As if I weren't already awair that they just carted off the last of the EV1's, Now I have to go over to slashdot of all places and read all of this crazy Bull Shit. On/. God help us. we're smegin doomed.
- "My Echo gets 3mpg less than a Prius" (sic) Sure it does, if you drive half the speed.
- "couldn't possibly get insurance on a vehicle who's brakes can - "not be replaced due to the part not being available" (sic) There's nothing wrong with the brakes, I quote "electronic brakes" ie regen brakes via the Motor, it surely still has a duel-zone Hydralic system and standard brake rotors and pads! ( required by law )
- "but all this does is shift the pollution elsewhere." Tell me, Have you ever tried to drill & process oil from your back yard? Well, It's entirely feasable to collect your own "solar" (wind, hydro, pv) energy via the roof of your house and drive this car with ZERO oil.
- "See here [xtronics.com] for energy densities of various materials." Yes, but an ICE only yields 20% of that energy, BEV's yield 80-90%! BTW. Did you include to discovery, drilling, processing, and calaratal damage (I mean cost) of the gassoline that you pump into your car?
- "According to GM, there where only 50 people committed to buying" SIC SIC SIC That's total nonesense, even today there were at least 78 individules willing to buy them as salvaged vehicles, and GM finally admitted that there were several thousand people on waiting lists. They even refused to sell ONE EV1 to Jay Leno for a cool Million. BTW. There's a 1 in 25 chance that you happen to live in a state where these cars were "Available". I don't call that trying to sell them.
- "After about 10 minutes, a fully changed car was almost dead." SIC SIC SIC SIC TOTAL NASTY SMELLY RUNNY GREEN BULL SHIT ! You would have to be burning off the energy at a rate near 120kW. CONTINUOUSLY! That means you ran it up to a brick wall and then spun the tires, HELL even that wouldn't work, you'de have to..... I rented and drove a GEN 1 Lead-Acis version 110 miles in LA! I also had it SOLD! in less than 3 hours! GM LIES, and the LIES MORE.
- "I wonder if they just made them inoperable (to avoid liability - "concerns) and sold them as collectable on ebay " Funny you should ask, all the ones that went to musiems and universities were "severly disabled", ie:no run, prior to the donation. Empty Shells.
ONE thing is certin, GM sure as hell wants to make sure that noone who hasn't already driven one of these cars will EVER get the chance.
If I were an advanced (even as young as ourselves) civalization one of my first space projects would be to beam as much of my accumulated knowledge out into the vastness of the universe.
So it seems reasonable (to me) that such inteligent life might setup a system such as a three satalite transmitter that would far outlast even it's own limited lifespan.
So a single object orbiting an earth-like planet at 90 minute intervals would go behind the planet at some point, no? So make that three orbiting objects and you have your continuous ~30 minutes of dopler per 90 minutes of orbit.
Just another small piece of the big puzzle.
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Well, I'm glad to see one more piece of the puzzle come to light, or loose some light as it were.
I would link this directly to global warming,
due to CO2 emissions. More CO2 equals more greenhouse effect, more evaporation, more cloud cover, less surface light. Those cloudes sure do help keep in the heat. Here in my big city it warms up durring the day, but if there is no cloud cover the temp drops like a rock at night.
Our lack of cloud cover is unusual, and may seem contrary to the expected trend, but keep in mind that global warming doesn't mean that it will be warmer, just different.
Consider that I once heard stories of blizzards in my grandfathers and fathers time, and I experenced a few in my childhood. But there hasn't been much snow to speak of lately.
Keep in mind that humanities effects are just a part, a small part, of a very large system.
We have unnaturally been removing astonishing ammounts of oil and coal for the past 100 years.
All those billions of tons of Fossil-Fuels
we have converted into mostly CO2.
We have Deforested much of our planet, reducint the available carbon sinks.
We have contributed already to the extinction of thousands of species whose roles we many never know.
But there are other factors, which are entirely out of our control.
We are long overdue for our scheduled Ice-Age.
