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Megaupload.com Shut Down, Founder Charged With Piracy
zacharye writes "Federal prosecutors in Virginia have shut down notorious file-sharing site Megaupload.com and charged the service's founder with violating piracy laws. The Associated Press broke the story on Thursday, reporting that the indictment accuses Megaupload.com's owner with costing copyright holders including record labels and movie studios more than $500 million in lost revenue."
The summary doesn't mention it, but none of those indicted or arrested were U.S. citizens or had likely even ever set foot on U.S. soil. Even if you're in another country, you had better make sure you're not violating U.S. law. Here's a full list of those foreigners who foolishly thought they weren't under U.S. jurisdiction (from the DOJ website):
Kim Dotcom, aka Kim Schmitz and Kim Tim Jim Vestor, 37, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand. Dotcom founded Megaupload Limited and is the director and sole shareholder of Vestor Limited, which has been used to hold his ownership interests in the Mega-affiliated sites.
Finn Batato, 38, a citizen and resident of Germany, who is the chief marketing officer;
Julius Bencko, 35, a citizen and resident of Slovakia, who is the graphic designer;
Sven Echternach, 39, a citizen and resident of Germany, who is the head of business development;
Mathias Ortmann, 40, a citizen of Germany and resident of both Germany and Hong Kong, who is the chief technical officer, co-founder and director;
Andrus Nomm, 32, a citizen of Estonia and resident of both Turkey and Estonia, who is a software programmer and head of the development software division;
Bram van der Kolk, aka Bramos, 29, a Dutch citizen and resident of both the Netherlands and New Zealand, who oversees programming and the underlying network structure for the Mega conspiracy websites.
Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and van der Kolk were arrested today in Auckland, New Zealand, by New Zealand authorities, who executed provisional arrest warrants requested by the United States. Bencko, Echternach and Nomm remain at large.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Anybody surprised by this story must be new here. File Lockers like MP3.com have been shut down regularly for ages now. You can't have an online database of content that isn't secured right...
"holders including record labels and movie studios more than $500 million in lost revenue."
my ass.
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It almost comes off as intentional that this occurred the day after the SOPA protests. It looks like the battles over copyright infringement are finally coming to a head. This will all get resolved one way or another.
Dick Morris is a former Clinton advisor and a regular Fox News commentator, but he actually wrote what I think is a rational, well-worded message about everything that's been happening:
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Dear Friend,
The Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) is just the kind of bill that could cripple Internet freedom in the name of a good cause. Everybody agrees that we need to battle online piracy of movies, books, TV shows and such. If piracy spreads, nobody will create anything because their work will be pirated as soon as it is finished.
But...this legislation, with its draconian enforcement powers, uses an atomic bomb to solve a problem best left to educated action by responsible individuals and normal litigation. The collateral damage from this bill could destroy Internet freedom.
The bill would let the Justice Department and copyright holders to get court orders against websites they accuse of enabling or encouraging copyright infringement. It could stop search engines from linking to such sites and require service providers to block access to them.
It should be called the Camel's Nose In the Tent Act (CNITA). It would criminalize the Internet and make search engines the enforcers of copyright laws. It opens the tent to federal regulation and judicial activism that could drive search engines and internet service providers into bankruptcy through excessive court judgments and liability.
There is a remedy: Public education. None of us wants to kill off artistic creation. Each of us realizes that by abusing the system to get the goodies for free, we risk eliminating the goodies. We don't litter because we don't want to ruin our environment. We don't run red lights because we don't want traffic chaos. We wear seatbelts because we want to live. Law enforcement plays a role, but the greater influence is an educated public.
Copyright infringers can't make it if we don't buy it. Consumers need to realize that we will kill the golden goose if we steal his eggs! The way to regulate the internet is to use it sensibly and wisely and not to let Congress and the Justice Department in the door.
Thanks,
Dick Morris
Send me a file, megaupload! :(
I just used it like 5 minutes ago! How could this be? Who's next? Let's crate? Mediafire?
All those slebs supporting Mega* sites look like thugs.
And here I was, wondering why a video wouldn't load, just a few minutes ago....
It was only used to upload and download Linux ISOs. They never allowed material to be stored which violated copyright laws !
The timing of this move is surely intended to send a message to anyone who opposes SOPA/PIPA. And that light to the free world, the USA has made it clear "we don't need no steenkin laws"
The People expressed their opinion about SOPA/PIPA. The Government responds with a resounding, "We don't give a shit."
"Careful! We don't want to learn from this!" -Calvin & Hobbes
Looks strangely familiar.
In seriousness, why isn't this all over the news? Why just SOPA?
The very day after uncounted internet sites shut down to protest SOPA/PIPA (which had a profound effect), and some website gets shut down for piracy on the order of a half billion dollars? Darn, if I would've known, I would've had my popcorn and soda ready. Such theatre!
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
The $500 million figure is based on speculation by the MAFIAA. Looks like we didn't even have to wait for SOPA/PIPA. It's already here.
I also don't understand how they got the Netherlands to raid their servers...
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. indymedia
...when corrupt laws don't get passed, or even do get passed.
Not as if they care, they will deal with the backlash later.
This will get worse if SOPA or anything like it passes.
I can't wait for the media industry to collapse. Maybe then content creators will realize they don't need the shit labels.
See you on Tor everybody. It is the only safe place now, but only if everyone gets in on it.
Hope the media companies love helping terrorism get even more secure, because that is all this will do as they push more and more people to encrypted networks.
Oh, wait, that won't be a problem, FBI will just get those backdoors and have control of millions of nodes for free.
Time to blackhole America. Bye.
Interesting that megaupload got nailed so soon after they tried to fight back against UMG's frivolous youtube takedown.
I smell a rat and suspect someone's trying to avoid giving megaupload an edge in their lawsuit.
There should not be "sites" to shut down; the Internet was designed to be P2P and should be P2P. Unfortunately, we failed to develop P2P networking to the same extent that we developed the web, so now we are vulnerable to this sort of thing.
Palm trees and 8
The OWS message got out. They decided to go after the top 1% who are receiving economic rent from stupid laws, and give it to the 99%. Small-timers, start your servers...
