This guy is trying to protect his company and himself from investors who should rightly be judging them as less than competent...
... customers don't place additional value on trust...
When I read this before, I thought he was talking about security when he said "trust." Now I see he was attempting to rely on Harris' reputation.
Holy !@#$!
If I worked somewhere that Harris had done work for in the past, I'd be sending letters around to all dept's asking for critical evaluations of Harris' work. What was it, does it work, what's it cost to maintain it, is it reliable/cost effective, would you recommend them for future projects (why or why not),...
Thirdly? a lot of these type of deals are "we will dump $200M into this...
Did you notice this was $200m to upgrade an existing facility? What, you buy the whole thing lock, stock, and barrel, then Holmes on Homes style rip everything out and throw it away, then buy and replace it with all brand new, state of the art, fully stocked and finished (not bothering to roll out what you need when customers show up wanting it)?
Does that really go for $200m these days, or how much of that went to wood paneling and deep broadloom carpets for the executive offices, and seasons tickets, and team building exercises in Aruba? $200m to upgrade an existing facility, really? I know it was gubmint work and $200 hammers are cheap in that space, but still, wtf?!?
What espionage, exactly? You mean (allegedly) receiving (alleged) stolen goods from (the alleged) Bradley Manning, just like The Guardian and The New York Times did? The NYT and its publisher/editors don't even need to be extradited.
How much is the USA, the UK, and Sweden spending on this witch hunt?
What happened to the last spy cell the US caught? Shipped back to Russia to become hosts of their own TV show?
Why's the US got such a stiffie for Assange? Because he helped prove that Hillary really is the insufferable witch that she is?
Methinks the lady (USA) doth protest too much. You don't need to be an Assange foot-kisser to see that this whole thing stinks to high heaven.
The only thing worse [than] saying something bad happened and all our data is gone, is saying, the cloud disappeared and all our data is gone.
Actually, this story sounds a lot like the last high-tech startup I worked with. These guys (Harris) listened to the buzz, drank the koolaid, blew $200m on a data centre/center, yet put no further effort into thinking about how to do it in a way that it would be salable. "But, but, it's the cloud!", expecting the buzz words to do all the work for them. In the case of my HT startup, "Are you wanting to track people or materiel? Do you want to track incoming and outgoing, or location on site if on site?" "Uh, yeah!" They had an idea, but no plan as to what they wanted to do with it.
Secondly, gov't moves slooooooowly. They should have predicted they'd be in for the long haul if they expected this to work for them. Instead, they're quick buck artists, expecting buzz words to do all the hard work. I'm not a bit surprised they're now running away screaming "lalalalala."
"Cyber Integrated Solutions"! Jeebus!
As this market evolves, it's also becoming clearer that customers don't place additional value on trust and are unwilling to move the most mission critical applications to the cloud before less sensitive applications are thoroughly tested and vetted in a cloud environment, Brown added.
Well, WTF? and duh! Who hired these fools, and have they had any experience with large scale IT deployment?
Or, maybe those guys down the road who were doing it right just showed potential customers what doofuses these guys were.
I call it murder since that industry was aware of the health problems, lots of studies and proof exists
We're all well aware of how dangerous it is to drive cars, mountain climb, skydive, hang glide, skateboard, and lots of other dangerous things. I knew about the health dangers related to smoking before I started. They didn't matter to me and still don't, just as the potential for crashing a car, falling off a mountain, parachute not opening, crashing a hang glider, or cracking your skull via a skateboard means anything to those people.
Get off your high horse, tobacco hater. They're just supplying a demand from willing customers, and the gov't is getting rich via sin taxes trying to save me from something I enjoy doing.
Don't worry. I try my damnedest to be downwind of prissies like you.
There are plenty of people who are literate who don't give a fuck about spelling errors, either. Literate != pedantic.
Please excuse my pedantry, but I don't think that word means what you think it means.
pedant
n 1: a person who pays more attention to formal rules and book
learning than they merit
You may not think this sort of thing merits worrying about. I think the real reason this so often rubs people the wrong way is it's so easy to avoid. "It's" is a contraction, meaning "it is." "There's" == "there is." "That's" == "that is." "Who's" == "who is."