We are beginning to experience a shift of our magnetic pole, which is also overdue.
Meteors are sure to strike our planet, as they have many times in the past.
There can be no doubt that we have become a major player with respect to our environment.
No other animal has so dramaticly manipulated it's surroundings. Only time will tell if we will survive the rapidly approaching changes.
I for one would like to see us colonize the moon in an attempt to develope technologies to better sustain a closed environment. From there we can try our hand at living on other space rocks. Our only hope in the very long run is to
leave earth just to be sure we will survive catastrophic events that are sure to hinder life on earth.
We also need to stop burning so much darn dino-war-fuel. There are alternatives available today, we just need to recognize and utilize them.
L8r Ryan
PS.
Keep in mind that our Earth is a closed system,
with the exception of the energy we recieve from
our great burning fision reactor in the sky.
humm how about we put yet another twist on this, why don't we consider the ammount of solar energy that was used to create the fossil fuels!?
Now compair that to the ammount of energy captured with PV or Wind and I believe the ammount of energy that went into creating the oil far outweighs the ammount of energy in the oil. I'm going to be VERY nice and consider that it only takes twice as much energy to create the oil, so now it takes some 70,000 kwh to ceate the oil, that only contains 36,000 kwh of energy. Frankely I think it takes an exponentially greater ammount of energy to make oil than the oil itself contains. Something allong the lines of millions of kwh's per final gallon.
Solar and PV are simple! Sun burns Hydrogen and gives off radiation. Radiation is converted directly into Electricity by a PV. Or Radiation warms the earth, creating weather patterns, and wind which drive wind turbins. Or you can grow a massive heap of plants and wait a few million years for it to be converted into long hydrogen chains. To top off this Wastefull process, burn it releasing 80% of the stored energy as heat, while putting a meer 20% to work on the road.
Next point, I gave examples of the effeciency of an Insight, Average car, and an SUV. Then pointed out that the figures included only passanger vehicles. Which in this day and age Includes SUVs, Since some idiots choose to do their daily commute, alone, in a huge empty truck. (Trucks and SUV's are for DOING WORK PPL! Towing Boats, Hauling Lumber, Playing in the MUD!)
Each Day, America converts PSCCO,US DOE,EIA
360,000,000 gallons of gasoline into 7,500,000,000 lbs carbon dioxide,
369,000,000 lbs carbon monoxide,
47,000,000 lbs hydrocarbons,
24,000,000 lbs nitrogen oxides,
1,000,000 lbs particulate matter, 7,500,000,000 miles are driven @ 20.83 mpg for passenger vehicles only, not including the higher emissions of heavy transport or diesel.
1 Gallon of Gas contains 132x10^6 joules of energy, equivalent to 125,000 BTU, 36.650 kwh(kilo-watt-hours), 31,000 food calories.
A 70mpg Hybrid sips 0.52 kwh/mile, the average 20mpg car uses 1.76 kwh/mile and The Hummer H2 wastes 3.7 kwh/mile or more.
Electric Vehicles use from 0.2 to 0.6 kwh/mile, that's up to 18 times more efficient. EV Album
7.5 Billion miles at 0.4 kwh/mile is just 3,000 Giga-Watt-Hours, as compared to 13,000 GWH. 23% as much power.
America currently produces 27.3 Giga-Watts-Hours per day with wind power alone.AWEA
Humm, seems to me that the root of the problem is that the general public, business, and industry is dependant on "the grid"(like duh). What I mean is each of us is dependant on power generation and delivery systems which are out of our individule control.(ok, so)...
Please keep in mind that had we spoke in person you would not have had the opportunity to observe my poor spelling, it's my message and not my grammer that you aught pay attention to.
To demonstrate, smaller co-op type wind farms would place more of the power generation in closer proximity to the loads. Reducing vulnerability to falures at the generation sources and transmission grid(s). They would provide jobs in construction and maintainance, and stabalize prices for power from a near-constant, free, renewable, and clean source.
