I don't think RMS's position on this is obscure at all. Firstly he opposes the term "open source", secondly he strongly advises that people not use an unfree OS to begin with.
Poor analogy. Tor exit nodes don't store anything. It's a relay that people use in order to obscure the place they came from.
Here's a better analogy. Imagine if a wanted criminal ran inside an open-door city shop in order to dodge the police, and the police then charged the shop owners as an accessory to evading law enforcement.
Nothing - are you aware of which thread you're posting on? Hint: You're the one posting off-topic.
Not at all. An ISP that operates according to regulations is no more legal than running a Tor exit node is. So talking about all the things an ISP has to do to act in accordance with the law is irrelevant.
Sure they are. They provide cellular service to "burner phones" that can be bought with cash and without ID. I see no ethical difference between that and running a Tor node: both are providing a means for somebody to obscure their identity, which can be used for both good and evil.
As an ISP you're already required to report address allocation information to the regional registry who makes the associations publicly available. The police know whether they're looking for ISP staff or a customer when they show up at the door because as an ISP you published enough information for them to make that determination.
What does any of that have to do with police abuse against people doing nothing illegal?
Running a Tor node doesn't mean your intentionally concealing illegal activity. You're aware that political dissidents in other countries, and abuse victims, and others use Tor for perfectly legal purposes, right?
Makes sense, so long as you're also willing to charge every employee of every telecom company as being accessories to terrorism or child porn distribution.
"The police told me they'd be back if it happened again." For what crime? Is it normal for police in Canada to threaten to invade an innocent couple's home for doing something legal?
This is pretty basic security stuff, but if you don't know if a file you want to download is malicious or not, download it within a virtual machine (or a jail, if you're using a BSD) that has no access to its host or Internet connection. If you need to move it to your host, only do so after you have tested it out while checking your VM's system log to make sure it's not doing anything suspicious. If you want to be extra safe, then you also want to use a mandatory access control (SELinux, AppArmor, etc.) to limit what the file can do.
They were very definitely forced on people. When Ubuntu 11.10 came out they removed Gnome2 and replaced it with the completely different and incompatible Gnome3. MATE didn't exist yet. There was no simple way to downgrade again either. You were stuck with a system that got completely broken duo to the upgrade and it took years before MATE made it into Ubuntu.
You *chose* to update away from the LTS, so claiming that it was *forced* on you is total insanity. It's like saying that french fries were forced on me because they came with the burger that I got for free at a charity event.
As fucked up as the Windows10 upgrade was, at least that one I could roll back with a few clicks.
Many peoples' computers got bricked in the process, and not all of them had prepared a recovery disk/drive.
And before somebody says "Use LTS", those have a whole heap of problems of their own and the lack of support for third-party apps in Linux means you are stuck with two year old software or a lot of manual fiddling.
Literally every third party program I've ever seen either supported ONLY the Ubuntu LTS, or every supported Ubuntu version. Also, two-year old software! Lord have mercy! If you need the bleeding edge software the second it comes out, maybe you'd be happier with Arch Linux than Ubuntu.
Your claims are completely ridiculous, honestly. I'm sorry you regretted your OS update, but smearing the people who did all of the work and gave it to you for free is not the right answer.
Feel free to implore your elected representatives to do so.
However, both of those individuals are out of power, so it's less urgent to press charges against them than it is against Clinton, who has a terrifyingly good shot at becoming President soon.
Considering how much time the right wing spent on "Is Obama a secret Muslim?" or "Was Obama even born in this country?" or "Tides go in, tides go out, you can't explain that." (Okay, maybe not that last one), they've kind of lost a bit of credibility when it comes to other things.
Funny thing about that, the whole birther controversy was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008, when she was running against Obama for the presidential nomination. I guess that means her credibility is even worse than the right-wing's, right?
a presidential candidate thats already generally reviled by Americans yet unaccountably still able to secure her parties candidate nomination.
Yeah, I mean it's not like there were leaked emails from DNC officials that demonstrate that the whole nomination process was rigged in her favor from day 0.
Is it sunny in that land of self-delusion you live in?
Slackware, Gentoo, Devuan, CRUX, the oldstable of CentOS or Debian (both still supported), Linux From Scratch, any of the minor or more obscure distros that are based on the aforementioned, etc.
I also point out that SysVinit-core is still supported on a lot of distros that use systemd by default, such as Debian.
Really, you haven't lost any choice. In actuality, now you have more choice and diversity! Before there was just SysVinit and BSD init, now there's those two plus systemd, upstart, and OpenRC. Plus somebody could port over launchd and smf in the future.
At this point it's really important that Combetta is put on suicide watch and given a bodyguard. A lot of people affiliated with the Clintons end up in, how do you say... "unusual circumstances", like getting murdered by a 'robber' that actually didn't take anything, or 'committing suicide' by shooting themselves in the back twice.
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That's fine until you get to the point where the police threatened the couple that they'd "be back" if they ran an exit node again.
I don't think RMS's position on this is obscure at all. Firstly he opposes the term "open source", secondly he strongly advises that people not use an unfree OS to begin with.
That would require somebody buying a BlackBerry Android.
Poor analogy. Tor exit nodes don't store anything. It's a relay that people use in order to obscure the place they came from.
Here's a better analogy. Imagine if a wanted criminal ran inside an open-door city shop in order to dodge the police, and the police then charged the shop owners as an accessory to evading law enforcement.