Ok. So they were able to shut this site down, internationally and affect arrests across the globe, without SOPA or PIPA. Didn't they just make our point for us? Existing laws are sufficient, why do we need more?
If they can shut down Megaupload without SOPA, then why do they need SOPA again?
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
Well, this SOPA Release Candidate seems pretty polished...I guess I'll downlo- oh wait.
Wouldn't it be great to have this army of people who reported on news stories and debunked claims and checked facts and stuff? They could learn to write real well and provide us news that we could use to decide on issues in a fair manner. Ideally they wouldn't totally swallow ludicrous claims like this 500 gazillion loss due to Megaupload for example. One man can dream I guess.
On one hand, these kinds of sites have made it stupidly easy to host and download all sorts of different data, legal and illegal. It's funny how the powers that be think that shutting these guys down will curb piracy when (a) there are so many ways people can get illegal data and (b) new and more anonymous ones will pop up as the older ones fall.
On the other hand, it's not a terribly huge loss on the material scheme of things. There are still plenty of other sites that people can use to host data, including wider-range services like Dropbox and Sugarsync. The other funny thing is that Megaupload et. al. did shut down links to any media that infringed on copyright policies, so it's scary to see how far these laws will go. I'm hoping that Dropbox and partners will not start telling people what can/can't be backed up.
...until proven innocent.
Exactly. I think you describe where they pulled that number from. No way $500 million. Megaupload was a warez and porn locker. It's the torrent hosters who have the movies and music.
How dare people drink their tap water! After all, how are bottled water companies expected to turn a profit when people can just turn a knob on their faucet and get water on their own?
Palm trees and 8
Who said: I TOLD YOU. WHO?
If SOPA passes the internet will be holocausted as the "final solution" to those pesky pirates. If Government ruins laws, why should I respect Godwin's law?
This will also fizzle out "cloud" storage because there be sky pirates up there. We need internet freedom fighters now more than ever, don't ever buy another MPAA/RIAA affilated work again for the rest of your life! Only a multi-decade boycott will put the MAFIAA in their place and have respectable copyright again.
So life can go on.
The indictment was returned in the Eastern District of Virginia, which claimed jurisdiction in part because some of the alleged pirated materials were hosted on leased servers in Ashburn, Va.
To play devil's advocate here: most Slashdot readers contend that music and movie industries should stop complaining and instead "adapt their business models", because their world has been irrevocably changed by technology. You could also say that that same technology has very much changed the way criminals do their dirty work, by allowing a person in one country to administer a server or hack a system on the other side of the world, and law enforcement officials need to adapt accordingly.
If they can do this, why do they need SOPA again?
Why not 500 Trillion? They're not even trying hard enough anymore...
$500M? That's like, what, one .mp3 file these days?
G.
Megaupload was one of a few (3-4) sites where a cracked copy of my software product was uploaded. They were extremely slow in responding to DMCA request and clearly had interest in continuously providing an obviously illegally obtained copy of the software (because they make money from download fees, essentially re-selling content without paying me). I don't care much for Hollywood, but I do care about software I spend 24/7/365 writing and supporting.
When is enough enough? How much more are WE going to take from "OUR" GOVERNMENT, and its agents, who are no more than sock puppets for the entertainment INDUSTRY?
Here are the facts:
1. Copyright is eternal
2. There is no Public Domain except some old books
3. No one is allowed to do anything with copyrighted works
4. This applies world-wide (or else...)
The Entertainment INDUSTRY can easily be put in its corner by bringing copyright terms (and all related rights) down to 20 years.
Twitching, Twitching, Twitching...
Because a dude who made 43 millions of $ with mostly illegal content got caught and his business have been taken down.
Forgive my squirrelly ignorance of American law, but I thought there was some kind of safe harbour law? Did they do something to void protection under such a law? Or is youtube going down next?
How do they calculate the loss? Every single download counts as full price retail when the item was first released I bet. Certainly not a year later when it get dumped into the bargin bin. 99% things that I have downloaded illegally, I would NEVER have paid a single penny for if unavailable for download. So the copyright holders lost nothing. I buy from the bands and movie makers I like. Most people making a living wage do that. If someone wouldn't have ever had the money to buy something, but downloaded it illegally again the copyright holder lost NOTHING. I think its funny when movie studios complain about illegal dvds being sold in china, most of those chinese could never afford a legal dvd anyway, many would have to work an entire day to earn enough money to buy a single dvd (and probably skip eating for that day). Those losses are fantasy profits!
Now lets get those p2pdns technologies to lay waste to copyright laws.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Hollywood Accounting (R) shows that very few movies actually make money, most are money losers.
(Question 1 - Why make movies when all they do is cost you money?)
Every time you see a movie in a theater it costs the studio money. They should stop showing them in expensive theaters, and somehow get them onto someone else's digital servers for distribution into people's houses to see on their personal computers... It would be much cheaper!
(Question 2 - Where do Studios actually make their money?)
Every download actually saves the studios money! Why don't they want us downloading more?
It makes no sense....unless someone is lying about how much profit they are making (and lying about how little downloading is really costing them...)
I would think that this would be the exact opposite of what SOPA supporters want. They've successfully shut down a pirate site *without* the extra rights that SOPA and PIPA were supposed to provide. This proves that they don't need further laws, the current ones suffice. (Though most of us would agree that even the current ones are too much)
Is there some reason why the DMCA's safe harbor provisions don't apply to Megaupload, or has the Federal Government decided those provisions are too inconvenient and therefore do not apply? Will Dropbox become the US Government's next target?
"In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
Mods: Look at this poster's name and posting history. People that post this kind of thing are far, far worse than MS, Linux, and Apple shills. These people are spreading propaganda that is much more harmful.
Redundant: "more than $500 million in lost revenue" - as if anyone downloading would buy their stuff instead if the site would not exist.
Duh!
Our PM, John Key, will roll over and take it up the ass from the U.S all day long in the hope he'll get a free-trade deal one day.
I sure didn't vote for the Smiling Assassin.
It gripped her hand gently. 'Regret is for humans,' it said.
I thought there were laws protecting content distributers from being prosecuted, like why Google can't be held responsible if you email a confidential document, or if their webcrawler links to child porn; or why the phone company can't be held liable if you discuss a terrorist attack over the phone.
