It may be mature, but realize that things that are mature often become old, as well. To most people, Motif looks like arse. It also lacks a lot of the features that GTK+ and such enjoy.
Personally, I'd say that GTK+ is more standardized, in a sense. More desktops use it than motif, by far.
You're cruising along in your brand new BMW in rural Germany, heading for that oh-so-famous highway. Your windows are down, and the warn wind is blowing through your hair, as you calmly take the turns 20 miles above the speed limit. Your sterio is cranking out some good ol' industrial heavy metal. You near the end of the country club's private drive, and slow to the legal speed limit, as you turn onto the highway. You return to within 5 miles of the speed limit and sit back for the long, dull trip to your office.
Suddenly, you hit an ice patch, and your engine speed goes up a couple hundred RPM, while your speedometer needle jumps as your wheels spin without effect. The car's automatic speed monitoring system kicks in, hitting the breaks. The built in GTS system also notices that you are now heading towards the edge of a cliff - a very dangerous predicament - and tries to compensate by turning the wheels in the other direction. Unfortunately for you, that is also the opposite direction of the skid, and your car goes flying through the gaurd rail. It explodes in mid air, moments after you tuck and roll on the road's shoulder. Still laying on the road, you pull out your cell phone, and punch a number. You start to speak.
"Blast it Q, the car was sabotaged!"
"Oh, James, I appoligize. I forgot to tell you about the new features that the manufacturers required to be included. I'm an old school cronie, and I was unable to reverse engineer the protocol. Next time I'll be sure to alert you to such features."
I hate to say this, but Katz's whole thing that he likes to trump about 'geeks being special' and such really applies fairly well here. Not necessarily in a superior manner, but in the respect that people do indeed think differently.
It's not so much the games that are played, but the children that play. When I was younger, I remember playing soccer and hide and seek, as well as various other childhood games. This includes 'games' played in elementary school gym class, some of which are intended to be fun, and difficult to be considered competitive.
While some kids would have the mentality of 'I'm going to win' others, like myself, would have 'I'm going to have fun.' While I was trying my hardest to do well - not necessarily win, but just to give my best effort - and have a fun time, there would be other kids who would try to hurt the other students in order to get ahead of them, win, or whatever else their sick, twisted minds thought. If it wasn't physical abuse, it was verbal. (these kids were actually smaller than me - I was quite the gentle, eventually-quake playing kid. I still am anti-violence, but I'm a martial artist and play violent, dangerous video games. But that's another story entirely.)
At any rate, it's all on the child's mentality, I believe. As a child, nothing was ever competitive to me. Granted, I did quite well when things were competitive, but I was just doing it for fun. I think part of the problem is that America and her citizens are too fundamentally bent on 'being number one' and beating everyone else. I think part of this might have to do with America's economic and political position, but I'd say the largest part of the issue is that parents put too much emphasis in winning, and not enough in doing your individual best. Thus, why we have so much cheating in schools.
I'd agree with you on that. I'd also add that the x86 architecture is quite possibly a part of the issue - it's, shall we say, over-evolved. Motorola makes a much better designed CPU, and it's application proves it.
The point he was trying to make was that his kernel is relatively large - thus, the time difference between the -j3 and without that option would be theoretically increased from a kernel that is smaller and more modular.
He makes his point well - the benchmarks probably aren't that bogus. However, they are still bogus to an extent, and thus, well, bogus.:) It would be interesting to see a non-weighted benchmark of this type. This takes away from any actual speed that the dual board config might actually boast. For instance, now 125% increase won't seem quite as impressive as it truely is to most individuals.:)
Agreed in all of that.:) I just couldn't afford anything new, and the box was crappy enough so that I just wanted to get a whole new system instead of mess with the headache of upgrading. Besides, I believe there were multiple components damaged - hard drive, and memory. That'd not have been worth an upgrade/repair, especially since it had crappy SiS 5598 onboard video, and a Quantum Bigfoot 4gb.:(
Re: MacOS... If it's just the GUI you want in linux, then try some Ethemes.:) If you want the MacOS look w/ the programs... chances are it'll not happen for linux as a 'window manager', at least not in my suspicions. Porting their programs would probably be a hastle as well. And supporting the miriad of systems on networks would be a huge pain as well. x86 mac, ppc mac, ppc linux, *BSD (are there any versions that run on ppc? I don't use it, so....), linux x86, and the various premutations of windows (which all have problems relating to various other OSes, including themselves)....
