Ok, I'm not Canadian so I don't claim to be all that informed on the subject but the 'Monopoly' thing hit me.
I know a guy from Canada and he was bitching (justly, though) to me a while ago about a former Crown Corporation telco where he's from in Manitoba. I want to keep this comment short so I'm not going to tell the whole story. Some of the stuff I say might be wrong too because I'm pulling this from memory. Sorry if it is.
In essence, what he said was that after that telco went public, a bunch of small companies popped up in competition. Later on, this telco went and bought the lot, making it a monopoly.
What I like best about Moz 0.9.5 is its better support for the tag. It's really about time the more browsers started to actively support this tag considering its great utility and vintage.
But none of these languages are failures. They're toys and thought experiments. At worst, designing programming languages like this could be described as a form of mental masturbastion. Is the IOCCC useless or anything like that?
I've tried to dig that out of the Google Cache to save it like I did with Q-BAL but without success. If anybody does have a copy, would they send it to me?
Most of the programs written in Brainfuck happen to be quines as it happens. Just think about that and think about people like us who do this for fun...
The reason, in my opinion, that we haven't seen
anything like pipes the any really well known
GUIs is that they don't implement Drag and Drop
very well. On the other hand, I know of one GUI
that does allow something like a GUI pipe to be
performed - RISC OS's GUI.
On RISC OS, an application can optionally install
an icon on what's known as the `iconbar' at the
bottom of the screen. Generally, when a program
is run, the only really noticable effect would be
that a new icon would appear there. To create a
new file, you'd click on the application's icon.
To load a file, you can either just double-click
on it's icon or drag it onto the icon of the
application you want to edit it. RISC OS's
desktop is essentially document-centric, rather
than application-centric like most others.
Now, here's where the power of such a paradigm
comes into play. When you want to save a file, a
little dialogue box like this appears:
Well, I can't actually because the stupid fucking lameness filter won't let me post ASCII art. In the mean time, take a look at some ROX screenshots, in particular this one.
To save the file, all you have to do is drag the
icon to the directory you want to save it in. If
you want to get an idea of how this looks, take a
look at
ROX.
The great thing is, you can use this mechanism for
transferring data from one application to another
just by dragging a file from one application to
another. I used to have a whole plethora of little
tools that I'd use just like this: Image
Converters, deformation tools, etc... Simple
though it is, it's quite powerful.
This might help the Linux games market. The extra jolt of speed it would give might make Linux a more popular gaming platform. Now for a mini-rant...
Of all things I can think of, games are the one that can justifiably be developed Closed Source. That's because they're bespoke software - there aren't going to be (or at least not many) bugfix versions and it's not as if games are infrastructural (like libraries, OSs, webservers, etc. - the stuff best developed in an Open fashion).
You're forgetting the ARM - that's the world's most popular embedded and otherwise architecture. How do you think ARM Ltd. can make so much money purely from licensing? Everybody's making them. Goddammit, even Intel are making them!
Um, that's what he meant. Anyway, the 6502 kicked it's ass. Ok, it was slower but it's Instruction Set kicked the Z80's ass and look at the machines it was in - I'll just drop two names: C64 & BBC Model B. Now that rocked.
Had Microsoft had even the slightest degree of competence, IIS would have been shipped in a secure form in the beginning like other products are. Anybody with even the slightest degree of knowledge on the subject knows that an wide open and accessable system is naturally prone to assault by Crackers.
These aren't patents held by the W3C, but by member corporations. The W3C depends on consensus and its reputation as an authority to, as you put it, `defend their hold on web technology'. The W3C is a standards body, not a corporation!
You speak as if the W3C is there to make money itself -- it's not. It's there to set forth a set of agreed standards. One of the core properties of a good standard is that with enough skill, anybody can implement it freely. Including patents in standards breaks this freedom. The only way that patent should be allowed in a standard is if the patent is given up by its owner -- there is not other way that freedom of implementation can be maintained.