Rather than investing in more Dirty Coal fireing plants that rob us all of our non-renewable natural resources; Instead of pushing the envelope with contriversal nuclear power, how about simply start utilizing our existing fision reactor, The Sun, in more direct methods? Such as Solar, which is about as direct as you can get at ~20% effeciency. Wind is probably the best solution powered near-directly by the sun aswell. Hydro-electric is already being extensively utilized, relying on the evaporative powers of the sun to circulate water to the highest peaks. If you think about it, coal and oil resources are also powered by the sun, which grew the plants that eventually turned into "fosil"-fuels. I wonder just how effecient this very-non-direct use of sunlight is. My guess, about 0.02% or less. Even Solar power starts to look a whole lot better put this way.
Or how about smarter tansportation that would actually Help correct this and many other problems that we are currently facing (Oil dependency, pollution, corruption, wars)...
This T-Zero and other Electric Vehicles could aid grid overloading, utilize nightly power over-production provide clean reliable and FUN daily transportation producing zero emmissions and using zero oil. period. Check out their White Papers. and What's New area (especially the ev-based vehicle-to-grid demonstration project)!
I know it's a little pricy, how about the GM EV1 with an MSRP of less than $40K, in low volume production (Oh ya, if it had ever been for sale). There we go, More Jobs again... And Imagin how the cost would come down if we built 100,000 of them here at home.
And for all of you that are going to diss on electric cars, keep in mind that you know nothing about them. They have power and range, and are very effecient at 80% to 90% from the outlet. Batteries are recyclable and safe.
Hybrids are not Electric cars. Gas cars are brute force machines, their ICE's only push, Friction breaks slow them down. Hybrids are the "Missing Links". They Push just the same, but are capable of "Recycling Kinetic Energy", however all power originates from the gassoline. EV's are the Answer, The Push even harder, Regenerate Better, use about 1/4 the energy, and produce Zero Emissions. Infinite MPG.
To Bring this full circle, I can make my own electricity, and more of us should. It shines down on us each day and blows above our homes durring each of our lifetimes. Build something usefull to our children, not more problems.
L8r
Ryan
Starve a terrorist, drive an electric vehicle.
I love plugging in! Do you like pumping gas?
Would you drive your car if the exhaust came out of the steering wheel?
Battery Dangers: Actually, the batteries that they use I believe are AGM PbA. That's absorbent glass-mat Lead Acid. So there really is no liquid to spill. I have even heard of these types of batteries having holes shot clean through them, even then they would still start a truck. http://www.optimabatteries.com/
Polution Shifting: The Grid has an "abundance" of power at night. Even with 20,000 EV's charging in the evening here would still be no need to "fire up" any additional power facilities.
An Electric Vehicle lends itself to the "Option" of clean recharging. I could, and would, invest in wind or solar power at my house to suplament the charging of my EV! But I can never refine my own Gassoline. Well, Maybe Bio-Desal. The "Shifting of the Polution" to a power plant is a flat out lie, do some research. We already have the best Fusion Reactor available, The Sun, Let's start using it! Limited Range: Honestly, how far do you drive in one day? I drive a lot, 500 miles a week. So 80 Miles a day is just enough range for me. The average commuter drives less than 25 miles each way. Even if your commute were 80 miles you could charge at work. The best way to reduce oil dependancy and the related political and environmental issues is to not use any at all. Battery Life: There is the nagging problem of battery life. Two to Three years is average in an EV. More if you keep the DOD(Depth of Discharge) low. Less if you follow through with the nagging desire to smoke Vipers. (Which it will do!) The funny thing is, that the "Clean Fuel Cell" cars we are being prommissed are the same as a BEV, but with Hydrogen and Fuel Cells as opposed to Batteries.
Safety: Every car is dangerous, Large vehicles are more dangerous to those arround them. I'de feel much safer in the Tango's roll cage than I do on my Motorcycle. Unfortunently crash testing is rather expensive, not to mention crumpeling up a perfectly good car. I'de take my chances in a Tango.