Ok, that didn't make sence. My appoligies, but I'm not changing it. I'm sleeping, 's what I'm doing. Screw you hippies.:) (meaning no negative connotations)
The difference being, I could probably get along just fine on a 233 mac w/ OS X, while the K6 233 I had (64 meg) was somewhat slugish with KDE or GNOME (w/ icewm), and was darn near unusable with E. Windows 98 'worked' fine, but heck, the whole thing that got me into linux was that it would crash once or twice an hour; as the memory seemed to slowly die on me over a period of time (don't ask me how) that crashing became more frequent. It got to the point where windows woudln't even boot, and linux would crash about once every other hour. That's when I decided it was time to scratch the bottom of the barrel and get something a little newer.:) Granted, I never really 'went back' to windows.:)
From my experience, scientists and those associated with such things tend to be the most 'morally recessive' members of society. All of my friends that are science majors and the like tend to be athiests. While they have morals, they don't see anything sacred about human life, and don't really see humans as being any different than any other animal. If something betters society as whole, it's what's best. It may be immoral by most people's standards, but they see it as being perfectly fine, since it's the loss of a few for the good of the many. It's a general steriotype that scientific people are often overly logical, and less emotionally in touch than, say, an art major or religion major. (All, of course, coming from a colegate's perspective - but then, colegates will be the scientists of the future, so this is pertinent.)
In the light of that, I'd say that theologians, philosophers, and religous authorities would be best off deciding such things.
Pfft, you only said that to cheer him up because [fm]2 looks more like slashdot now, CmdrTaco!:)
Seriously, though. When I went to [fm] earlier today, I thought it had been vandolized by some kid. While K5 looks pretty decent in netscape, fm just looks nasty, and somewhat amateur. (If you don't believe me, I'll take a snapshot and let you be the judge. No, I am not a troll or a flamer.)
People never seem to miss the things they have until they're gone. The same thing applies here. You say the current programs have done nothing, and you're wrong. They've at least detered terrorists/commie bastards from firing missiles. You better believe that we'd be bombed/missiled off the face of this earth if we had no defenses as such.
Also realize, often the best defense is a strong offense. (A strong defensive line won't do jack for you in a football game if your offensive line is a bunch of 90lb. wusses. That is, of course, under the assumption that those 90lb. wusses don't have tasers, but that's another story entirely.)
Alan Cox could effectively be called the 'leader' of the linux kernel development. Such things as 2.4-ac3 are testimony to this. Linus just says, essentially, 'ok, I like that work, it's good enough/fits my deals enough to go in my linux kernel," which is what makes linux linux.
I was just thinking today how much I was looking forward to the next installment of Stormix while helping someone fdisk their windows partition and install Mandrake 7.2. While KDE2 looks as slick as penguin poo, I had some issues with it in general. Dependancies. This individual had found a program on freshmeat that he wanted to install, in RPM form. Ok, good so far - he doesn't have to compile it. That's a big roadblock for beginners who are used to foolish click-click-click-done installations. So, we 'rpm -Uvh' the program, and we get dependancy errors. A pain in the butt, but we get through it. But the point is, it's a huge pain - there was a tree about 3 or 4 deep of dependancies I had to pull from the CD. I couldn't just 'apt-get install libpng' (for example) I had to find everything that that paticular item needed, etc etc. It turned him off slightly.
Now, Stormix didn't really have that issue. IMO, the main issue that Stormix had was that you had no option on initial install via the penguin-poo slick GUI to install, say, more advanced programs. You had to find them on the CD afterwards and install them, and there wasn't a large array of programs available via initial install. IMNSHO, they could have simply had the 'extra' programs under a second sub-menu, say, as 'extras', or 'more programs', with a notice that the main programs would not be enough for most people, and then go on to label the 'extra' programs under a category as say, "CD Burning Tools" and install them all in that manner. I'd say that was quite possibly the biggest fallacy of Stormix, as far as usability is concerned.
I was thinking today that, if Stormix realeased, say, Stormix 2001, they would likely base it off Mandrake, but base it off of apt, possibly with their own custom db of packages. (i586, anyone? I certainly notice a huge speed difference with optimized packages.)
If that were to be done - a apt based Mandrake distro with a more sensical installer for beginners (keepin' it technical for us geeks at the same time) I think everyone could be happy. (RedHat wouldn't have much to hold to that - what got them in the lead was their RPM w/ early acceptance of X and such.)
*sigh* Well, I hope Stormix continues to be worked on by someone. If for no other reason, that boot logo was tatz.;)
Yeah, that's basically it. The understanding was implied - my appoligies.:) Basically, with this device and being able to hook it to a monitor, you'd have the hi-res of hdtv for a fraction of the price, with a bit more functionality. (say, grab a 21" monitor - still cheaper by quite a bit, and you could hook up all your things like PSX, etc through your VCR, which is connected to said device.) I personally don't have a TV, but I'd certainly prefer this sort of arrangement over a TV-only 1k$ HDTV. (Heck, hook up one of those nice LCD projectors from compaq - oh yeah!)
