody in industry wants to use it.
Stallman's not a gawd. He has come up with some brilliant ideas. No, I don't agree with him on most things (especially politics), but wrt proprietary protocols, he's bang on! Lawyers and tort law flaws are destroying the US. RMS is the bleeding edge of reform of both. He points the way that you ought to go.
I don't care what he smells like or what he has between his toes. On the things he cares about, usually he's right. He's Arisotelian ("things as they could, and should, be"), which is all I ask of anybody. YMMV, and if so you suck, IMO.
Rock on Richard. Give 'em hell. No, I won't vote for you. I will follow you.
Fairly sure patent applications cost money, so this point is a bit mute.
Yep, it leaves me speechless.
Yes, he did mean moot, as in irrelevant. We're not all prefect[sic].
Try to let non-essentials slide. There's a lot of people on this planet whose first langauge is not Anglais. Would you prefer to try out your Polish, Cyrillic, Kanji, Thai, ...?
It looks like the above is only called a "contractor" to hit some legal loophole but has really been a direct employee for the last 8 years.
That's what I was thinking too. Here, RevCan (CCRA) would be sorely tempted to "deem" that contractor "an employee." Tax bastards aren't stupid, and they have the power.
Yeah, my favorite analogy is that you're encasing your secret in a strong box, but the people trying to break in have unlimited unfettered access to it.
I like the way you think. Yes, assume attackers have all the time in the world (ie., they've got your /etc/shadow). What's *our* downside? Really?
To the others in thread, yeah, they're in. That doesn't necessarily mean "they're in". If everything's crypto'd, they're still fscked (assuming no keyloggers).
BTW, I'm no crypto/security expert, so don't expect miracles from me. Just sayin'.
Somebody recently (a couple of years ago) demonstrated a build it yourself Beowulf that'd do
Restrict the system to one login attempt per user per second. intruders only get 3x10^7 attempts per year, regardless of their equipment.
You're assuming they're using networking logins. I'm assuming they've got your in your box and have got /etc/shadow and can go at it at their leisure. Ha, haaaaa!
Sorry. :-) Assume the worst. Hope for the best.
You are a higher class of worker, not lower. This is not always the case, as I said above.
"I can lift three hundred pounds over my head, and still, nobody likes me!" -- A Child's Garden of Grass.
It's a strange, strange world, master Jack.
Has India ever had a revolution?
Wow. Go read some history. Does the name Mahatma Gandhi ring any bells?
That was british india not india.
India's history is just as old and colorful and barbaric and glorious as China's, Japan's, Thailand's, Indonesia's, ... Just like Europe, the despots ruled with absolute power over their peasants, and lots of peasants died for them, whether Indian Raj despots or British India despots. The peasants died. Plus ca change, ...
Alexander "The Great" showed up in India, did you know?
He who fails to learn from history, ...
Remind me, what is it we're disagreeing about? I tend to lose track ...
It's a civil matter, rather than a criminal one. You can only presume inanity.
Is that really a word?
Jeebus, your legal system [sic] is fscked up, especially your tort law. So, no presumption of innocence in civil cases? You are way fsckin' doomed. Your time has come. Repent sinners, the Rapture awaits your arrival! Doom to those without legal representation, and go fsck yourselves too, we don't much care about you proles. Ptui!
And I was hoping for such great things from you guys. You started out so well.
Fine. "Nuke 'em from orbit, ..."
Oh, ":(){ :|:& };:" you.
PS. Don't do that.
In WWII, the Germans wanted their cipher system to be as uncrackable as possible.
They blew it, from day one:
- they were using Ultra in the Spanish civil war.
- the Poles cracked it and handed the results to the British and French five weeks prior to the outbreak of WWII.
- some Brit geek ran across it, was intrigued by it, and built his own; within a month he was producing Ultra crypto on his own.
- we were lied to about this for "secrecy".
See Vasili Mitrokhin's (chief KGB archivist who, with the help of the British, defected bringing all of his notes) Archive.
I'm still trying to figure out what Turing and Bletchly Park were doing beyond merely extending this stuff.
I'm glad that there are people who care enough to analyze the strength of things that are so strong they just don't matter.
For some people (I'm one), the problem is the point of it all. Banging your head on that for days, weeks, months, years, is fun. That's what it's all about. A sexy problem's like gold. If you find the solution, (figuratively speaking) "Now what am I going to do?" Einstein spent most of his life fruitlessly banging his head on gravity. A good problem's addictive.
Anything that lasts beyond 100 years cracking time on $100K worth of hardware ...
Somebody recently (a couple of years ago) demonstrated a build it yourself Beowulf that'd do < $100/Gflop. That's verging on "anyone can have one" territory.
If somebody feels they want to spend several months tying up a $100M cluster to break a secret they think I hid somewhere, I must have done something remarkably important with my life.
They could just be practicing on you. Once perfected, they'll have Putin's emails, or Berlusconi's sex tapes, or GWB's smoking guns, ... I agree, this subject is a bit dumb, but if you happen to be that one in a million who looks at a problem in just the right way that a possible solution presents itself to you, would you just blow it off? Me, I can't. I've got to look into it, until it falls over or I get hopelessly lost trying.
Sometimes, for some people, the journey's the thing. Getting there's optional. Beats being Jack the Ripper. What a shitty hobby that was.
Has India ever had a revolution?
Wow. Go read some history. Does the name Mahatma Gandhi ring any bells?
No one drinking anything else, could come up with something so cockbrained otherwise.
Oh, come on, you haven't been watching. I can easily see the same sort of crap coming from Pakistan, the Saudis, China, North Korea, the USA, (soon) Canada, the UK, France, Italy, ...
One word: OpenNic.
... but someone who is violating a worthy patent shouldn't be allowed to keep violating it while the suit takes place.
Why? What happened to the presumption of innocence? If it's determined that it infringes, assign damages.
So how is this Google hate even relevant?
I think I've gone back and re-read everything here about four times. What Google hate? Mentioning Google's trying to buy Motorola's Google hate?
In some countries, "contractor" is a lower class of employee without any benefits.
That's true here too (Canada), but because of that we command twice to three times the wages salaried employees get, and we can thumb our noses at the office politics (climbing over each other's backs for promotions). Contractors here have no privileged relationship. We're just hired guns, and I like it that way. All I need to care about is the work and my immediate supervisor, and how to convince my next headhunter that I really do know what I'm doing. That last one is the hardest part.
Then rehire more contract laborers at the new contract price of $8.50/hr ...
Holy crap. Gas station pump jockeys get more than that (to start) here. If they're offering that for (supposedly) skilled labour, I'd tell 'em to take a flying leap. They can rot in hell, and if that's how they treat their staff, this dv4 laptop of mine is the last thing I'll ever buy from 'em.
It sounds like HP's learned from Foxconn.
I wasn't saying that at all. To me, those are just the differences between being a contractor and an employee. Trust me, being a contractor isn't all rosiness. Ie., no paid vacations, but I'm not expecting any as a contractor. I wondered why the GP does.
Been working as a contractor for HP. Not a single paid hour of vacation in 8 years. I hate this place with a passion
Who's fault is all of that? Why's a contractor expecting paid vacation? If you want paid vacations, you should be an employee.
I'm a contractor. When I finish a project, I take time off, on my dime. I also don't work for anyone that won't pay me a decent wage. I don't work on stuff that I don't want to, or I think doesn't need to (or shouldn't) be done.
What's your problem? Yeesh.
Unless you feel that your mind is a system that can be hacked remotely by other entities and forced to carry out their instructions, your mind is not a cybernetic entity.
I take it you don't watch television. This appears to be the principle that marketing lives by.