Effeciency and Reliablilty: The Effeciency of an EV can simply not be beat. 90% to charge the Batts. 90% from Batts to the pavement. Were I to invest a few $??K into PV or Wind to recharge, I'de be looking at a lifetime refueling cost of $0, with 0 Pollution, and 0 non-renewable fuel used.
Motors and Engions. How many parts are there in an ICE? Hundreads if not Thousands! How about in an Electric Motor? Just one, the armature! Which do you think will break first? And how about all those oil changes and coolent? The Auto Industry doesn't like the EV Idea because there is nothing to service. Ever seen an add for the GM EV1? No. I wonder why?
Power: The simple truth of the matter is that an electric motor can produce far more power per weight than any ICE could ever hope to. An electric motor produces full torque throught it's RPM range, unlike an ICE which only produced it's rated HP output only durring it's power band. Electrics move Trains, Large Boats, and Huge Construction equiptment, Why Not My Car? Effeciency: My Honda Insight, the Most effecient of gas burners can not even achieve 30% effeciency. Think of all the heat going out the tail pipe. That is not to mention the drilling, refineing, and transportation costs and effeciency losses.
On a side note: The current administrations "plan" for our new "Hydrogen Economy" would extract the majority of it's H2 from petrolium. Rather than Investing in truely clean new sources of power like PV, Wind, Tidal, and Hydro to crack water. Extracting H2 & Oxygen from water is simple, though not very efficient it could (SHOULD) be done at home, negating the need for a new Hydrogen Infrastructure. Which BTW is already nearly in place in the form of natural gas lines. Some people simply have a difficult time relenquishing control, Humm Hum.
Well, Enough of the TRUTH from me.
Those of you shooting off nonsense need to do some research and then come to your own conclusions.
not everyone see's the Matrix like reality that the future will bring. I'm thinking that I would have gone mad years ago without my digital toys, a machine that I could shape into whatever form i saw fit, like legos of the make believe mind. if you ever talked to a regular citizen of the world about a big computer prodject you were working on they would kinna smile and nod, not knowing what you were talking about. and it's not their fault. computers are to complex for any one person to fully understand. and untill they are simple to use, and i mean SIMPLE, everyone else is going to miss out. so, in conclusion...
The digital age will not be untill the geeks find a way to get everyone involved.
Imagine the effeciency and proper spelling! This new machine cannot be built upon political, economic, or business models (BECAUSE THEY DON"T WORK)
... Stop The Insanity.. . Think about it L8r Dolio
As we all know in the movie The Matrix, AI somehow came to destroy humanity. This is what many of us fear AI will become. I'de like to point out that we usuaily get out of technology what we put into it. If you are Micro$oft, you put crap into your os, you get crap out of your os. If we design AI as a weapon, I have NO DOUBT that AI will destroy us. So, I believe we should take great care to avoid creating destructive systems, but rather systems that are friendly. Construction systems like the NASAs robot snakes, automotive safety systems, explorers, harvesters, educational systems, and such.
AI devices need not be concerned with power or money of world dominance.
And I don't believe Microsoft is Evil, if only they cared about their customers, like that care about their stockholders.
$0.02 - Please overlook my spelling and gramatical errors... you get the idea i think.
I always thought that the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE was a beautiful document, worthy of being labeled art, and now perhaps helping define a new age of, art?
why limit it's potential by calling it art, the new soul humanity has been searching for.
perhaps we'll find god there. am I getting carried away? I can see it, some don't even try.
Peace Dolio
ps- could someone clean up this code for me ?;) #!/bin/sh # You Get the idea. # comet="0" earth="1" Current_Definition="Open-Source Linux Science God Mind Soul Reality yadda_yadda" # until [ $comet = $earth ] ; do for Attempt in $Current_Definition ; do echo $Attempt, Such a Grand Tool, will we learn to use it ? done done echo you lose, try again. # ##
all I can say is, thanx for the ride. it was fun, and many of us could still use the machine;) too bad about the memory thing, big nod on the swap space situation. It can be the difference between breaking early, (as it were) and grinding on through the insanity. maybe y2k just needed more ram all this time:P
just wanted to point out that as the y2k is beta, Linux is under constant revision, not a flaw, but an advantage, me thinks.