You also seem to think that the W3C is an american body. It's not, after all TBL is English for a start! No, it's an international body comprising of people from all over the world. The primary bodies involved are MIT (American), CERN (European), and KEIO (Japanese). Nor is the World Wide Web owned by the Americans -- it's global.
Your belief in the need for patents to encourage progress in our industry is flawed. Europe doesn't have software patents yet Ireland is the world's largest exporter of software. Our research efforts are just as fruitful as that of the US. Our industry is as fruitful.
Bill Gates (correct me if I'm wrong) said that software patents were needed because progress proceeded so quickly in the industry. However, that is the very reason why software patents should be rejected.
NOTE: I'm not targeting this at `Draoi', but at the person he responded to. I agree with Draoi as it happens...
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WTF?!? Have you a clue? Do you realise how insulting that is? Considering how autocratic the US government is getting, who are you to talk?
I'm Irish. Our country was subsumed by a stronger neighbour and treated as second-class citzens within the UK. When we emigrated to the US, we were treated the same way. Are your anscestors WASPs? Probably.
No sane person, myself I hope included, holds anything against the decendants of those who did by their ancestors wrongly. Such a sweeping attitude, such an arrogant attitude is best left behind.
Be a bit more broadminded, would ya.
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Ok, I'm not Canadian so I don't claim to be all that informed on the subject but the 'Monopoly' thing hit me.
I know a guy from Canada and he was bitching (justly, though) to me a while ago about a former Crown Corporation telco where he's from in Manitoba. I want to keep this comment short so I'm not going to tell the whole story. Some of the stuff I say might be wrong too because I'm pulling this from memory. Sorry if it is.
In essence, what he said was that after that telco went public, a bunch of small companies popped up in competition. Later on, this telco went and bought the lot, making it a monopoly.
If I am spouting crap, please correct me.
Yeah, but whatever way you look at it, all it's doing is using C as an intermediate language for compilation.
...maybe that's why we're not depraved or vicious. The joys of academic catharsis!
No, not BrainFuck - Befunge. Ah feck it, you probably meant that anyway... mod this as redundant...
With that, I've already got a copy of CLC-INTERCAL somewhere and I'll through that up on my site soon if I can.
The Assurdo Technologies site sure had some great stuff on it.
What I like best about Moz 0.9.5 is its better support for the tag. It's really about time the more browsers started to actively support this tag considering its great utility and vintage.
But I like my monkey with three butts!
But none of these languages are failures. They're toys and thought experiments. At worst, designing programming languages like this could be described as a form of mental masturbastion. Is the IOCCC useless or anything like that?
I've tried to dig that out of the Google Cache to save it like I did with Q-BAL but without success. If anybody does have a copy, would they send it to me?
Brainfuck is variously called `BF', `BrainF', `BrainF*ck', `BrainF***', `BrunFaick', etc.
Most of the programs written in Brainfuck happen to be quines as it happens. Just think about that and think about people like us who do this for fun...
Yeah, but where's the fun in that?
Anyhow, Befunge (93) programs are executed on a torus, so are 2D.
I never thought that I'd see it up on slashdot, but my webring's up on Slashdot! How cool is that!
In case you're wondering, I'm the bloke who administers ESOLANG.
The reason, in my opinion, that we haven't seen anything like pipes the any really well known GUIs is that they don't implement Drag and Drop very well. On the other hand, I know of one GUI that does allow something like a GUI pipe to be performed - RISC OS's GUI.
On RISC OS, an application can optionally install an icon on what's known as the `iconbar' at the bottom of the screen. Generally, when a program is run, the only really noticable effect would be that a new icon would appear there. To create a new file, you'd click on the application's icon. To load a file, you can either just double-click on it's icon or drag it onto the icon of the application you want to edit it. RISC OS's desktop is essentially document-centric, rather than application-centric like most others.