Megaupload isn't required to filter the content they share unless a takedown request is made; in fact, they *can't*, since a lot of it was zip-file password-encrypted.
What did megaupload actually do wrong here?
Youtube may be next. Once they started putting ads on pirated content, they became an active participant.
This is a dead horse I know, but it's fuzzy logic at best to assume that materials downloaded...would otherwise be legally purchased. Most IP that gets sold isn't worth a dime and given the choice...would likely rot on shelves.
hoping that Dropbox and partners will not start telling people what can/can't be backed up
Oh come on—I'd be surprised if this wasn't already happening. Read the fine print.
you had me at #!
I will miss you
Track IP - Remotely track the IP address of a machine via email or MySQL.
I have never received anything from Megaupload encouraging piracy. They provide a service to upload/download files, so they are not responsible of the use of it. 500M in lost revenues? Seriously? These guys? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting They "cook" all the numbers....the 500M are "legal charges" and "administration fees"....not revenue. Oh! ..let's do the following exercise:
These lawyers say they lost 500M (in the last year? ) in revenues because megaupload is sharing freely their material.
Ok. Let's keep megaupload down for a year.
If they don't earn that money back, that means they were bluffing the number...so Megaupload is online again and they pay 10 times that number to the megaupload guys as "lost revenues". I think is a good deal. Right?
The sad story is, if Megaupload guys sue back to the US feds, then the bail/fine/whatever will be pay using taxpayers money.
From a higher perspective, that means if a tool is used by some individuals to commit a crime, then the tool must be shut down. Using the same logic, all weapons in USA should be destroyed!!!! Not only they may be used to commit crimes, they also kill people, which is much more serious!!!
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/justice-department-charges-leaders-of-megaupload-with-widespread-online-copyright-infringement This is a bit more informative vs the dozen-odd news sites I've seen so far which do nothing to explain what really tipped the hand of the feds in the case of this file locker vs any other. Reading the official allegations though, most of them seem fairly weak.
I like the timing on the Media Asshats part:
"The indictment was unsealed one day after websites including Wikipedia and Craigslist shut down in protest of two congressional proposals intended to thwart online piracy."
They were waiting...
Though I could not care less, one hopes "Dotcom" was sharp enough had his $42 million from 2010 stored somewhere that can't be touched, because as it happens the Media people are REALLY good friends with the banking people.
I also find it laughable that anyone would think Megaupload was anything but a piracy site.
An excerpt from a weak position:
"The fact is that the vast majority of Mega's Internet traffic is legitimate, and we are here to stay. If the content industry would like to take advantage of our popularity, we are happy to enter into a dialogue. We have some good ideas. Please get in touch,"
They just got in touch that's why your site is gone.
Now engage your virtual rage and mod me down you cheeto eating tubbies.
And what about the legitmate content that Megaupload was holding? No mention of that by the media... Nope, shut down, no trial, no jury, just executioner.
Isn't that nice?
That's like taking down Flickr because some of the photos are copyrighted... Of course, those photos are worth a billion dollars (wink,wink), so it's perfectly OK then to inconvenience the other 34 million people who had legitimate stuff on the site.
If any of you were hosting legitimate material on Megaupload, and you've now lost access, I suggest immediately filing class action against the government.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
The scum that carried out these crimes need to be destroyed; they have destroyed so much for so long. A strategy is needed to remove the FBI once and for all!
"Welcome to our world. We are the wasted youth. And we are the future too." Yes, I know these are stupid lyrics.
So instead of spending that $500 million people did what? Put it in their mattresses? No, they spent it on the exact stuff they supposedly pirated. All "piracy" does is get more into the hands of the end user. They still spend exactly as much as they would had they not pirated, and exactly as much gets into the producer's hands. The money doesn't vanish into some vacuum.
Wonder what happens to those celebrities...will they be arrested too for endorsing a known pirate site? Will their labels drop them for doing the mega song? Didn't most of the artists in that song tweet links to the video and MU? And post links to them on their personal sites?
*sigh* "Slippery slope" doesn't even seem to cover this crap anymore.
"I hope you know how very lucky you are to know me, because I am so incredibly incredible."
A "not responsible for user's content" clause will only take you so far, the same as this standard software license cluase. This clause does NOT stop a company from suing you if they want to recover money they've lost on a failed project:
Some variant on that text is in every license I've ever used, whether proprietary or GPL, including the stuff IBM develops internally.
Megaupload HOSTS the content the users make available for download, so it's not able to use the same escape clauses that .torrent search sites use.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
What did MegaUpload do (or not do) that Rapidshare and all the other similar hosting sites didn't do (or did do)?
Or are RapidShare and other similar sites next on the hit list?
And who defines what is the level of that 'nice' .......... a lot of the videos i checked around up till this point, were removed due to dmca claims. so, they were removing a lot of videos.
They just shut down it due to its size. period. ah, and he sponsored a few songs in usa about how piracy is not so bad compared to what the content industry was doing - probably that causes the attack on him and his assets - its ok when content industry brainwashes everyone, but if someone opposing them does the SAME thing, its a crime !
It's only good - criminals are taken to court and jail so companies can again produce goods and software and they don't have to see the widespread piracy that is going on
excuse me guy, but that stupid thinking is why we are having all of this shit in the first place - the REAL pirates have persecuted someone challenging their rule and you are clapping for it :
how music labels avoid paying artists : http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/13/1737224/riaa-accounting-how-labels-avoid-paying-musicians how music labels screw aspiring artists and bands to neverending debt : http://www.negativland.com/albini.html how labels avoid paying royalties to artists even if they earned the right to it : http://gizmodo.com/5417318/my-6247-royalty-statement-how-major-labels-cook-the-books-with-digital-downloads
ANY cent you pay to buy music so not to 'steal' from a big label, goes NOT to the artist - but to the pocket of an intermediary called the label and pocketed to an extent of 95%. you pay 15 bucks to an album, your artist gets a few cents, and the label gets almost entirety of 15 bucks. then they force the artist to go on concerts worldwide, to make money. it is taxing, and most artists and bands break down, and resort to drugs or excess to relieve stress. radiohead released one of their albums for FREE without a label, told people to pay however much they want, even take it for free. 80% of people who got it, did not pay. however, the rest 20% caused radiohead to make MORE money in just 4 hours than they would make in a whole year of touring if they gave the album to a record label. and that album, is still selling over the internet since a year or so now. so go figure................ in short, ANYone who supports this scheme that sucks artists dry, and screws customers up, is either a very very dumb, ignorant person, or a hapless idiot. there is no way to explain someone supporting a scheme that screws him/her over, otherwise.