Slashdot Mirror
What the hell are you trying to do? Kill me?
/. God help us. we're smegin doomed.
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As if I weren't already awair that they just carted off the last of
the EV1's, Now I have to go over to slashdot of all places and read
all of this crazy Bull Shit. On
(A Friend of mine) wrote:
> http://science.slashdot.org/science/05/03/16/1992
What the hell am I supposed to do:
- "My Echo gets 3mpg less than a Prius" (sic)
Sure it does, if you drive half the speed.
- "couldn't possibly get insurance on a vehicle who's brakes can
- "not be replaced due to the part not being available" (sic)
There's nothing wrong with the brakes, I quote "electronic brakes" ie
regen brakes via the Motor, it surely still has a duel-zone Hydralic
system and standard brake rotors and pads! ( required by law )
- "but all this does is shift the pollution elsewhere."
Tell me, Have you ever tried to drill & process oil from your back yard?
Well, It's entirely feasable to collect your own "solar" (wind, hydro,
pv) energy via the roof of your house and drive this car with ZERO oil.
- "See here [xtronics.com] for energy densities of various materials."
Yes, but an ICE only yields 20% of that energy, BEV's yield 80-90%!
BTW. Did you include to discovery, drilling, processing, and calaratal
damage (I mean cost) of the gassoline that you pump into your car?
- "According to GM, there where only 50 people committed to buying"
SIC SIC SIC That's total nonesense, even today there were at least
78 individules willing to buy them as salvaged vehicles, and GM finally
admitted that there were several thousand people on waiting lists.
They even refused to sell ONE EV1 to Jay Leno for a cool Million.
BTW. There's a 1 in 25 chance that you happen to live in a state where
these cars were "Available". I don't call that trying to sell them.
- "After about 10 minutes, a fully changed car was almost dead."
SIC SIC SIC SIC TOTAL NASTY SMELLY RUNNY GREEN BULL SHIT !
You would have to be burning off the energy at a rate near 120kW.
CONTINUOUSLY! That means you ran it up to a brick wall and then
spun the tires, HELL even that wouldn't work, you'de have to.....
I rented and drove a GEN 1 Lead-Acis version 110 miles in LA!
I also had it SOLD! in less than 3 hours! GM LIES, and the LIES MORE.
- "I wonder if they just made them inoperable (to avoid liability
- "concerns) and sold them as collectable on ebay "
Funny you should ask, all the ones that went to musiems and universities
were "severly disabled", ie:no run, prior to the donation. Empty Shells.
ONE thing is certin, GM sure as hell wants to make sure that noone who
hasn't already driven one of these cars will EVER get the chance.
L8r
Ryan
If I were an advanced (even as young as ourselves) civalization one of my first space projects would be
to beam as much of my accumulated knowledge out into the vastness of the universe.
So it seems reasonable (to me) that such inteligent life might setup a system such as a three satalite transmitter that would far outlast even it's own limited lifespan.
So a single object orbiting an earth-like planet at 90 minute intervals would go behind the planet at some point, no?
So make that three orbiting objects and you have your continuous ~30 minutes of dopler per 90 minutes of orbit.
Well, I'm glad to see one more piece of the puzzle come to light, or loose some light as it were.
I would link this directly to global warming, due to CO2 emissions. More CO2 equals more greenhouse effect, more evaporation, more cloud cover, less surface light. Those cloudes sure do help keep in the heat. Here in my big city it warms up durring the day, but if there is no cloud cover the temp drops like a rock at night. Our lack of cloud cover is unusual, and may seem contrary to the expected trend, but keep in mind that global warming doesn't mean that it will be warmer, just different.
Consider that I once heard stories of blizzards in my grandfathers and fathers time, and I experenced a few in my childhood. But there hasn't been much snow to speak of lately.
Keep in mind that humanities effects are just a part, a small part, of a very large system.
We have unnaturally been removing astonishing ammounts of oil and coal for the past 100 years.
