I wonder how would you think if you were a woman, and you were pregnant from a rape.
Probably about the same as a man who's staring down the barrels of twenty years of child support payments.
I don't think men should have any say in what a woman wants to do with her body. I do think they should have some say in whether or not the child is put up for adoption, yet that never seems to come up in these discussions. Motherhood's just sacred; end of story.
A child of rape is no less than any other child, regardless of how it came to be. I don't understand why women blanketly condemn them, but I'm also not going to try to tell her what to do with her body. I don't think she deserves any more right to tell a man what to do with his.
It takes two to tango, and women get pregnant, not men; fact of life.
But from a capitalist perspective, the Murdochs aren't defective at all, in fact they're rather good at placing profit above any other consideration..
This doesn't have anything to do with capitalism. I expect Bernie Madoff believes himself to be a capitalist too. Doesn't mean it's true. An idea's not responsible for those who hold it.
Capitalism relates to economics and politics. Ethics and morality only come into it when we desire repeat business. Businesses don't tend to do ethics and morality all that well natively, which is why we invented Public Relations departments.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in News Corp.'s PR department right now. That would be quite entertaining. Those folks sure have their work cut out for them.
Apparently we have much different ideas of what "society" is.
Apparently. I believe rabinous dogs should be put out of their misery (shot on sight). Are you suggesting the rabies virus should be left alone with its right to exist as just yet another living entity?
News Corp./Murdochs are doing bad stuff. They're not acting like a news provider I'd like to support, if they're hacking into dead children's cell-phones just to sell more newspapers. I think Rupert has displayed an egregious lack of morality/civility, over the course of years if not decades, just to make cash. I'm a libertarian capitalist, and that kind of behaviour offends me, to the bone!
It's too bad we don't hold up individuals in public positions to the same moral standards as individuals in private positions.
Who's this "we" you speak of, Kemosabi? Sweeping generalizations are always bad!:-)
You're supposing facts which are not in evidence. I hate all these bastards; private, corporate, gov't, wherever! Incompetence and corruption distresses me no end, regardless of which realm in which it originates.
I still think the Spartans got it right. The defective ones should go over the cliff. It's for the good of the gene pool.
[You'd] think that brute-forcing voicemail PINs would be rather easy to spot...
Yeah, it would have been, if anyone had bothered to look at the logs. Doh!
#!/bin/sh for f in "0000 - 9999"; do #untested! I'm feeling lazy atm. "man sh"!
$yada $f # "yada" == "wardial"? Guessing... done
What's that going to take, time-wise, on current hardware? Two, maybe three seconds? Sometimes, I really hate some of the people I share a planet with, and I'm not talking about the Murdochs here.:-| The admins at that cell-phone co. should be strung up, or nailed to a cross,... or something.
Their managers/"nominal superiors" should be herded out back to be shot on the spot.
Someone did explain the security procedures to John Prescott? If not, then it is a failure of the secret service for not ensuring that each person with security clearance X has been informed of the security measures needed for that level of security.
You do realize that people like this are placed into such positions of trust precisely because they are assumed to be of a higher calibre than your average Joe Schmoe on the street, yes?
Huh. I wonder why that's not working. Perhaps that should be looked into.
[Your.sig: You're complaining about a lack of of a RTE, yet still using Roman Numerals?!?:-O]
Yes, because that type of action by governments has always worked out so well in the past.
What's the gov't have to do with this? This is society and righteous indignation, kind of like Atticus Finch shooting a rabid dog. That's a perfectly acceptable thing for a gov't to be doing.
"News Corp., that is unacceptable behaviour. Eat lead."
Before long, we won't be able to do anything at all, because they'll own the government.
Thank you. You just reminded me of a painting I saw about twenty years ago and completely lost track of. I think it was called "The Death of Sisyphus", but I can't find it to verify.
It was a painting of a man being held down on a bed on his back by one woman, while another woman prepared to take a knife to his throat. Both women show no emotion whatever, concentrating only on the job at hand. The man is wide-eyed with horror, knowing he's about to meet his doom.
Explain to me why a company would give to charity if it is an expense without any benefit to the company?
Well, for the PR value perhaps, just as they do now?
Why do they get a tax deduction for PR efforts, anyway? Why should I care more for $vicious_multinational just because they donated cash to a worthy cause, cash that is essentially written off by the taxation regime? Good for the worthy cause, thanks, but so what if $vicious_multinational gave it to them? It didn't need it.
You should see the firehalls they're building in new communities here. They look just like a house, except firetrucks roll out of the garage periodically.
"Shell account" is why I'm with DH. I upload everything using rsync-over-ssh. It's not like those other options aren't there.
Yeah, but stuff that was determined more than a decade ago to be inherently insecure should not be supported and ought to be turned off. Make the users happy, sure, but try to keep them from shooting themselves too, yes?