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The United States Department of Justice also filed indictments against Western Digital and Seagate for making hard drives that are capable of holding everything from copyrighted works to child porn. "They should have some mechanism in place to make sure illegal content isn't stored on these devices," an agent representing the DOJ said in a prepared statement today.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
Anonymous claims to have taken down DOJ and MPAA sites in response.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/19/2719527/anonymous-claims-doj-and-record-label-site-takedowns-in-response-to
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
like from the toilet?
Oh, so I can make music and stop the copyright industry from collecting on it despite me not wanting them to do so?
Oh, wait, I can't.
And the copyright industry has more then once been found guilty in a courts of laws around the world for both taking content they did not own AND not paying artist for royalties they collected.
Grow a spine, you jellyfish.
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I highly doubt one had to do with the other. The Feds don't casually put together a criminal case; they take their time and line up all the ducks before they pull the trigger.
so feds have taken time to line up ALL the ducks before they pull the trigger, and it JUST had CHANCED the day after the SOPA protests ............
yes, the chances of that happening is, zero. zero. not one day before, not one day after. right the day after....
if you think that this is just a coincidence, i have two bridges to sell you.
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Anonymous has already begun hacking in retaliation. Justice.gov is down, as well as Universal music website.
US Dept of Justice and Universal Music are down. Source
"Careful! We don't want to learn from this!" -Calvin & Hobbes
So, how many users of megaupload will be driven to Freenet? Impossible to take down content there, next to impossible to take down the network as a whole, and next to impossible to tell who is uploading or downloading what. It may not be as fast, but popular content is very reliable. How does driving infringers further underground change anything, besides making it harder to tell who is doing the infringing?
Instead of a blackout we should just all boycott the net full stop. Then watch them cry as they lose real money. I can live without it, Don't know about the sad cases though.
Megaupload was not violating any copyright laws - they had a pretty solid dmca takedown procedure that was quite fast. Most of the 'pirated' stuff you would see that were uploaded were users, you wouldnt be able to see a few days later. They were good at taking down stuff.
But they were also the biggest. this meant that for every dmca takedown, a few went unnoticed or slowly processed. aaaaaaand fast forward to this - they shut it down and charged for piracy.
This should tell you EXACTLY what will happen when sopa passes - imagine the sheer violations of sopa law, when entire user generated content, including comments and links have to be reviewed. NO outfit on the internet will be able to do that. NO outfit. if google, microsoft, apple, rackspace, softlayer, verizon, at&t came together to do it, set up facilities covering half of texas for it and in addition and threw the echelon listening array (belongs to nato) and all its worldwide facilities at it, still they wouldnt be able to manage an effective removal of such 'infringing' stuff in acceptable time.
even china is not able to do it with a huge budget spent on surveillance farms and - mark that - 240,000 employees employed for censoring - quite a lot of them embedded as 'users' in internet cafes and whatnot, to snitch on the users even.
so it is certain that there is no way in hell any outfit on this planet will be able to NOT violate sopa. every outfit will live in a constant state of varying level if infringement as per sopa.
what does that mean ? it is a sword of Damocles, hanging over the head of EVERY internet outfit and website out there. if you go out of line in ANY way against the interests of any established private party, - whoa - a sopa complaint. MUCH more effective than suing for endless durations.
now you see why this sopa thing is useful for censorship, and why it was intended in the first place ?
these people do not seek to profit over anything. they are making sufficient profits. they know they can make even more profits if they adapted to the internet.
the problem of these people is CONTROL. internet is uncontrolled. it bothers them. they need the same kind of control they exercise over cable news channels, radios and whatnot. and all these shit are intended precisely for that duration.
these people want to control you for their own minority's profit. it is no different than dictatorship or enslavement - just the facade in front is different. they are NO longer your compatriots, they are no longer your countrymen, they are no longer your country's citizens. they are your enemies. even if you dont see them as your enemy, they DO see you as their enemy and act accordingly.
and you are playing in their home ground - as long as you keep all the game rules that allow them to control, ranging from copyright to patents, they will keep being in the advantage - for you will be playing in THEIR home.
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google links your software in its indexes, and shows your links. your software, everyone else's content IS the content/knowledge google uses to show people, and sell advertising over it.
why not sue google ? for, they are definitely using the presence and name of your software, to increase their hits and sell advertising without giving you a dime.
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How dare people drink their tap water! After all, how are bottled water companies expected to turn a profit when people can just turn a knob on their faucet and get water on their own?
Acutally, this is pretty much what is happening with the Research Works Act working its way through Congress.
Currently, publications resulting from Federally funded research must be available to the public, but the journal industry is trying to end free access -- despite the fact that publicly funded research isn't paid for by the journals, written by the journals, or peer reviewed by them.
Will they pay me each time I have to waste my time being forced fed their crap? Why do they get the "right" to make commercials loud, decide what I'm allowed to listen to, and control almost all media I could easily access but I get nothing in return? Why is it they can play the music, movie, material for free whenever they like, wherever they like and call it "marketing" and place it directly in my path without my permission?
I don't want their crap, I don't buy their crap, I don't listen to their crap, I don't "steal" their crap! I haven't even had cable in 6 years, yet my kids know all about the latest teen fads and BS shit they try to shove down our throats! Where do I send the bills for their shit they convince my kids they need? Why is this so one sided? Where are my rights in this?
You want to make it fair? Easy enough, anything given away for free (or the perception of free) becomes free for all! End of problem, put out a commercial that is "free" for people to view, then the use of anything in that commercial becomes free, want to protect your shit, then don't shove it down peoples throats, market it appropriately and smartly and stop expecting everyone to do their jobs for them for free and then complaining when the end result is exactly what they wanted (media/advertising saturation).