Now, here's where the power of such a paradigm comes into play. When you want to save a file, a little dialogue box like this appears:
Well, I can't actually because the stupid fucking lameness filter won't let me post ASCII art. In the mean time, take a look at some ROX screenshots, in particular this one.
To save the file, all you have to do is drag the icon to the directory you want to save it in. If you want to get an idea of how this looks, take a look at ROX.
The great thing is, you can use this mechanism for transferring data from one application to another just by dragging a file from one application to another. I used to have a whole plethora of little tools that I'd use just like this: Image Converters, deformation tools, etc... Simple though it is, it's quite powerful.
Looks pretty good. After a cursory look at it, I'm impressed. It might even make me change over from WindowMaker.
This might help the Linux games market. The extra jolt of speed it would give might make Linux a more popular gaming platform. Now for a mini-rant...
Of all things I can think of, games are the one that can justifiably be developed Closed Source. That's because they're bespoke software - there aren't going to be (or at least not many) bugfix versions and it's not as if games are infrastructural (like libraries, OSs, webservers, etc. - the stuff best developed in an Open fashion).
It's still on there in Ireland and in the UK.
You're forgetting the ARM - that's the world's most popular embedded and otherwise architecture. How do you think ARM Ltd. can make so much money purely from licensing? Everybody's making them. Goddammit, even Intel are making them!
Um, that's what he meant. Anyway, the 6502 kicked it's ass. Ok, it was slower but it's Instruction Set kicked the Z80's ass and look at the machines it was in - I'll just drop two names: C64 & BBC Model B. Now that rocked.
Go play with the ARM -- smells like a 6502...
Had Microsoft had even the slightest degree of competence, IIS would have been shipped in a secure form in the beginning like other products are. Anybody with even the slightest degree of knowledge on the subject knows that an wide open and accessable system is naturally prone to assault by Crackers.
This point, above all, should be emphasised.
It was modded down not because it was against the grain, but because it was misleading and uninformative.
Sorry for going off-topic. Mod this comment down if you want.
Oh, please!
These aren't patents held by the W3C, but by member corporations. The W3C depends on consensus and its reputation as an authority to, as you put it, `defend their hold on web technology'. The W3C is a standards body, not a corporation!
You speak as if the W3C is there to make money itself -- it's not. It's there to set forth a set of agreed standards. One of the core properties of a good standard is that with enough skill, anybody can implement it freely. Including patents in standards breaks this freedom. The only way that patent should be allowed in a standard is if the patent is given up by its owner -- there is not other way that freedom of implementation can be maintained.
You also seem to think that the W3C is an american body. It's not, after all TBL is English for a start! No, it's an international body comprising of people from all over the world. The primary bodies involved are MIT (American), CERN (European), and KEIO (Japanese). Nor is the World Wide Web owned by the Americans -- it's global.
Your belief in the need for patents to encourage progress in our industry is flawed. Europe doesn't have software patents yet Ireland is the world's largest exporter of software. Our research efforts are just as fruitful as that of the US. Our industry is as fruitful.
Bill Gates (correct me if I'm wrong) said that software patents were needed because progress proceeded so quickly in the industry. However, that is the very reason why software patents should be rejected.
NOTE: I'm not targeting this at `Draoi', but at the person he responded to. I agree with Draoi as it happens...
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WTF?!? Have you a clue? Do you realise how insulting that is? Considering how autocratic the US government is getting, who are you to talk?
I'm Irish. Our country was subsumed by a stronger neighbour and treated as second-class citzens within the UK. When we emigrated to the US, we were treated the same way. Are your anscestors WASPs? Probably.
No sane person, myself I hope included, holds anything against the decendants of those who did by their ancestors wrongly. Such a sweeping attitude, such an arrogant attitude is best left behind.
Be a bit more broadminded, would ya.
Konq is a decent browser, but it has awful problems with tables from my experience. Example: it doesn't deal with the colspan, rowspan, and width attributes properly. I can give an example page to demonstrate it if anybody wants (send me an email).