All those billions of tons of Fossil-Fuels we have converted into mostly CO2.
We have Deforested much of our planet, reducint the available carbon sinks.
We have contributed already to the extinction of thousands of species whose roles we many never know.
But there are other factors, which are entirely out of our control.
We are long overdue for our scheduled Ice-Age.
We are beginning to experience a shift of our magnetic pole, which is also overdue.
Meteors are sure to strike our planet, as they have many times in the past.
There can be no doubt that we have become a major player with respect to our environment. No other animal has so dramaticly manipulated it's surroundings. Only time will tell if we will survive the rapidly approaching changes.
I for one would like to see us colonize the moon in an attempt to develope technologies to better sustain a closed environment. From there we can try our hand at living on other space rocks. Our only hope in the very long run is to leave earth just to be sure we will survive catastrophic events that are sure to hinder life on earth.
We also need to stop burning so much darn dino-war-fuel. There are alternatives available today, we just need to recognize and utilize them.
L8r
Ryan
PS.
Keep in mind that our Earth is a closed system,
with the exception of the energy we recieve from
our great burning fision reactor in the sky.
humm how about we put yet another twist on this, why don't we consider the ammount of solar energy that was used to create the fossil fuels!?
Now compair that to the ammount of energy captured with PV or Wind and I believe the ammount of energy that went into creating the oil far outweighs the ammount of energy in the oil. I'm going to be VERY nice and consider that it only takes twice as much energy to create the oil, so now it takes some 70,000 kwh to ceate the oil, that only contains 36,000 kwh of energy.
Frankely I think it takes an exponentially greater ammount of energy to make oil than the oil itself contains. Something allong the lines of millions of kwh's per final gallon.
Solar and PV are simple!
Sun burns Hydrogen and gives off radiation.
Radiation is converted directly into Electricity by a PV.
Or Radiation warms the earth, creating weather patterns, and wind which drive wind turbins.
Or you can grow a massive heap of plants and wait a few million years for it to be converted into long hydrogen chains.
To top off this Wastefull process, burn it releasing 80% of the stored energy as heat, while putting a meer 20% to work on the road.
Next point, I gave examples of the effeciency of an Insight, Average car, and an SUV. Then pointed out that the figures included only passanger vehicles.
Which in this day and age Includes SUVs, Since some idiots choose to do their daily commute, alone, in a huge empty truck.
(Trucks and SUV's are for DOING WORK PPL! Towing Boats, Hauling Lumber, Playing in the MUD!)
Each Day, America converts PSCCO,US DOE,EIA
360,000,000 gallons of gasoline into
7,500,000,000 lbs carbon dioxide,
369,000,000 lbs carbon monoxide,
47,000,000 lbs hydrocarbons,
24,000,000 lbs nitrogen oxides,
1,000,000 lbs particulate matter,
7,500,000,000 miles are driven @ 20.83 mpg
for passenger vehicles only, not including the
higher emissions of heavy transport or diesel.
L8r
Ryan
Humm, seems to me that the root of the problem is that the general public, business, and industry is dependant on "the grid"(like duh). What I mean is each of us is dependant on power generation and delivery systems which are out of our individule control.(ok, so)...
Please keep in mind that had we spoke in person you would not have had the opportunity to observe my poor spelling, it's my message and not my grammer that you aught pay attention to.
To demonstrate, smaller co-op type wind farms would place more of the power generation in closer proximity to the loads. Reducing vulnerability to falures at the generation sources and transmission grid(s). They would provide jobs in construction and maintainance, and stabalize prices for power from a near-constant, free, renewable, and clean source.
Rather than investing in more Dirty Coal fireing plants that rob us all of our non-renewable natural resources; Instead of pushing the envelope with contriversal nuclear power, how about simply start utilizing our existing fision reactor, The Sun, in more direct methods? Such as Solar, which is about as direct as you can get at ~20% effeciency. Wind is probably the best solution powered near-directly by the sun aswell. Hydro-electric is already being extensively utilized, relying on the evaporative powers of the sun to circulate water to the highest peaks. If you think about it, coal and oil resources are also powered by the sun, which grew the plants that eventually turned into "fosil"-fuels. I wonder just how effecient this very-non-direct use of sunlight is. My guess, about 0.02% or less. Even Solar power starts to look a whole lot better put this way.
