No. That is not how psychology works. It is not ethical to conduct psychology experiments on arbitrarily large groups of people. You cannot say that the experiment was expanded to a point where you can make a statement about it "regardless of the population size".
Wouldn't that then make it even harder still to reproduce experimental results, which only further erodes the status of psychology as a science? You only seem to be confirming his point. That ethical concerns are part of the cause is irrelevant. He was discussing effect.
It is shameful that you were modded up for that comment, it shows how little people on slashdot understand about psychology.
The more they understand about it, the worse it looks. It's too bad for you if you don't like that. If you have some interest in the outcome, for example if you yourself are a psychologist, it would be considered a minimal level of integrity to disclose that... since we're speaking of ethics now. Oh further along those lines, I wonder just how much the field is influenced by the incredible profitability of prescription drugs? I bet that would be a fascinating research topic.
The real reason for this barrage of science failures is how Slashdot responded to the proposition to teach people about the limits of understanding in each field of study.
A lot of people were posting and modding that Science should still be described as a collection of infallible knowledge for various reasons. So now we see the articles and studies pointing out how shit the processes and papers of all fields of science really are.
Large organized projects involving multiple people and intricate data tend to be shit, news at 11. Governments are the best examples of this but you also see it in corporations and not surprisingly science isn't magically exempt from the problems that occur whenever groups of people try to work together.
The real question is - exactly wtf is entanglement anyway? I can find lots to read about what it looks like and how it behaves... but what's the underlying mechanism? Is there even the most speculative explanation of it?
It's kinda screwed up how you're blaming the women for "facilitating cheating" and causing dudes to lose their community standing and commit suicide. As opposed to blaming the cheating men - you know, the ones with an actual obligation to their wife and kids.
Like I hear what you're saying - it's not good to get involved and be "the other woman." But their fault is minuscule next to the cheater's.
Nothing I said is inconsistent with that. In fact if you read my comments you'd know that I didn't mention the standing of the men at all. Honestly, I thought that part was so very obvious that it didn't need to be reiterated, other than my mention of how unnecessary and dishonorable the lying and cheating is. In fact my exact words were: But to marry someone and claim to make an exclusive commitment, and then abuse their trust like that, it's just plain fucked up. No "puritannical morality" is necessary to see how fucked up that really is. Ask anyone who's ever had it done to them. Does that sound to you like I'm giving these men a pass? "Just plain fucked up" is fairly clear language, is it not?
Don't know about that. Some people have affairs because their marriage is dead. Spouse doesn't love them. Some people cheat on wonderful people who love them to death, because they're completely selfish assholes. I wonder how well one can predict from the AM data what percentage was what type, or what other types exist.
Life is too short to remain in a failed marriage. I don't really understand why people do this. It only takes a small shred of honor to end a failed marriage, honestly and openly, and then go screw whoever you want. The lying and the cheating is, like you mention, indicative of a selfish asshole. But even selfish assholes, being selfish, try to look out for their own interests. What interest would they have in sticking around when they don't want to? If money is their concern, this is what prenuptial agreements are for.
They're women who know they're facilitating cheating and quite possibly destroying families
I would argue that facilitating the behavior is not what destroyed the family; the family was breathing it's last before an AM profile was ever considered.
I mostly agree with you. Problems like that don't just happen overnight. They usually have deep roots that took time to develop. Unresolved issue piles atop unresolved issue. What is so often identified as the cause of a problem is typically just its most noticable symptom.
The thing is, marriages have problems all the time. Many of those times, these things can be worked out if both people want to work them out. Cheating, though is a special form of betrayal. A marriage that could have been saved will usually reach the point of no return once that kind of betrayal takes place. Even the Christian tradition, so often portrayed as rigid and Puritannical, recognizes infidelity as a (often, "the") legitimate reason for divorce.