Just like Kodak, that became uncompetitive and started suing everybody for intellectual IP, the same is happening to US: all this increased efforts to protect intellectual IP in the music industry and movies and drugs industry and etc. are new, and are a desperate move to conterbalance the growing advantage Asia and the rest of the world is starting to have.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/78786408/Mega-Indictment It looks actually really, really, bad based on the evidence the federal prosecutors are presenting. As loud as the cry is about censorship, government being pawns of the MAFIAA, etc, it seems that MegaUpload crossed the line and brought this down on themselves.
One would think that MegaUpload could hide behind their DMCA takedown policy, but this Hollywood Reporter story -- much more informative than the ABC one -- quotes the feds
And perhaps most damning of all was their sting, quoting the Hollywood Reporter itself:
Rapidshare is from Germany and the krauts have other issues to fry as well as feeling very uncomfortable about anything that even reeks of censorship. They currently have an issue with the president having apparently tried to supress an article about an illicit loan. The loan isn't the real issue but the mere idea that the president who is supposed to guard the democracy tried to supress the press... OOPS.
Attempts have been made against Rapidshare but the german courts have better things to do, the german police have repeatedly said that they will flat out refuse to go after filesharers unless all other crimes are solved and the german politicians got other headaches then to worry about what Hollywood thinks of them.
New Zealand on the other hand is a vasal state of the US of A in all but name.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
I mean I know that slashdot is pro-piracy at all costs and stuff, but Kim Schmitz aka Kimble aka stupid fraud has had this coming for a long time.
or do none of you kiddies remember YIHAT, his phoney attempt to "get bin laden"? Or how about "kimvestor" which took lots of money from stupid investors who bought into the lie that Kim Shitz is some kind of 'leet hax0r from the 80's?' He did time for that one I believe.
Kimble is no hero. Instead of lamenting the downfall of this charlatan you should all be pointing and laughing.
choose your martyrs carefully. at least go to attrition.org and read up on this fat yihat.
I agree with you, but as I recall, the RIAA and friends sued anyone who tried to create P2P technology. Which is why "we failed to develop P2P networking"--everyone was afraid to do it.
If I steal and car and then park it on your lawn, should the police arrest you or me?
To punish any person for a crime they did not commit is 100% wrong; go after the people doing the crime or fuck-off. Asking/Telling/Enforcing a law on one person since another broke a law is a crime that I believe should be treated at the same level as treason.
This should be scaring the shit out of anyone with an IQ over 60....
New Zealand become a US state?
Whose side are you on? You even mis-spelled "Speech" in your screen name!
Guess the anons didn't put enough effort into their attacks...
I'm actually a little confused about this. Maybe someone could explain it to me.
Are they charging that the Megaupload company engaged in piracy? As far as I know Megaupload complied with DMCA and other takedown requests which should mean they are immune via the safe harbor provision. Are the Megaupload executives accused of participating in piracy? If so why are the companies servers shut down? I didn't think Megaupload hosted it's own content so why would the company be responsible.
The article makes is sound like the charges are, "Megaupload made piracy possible." Which would be stupid. But not surprising.
So, i guess that theory is out the window. You listening, Google? You are next.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Does this mean that the government is now responsible for every crime that has ever occurred on public property?
Since they build vehicles that are used to transport illegal items, does that mean they are just as liable?
Even more seriously, does that mean that any ISP or hosting service now has to audit what is on their servers, even tho they had no more control over it than megaupload did?
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Love the precedent. I can't wait for CHINESE law to be enforced in the US.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
It's a leap year this year. He's a whole extra day's worth of time to play with.
all the ICE and fbi working on ip issues get laid off ...more unemployment good job obama
LOL
The indictment occurred on January 5th, well before the establishment of an online protest to SOPA.
And perhaps most damning of all was their sting, quoting the Hollywood Reporter itself:
Shouldn't it be copyright holder, or official representative, making this claim? There are some rules to DMCA takedown requests that need to be followed.
so if this take down of megaupload stand, then it would set a precedent on all cloud base storage. If that the case why not load up another cloud storage like Microsoft skydrive, then the feds would arrest bill gates and so forth. In a sense we could literal take down some big company's by there own rules? Everyone get a skydrive account and start flooding the net with link and see if the feds bite. Who wants to shut down microsoft the same way with apple with icloud. Same situation bigger US company what will happen next. wanna find out? lets try?
let shut downb these company's with the same action taken today
The media companies did make the media you're pirating [copying]
Since you brought that up: The media companies didn't invent the musical scale and the English language. Ergo, singing and speaking English without paying is selfish and wrong!
People who download come in two flavors...
Flavor 1 - The people who weren't ever going to buy your product to begin with.
Flavor 2 - The people who aren't sure your product is worth buying, sample it and if good enough, they buy it.
Downloaders make more money for the MPAA/RIAA.
MPAA/RIAA do not LOSE anything from downloaders as each download IS NOT A LOST PURCHASE.
Sheesh, even a 1st grader understands this concept, why can't the MaaaaaaFIAS?
MPAA/RIAA quit raping all your customers and go fuck yourselves.
Public education is slowly coming under the control of Bill Gates and Microshaft...Linux is forbidden in many school districts, due to golf course deals with M$ and computer illiterate administrators, etc. I fear for the future generations...
http://techrights.org/2010/04/12/strings-attached-to-education/
Even if you're in another country, you had better make sure you're not violating U.S. law.
Fuck you! The world has had enough of US evil warmongering lawlessness and this "world cop" shit. This century will proceed without the US and its ass-backwards bible-thumping pig-ignorance.
The more I think about it, the more I become convinced that the so-called "pirates" are victims of prejudicial nomenclature—a label hung on them by their enemies. Historically, the question of who is and who is not a "pirate" has been a matter of viewpoint. In fact, you could become a licensed pirate—er freebooter—by getting a letter of marque and reprisal from some needy country. "Freebooter" sounds much nicer than "pirate", doesn't it? Certainly, it';s no worse than "greedy CEO".
Great men are almost always bad men--Lord Acton's Corollary
Why the hell is this marked insightful?
these people want to control you for their own minority's profit. it is no different than dictatorship or enslavement - just the facade in front is different. they are NO longer your compatriots, they are no longer your countrymen, they are no longer your country's citizens. they are your enemies. even if you dont see them as your enemy, they DO see you as their enemy and act accordingly.