Or how about smarter tansportation that would actually Help correct this and many other problems that we are currently facing (Oil dependency, pollution, corruption, wars)... This T-Zero and other Electric Vehicles could aid grid overloading, utilize nightly power over-production provide clean reliable and FUN daily transportation producing zero emmissions and using zero oil. period. Check out their White Papers. and What's New area (especially the ev-based vehicle-to-grid demonstration project)! I know it's a little pricy, how about the GM EV1 with an MSRP of less than $40K, in low volume production (Oh ya, if it had ever been for sale). There we go, More Jobs again... And Imagin how the cost would come down if we built 100,000 of them here at home.
And for all of you that are going to diss on electric cars, keep in mind that you know nothing about them. They have power and range, and are very effecient at 80% to 90% from the outlet. Batteries are recyclable and safe.
Hybrids are not Electric cars. Gas cars are brute force machines, their ICE's only push, Friction breaks slow them down. Hybrids are the "Missing Links". They Push just the same, but are capable of "Recycling Kinetic Energy", however all power originates from the gassoline. EV's are the Answer, The Push even harder, Regenerate Better, use about 1/4 the energy, and produce Zero Emissions. Infinite MPG.
To Bring this full circle, I can make my own electricity, and more of us should. It shines down on us each day and blows above our homes durring each of our lifetimes. Build something usefull to our children, not more problems.
L8r
Ryan
Battery Dangers:
Actually, the batteries that they use I believe are AGM PbA. That's absorbent glass-mat Lead Acid. So there really is no liquid to spill. I have even heard of these types of batteries having holes shot clean through them, even then they would still start a truck.
http://www.optimabatteries.com/
Polution Shifting:
The Grid has an "abundance" of power at night. Even with 20,000 EV's charging in the evening
here would still be no need to "fire up" any additional power facilities.
An Electric Vehicle lends itself to the "Option" of clean recharging. I could, and would, invest in wind or solar power at my house to suplament the charging of my EV! But I can never refine my own Gassoline. Well, Maybe Bio-Desal.
The "Shifting of the Polution" to a power plant is a flat out lie, do some research. We already have the best Fusion Reactor available, The Sun, Let's start using it!
Limited Range:
Honestly, how far do you drive in one day? I drive a lot, 500 miles a week. So 80 Miles a day is just enough range for me. The average commuter drives less than 25 miles each way. Even if your commute were 80 miles you could charge at work. The best way to reduce oil dependancy and the related political and environmental issues is to not use any at all.
Battery Life:
There is the nagging problem of battery life. Two to Three years is average in an EV. More if you keep the DOD(Depth of Discharge) low. Less if you follow through with the nagging desire to smoke Vipers. (Which it will do!) The funny thing is, that the "Clean Fuel Cell" cars we are being prommissed are the same as a BEV, but with Hydrogen and Fuel Cells as opposed to Batteries.
Safety:
Every car is dangerous, Large vehicles are more dangerous to those arround them. I'de feel much safer in the Tango's roll cage than I do on my Motorcycle. Unfortunently crash testing is rather expensive, not to mention crumpeling up a perfectly good car. I'de take my chances in a Tango.
Effeciency and Reliablilty:
The Effeciency of an EV can simply not be beat. 90% to charge the Batts. 90% from Batts to the pavement. Were I to invest a few $??K into PV or Wind to recharge, I'de be looking at a lifetime refueling cost of $0, with 0 Pollution, and 0 non-renewable fuel used.
Motors and Engions. How many parts are there in an ICE? Hundreads if not Thousands! How about in an Electric Motor? Just one, the armature! Which do you think will break first? And how about all those oil changes and coolent? The Auto Industry doesn't like the EV Idea because there is nothing to service. Ever seen an add for the GM EV1? No. I wonder why?