I've personally known someone who cheated on his wife, not just once, but again and again, booking various hotels to do the deed, etc. Amazingly, his wife forgave him, though it took a very long time before she began to trust him again. Their only child was already an adult by this time, so these were genuinely her feelings and not some kind of sacrifice she was making. That's not the norm. Usually, that's the gunshot to the head of a marriage that previously just had a minor flesh wound.
Make no mistake, anyone knowingly helping to make this happen cannot claim innocence.
They're not "women who know they're facilitating cheating and quite possibly destroying families".
They don't exist!
The fucking article said there were few women, not that there were none. The parent poster further speculated that some of those few women might be call girls. Thus I made an observation concerning what sort of women those are.
Nice try, but as it turns out, that reading comprehension thing is important.
On a site like that - the only real women would be women that are either desperate or looking for other women.
I had heard that most the women on AM were call girls. Now I doubt that, as I'd think there'd have been a lot more, but still, there's a third category for your list.
They're women who know they're facilitating cheating and quite possibly destroying families - ever seen what divorce does to kids? Even the amicable divorces do a lot of damage, and divorces due to infidelity tend not to be amicable. A woman who understands she's doing that and is okay with that can't be trusted. These are the kinds of women who poke holes in condoms to get that child support money. If the cheating guy has any sort of standing in the community, like holding some sort of local office or operating any significant business, he can now be blackmailed - and that was before the data was breached. There's already been some suicides over this, in fact.
A call girl would be an improvement.
I'm no prude. I'm all for consenting adult people screwing around if that's what they want to do. When I was younger, I did my own share of that. But I didn't have to lie and cheat to do it, and neither do they. I was not married and I openly told the women I was seeing, up front, "hey I'm not looking for a commitment at this time, in fact I am going to see other people, if you want to do the same, be my guest". It was never an issue and they appreciated the honesty. But to marry someone and claim to make an exclusive commitment, and then abuse their trust like that, it's just plain fucked up. No "puritannical morality" is necessary to see how fucked up that really is. Ask anyone who's ever had it done to them.
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No. That is not how psychology works. It is not ethical to conduct psychology experiments on arbitrarily large groups of people. You cannot say that the experiment was expanded to a point where you can make a statement about it "regardless of the population size".
Wouldn't that then make it even harder still to reproduce experimental results, which only further erodes the status of psychology as a science? You only seem to be confirming his point. That ethical concerns are part of the cause is irrelevant. He was discussing effect.
It is shameful that you were modded up for that comment, it shows how little people on slashdot understand about psychology.
The more they understand about it, the worse it looks. It's too bad for you if you don't like that. If you have some interest in the outcome, for example if you yourself are a psychologist, it would be considered a minimal level of integrity to disclose that ... since we're speaking of ethics now. Oh further along those lines, I wonder just how much the field is influenced by the incredible profitability of prescription drugs? I bet that would be a fascinating research topic.
The real reason for this barrage of science failures is how Slashdot responded to the proposition to teach people about the limits of understanding in each field of study.
A lot of people were posting and modding that Science should still be described as a collection of infallible knowledge for various reasons. So now we see the articles and studies pointing out how shit the processes and papers of all fields of science really are.
Large organized projects involving multiple people and intricate data tend to be shit, news at 11. Governments are the best examples of this but you also see it in corporations and not surprisingly science isn't magically exempt from the problems that occur whenever groups of people try to work together.
The real question is - exactly wtf is entanglement anyway? I can find lots to read about what it looks like and how it behaves... but what's the underlying mechanism? Is there even the most speculative explanation of it?
It's kinda screwed up how you're blaming the women for "facilitating cheating" and causing dudes to lose their community standing and commit suicide. As opposed to blaming the cheating men - you know, the ones with an actual obligation to their wife and kids.
Like I hear what you're saying - it's not good to get involved and be "the other woman." But their fault is minuscule next to the cheater's.