In the same respect, a good TV tuner would, IMO, be preferable to a hdtv. hdtv's seem to be aimed at those who are not technically savvy enough to mess w/ these things. (computers, etc)
If this is incoherent, I appoligize. 7 minutes till class, and still have to run across campus.:)
basically, you're being paid to not go off and do stuff that'd damage your former employer, competition-wise.
This whole idea is messed up. Commercialism is based off of competition - it's a good thing that makes everything better. MS is just hurting the Industry, in the long run, by killing off everyone else. Competition makes everyone's products better. The strong survive, and the weak eats it and die.
If a company can indeed survive without healthy competition (which MS is doing) then it proves they're a monopoly. (For instance, my dad has a 'monopoly' on engineering services in our town - there's really nobody else to compete, but there are other people doing the same thing. Note, there are other firms around and about, and they all go to the different towns for business, so it's not quite the same.) On the scale that MS has a monopoly, though... it's bad juju.
This is something that everybody seems to at least be subconciously aware about, but doesn't truely realize how bad it is - things like monitors, flatscreens, or up-close books are incredibly bad for our vision. Monitors (at least the CRT type) because there is nothing concrete for our eyes to focus on - they're focusing on 'empty space', and not a solid object. LCDs and the such, a little bit less so. something like a HUD is just bad news for general computing. I can see something small like that on a one-eye visor type device, say, maybe, for in class instruction, with the student's class assignments, or various other things, but never for something as widely used as general computing, viewing the web, etc. The individual would lose much of their visual acuity, quickly.
I'd say that, polution and available oil asside, this makes other forms of energy production look all the more favorable - say, nuclear. Sure, there's huge paranoia around it. So put the plant(s) in the (ant)arctic.:) Fision (did I spell that correctly?), when/if it comes about, will pretty much solve these issues. Won't it be nice to have as much power as was generated by a power plant in the 50's at your disposal? Pretty much everything will be possible - space travel, mobile computing w/o batteries, etc...
I didn't find them disapointing, per se. I finished them, and I was 'satisfied' (for all 4 or so times I've read them). But it's like a good desert - you want more, and you feel as if there's more story to be had. Not totally conclusive. While it makes the book possibly feel incomplete, I feel that it was a good thing - it allows for creativity in the minds of the readers, and has led to a lot of good fan art/stories.
I think the reason we, the UNIX/linux geeks like Tolkien and such RPG's is because it awakens our heritage of warrior blood from better years gone by, where our ancestors battled the heathen hordes.
Or something along those lines. I know that it awakens my more adventerous Viking and Trapper blood.
You forget - he mentioned the child was interested in designing an OS and learning Java. For one, Java is a masochistic language. It's evil and ugly. Second, designing and OS isn't exactly, shall we say, 'exciting' for most people. It's a fairly tedious task of precision. This kid is probably too intelligent to even want to do 'fun' things that are more simplistic. The reason they're fun for most people, is because they're not a difficult task in general. For this kid, it seems like writing a microkernel would be a 'simple' task. Thus, fun.
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Personally, I'd say that GTK+ is more standardized, in a sense. More desktops use it than motif, by far.
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Suddenly, you hit an ice patch, and your engine speed goes up a couple hundred RPM, while your speedometer needle jumps as your wheels spin without effect. The car's automatic speed monitoring system kicks in, hitting the breaks. The built in GTS system also notices that you are now heading towards the edge of a cliff - a very dangerous predicament - and tries to compensate by turning the wheels in the other direction. Unfortunately for you, that is also the opposite direction of the skid, and your car goes flying through the gaurd rail. It explodes in mid air, moments after you tuck and roll on the road's shoulder. Still laying on the road, you pull out your cell phone, and punch a number. You start to speak.
"Blast it Q, the car was sabotaged!"
"Oh, James, I appoligize. I forgot to tell you about the new features that the manufacturers required to be included. I'm an old school cronie, and I was unable to reverse engineer the protocol. Next time I'll be sure to alert you to such features."
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It's not so much the games that are played, but the children that play. When I was younger, I remember playing soccer and hide and seek, as well as various other childhood games. This includes 'games' played in elementary school gym class, some of which are intended to be fun, and difficult to be considered competitive.