DH customer: "Why can't I get to my ftp login?!?" DH Tech Support: "Because we can't know whether your box is infected with a keylogger trojan (or worse) or if your network connection's being sniffed. Please use the much more secure ssh & etc. You'll prefer it once you get to know it, and it's not any more difficult to use. Thanks. HAND."
It seems like millennia ago that I had to warn my local university that their finger service was the perfect stalker enabler.
"Iron monoxide" is a perfectly cromulent synonym for ferrous oxide.
"Rust"?!? Iron-able oxygen?!?
And in the spirit of your insightful riposte (seriously, honest!), I'd just like to say that was the Scotch talking, not me (and it may still be...). I don't actually have any quarrels with chemists to speak of. In fact, having known a few, any of them over the age of 35 are damned near miraculous to me. All hail the inventor of the fume hood. And if you want to live to be 40, get out of chemistry.:-)
Had I found out months later, that hackers had compromised dreamhost, and that dreamhost had kept it quiet, I would have been an unhappy customer. As it is, I'm a happy one.
I'm happy for all the DH customers that this's turned out to be little more than "HEADS UP", and it appears DH went out of their way to handle the damage correctly. Great! Bravo!
However, as an IT guy interested in system security, I *hate* that this happened in the first place, and seems to happen far too often regularly. Why is FTP still being used, and why don't you guys know how powerful a shell account can be in the hands of a master (or a gifted amateur, for that matter)?
This !@#$ shouldn't happen. Yet again, someone dropped the ball, IMO. If you're not sure what the downsides are, don't turn it on until you do know and understand how to mitigate it.
That's not why everyone thinks Ron Paul is crazy. He is to libertarians what PETA is to animal-rights groups: a flung-off piece of shit that has somehow latched itself onto mainstream America while the rest of the movement dies.
Yet, compared to the alternatives (Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, Bachman,...), he stands far above the crowd in pretty much every way. You may have to hold your nose to support him (how's this different from any politician?), but all the others are just a crap shoot. IOW, career politicians willing to say or do anything to get, or stay, elected. Yuck. They all remind me of Hillary.
Haaaa, ha, ha, ha, ha, funny. Okay, I'll see your "poisoning the well" and raise you "argument from authority", here and here.
Amnesty International is an advocacy organization. They advocate. It's what they do for a living. I see nothing wrong with that and applaud their efforts, but they're going to find something wrong with everywhere, including some of the most benign regions out there (Canucks and Danes are generally not known recently for Imperial ambitions).
Maybe I should have asked, "who hates Ethiopia enough to want to invade it and kill 200k civilians doing it?" Nobody! So, I think I'll stand by my condemnation of your, "Wow... that's like a Who's Who of suck." I've actually even been to Sudan, and loved the place so much I didn't want to leave. No, I'm not a fan of Bashir, but I found it fairly easy to ignore him, and soon he'll be dead.:-)
Love the country and its people, but hate the assholes that're ruining the place.
That's not why I think he is crazy. I think he is crazy for advocating 18th century monetary policy and "states rights," which has basically always meant the right of southern states to remove the rights of minorities.
So move to Oregon, or California, or Idaho (my preference). If Alabama/Arizona becomes depopulated due to its politicians bad ideas, what's it to you? Ron Paul's your best chance, compared to all the rest of the contenders. They're just Demopublicans/Republicrats. Paul actually believes in things other than just getting elected.
Dick Morris... wrote what I think is a rational, well-worded message...
"Everybody agrees that we need to battle online piracy of movies, books, TV shows and such."
No, we don't. Some of us believe this battle against "piracy" is undermining all of the rest of the good in civilization. It's facilitating the buying/co-opting of whole democracies' politicians for "special interests", FFS!
bonch, if you're not an astroturfer, you must just be as shallow as a pane of glass, if this is your level of understanding.
FYI, I don't "pirate". I advocate boycotting them. I do understand that this SOPA/PIPA garbage will destroy the net, which is why I fight this !@#$. Attitudes like yours are helping the enemy (see above). bonch == Quisling.
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I wonder how would you think if you were a woman, and you were pregnant from a rape.
Probably about the same as a man who's staring down the barrels of twenty years of child support payments.
I don't think men should have any say in what a woman wants to do with her body. I do think they should have some say in whether or not the child is put up for adoption, yet that never seems to come up in these discussions. Motherhood's just sacred; end of story.
A child of rape is no less than any other child, regardless of how it came to be. I don't understand why women blanketly condemn them, but I'm also not going to try to tell her what to do with her body. I don't think she deserves any more right to tell a man what to do with his.
It takes two to tango, and women get pregnant, not men; fact of life.
But from a capitalist perspective, the Murdochs aren't defective at all, in fact they're rather good at placing profit above any other consideration..
