You mean routers. Modems don't deal with IP at all. Unfortunately most DSL modems include really crappy routers which most consumers use instead of the real thing.
> People (and ISPs) are never going to switch to IPv6 if it does not affect them directly.
It is going to affect them directly. ISPs are going to be forced into increasingly complex, expensive, and painful contortions to compensate for the shortage of IPv4 addresses. Users are going to find themselves behind multiple layers of NAT that will tend to break P2P, online games, VOIP, VPN and others.
If a major website, such as Yahoo, makes the move, then the ISPs will be forced to update, or loose customers.
Yahoo is not moving to IPv6. They are adding it. They will remain accessible via IPv4.
The problem is buggy IPv6 software out there that tries to reach every site with a IPv6 address via IPv6 even when it (the software) has only IPv4 access and despite the fact that the site also gave it an IPv4 address.
IIRC the problem isn't with computers that don't support IPv6. It's with networks where the computers and DNS software does support IPv6 but there's no IPv6 connectivity. In those cases a name query gets back AAAA records, the computer tries to connect via IPv6, and the connection doesn't go through because IPv6 traffic doesn't have a route off the local network.
Only if the IPv6 support is broken.
Note also that at the other end (the DNS servers for the web site's domain) there should also be filtering in place: AAAA records shouldn't be being returned in queries that came in via IPv4.
There are good reasons why valid requests for AAAA records might come in via IPv4.
But not all sites do that filtering, so clients have to be prepared to get IPv6-only data back in IPv4 responses and filter it out.
They get the record(s) they ask for. If they are properly configured they know which they want to use.
For example with my settop antenna I dropped from ~15 channels to 4. I had to upgrade to rooftop antenna to get back the 15 I lost. The FCC/broadcasters never mentioned that.
Because, according to the FCC, you are not within the service area of the channels you lost.
No, but if the water company switches to IPv6 water and your plumbing is incompatible, you might blame them. After all, water is water, and the plumbing worked just fine until they changed something.
The only change they made was to add all new IPv6 water mains. The old IPv4 mains are still there and unchanged. The problem is that you had your plumbing redone by an incompetent who connected it so that it sometimes believes that it is hooked to the IPv6 mains when it actually only connects the the IPv4 ones.
That's one of the proposed solutions. It believe that it would mean that those of us with IPv6 only via tunnels would have to make some sort of special arrangement for DNS.
Even my 70 year old mother has come to the conclusion that Facebook is something that is a little sketchy and should have the minimum possible information in it -- when senior citizens start to realize that, you gotta figure the writing is on the wall.
"Senior citizens" are likely to be the first to realize that. In fact, most will have realized it from the start. It's the twenty-somethings that publish pictures of themselves having sex in a parking lot and then are shocked and outraged when their bosses see them. People with a bit of life experience know that the way to keep secrets is to not tell them to anyone.
... with "To share your phone number with this app type it in here" and we'd still hear howls of outrage about invasion of privacy and how the process wasn't clear enough.
Why would an auto-generated use of your personal data without your explicit permission be any different from your "regular" identity theft...
Where is the fraud? Are they claiming to be you? Are they taking out loans in your name? How is collecting a bunch of public information about you in one place any kind of "theft"?
I never agree to a contract unless I have read it, understood it, and determined that the terms are acceptable. I sometimes take my business elsewhere when presented with a contract so long that it isn't worth my while to take the time to read it.
Programmers program. Engineers design. And the manufacturer of the robot would be no more likely to be sued than Ford would if the kids had smashed in the side of the house with a stolen Taurus.
If the kids had found a Sawzall in the basement and used it to trash the house do you think the homeowner could hold Milwaukee Electric Tool liable?
> If they seriously believe it is patent free, why not put up a bounty?
A bounty for what? You don't find infringements by looking under rocks. Patents are public and they will already have paid some of the best patent attorneys in the world to do searches and write opinions.
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Well, you wouldn't have to put up with my cheap shots and snarky comments...
> Sure it does, it just takes an infinite number of 0's to get there.
There is no there to get to.
> any other suggestions?
Surely Sarah Palin must be involved.
That can't be true. There are more than two reports.
The routers don't deal in text format. They work with binary.
It would be about as complex as what we have well underway now, and we'd have to start over. Fortunately, we aren't going to.
> where are the ipv6 dsl modems?
You mean routers. Modems don't deal with IP at all. Unfortunately most DSL modems include really crappy routers which most consumers use instead of the real thing.
> People (and ISPs) are never going to switch to IPv6 if it does not affect them directly.
It is going to affect them directly. ISPs are going to be forced into increasingly complex, expensive, and painful contortions to compensate for the shortage of IPv4 addresses. Users are going to find themselves behind multiple layers of NAT that will tend to break P2P, online games, VOIP, VPN and others.
Yahoo is not moving to IPv6. They are adding it. They will remain accessible via IPv4.
The problem is buggy IPv6 software out there that tries to reach every site with a IPv6 address via IPv6 even when it (the software) has only IPv4 access and despite the fact that the site also gave it an IPv4 address.
Only if the IPv6 support is broken.
There are good reasons why valid requests for AAAA records might come in via IPv4.
They get the record(s) they ask for. If they are properly configured they know which they want to use.
A long while.
Because, according to the FCC, you are not within the service area of the channels you lost.
The only change they made was to add all new IPv6 water mains. The old IPv4 mains are still there and unchanged. The problem is that you had your plumbing redone by an incompetent who connected it so that it sometimes believes that it is hooked to the IPv6 mains when it actually only connects the the IPv4 ones.
That's one of the proposed solutions. It believe that it would mean that those of us with IPv6 only via tunnels would have to make some sort of special arrangement for DNS.
...in "innovation".
"Senior citizens" are likely to be the first to realize that. In fact, most will have realized it from the start. It's the twenty-somethings that publish pictures of themselves having sex in a parking lot and then are shocked and outraged when their bosses see them. People with a bit of life experience know that the way to keep secrets is to not tell them to anyone.
... with "To share your phone number with this app type it in here" and we'd still hear howls of outrage about invasion of privacy and how the process wasn't clear enough.
Where is the fraud? Are they claiming to be you? Are they taking out loans in your name? How is collecting a bunch of public information about you in one place any kind of "theft"?
> Why can't my information be more private instead of less?
Here is a hint: don't share your secrets with anyone you can't trust.
> ...received a burn for the 100th time...
What "burns" have they received?
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How did that someone else get your personal information?
I never agree to a contract unless I have read it, understood it, and determined that the terms are acceptable. I sometimes take my business elsewhere when presented with a contract so long that it isn't worth my while to take the time to read it.
BTW most TOS documents are not contracts.
> I guess that makes it okay, then!
Yes, it does. And, no it doesn't mean they are stupid or lazy or irresponsible. It means they are making their own choices, as is their right.
> I don't see why people would move to Diaspora. They're snobs who won't design for IE.
Interesting. Perhaps I'll try it.
Programmers program. Engineers design. And the manufacturer of the robot would be no more likely to be sued than Ford would if the kids had smashed in the side of the house with a stolen Taurus.
If the kids had found a Sawzall in the basement and used it to trash the house do you think the homeowner could hold Milwaukee Electric Tool liable?
> If they seriously believe it is patent free, why not put up a bounty?
A bounty for what? You don't find infringements by looking under rocks. Patents are public and they will already have paid some of the best patent attorneys in the world to do searches and write opinions.