"Its" is a possessive pronoun, as is (I believe) "whose." How many "theres" are there? None; that's not a word.
People who care to use this stuff correctly trip over these things repeatedly, falling on our faces trying to read/parse them. We have to stop and go back and read it again to see if we actually understood what the writer wrote, or what really is the cause of our incomprehension. It's very annoying. It's like we're being forced to expend the effort the lazy author couldn't ("could not") be bothered to expend.
It's also very easy to avoid, if you care to. Anytime you see an apostrophe in something you wrote, read it back to yourself expanding the contractions. Does it still make sense?
We'll ("we will") appreciate the effort you took to make yourself understood. Have a nice day.:-)
BTW, for all those whose first language isn't English, I applaud your effort. This isn't intended to belittle you. I'm sure your English far surpasses my French, Russian, Farsi, Spanish,...
I get the impression that it actually means: "Fuck off. You don't belong here and we'll subvert anything you try to do that impacts what we want to do", in an angry, anti-establishment, "we know better than you" superior way.
What's wrong with that? DARPANET was designed to be a fault tolerant communications system for the military, after all. If the enemy gets one of the nodes, it ignores that node and hops to others, and the signal gets to where it was intended to go regardless.
Frankly, I think that's exactly what scares the "authoritays" the most. It finally dawned on them that it isn't controllable, that they don't get to say what happens on it, and that whatever they try to do to stop that just spurs geeks on to find new ways to subvert their attempts at controlling it. Crypto, VPNs, proxies, steganography, darknets,... They don't have even the ghost of a chance and they're wasting fortunes buying politicians in the mistaken belief that laws can trample freedom.
Way off topic, I know, but how do you figure this? There's a !@#$ of a lot more desktop Win* boxes/users than *nix boxes/users out there, and even if you select out all those *nix users often needing to use a Win* box (thereby using notepad instead of vi), I doubt vi users outnumber Notepad users.
Perhaps you assume (what I've often seen) the typical Win* user fires up full-blown Word instead of Notepad to create a five line text file?
did you read rtfs or the rfta? motogoog is suing apple.
TFS. Well, both Microsoft and Apple have been suing Motorola over Android for quite some time. I assume TFA is just yet another front in that ongoing war. Try $WEB_SEARCH "motorola suing".
When did not playing well with others suddenly become suing others? Your entire post relies on this premise, so please explain it.
You accuse Google of not playing well with others (for not playing the "lets share patents" game). Google is not suing others. Others are suing Google.
There wouldn't be any evidence. There seldom is if the perps are competent, and if the evidence trail pointed upwards some flunky would fall on his sword to protect the Big Boss.
No, I'm not a Google fanboi. I don't use anything of theirs; not even search. Nor do I own anything from Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, Samsung, HTC, or Motorola.
Please provide the following info: (1) the search engine you use (2) your mail provider (3) your computer manufacturer (4) your phone manufacturer (5) your OS
after you've done that, then we'll talk.
Er, why? Humour me. Why do I owe you that? I don't.
1 - ixquick.com
2 - Dope it out! I use my real email address, and have done liberally for more than a decade.
3 - Which one? I use an HP Pavilion dv4 (64 bit AMD Turion) and a Gateway Model MA3 (32 bit AMD Sempron).
4 - ca. 2009 Nokia (dumb phone).
5 - Linux (Debian stable and testing (squeeze and wheezy).
You? Why do I feel like I'm being stalked by an idjit? And why the !@#$ would I want to talk with you anymore than I have?
Why are you being such an asshole? Just curious.:-|
there's a difference between a technology being instantaneous and communication being synchronous or asynchronous.
And, your point is...? Care to spell it out for me? Please, go ahead and assume I'm an idiot. Really! I won't think less of you for it.
I'm currently reading a book ("The Anti-Christ") written by a guy (Nietzsche) who died more than a century ago. He's communicating with me via his writings. It's pretty asychronous though, since I didn't pick it up until long after he was dead. When he died, my father hadn't yet been born! I think that's pretty damned asynchronous.
Do you consider a dead tree book to be technology[*]?
It's an interesting read. He was an interesting man. It may take me a decade to make sense of what he wrote. Here's hoping I live that long.