While some kids would have the mentality of 'I'm going to win' others, like myself, would have 'I'm going to have fun.' While I was trying my hardest to do well - not necessarily win, but just to give my best effort - and have a fun time, there would be other kids who would try to hurt the other students in order to get ahead of them, win, or whatever else their sick, twisted minds thought. If it wasn't physical abuse, it was verbal. (these kids were actually smaller than me - I was quite the gentle, eventually-quake playing kid. I still am anti-violence, but I'm a martial artist and play violent, dangerous video games. But that's another story entirely.) At any rate, it's all on the child's mentality, I believe. As a child, nothing was ever competitive to me. Granted, I did quite well when things were competitive, but I was just doing it for fun. I think part of the problem is that America and her citizens are too fundamentally bent on 'being number one' and beating everyone else. I think part of this might have to do with America's economic and political position, but I'd say the largest part of the issue is that parents put too much emphasis in winning, and not enough in doing your individual best. Thus, why we have so much cheating in schools.
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No, I don't like Macs. At least those with OS X.
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He makes his point well - the benchmarks probably aren't that bogus. However, they are still bogus to an extent, and thus, well, bogus. :) It would be interesting to see a non-weighted benchmark of this type. This takes away from any actual speed that the dual board config might actually boast. For instance, now 125% increase won't seem quite as impressive as it truely is to most individuals. :)
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Re: MacOS... If it's just the GUI you want in linux, then try some Ethemes. :) If you want the MacOS look w/ the programs... chances are it'll not happen for linux as a 'window manager', at least not in my suspicions. Porting their programs would probably be a hastle as well. And supporting the miriad of systems on networks would be a huge pain as well. x86 mac, ppc mac, ppc linux, *BSD (are there any versions that run on ppc? I don't use it, so....), linux x86, and the various premutations of windows (which all have problems relating to various other OSes, including themselves)....
Ok, that didn't make sence. My appoligies, but I'm not changing it. I'm sleeping, 's what I'm doing. Screw you hippies. :) (meaning no negative connotations)
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In the light of that, I'd say that theologians, philosophers, and religous authorities would be best off deciding such things.
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Seriously, though. When I went to [fm] earlier today, I thought it had been vandolized by some kid. While K5 looks pretty decent in netscape, fm just looks nasty, and somewhat amateur. (If you don't believe me, I'll take a snapshot and let you be the judge. No, I am not a troll or a flamer.)
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Also realize, often the best defense is a strong offense. (A strong defensive line won't do jack for you in a football game if your offensive line is a bunch of 90lb. wusses. That is, of course, under the assumption that those 90lb. wusses don't have tasers, but that's another story entirely.)
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Now, Stormix didn't really have that issue. IMO, the main issue that Stormix had was that you had no option on initial install via the penguin-poo slick GUI to install, say, more advanced programs. You had to find them on the CD afterwards and install them, and there wasn't a large array of programs available via initial install. IMNSHO, they could have simply had the 'extra' programs under a second sub-menu, say, as 'extras', or 'more programs', with a notice that the main programs would not be enough for most people, and then go on to label the 'extra' programs under a category as say, "CD Burning Tools" and install them all in that manner. I'd say that was quite possibly the biggest fallacy of Stormix, as far as usability is concerned.
I was thinking today that, if Stormix realeased, say, Stormix 2001, they would likely base it off Mandrake, but base it off of apt, possibly with their own custom db of packages. (i586, anyone? I certainly notice a huge speed difference with optimized packages.)
If that were to be done - a apt based Mandrake distro with a more sensical installer for beginners (keepin' it technical for us geeks at the same time) I think everyone could be happy. (RedHat wouldn't have much to hold to that - what got them in the lead was their RPM w/ early acceptance of X and such.)
*sigh* Well, I hope Stormix continues to be worked on by someone. If for no other reason, that boot logo was tatz. ;)
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In the same respect, a good TV tuner would, IMO, be preferable to a hdtv. hdtv's seem to be aimed at those who are not technically savvy enough to mess w/ these things. (computers, etc)
If this is incoherent, I appoligize. 7 minutes till class, and still have to run across campus. :)
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This whole idea is messed up. Commercialism is based off of competition - it's a good thing that makes everything better. MS is just hurting the Industry, in the long run, by killing off everyone else. Competition makes everyone's products better. The strong survive, and the weak eats it and die. If a company can indeed survive without healthy competition (which MS is doing) then it proves they're a monopoly. (For instance, my dad has a 'monopoly' on engineering services in our town - there's really nobody else to compete, but there are other people doing the same thing. Note, there are other firms around and about, and they all go to the different towns for business, so it's not quite the same.) On the scale that MS has a monopoly, though... it's bad juju.
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It's not even factually concurrent with LotR.
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Or something along those lines. I know that it awakens my more adventerous Viking and Trapper blood.
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