Power:
The simple truth of the matter is that an electric motor can produce far more power per weight than any ICE could ever hope to. An electric motor produces full torque throught it's RPM range, unlike an ICE which only produced it's rated HP output only durring it's power band.
Electrics move Trains, Large Boats, and Huge Construction equiptment, Why Not My Car?
Effeciency:
My Honda Insight, the Most effecient of gas burners can not even achieve 30% effeciency. Think of all the heat going out the tail pipe. That is not to mention the drilling, refineing, and transportation costs and effeciency losses.
On a side note: The current administrations "plan" for our new "Hydrogen Economy" would extract the majority of it's H2 from petrolium. Rather than Investing in truely clean new sources of power like PV, Wind, Tidal, and Hydro to crack water.
Extracting H2 & Oxygen from water is simple, though not very efficient it could (SHOULD) be done at home, negating the need for a new Hydrogen Infrastructure. Which BTW is already nearly in place in the form of natural gas lines. Some people simply have a difficult time relenquishing control, Humm Hum.
Well, Enough of the TRUTH from me.
Those of you shooting off nonsense need to do some research and then come to your own conclusions.
Those that already have, thanX
Oh Man, That car is so freaking hot!
Have you seen the videos?
That thing smoked a Porsches even with it's parking break on!
L8r
Ryan
not everyone see's the Matrix like reality that the future will bring. I'm thinking that I would have gone mad years ago without my digital toys, a machine that I could shape into whatever form i saw fit, like legos of the make believe mind. if you ever talked to a regular citizen of the world about a big computer prodject you were working on they would kinna smile and nod, not knowing what you were talking about. and it's not their fault. computers are to complex for any one person to fully understand. and untill they are simple to use, and i mean SIMPLE, everyone else is going to miss out. so, in conclusion...
.. Stop The Insanity.. . Think about it
The digital age will not be untill the geeks find a way to get everyone involved.
Imagine the effeciency and proper spelling! This new machine cannot be built upon political, economic, or business models (BECAUSE THEY DON"T WORK)
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L8r
Dolio
As we all know in the movie The Matrix, AI somehow came to destroy humanity. This is what many of us fear AI will become. I'de like to point out that we usuaily get out of technology what we put into it. If you are Micro$oft, you put crap into your os, you get crap out of your os. If we design AI as a weapon, I have NO DOUBT that AI will destroy us. So, I believe we should take great care to avoid creating destructive systems, but rather systems that are friendly. Construction systems like the NASAs robot snakes, automotive safety systems, explorers, harvesters, educational systems, and such.
AI devices need not be concerned with power or money of world dominance.
And I don't believe Microsoft is Evil,
if only they cared about their customers,
like that care about their stockholders.
$0.02 - Please overlook my spelling and gramatical errors... you get the idea i think.
Peace
L8r
Dolio
I always thought that the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE was a beautiful document, worthy of being labeled art, and now perhaps helping define a new age of, art?
;)
why limit it's potential by calling it art,
the new soul humanity has been searching for.
perhaps we'll find god there.
am I getting carried away?
I can see it, some don't even try.
Peace
Dolio
ps- could someone clean up this code for me ?
#!/bin/sh
# You Get the idea.
#
comet="0"
earth="1"
Current_Definition="Open-Source Linux Science God Mind Soul Reality yadda_yadda"
#
until [ $comet = $earth ] ; do
for Attempt in $Current_Definition ; do
echo $Attempt, Such a Grand Tool, will we learn to use it ?
done
done
echo you lose, try again.
#
##
all I can say is, thanx for the ride. ;) too bad about the :P
it was fun, and many of us could still
use the machine
memory thing, big nod on the swap space
situation. It can be the difference
between breaking early, (as it were)
and grinding on through the insanity.
maybe y2k just needed more ram all this time
just wanted to point out that as the y2k is beta,
Linux is under constant revision,
not a flaw, but an advantage, me thinks.
Peace
Dolio