If I want instant communication with someone, I'll run skype, or AIM, or an old-fashioned phone call. Maybe even just use SMS. Email was not supposed to be real-time.
Are you from 1990?
Ah, you're one of those idiots who phones me to ask whether I got your email if I don't reply within a minute.
email is asynchronous; feature! And, there are times when SMTP needs to do some housekeeping, which is why you get those bounce messages telling you the message couldn't be sent immediately, but that it will try again later.
I've no idea whether Exchange bothers with that anymore, or perhaps you think those are spam. Or, you call the postmaster demanding to know what that error message is saying?
It is perfectly clear to me now that Google does not play well with others, especially after trying to establish Chrome and Google+ as platforms.
From what I see from a web search on "google suing", that sounds like you'd think my refusal to have anything to do with pedophiles and organized crime was a bad thing. Why in the world would a corp. whose motto is "Don't Be Evil" want to "play well" with those barratrous jerks? Perhaps Google just doesn't like this stupid patent war !@#, and this is the stand it's taking against it? It's not doing them much good considering all the incoming suits from others, but that's not what having principles is all about. It's about doing the right thing, not the convenient thing.
Google !@#$ing buys patent pools to get them off the market so those barratrous jerks can't use them against anyone, FFS! That sounds pretty damned "Don't Be Evil" to me.
No, I'm not a Google fanboi. I don't use anything of theirs; not even search. Nor do I own anything from Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, Samsung, HTC, or Motorola.
Does anybody know what was the reason people commited suicide there?
Word got around that Foxconn was handing out large payments to the suicides' families as hush money. Providing for your family is a strong incentive among Orientals, and suicide doesn't have that much of a stigma there in comparison to the West.
Besides, can't people simply walk away instead of killing themselves?
The PRC tosses people in prison for tweeting against the party line.
Why is it so many alleged news sources feel the need to try and bend their readers to their view?
Perhaps it wasn't intended as a message to their readers, but was instead intended to blackmail Apple/Foxconn into spending more on advertising. Follow the money.
the problem is 'free' trade, free trade only works between equals and near equals, free trade between US, Canada, Germany, UK, etc. would be fine, including developing countries just turns into exploitation
That's a silly thing to say. Exploitation knows no bounds. Ask Occupy Wall St. or Nelson Mandela or Kim Jung Un (or whatever the !@#$ his name is). All exploitation takes is one greedy, lazy jerk to convince a few other greedy, lazy jerks to band together to rob everybody else. The Europeans raised it to a fine art during the colonial period, and the US' colonialists taught them how fragile their scheme was when the "everybody else" part stands up together to say no.
If Chinese peasants want to work for pennies a day building iBaubles, I have to assume they've a reason to do so. I blame the bastards who're creating that situation (the PRC gov't and their toadies), not Apple.
if you did anything even slightly weird you'd get a mail asking what was going on.
Didn't even slow down that insider who lost.5 billion for Credit Swisse.
I bet it didn't slow down hurricane katrina or the craigslist killer either. relevance deficiency?
I would ask you the same. If this guy's getting called on "anything even slightly weird" when he's just looking up credit scores, you'd think (well, I would think) that the banking system had some sort of "many eyes" system where nothing gets past them.
Yet an insider can waltz along burning.5 billion before anyone notices? Is it that much of a stretch to call that "security theatre?"
[Or, did you just want to bitch because I somehow hurt your feelings yesterday? Grow up, snowflake.:-)]
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How is that different from the Pentagon papers?
And is Bradley Manning really all that different from Mark Felt?
Pentagon Papers
We have been in this situation before, only we were less fascist back then.
No you weren't. Back then, it was the Military Industrial Complex and the Executive Branch. The CIA and FBI did much worse stuff than this back then.
Now it's the DoJ, State, and the Executive Branch. Different pieces and moves, same playing board and game.
This guy is trying to protect his company and himself from investors who should rightly be judging them as less than competent ...
... customers don't place additional value on trust ...
When I read this before, I thought he was talking about security when he said "trust." Now I see he was attempting to rely on Harris' reputation.
Holy !@#$!
If I worked somewhere that Harris had done work for in the past, I'd be sending letters around to all dept's asking for critical evaluations of Harris' work. What was it, does it work, what's it cost to maintain it, is it reliable/cost effective, would you recommend them for future projects (why or why not), ...