This doesn't have anything to do with capitalism. I expect Bernie Madoff believes himself to be a capitalist too. Doesn't mean it's true. An idea's not responsible for those who hold it.
Capitalism relates to economics and politics. Ethics and morality only come into it when we desire repeat business. Businesses don't tend to do ethics and morality all that well natively, which is why we invented Public Relations departments.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in News Corp.'s PR department right now. That would be quite entertaining. Those folks sure have their work cut out for them.
I know that good and evil is very much ad-hoc and relative ...
Please warn me if you ever decide to come to my area. I prefer to avoid people who believe things like that. It's safer for both of us. Thanks.
Apparently we have much different ideas of what "society" is.
Apparently. I believe rabinous dogs should be put out of their misery (shot on sight). Are you suggesting the rabies virus should be left alone with its right to exist as just yet another living entity?
News Corp./Murdochs are doing bad stuff. They're not acting like a news provider I'd like to support, if they're hacking into dead children's cell-phones just to sell more newspapers. I think Rupert has displayed an egregious lack of morality/civility, over the course of years if not decades, just to make cash. I'm a libertarian capitalist, and that kind of behaviour offends me, to the bone!
You disagree?
It's too bad we don't hold up individuals in public positions to the same moral standards as individuals in private positions.
Who's this "we" you speak of, Kemosabi? Sweeping generalizations are always bad! :-)
You're supposing facts which are not in evidence. I hate all these bastards; private, corporate, gov't, wherever! Incompetence and corruption distresses me no end, regardless of which realm in which it originates.
I still think the Spartans got it right. The defective ones should go over the cliff. It's for the good of the gene pool.
[You'd] think that brute-forcing voicemail PINs would be rather easy to spot ...
Yeah, it would have been, if anyone had bothered to look at the logs. Doh!
#!/bin/sh ...
for f in "0000 - 9999"; do #untested! I'm feeling lazy atm. "man sh"!
$yada $f # "yada" == "wardial"? Guessing
done
What's that going to take, time-wise, on current hardware? Two, maybe three seconds? Sometimes, I really hate some of the people I share a planet with, and I'm not talking about the Murdochs here. :-| The admins at that cell-phone co. should be strung up, or nailed to a cross, ... or something.
Their managers/"nominal superiors" should be herded out back to be shot on the spot.
Someone did explain the security procedures to John Prescott? If not, then it is a failure of the secret service for not ensuring that each person with security clearance X has been informed of the security measures needed for that level of security.
You do realize that people like this are placed into such positions of trust precisely because they are assumed to be of a higher calibre than your average Joe Schmoe on the street, yes?
Huh. I wonder why that's not working. Perhaps that should be looked into.
[Your .sig: You're complaining about a lack of of a RTE, yet still using Roman Numerals?!? :-O]
... this whole discussion about taking away the legitimacy of ferrous oxide strikes me as ironic.
Punny! Not much related to chemistry, but still enlightening.
Puns; gotta love 'em.
Yes, because that type of action by governments has always worked out so well in the past.
What's the gov't have to do with this? This is society and righteous indignation, kind of like Atticus Finch shooting a rabid dog. That's a perfectly acceptable thing for a gov't to be doing.
"News Corp., that is unacceptable behaviour. Eat lead."
Before long, we won't be able to do anything at all, because they'll own the government.
Thank you. You just reminded me of a painting I saw about twenty years ago and completely lost track of. I think it was called "The Death of Sisyphus", but I can't find it to verify.
It was a painting of a man being held down on a bed on his back by one woman, while another woman prepared to take a knife to his throat. Both women show no emotion whatever, concentrating only on the job at hand. The man is wide-eyed with horror, knowing he's about to meet his doom.
Seems a fitting end for News Corp.
Explain to me why a company would give to charity if it is an expense without any benefit to the company?
Well, for the PR value perhaps, just as they do now?
Why do they get a tax deduction for PR efforts, anyway? Why should I care more for $vicious_multinational just because they donated cash to a worthy cause, cash that is essentially written off by the taxation regime? Good for the worthy cause, thanks, but so what if $vicious_multinational gave it to them? It didn't need it.
You should see the firehalls they're building in new communities here. They look just like a house, except firetrucks roll out of the garage periodically.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...
"Shell account" is why I'm with DH. I upload everything using rsync-over-ssh. It's not like those other options aren't there.
Yeah, but stuff that was determined more than a decade ago to be inherently insecure should not be supported and ought to be turned off. Make the users happy, sure, but try to keep them from shooting themselves too, yes?
DH customer: "Why can't I get to my ftp login?!?"
DH Tech Support: "Because we can't know whether your box is infected with a keylogger trojan (or worse) or if your network connection's being sniffed. Please use the much more secure ssh & etc. You'll prefer it once you get to know it, and it's not any more difficult to use. Thanks. HAND."