Nothing I said is inconsistent with that. In fact if you read my comments you'd know that I didn't mention the standing of the men at all. Honestly, I thought that part was so very obvious that it didn't need to be reiterated, other than my mention of how unnecessary and dishonorable the lying and cheating is. In fact my exact words were: But to marry someone and claim to make an exclusive commitment, and then abuse their trust like that, it's just plain fucked up. No "puritannical morality" is necessary to see how fucked up that really is. Ask anyone who's ever had it done to them. Does that sound to you like I'm giving these men a pass? "Just plain fucked up" is fairly clear language, is it not?
Don't know about that. Some people have affairs because their marriage is dead. Spouse doesn't love them. Some people cheat on wonderful people who love them to death, because they're completely selfish assholes. I wonder how well one can predict from the AM data what percentage was what type, or what other types exist.
Life is too short to remain in a failed marriage. I don't really understand why people do this. It only takes a small shred of honor to end a failed marriage, honestly and openly, and then go screw whoever you want. The lying and the cheating is, like you mention, indicative of a selfish asshole. But even selfish assholes, being selfish, try to look out for their own interests. What interest would they have in sticking around when they don't want to? If money is their concern, this is what prenuptial agreements are for.
They're women who know they're facilitating cheating and quite possibly destroying families
I would argue that facilitating the behavior is not what destroyed the family; the family was breathing it's last before an AM profile was ever considered.
I mostly agree with you. Problems like that don't just happen overnight. They usually have deep roots that took time to develop. Unresolved issue piles atop unresolved issue. What is so often identified as the cause of a problem is typically just its most noticable symptom.
The thing is, marriages have problems all the time. Many of those times, these things can be worked out if both people want to work them out. Cheating, though is a special form of betrayal. A marriage that could have been saved will usually reach the point of no return once that kind of betrayal takes place. Even the Christian tradition, so often portrayed as rigid and Puritannical, recognizes infidelity as a (often, "the") legitimate reason for divorce.
I've personally known someone who cheated on his wife, not just once, but again and again, booking various hotels to do the deed, etc. Amazingly, his wife forgave him, though it took a very long time before she began to trust him again. Their only child was already an adult by this time, so these were genuinely her feelings and not some kind of sacrifice she was making. That's not the norm. Usually, that's the gunshot to the head of a marriage that previously just had a minor flesh wound.
Make no mistake, anyone knowingly helping to make this happen cannot claim innocence.
So you didn't RTFA.
They're not "women who know they're facilitating cheating and quite possibly destroying families".
They don't exist!
The fucking article said there were few women, not that there were none. The parent poster further speculated that some of those few women might be call girls. Thus I made an observation concerning what sort of women those are.
Nice try, but as it turns out, that reading comprehension thing is important.
On a site like that - the only real women would be women that are either desperate or looking for other women.
I had heard that most the women on AM were call girls. Now I doubt that, as I'd think there'd have been a lot more, but still, there's a third category for your list.
They're women who know they're facilitating cheating and quite possibly destroying families - ever seen what divorce does to kids? Even the amicable divorces do a lot of damage, and divorces due to infidelity tend not to be amicable. A woman who understands she's doing that and is okay with that can't be trusted. These are the kinds of women who poke holes in condoms to get that child support money. If the cheating guy has any sort of standing in the community, like holding some sort of local office or operating any significant business, he can now be blackmailed - and that was before the data was breached. There's already been some suicides over this, in fact.
A call girl would be an improvement.
I'm no prude. I'm all for consenting adult people screwing around if that's what they want to do. When I was younger, I did my own share of that. But I didn't have to lie and cheat to do it, and neither do they. I was not married and I openly told the women I was seeing, up front, "hey I'm not looking for a commitment at this time, in fact I am going to see other people, if you want to do the same, be my guest". It was never an issue and they appreciated the honesty. But to marry someone and claim to make an exclusive commitment, and then abuse their trust like that, it's just plain fucked up. No "puritannical morality" is necessary to see how fucked up that really is. Ask anyone who's ever had it done to them.