Thirdly? a lot of these type of deals are "we will dump $200M into this ...
Did you notice this was $200m to upgrade an existing facility? What, you buy the whole thing lock, stock, and barrel, then Holmes on Homes style rip everything out and throw it away, then buy and replace it with all brand new, state of the art, fully stocked and finished (not bothering to roll out what you need when customers show up wanting it)?
Does that really go for $200m these days, or how much of that went to wood paneling and deep broadloom carpets for the executive offices, and seasons tickets, and team building exercises in Aruba? $200m to upgrade an existing facility, really? I know it was gubmint work and $200 hammers are cheap in that space, but still, wtf?!?
Espionage is and always has been, IIRC, a crime.
What espionage, exactly? You mean (allegedly) receiving (alleged) stolen goods from (the alleged) Bradley Manning, just like The Guardian and The New York Times did? The NYT and its publisher/editors don't even need to be extradited.
How much is the USA, the UK, and Sweden spending on this witch hunt?
What happened to the last spy cell the US caught? Shipped back to Russia to become hosts of their own TV show?
Why's the US got such a stiffie for Assange? Because he helped prove that Hillary really is the insufferable witch that she is?
Methinks the lady (USA) doth protest too much. You don't need to be an Assange foot-kisser to see that this whole thing stinks to high heaven.
The only thing worse [than] saying something bad happened and all our data is gone, is saying, the cloud disappeared and all our data is gone.
Actually, this story sounds a lot like the last high-tech startup I worked with. These guys (Harris) listened to the buzz, drank the koolaid, blew $200m on a data centre/center, yet put no further effort into thinking about how to do it in a way that it would be salable. "But, but, it's the cloud!", expecting the buzz words to do all the work for them. In the case of my HT startup, "Are you wanting to track people or materiel? Do you want to track incoming and outgoing, or location on site if on site?" "Uh, yeah!" They had an idea, but no plan as to what they wanted to do with it.
Secondly, gov't moves slooooooowly. They should have predicted they'd be in for the long haul if they expected this to work for them. Instead, they're quick buck artists, expecting buzz words to do all the hard work. I'm not a bit surprised they're now running away screaming "lalalalala."
"Cyber Integrated Solutions"! Jeebus!
As this market evolves, it's also becoming clearer that customers don't place additional value on trust and are unwilling to move the most mission critical applications to the cloud before less sensitive applications are thoroughly tested and vetted in a cloud environment, Brown added.
Well, WTF? and duh! Who hired these fools, and have they had any experience with large scale IT deployment?
Or, maybe those guys down the road who were doing it right just showed potential customers what doofuses these guys were.
Maybe he should try to embrace it, and have ghost hunter conventions there ...
... some people will be aghast at idea of ghost hunter or other such idiocy there.
Perhaps Day of the Dead would be more apropos.
I call it murder since that industry was aware of the health problems, lots of studies and proof exists
We're all well aware of how dangerous it is to drive cars, mountain climb, skydive, hang glide, skateboard, and lots of other dangerous things. I knew about the health dangers related to smoking before I started. They didn't matter to me and still don't, just as the potential for crashing a car, falling off a mountain, parachute not opening, crashing a hang glider, or cracking your skull via a skateboard means anything to those people.
Get off your high horse, tobacco hater. They're just supplying a demand from willing customers, and the gov't is getting rich via sin taxes trying to save me from something I enjoy doing.
Don't worry. I try my damnedest to be downwind of prissies like you.
There are plenty of people who are literate who don't give a fuck about spelling errors, either. Literate != pedantic.
Please excuse my pedantry, but I don't think that word means what you think it means.
You may not think this sort of thing merits worrying about. I think the real reason this so often rubs people the wrong way is it's so easy to avoid. "It's" is a contraction, meaning "it is." "There's" == "there is." "That's" == "that is." "Who's" == "who is."
"Its" is a possessive pronoun, as is (I believe) "whose." How many "theres" are there? None; that's not a word.