This is the language of mass murderers. It is a call for violence and bloodshed, and I hope to God that the FBI keeps tabs on its author
See, they don't need SOPA to combat copyright infringement at all.
Bilateral treaties around criminal activities are working better than I would have hoped.
Hmmm so America has basically turned from a country of democracy to a country of dictatorship by the use of that thing called "intellectual property" and still like to spout nonsense like America home of the free. bah rot already.
Ok, its war. The american government will be removed.
Megaporn is the collateral damage this time, next time it could be lolcats or those charming girls with a cup. The internet as I know it is one step closer to dead.
Imagination drew in bold strokes, instantly serving hopes and fears, while knowledge advanced by slow increments...
Found an interview. Apparently Mega was looking to go head-to-head with the big record labels, and give artists 90%. And pay them for free downloads too.
It's here.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Well, it occurs to me that there's a lot of folks storing *legal* private files there too, ( like a locker service) due to the fact that MU never deleted user's files, as well as all their bootleg collections, and probably personal important archives too, etc etc.. So does this mean that these folks have also been screwed up the rear by this action? Remember there was no notice given to the users of the service either.. legitimate or otherwise, as though they're (all millions of 'em) not deservibg of basic human decency via association? How long before they're knocking down your door without notice and seizing your comp, next? Will we all be living in fear of the secret police soon?
Megaupload hosted over 8 billion unique files. Even if that figure were to include a copy of every book and magazine ever written globally (~130m), every film produced (250k), and every piece of music ever recorded (I can't get a figure for this, but 20m is surely vastly overestimating), that leaves 98% of their unique files being non-infringing. (Yes, there will be lots of non-identical duplicates, but one can be pretty sure that the majority of books/music/films will not feature at all).
So we can look forward to the coming days, when Megaupload's 150million (iirc) registered users realise that they have lost their backups, and their photo collections, and businesses have lost critical data, and independent artists their distribution platform. And then people might wake up to how the USG has been bought-into to protect and police the profits of the falsely-named "creative" industry middlemen? We can pray ...
Love the precedent. I can't wait for CHINESE law to be enforced in the US.
It already is. The Tongs/Triads/Other COCEs are the enforcers of Chinese policy in the USA. Naturalization is not possible for everyone and it's high time we as a nation-state realize this. The formality will eventually come as it is understood that with foreign money in the form of purchased Treasury instruments come foreign control.
If it cannot properly metabolize ethanol, it cannot properly understand individual liberty.
(repost - didn't log in!) Megaupload hosted over 8 billion unique files. Even if that figure were to include a copy of every book and magazine ever written globally (~130m), every film produced (250k), and every piece of music ever recorded (I can't get a figure for this, but 20m is surely vastly overestimating), that leaves 98% of their unique files being non-infringing. (Yes, there will be lots of non-identical duplicates, but one can be pretty sure that the majority of books/music/films will not feature at all). So we can look forward to the coming days, when Megaupload's 150million (iirc) registered users realise that they have lost their backups, and their photo collections, and businesses have lost critical data, and independent artists their distribution platform. And then people might wake up to how the USG has been bought-into to protect and police the profits of the falsely-named "creative" industry middlemen? We can pray ...
they knew (because they were told!) that they hosted infringing content
if i tell you you're infringing - would you know? or should i have to reliably prove it first?
So, this is how World War III will play. Net freedom citizens of the world vs evil tyrants. But this time, America, you will fight inside your borders...
This is damning information that changes the tone and tenor of everything else.
Have a Virgin Mobile USA smartphone? Give VMRoms.com a try!
No matter what country you live in.
They will waste my tax dollar to go get you.
I worked for him back in 2000 in Munich at Data Protect. He's fat, smelly, wears the same pair of shoes, and talks in high pitched voices. I'm fairly sure he was homosexual as well, as I had never seen him so much as get NEAR a girl. Bottom line, this guy had it coming to him .. The guys who bought DP (TuV Rheinland) certainly had a laugh today. This guy is a lifetime probation client..
It's the truth, but to you it doesn't mean anything.
What is especially interesting here is that Megaupload was planning to go into the business of releasing original content. Many major artists supported Megaupload publicly in the video a few weeks back, and it is rumored that Swizz Beats is the CEO. This is clearly the RIAA/MPAA trying to prevent a major new competitor from getting off the ground. It also has the welcome effect of discouraging any future Youtube-like startup companies. Another interesting aspect of this is that Megaupload and Megavideo were fastidious about removing copyrighted material from their sites, much more so than their competitors. I would love to see them successfuly fight this.
- elgo
It was a surprise to that foreign millionaires resident in New Zealand were arrest for crimes in the US (when as far as I can determine, they didn't visit the US). I have to quote part of the police comments:
"Wormald says today's operation was a successful one despite a less than straightforward entry to the Dotcom Mansion. Police arrived in two marked Police helicopters. Despite our staff clearly identifying themselves Mr Dotcom retreated into the house and activated a number of electronic locking mechanisms.
While Police neutralised these locks he then further barricaded himself into a safe room within the house which officers had to cut their way into. Once they gained entry into this room they found Mr Dotcom near a firearm which had the appearance of a shortened shotgun"[1].
This cop is a pretty laid-back type of guy (in a nation where even understatement is an understatement) to the point where he described the house entry with a straight face.
[1] Stuff, Friday 20th January 2012, http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6288082/NZ-residents-on-piracy-charges-denied-bail
Regards Sinesurfer A Nerd is someone who lives for technology, A Geek is someone who lives for technology and loves it
...the rest of the world doesn't like america, they are fat arrogant cunts who don't deserve to be connected to the internet.
Actually, if you read the charges, MU is accused of knowingly harboring pirated content despite takedown requests. It'll all come out one way or another in court, one assumes... but if that accusation is correct (frankly, this wouldn't surprise me; I've heard plenty of people complain about MU being slow or difficult with DMCA requests, and your post is the first I have ever heard to the contrary) then they are toast.
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
Yes. And we are giving them the money to buy weapons against us.