It seems like millennia ago that I had to warn my local university that their finger service was the perfect stalker enabler.
"Iron monoxide" is a perfectly cromulent synonym for ferrous oxide.
"Rust"?!? Iron-able oxygen?!?
And in the spirit of your insightful riposte (seriously, honest!), I'd just like to say that was the Scotch talking, not me (and it may still be ...). I don't actually have any quarrels with chemists to speak of. In fact, having known a few, any of them over the age of 35 are damned near miraculous to me. All hail the inventor of the fume hood. And if you want to live to be 40, get out of chemistry. :-)
Coffee! ...
Had I found out months later, that hackers had compromised dreamhost, and that dreamhost had kept it quiet, I would have been an unhappy customer. As it is, I'm a happy one.
I'm happy for all the DH customers that this's turned out to be little more than "HEADS UP", and it appears DH went out of their way to handle the damage correctly. Great! Bravo!
However, as an IT guy interested in system security, I *hate* that this happened in the first place, and seems to happen far too often regularly. Why is FTP still being used, and why don't you guys know how powerful a shell account can be in the hands of a master (or a gifted amateur, for that matter)?
This !@#$ shouldn't happen. Yet again, someone dropped the ball, IMO. If you're not sure what the downsides are, don't turn it on until you do know and understand how to mitigate it.
FTP, in 2012! Eeeww! Just sayin'.
FeO is Ferrous Oxide not Iron Monoxide.
The topic at the moment is geology, not chemistry. Try to keep up.
Bloody chemists. Grumble, mumble, ...
I wonder how long before a US [led] coalition invades "for the good of the people of Somalia"...
I think they tried that, and it didn't work out all that well.
... law enforcement officials need to adapt accordingly.
I thought they had.
They were STEALING (intellectual) PROPERTY from the United States.
So, the US has less Intellectual Property now? No? I think you're just making the situation more confused, and your laws suck. HAND.
That's not why everyone thinks Ron Paul is crazy. He is to libertarians what PETA is to animal-rights groups: a flung-off piece of shit that has somehow latched itself onto mainstream America while the rest of the movement dies.
Yet, compared to the alternatives (Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, Bachman,...), he stands far above the crowd in pretty much every way. You may have to hold your nose to support him (how's this different from any politician?), but all the others are just a crap shoot. IOW, career politicians willing to say or do anything to get, or stay, elected. Yuck. They all remind me of Hillary.
Ron Paul not the sort of ally we want.
Mother Jones is hardly a bastion of objectivity in reportage.
Why, yes I can, Dora, as if it mattered.
Oh, good. I only mentioned it because it's often said that US-ians only learn of geography via invasion. Cool. You're improving.
... here's why Ethiopia sucks
Haaaa, ha, ha, ha, ha, funny. Okay, I'll see your "poisoning the well" and raise you "argument from authority", here and here.
Amnesty International is an advocacy organization. They advocate. It's what they do for a living. I see nothing wrong with that and applaud their efforts, but they're going to find something wrong with everywhere, including some of the most benign regions out there (Canucks and Danes are generally not known recently for Imperial ambitions).
Maybe I should have asked, "who hates Ethiopia enough to want to invade it and kill 200k civilians doing it?" Nobody! So, I think I'll stand by my condemnation of your, "Wow... that's like a Who's Who of suck." I've actually even been to Sudan, and loved the place so much I didn't want to leave. No, I'm not a fan of Bashir, but I found it fairly easy to ignore him, and soon he'll be dead. :-)
Love the country and its people, but hate the assholes that're ruining the place.
That's what some of us in real life consider incompetence. This isn't even hard.
That's not why I think he is crazy. I think he is crazy for advocating 18th century monetary policy and "states rights," which has basically always meant the right of southern states to remove the rights of minorities.
So move to Oregon, or California, or Idaho (my preference). If Alabama/Arizona becomes depopulated due to its politicians bad ideas, what's it to you? Ron Paul's your best chance, compared to all the rest of the contenders. They're just Demopublicans/Republicrats. Paul actually believes in things other than just getting elected.
Sheesh!
Dick Morris ... wrote what I think is a rational, well-worded message ...
"Everybody agrees that we need to battle online piracy of movies, books, TV shows and such."
No, we don't. Some of us believe this battle against "piracy" is undermining all of the rest of the good in civilization. It's facilitating the buying/co-opting of whole democracies' politicians for "special interests", FFS!
bonch, if you're not an astroturfer, you must just be as shallow as a pane of glass, if this is your level of understanding.
FYI, I don't "pirate". I advocate boycotting them. I do understand that this SOPA/PIPA garbage will destroy the net, which is why I fight this !@#$. Attitudes like yours are helping the enemy (see above). bonch == Quisling.