People who care to use this stuff correctly trip over these things repeatedly, falling on our faces trying to read/parse them. We have to stop and go back and read it again to see if we actually understood what the writer wrote, or what really is the cause of our incomprehension. It's very annoying. It's like we're being forced to expend the effort the lazy author couldn't ("could not") be bothered to expend.
It's also very easy to avoid, if you care to. Anytime you see an apostrophe in something you wrote, read it back to yourself expanding the contractions. Does it still make sense?
We'll ("we will") appreciate the effort you took to make yourself understood. Have a nice day. :-)
BTW, for all those whose first language isn't English, I applaud your effort. This isn't intended to belittle you. I'm sure your English far surpasses my French, Russian, Farsi, Spanish, ...
Windows notepad is more used than vi
Not by a long shot.
Way off topic, I know, but how do you figure this?
How does that make notepad more useful, it just makes it more used.
Erm, ...
Eric: Who is it?
Strangers: The people who make you disappear.
Eric: Why?
Strangers: You stood in the way of them.
Eric: Oh, bother! Lock 'n load!
FTFY.
I get the impression that it actually means: "Fuck off. You don't belong here and we'll subvert anything you try to do that impacts what we want to do", in an angry, anti-establishment, "we know better than you" superior way.
What's wrong with that? DARPANET was designed to be a fault tolerant communications system for the military, after all. If the enemy gets one of the nodes, it ignores that node and hops to others, and the signal gets to where it was intended to go regardless.
Frankly, I think that's exactly what scares the "authoritays" the most. It finally dawned on them that it isn't controllable, that they don't get to say what happens on it, and that whatever they try to do to stop that just spurs geeks on to find new ways to subvert their attempts at controlling it. Crypto, VPNs, proxies, steganography, darknets, ... They don't have even the ghost of a chance and they're wasting fortunes buying politicians in the mistaken belief that laws can trample freedom.
OSI vs FSF mudwresting match
Evoking images of sweaty, scantily clad nerds grappling with each other in the mud is a terrible thing to do to a man. Please pass the mental bleach.
Sumo wrestling. :-)
Windows notepad is more used than vi
Not by a long shot.
Way off topic, I know, but how do you figure this? There's a !@#$ of a lot more desktop Win* boxes/users than *nix boxes/users out there, and even if you select out all those *nix users often needing to use a Win* box (thereby using notepad instead of vi), I doubt vi users outnumber Notepad users.
Perhaps you assume (what I've often seen) the typical Win* user fires up full-blown Word instead of Notepad to create a five line text file?
did you read rtfs or the rfta? motogoog is suing apple.
TFS. Well, both Microsoft and Apple have been suing Motorola over Android for quite some time. I assume TFA is just yet another front in that ongoing war. Try $WEB_SEARCH "motorola suing".
When did not playing well with others suddenly become suing others? Your entire post relies on this premise, so please explain it.
You accuse Google of not playing well with others (for not playing the "lets share patents" game). Google is not suing others. Others are suing Google.
So, WTF are you talking about?
There wouldn't be any evidence. There seldom is if the perps are competent, and if the evidence trail pointed upwards some flunky would fall on his sword to protect the Big Boss.
This used to be called, "Plausible deniability."
"I am NOT a crook!" Chyaa, right.
No, I'm not a Google fanboi. I don't use anything of theirs; not even search. Nor do I own anything from Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, Samsung, HTC, or Motorola.
Please provide the following info: (1) the search engine you use (2) your mail provider (3) your computer manufacturer (4) your phone manufacturer (5) your OS
after you've done that, then we'll talk.
Er, why? Humour me. Why do I owe you that? I don't.
1 - ixquick.com
2 - Dope it out! I use my real email address, and have done liberally for more than a decade.
3 - Which one? I use an HP Pavilion dv4 (64 bit AMD Turion) and a Gateway Model MA3 (32 bit AMD Sempron).
4 - ca. 2009 Nokia (dumb phone).
5 - Linux (Debian stable and testing (squeeze and wheezy).
You? Why do I feel like I'm being stalked by an idjit? And why the !@#$ would I want to talk with you anymore than I have?
Why are you being such an asshole? Just curious. :-|
there's a difference between a technology being instantaneous and communication being synchronous or asynchronous.
And, your point is ...? Care to spell it out for me? Please, go ahead and assume I'm an idiot. Really! I won't think less of you for it.