If we stopped buying books and going cinema, they would run out of funds and die. Let's next summer not buying tickets for their new summer premiers. It's the only thing that hurts them, not protest, not hacking webs, not SMSs or internet campaigns. Just money
Unfortunately, that is dream, people will continue feeding them. And they do know it.
Close airports and charge the owners of drug smugling. Also, don't forget to close hotels and charge their owners of prostitution.
sad that Megaupload is down...
happy that Kimble finally got what he deserved - i remember the time -maybe twenty years ago- when this asshole had zero technical knowledge, made good money selling all kinds of cards, was too lazy and too sloppy to do shady business decently, got troubles and then just ratted on all his friends...
well rapid-share won when they tried the same shit with them. but as yuo said this is more abought killing a competitor and once again has nothing to do with the pirates. megaupload would quickly pull any reported file. copyright has been deformed into just that a anti compete law.
More and more I tend to agree with Hugo Chavez's view of the American government as an Economic Imperialist body. The fact that the EU can forcefully apply its laws and principles in other countires (and prosecute those who break those laws) is a sign of the strongold the American Economic Empire has on the world nations.
An equivalent situation would happen if Sharia law as applied in Iran was forced to the USA, EU or Latin America.
Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'
he probably made virtually 0 income off of piracy since im willing to bet all of my money on the fact that 99.999999999999999999% of the people pirating from sites like this dont bother to upgrade to a special account anyways.
That is incorrect. He is not currently charged with anything. That is a bit of confusion or disinformation that has been floating around and darn near impossible to correct. He is wanted for questioning and that questioning, technically, could take place over the phone just as well as in person. Maybe people just assume that because they are trying to extradite him that he is actually charged with something, but no, that is not the case. He is not charged with anything.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
In that Megaupload song they say it was 4% of the internet, and what does that mean exactly? 4% of all internet users used it? 4% of all traffic?
I bet their revenue will stay the same, or just fall tremendously as there are more people who will boycott the movies and music.
Atari rules... ermm... ruled.
Can somebody tells me why the DoJ and the RIAA etc. do not sue ISPs for letting piracy material pass through their networks? This would be a more powerful move and at least the fight could be more interesting!
I'm a software developer and imho companies should offer good services and support instead of trying to fight piracy. This is what I did to minimize piracy:
1 - Outstanding 24hs support by phone, chat, e-mail, etc.
2 - Heavy cracking protection, I know it's impossible to make something uncrackable, but most clients will prefer to pay instead of braking a heavy protection that requires more than simply overriding a binary.
3 - Fair price. Better have a piracy ratio of 1/200 and a fair price than 1/10 and expensive software.
4 - Free versions for personal use that has limited functionality.
Nowadays internet is a dynamic thing, people put content on others' sites, US still think internet is the same it was 15 years ago.
The problem here is the companies doesn't want to make big money, they want 10 times this. And people don't want to pay for others that are becoming rich without working hard.
I'm an young entrepreneur in India. I have a good life as a software developer, and I learned to live with piracy. This won't stop me from earning money, this maybe is stopping me from getting real rich, but as opposite to americans, I don't want to be that rich. I want to earn money that I worked for, and imho, even with heavy piracy, software pays 5x what I worked for.
Sorry my poor english, I'm learning slowly because it's not a common language where I live.
Information wants to be free! Anything that can be copied over the Internet should be copied. All artists and software developers should go burn in hell, they should work for free, because the big corporation are screwing all of us anyway.
WAWAWAAWAWAWAAAA
Kids of all ages, go to bed. Now!
I think this is a wonderful example of proactive government. Now, if we were to to simply go after every corporate entity(and please, let's start with the ones operating within America before we go crazy) we could probably have a huge impact on the climate and those crimes which more directly effect humanity.) Oh...what's that? Not going to happen? Oh...right. It's like when we attacked some small 3Rd world country who we suspected might possibly (not likely) have nuclear capability, and ignored North Korea who (metaphorically) rubbed their nuclear arsenal in our face. It's absurd, and it looks like the operators did what they could to cover their own asses, but this is happening anyway...kind of like date rape. And yeah...this is just as wrong. There are much better ways of dealing with this issue.
Kim Schmitz was busted for insider trading once. Leads me to believe there is a connection with the whole Dell/Nvidia insider trading arrests from yesterday too. Easy to connect those dots.
we all stop buying (and stealing) ALL music and movies, along with no longer watching television (most especially sports) and radio. Make your own music, read books from a lending library or used book store. Do something else with your and probably drop 40 pounds in the process. They can't put us in their prison if we completely stop funding them.
not that that is really relevant to the main topic at hand but most states do indeed have a 'buckle-up' law. If you are caught not wearing a seatbelt you will be ticketed and fined. So yeah, most people do it because of that law. Sure they dont HAVE to, they'll just keep on paying hefty fines until they end up losing their license.
i can sue megaupload for all the time i've wasted watching bad camrips?
From the article:
For instance, users received cash bonuses if they uploaded content popular enough to generate massive numbers of downloads, according to the indictment. Such content was almost always copyright protected.
I think once you start paying people to post pirated content you can no longer claim innocence or ignorance. Granted, they weren't explicitly paying for pirated content, but they were rewarding people for posting popular content, most of which is pirated. So that essentially sends the message of "Want money? Post pirated stuff!" Because people probably won't come in droves to download an indie game you developed, but they will swarm for the latest release from a popular artist.
If you're going to reward people, you need to make sure you're not rewarding, and thus encouraging, illegal activity. In my opinion, the Megaupload staff was completely in the wrong. I wouldn't be saying this if they hadn't rewarded pirates for bringing in large numbers of hits. They brought it upon themselves.
What the Americans keep forgetting, is that MegaUpload is under no obligation to remove files uploaded by non-American users under their respective countries' fair use provisions.
For example, for me, it's legal to rip a CD or DVD, put the contents on MegaUpload, and share it with family and close friends under my country's fair use provisions. American authorities have no right to delete those files from MegaUpload. They can't (or at least shouldn't) issue a sweeping request to remove all copies of a film, when only some of the copies are infringing.
http://torrentfreak.com/from-rogue-to-vogue-megaupload-and-kim-dotcom-111218/
"UMG knows that we are going to compete with them via our own music venture called Megabox.com, a site that will soon allow artists to sell their creations direct to consumers and allowing artists to keep 90% of earnings.