Nothing - are you aware of which thread you're posting on? Hint: You're the one posting off-topic.
Not at all. An ISP that operates according to regulations is no more legal than running a Tor exit node is. So talking about all the things an ISP has to do to act in accordance with the law is irrelevant.
Actually, that's NOT "perfectly legal". Improper storage of firearms is a misdemeanor or equivalent in most places.
Sure they are. They provide cellular service to "burner phones" that can be bought with cash and without ID. I see no ethical difference between that and running a Tor node: both are providing a means for somebody to obscure their identity, which can be used for both good and evil.
As an ISP you're already required to report address allocation information to the regional registry who makes the associations publicly available. The police know whether they're looking for ISP staff or a customer when they show up at the door because as an ISP you published enough information for them to make that determination.
What does any of that have to do with police abuse against people doing nothing illegal?
Running a Tor node doesn't mean your intentionally concealing illegal activity. You're aware that political dissidents in other countries, and abuse victims, and others use Tor for perfectly legal purposes, right?
Also libraries, concerned not-for-profit companies like the EFF and Mozilla, etc.
Could smart criminals just also run a Tor exit node, and just use it to blame anything that they get caught on?
A Tor exit node is just a tool used to obscure your location. Nothing more. So let's rephrase your question as such:
"Could smart criminals just tape over their house numbers, and just use it to blame anything that they get caught on?"
Makes sense, so long as you're also willing to charge every employee of every telecom company as being accessories to terrorism or child porn distribution.
"The police told me they'd be back if it happened again." For what crime? Is it normal for police in Canada to threaten to invade an innocent couple's home for doing something legal?
This is pretty basic security stuff, but if you don't know if a file you want to download is malicious or not, download it within a virtual machine (or a jail, if you're using a BSD) that has no access to its host or Internet connection. If you need to move it to your host, only do so after you have tested it out while checking your VM's system log to make sure it's not doing anything suspicious. If you want to be extra safe, then you also want to use a mandatory access control (SELinux, AppArmor, etc.) to limit what the file can do.
They were very definitely forced on people. When Ubuntu 11.10 came out they removed Gnome2 and replaced it with the completely different and incompatible Gnome3. MATE didn't exist yet. There was no simple way to downgrade again either. You were stuck with a system that got completely broken duo to the upgrade and it took years before MATE made it into Ubuntu.
You *chose* to update away from the LTS, so claiming that it was *forced* on you is total insanity. It's like saying that french fries were forced on me because they came with the burger that I got for free at a charity event.
As fucked up as the Windows10 upgrade was, at least that one I could roll back with a few clicks.
Many peoples' computers got bricked in the process, and not all of them had prepared a recovery disk/drive.
And before somebody says "Use LTS", those have a whole heap of problems of their own and the lack of support for third-party apps in Linux means you are stuck with two year old software or a lot of manual fiddling.
Literally every third party program I've ever seen either supported ONLY the Ubuntu LTS, or every supported Ubuntu version. Also, two-year old software! Lord have mercy! If you need the bleeding edge software the second it comes out, maybe you'd be happier with Arch Linux than Ubuntu.
Your claims are completely ridiculous, honestly. I'm sorry you regretted your OS update, but smearing the people who did all of the work and gave it to you for free is not the right answer.
Feel free to implore your elected representatives to do so.
However, both of those individuals are out of power, so it's less urgent to press charges against them than it is against Clinton, who has a terrifyingly good shot at becoming President soon.
I for one am going to cherish this comment. It is not often one gets to hear the Hellmouth speak our tongue.
Considering how much time the right wing spent on "Is Obama a secret Muslim?" or "Was Obama even born in this country?" or "Tides go in, tides go out, you can't explain that." (Okay, maybe not that last one), they've kind of lost a bit of credibility when it comes to other things.
Funny thing about that, the whole birther controversy was started by the Clinton campaign in 2008, when she was running against Obama for the presidential nomination. I guess that means her credibility is even worse than the right-wing's, right?
a presidential candidate thats already generally reviled by Americans yet unaccountably still able to secure her parties candidate nomination.
Yeah, I mean it's not like there were leaked emails from DNC officials that demonstrate that the whole nomination process was rigged in her favor from day 0.
Is it sunny in that land of self-delusion you live in?
No critical thinking necessary when everything bad can be written off as a vast right-wing conspiracy, right?
Seth Rich, allegedly killed in a robbery where nothing was actually stolen: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-...
Vince Foster has a whole Wikipedia article devoted to his suspicious death: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Slackware, Gentoo, Devuan, CRUX, the oldstable of CentOS or Debian (both still supported), Linux From Scratch, any of the minor or more obscure distros that are based on the aforementioned, etc.
I also point out that SysVinit-core is still supported on a lot of distros that use systemd by default, such as Debian.
Really, you haven't lost any choice. In actuality, now you have more choice and diversity! Before there was just SysVinit and BSD init, now there's those two plus systemd, upstart, and OpenRC. Plus somebody could port over launchd and smf in the future.
At this point it's really important that Combetta is put on suicide watch and given a bodyguard. A lot of people affiliated with the Clintons end up in, how do you say... "unusual circumstances", like getting murdered by a 'robber' that actually didn't take anything, or 'committing suicide' by shooting themselves in the back twice.
Valve. Steam machines are nice, it's just the chicken-or-the-egg problem in regards to Linux support for games.
You're doing Unix wrong. When slapt tells you what dependencies you need, pipe it into your next command, don't manually type everything in.