I'm currently reading a book ("The Anti-Christ") written by a guy (Nietzsche) who died more than a century ago. He's communicating with me via his writings. It's pretty asychronous though, since I didn't pick it up until long after he was dead. When he died, my father hadn't yet been born! I think that's pretty damned asynchronous.
Do you consider a dead tree book to be technology[*]?
It's an interesting read. He was an interesting man. It may take me a decade to make sense of what he wrote. Here's hoping I live that long.
Next, Thus Spake Zarathustra.
[*]Project Gutenberg - Authors with last name initial N.
Yet I waste *my valuable time* trying to educate the likes of you, and for what?!?
If I want instant communication with someone, I'll run skype, or AIM, or an old-fashioned phone call. Maybe even just use SMS. Email was not supposed to be real-time.
Are you from 1990?
Ah, you're one of those idiots who phones me to ask whether I got your email if I don't reply within a minute.
email is asynchronous; feature! And, there are times when SMTP needs to do some housekeeping, which is why you get those bounce messages telling you the message couldn't be sent immediately, but that it will try again later.
I've no idea whether Exchange bothers with that anymore, or perhaps you think those are spam. Or, you call the postmaster demanding to know what that error message is saying?
It is perfectly clear to me now that Google does not play well with others, especially after trying to establish Chrome and Google+ as platforms.
From what I see from a web search on "google suing", that sounds like you'd think my refusal to have anything to do with pedophiles and organized crime was a bad thing. Why in the world would a corp. whose motto is "Don't Be Evil" want to "play well" with those barratrous jerks? Perhaps Google just doesn't like this stupid patent war !@#, and this is the stand it's taking against it? It's not doing them much good considering all the incoming suits from others, but that's not what having principles is all about. It's about doing the right thing, not the convenient thing.
Google !@#$ing buys patent pools to get them off the market so those barratrous jerks can't use them against anyone, FFS! That sounds pretty damned "Don't Be Evil" to me.
No, I'm not a Google fanboi. I don't use anything of theirs; not even search. Nor do I own anything from Microsoft, Apple, Cisco, Samsung, HTC, or Motorola.
Does anybody know what was the reason people commited suicide there?
Word got around that Foxconn was handing out large payments to the suicides' families as hush money. Providing for your family is a strong incentive among Orientals, and suicide doesn't have that much of a stigma there in comparison to the West.
Besides, can't people simply walk away instead of killing themselves?
The PRC tosses people in prison for tweeting against the party line.
Why is it so many alleged news sources feel the need to try and bend their readers to their view?
Perhaps it wasn't intended as a message to their readers, but was instead intended to blackmail Apple/Foxconn into spending more on advertising. Follow the money.
the problem is 'free' trade, free trade only works between equals and near equals, free trade between US, Canada, Germany, UK, etc. would be fine, including developing countries just turns into exploitation
That's a silly thing to say. Exploitation knows no bounds. Ask Occupy Wall St. or Nelson Mandela or Kim Jung Un (or whatever the !@#$ his name is). All exploitation takes is one greedy, lazy jerk to convince a few other greedy, lazy jerks to band together to rob everybody else. The Europeans raised it to a fine art during the colonial period, and the US' colonialists taught them how fragile their scheme was when the "everybody else" part stands up together to say no.
If Chinese peasants want to work for pennies a day building iBaubles, I have to assume they've a reason to do so. I blame the bastards who're creating that situation (the PRC gov't and their toadies), not Apple.
careful, you spilled your snark bowl.
Who's being snarky here, really?
if you did anything even slightly weird you'd get a mail asking what was going on.
Didn't even slow down that insider who lost .5 billion for Credit Swisse.
I bet it didn't slow down hurricane katrina or the craigslist killer either. relevance deficiency?
I would ask you the same. If this guy's getting called on "anything even slightly weird" when he's just looking up credit scores, you'd think (well, I would think) that the banking system had some sort of "many eyes" system where nothing gets past them.
Yet an insider can waltz along burning .5 billion before anyone notices? Is it that much of a stretch to call that "security theatre?"
[Or, did you just want to bitch because I somehow hurt your feelings yesterday? Grow up, snowflake. :-)]