We have a solution called the Megakey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free. Yes that’s right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The Megakey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works. You can expect several Megabox announcements next year including exclusive deals with artists who are eager to depart from outdated business models.
You need to understand that some labels are run by arrogant and outdated dinosaurs who have been in business for 1000 years. These guys think an iPad is a facial treatment, the Internet is the devil, and wired phones are still hip. They are in denial about the new realities and opportunities. They don’t understand that the rip-off days are over. Artists are more educated than ever about how they are getting ripped off and how the big labels only look after themselves."
Actually, you need to shoot him in the face, Mr. Cheney.
The story also says that Megaupload paid users for getting large numbers of hits with their files. And what files get large numbers of hits? Not free indie games or personally shared files, that's for sure.
They were essentially paying pirates for generating traffic. Oh, I'm sure they executed DMCA takedowns on less popular files just to show they were doing good, but I doubt they would bring the hammer down on anything that was bringing in hits and thus ad revenue. Especially since they were going so far as paying people who brought in those hits.
IANAL. From the dozen pages that I have read so far, the Justice department has utterly failed to make its case.
-Claims of losses have been admitted to be unsubstantiated (by the FBI).
-Claims that the "Mega" owners made money through advertising and subscriptions do not demonstrate malicious intent.
-Claims that "Mega" owners copied content from YouTube are a snooze.
-Claims that "Mega"owners can identify content uniquely through the use of MD5SUMs ignores the fact that one single bit change in a file which would be unnoticed by a human would result in a completely different sum. Additionally MD5SUMs are not 1:1 unique.
-Claims that "Mega" owners did not qualify under "DMCA Safe Harbor" because they did not designate an agent until 2009, ignore the possibility that there may have been no presence in the U.S. at that time. They may not have been subject to U.S. law.
-Accusations of hosting child pornography and terrorist video are sensationalist at best. There are no criminal counts on page 1 relating to these alledged activities.
-Repeatedly referring to the defendants as the "Mega Conspiracy" demonstrates weakness in the indictment. It seems that they have resorted to cheap debate tricks.
I sure hope that there is some meat and potatoes behind the allegations. From what I have seen, all they have is fluff. Pretty much everything is easily refutable.
What I'd like to know is how automatically deleting stuff that isn't downloaded for a fixed period of time gets used as evidence of support for piracy.
Any geek even remotely familiar with basic optimization will consider this a blatantly obvious storage saving technique and it's hardly a pirate move. In other areas we call it age based caching. Even DNS and HTTP do it.
I say it's high time we stop turning voir dire into moron parties where lawyers are afraid to have geniuses on the jury.
MegaUpload isn't using anything, but storing it as it would for a tenant.
Why is it that in Admiralty courts that the case title has the physicall classification as it's name like "Officer Williams vs. One Dozen Doughnots" so why not have "Media Company vs Metallica~1.MP3" instead and just cite MegaUpload as the adoptive parent or the landlord??
If I were that Kim Dotcom I'd declare war on the US authorities on every level. From high-end lawyers to fight the stupid and bullshit charges to direct attacks on the actual people from US law enforcement involved.
They declared war on 'piracy', and while a war on words is one thing, going to the extremes and actually going after people way outside their jurisdiction is going too far, and we need to respond in kind.
First we need to have the names and addresses of the FBI agents involved published - and then harassed of course. Yes, they need to fear for the safety of their families, from now on and forever. They went too far and violated foreign nationals homes in foreign countries - that's tantamount to war! - and need to pay for that.
It's time to take this to the next level and fight back. Not just DDoS-attacks. We need to make it as personal as they do. They went after people and violated their homes so we need to do the same. They need to learn that if they don't respect the rules of the game then we won't either. They need to be hurt and understand that it's not a game anymore. They need to learn respect.
To many of us those providing file sharing services are freedom fighters, fighting against bullshit media control. A huge amount of file sharing revolves around making media accessible and circumventing geo-discrimination, and information wants to be free so there's only one way this can go.
If I - located outside the US - want to see the latest episode of Grimm as someone mentioned elsewhere, there's no way I can do that without messing with VPN and a fake address so I can sign up for the some online service posing as a US resident. I can't go to a shop and buy the episode on a physical medium as it won't be available for many months on DVD/blu-ray. No matter how much money I'm willing to pay there's simply no legal way for me to get at that episode. But this huge demand in the market has been covered by MegaUpload, bittorrent and similar. I can find the episode a few hours later online, free of charge, courtesy of the pirates.
The media corporations could easily provide a legal alternative and fill this huge demand, making lots of money as they go (I'd be happy to pay for the stuff that I like), but they refuse and instead have started a war on those filling this demand. Nobody understands why they refuse (it's mind-boggling stupid on every level) but it seems control is much more important to them than money and profit, and they WANT to discriminate against non-US people. It's arrogant and offensive and that's why we need to fight them.
Admit you read all these comments and now your so mad you want to mega stretch your ass
Despite Slashdot's fucked up comment system this story got 1000 comments. Now uninstall Linux and try to get laid.
The trolling to keep this the most commented post this week continues
admit you suck penguin cock.
Trolls , Shills , Vandals and Goatsers unite to fuck up Slashdot, where 99% of the 1% get butthurt about the truth about Linux.
Seem the tactic is working, filesonic has disabled all sharing, you can now only download files you have uploaded yourself
Lick the goatse of copyright and get Windows 8 secure boot locked tablets running IE10 or we draft you into the 2013 Iran War.
captcha: enforcer.
What I find disturbing is the negative way the media in New Zealand is portraying Kim "Dotcom" Schmitz.
NZ police acted on US request for help
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10780138
They raided him with freaking helicopters!! :
Police complete Dotcom search
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10780142
Dotcom birthday party targeted
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10780321
Dotcom's lavish life of parties and luxury
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10780514
Dotcom 'extreme' flight risk - Crown
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10780553
Dotcom case 'not open and shut'
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10781113
You can tell how powerful someone is by the magnitude of the crime they can commit and be able to get away with.