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Analysis Reveals Almost No Real Women On Ashley Madison
gurps_npc writes: Ashley Madison claimed to have about 31 million men and 5.5 million woman enrolled. Those odds are not good for the men, 6:1. But unfortunately, most of those 'women' were fake. This researcher analyzed the data and found only 12,000 actual, real women using Ashley Madison. That means for every 7750 men, there were 3 women. There are reports that Ashley Madison paid people to create fake female profiles. Their website admits that 'some of the users may be there for "entertainment purposes."' The article itself is well written, including a description of the analysis. A charitable person would say that Ashley Madison was selling a fantasy, not reality. But a realist would say Ashley Madison is just a thief stealing money from lonely, unhappy men.
' Their website admits that 'some of the users may be there for "entertainment purposes."'
Not to confuse those with the 'professional' cheaters.
" That means for every 7750 men, there were 3 women"
So does that mean there were 2583 men for every woman?
Can someone put this into football fields for me?
Was Ashley Madison first and foremost a gay hookup site for married men? Or were vanishingly few guys every getting laid through the site? Or were those few women (literally) staggeringly busy?
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But then again, everyone knows there's no girls on the internet.
I believe the Flight of the Conchords made a song about this phenomenon.
Seems like most dating/casual sex sites I've been on
I've been wondering for a long time now about this Ashley Madison issue. After the hacking has gone down does any one really still give a shit about this story?
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...something along the lines of "Welcome to the Internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents" ?
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7750 men for every 3 women. To anyone surprised by this, let me be the first to say--welcome to the Internet.
IIRC, the hackers have said that there are still GB's of data that haven't been released and probably won't be. Are the hackers selectively screening out certain accounts, and if so, for what purpose?
Obviously, infidelity was just another clever beard for the shy and elusive homosexual community. Will there be no end to the list of victims?
Beavis: Hey Butthead, they said the Analysis reveals almost no real women on Ashley Madison.
Butthead: Hehe, hehehe. Anal.
Go watch "Love Me" (available on Netflix) about Ukrainian "mail order" brides. Those guys are charging ten bucks per message from the guy to the woman. Ostensibly because of the translation services they off. One of the dudes on there was out $10k on messages to one woman alone.
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But a realist would say Ashley Madison is just a thief stealing money from lonely, unhappy men.
But a realist would say Ashley Madison is just cheating men cheating on their wives.
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and how many of those female profiles were just astroturf Ashley Madison profiles put there to entice men into joining?
The whole thing is just a sad commentary on the current state of affairs (no pun intended) of the world we live in. Who are the real villains here? The cheating husbands or the people at AM that set up this apparently honey pot of a web site to lure men in and then charge them to delete their profiles after the fact? A curse on all their houses I say.
I figured a site like that would be a sausage fest, women don't seem to have as much trouble getting laid as most men do.
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No way, man! You don't fool me. I ain't clickin' on your bait
Likewise, Axe is a thief for selling boys on the idea that spraying themselves will make babes throw themselves at said stinky young men, and Pantene is a thief for selling women on the idea that using their brand of shampoo will make them supermodels.
Or... gurps_npc is a socialist idiot who doesn't know how humans are actually motivated.
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You'd have a better chance of hooking up on Gilligan's Island.
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Sounds like the ratio of men to women in STEM major colleges...
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That doesn't sound right. I expect that the men completely outnumber the women, and that the 'women' are largely fake, but only 12,000?
With all the advertising that AM has done, and with the huge number of women online (consider pinterest for heavens sake), and the huge number of women that have affairs, it seems unlikely to me that only 12,000 actual women signed up.
The more people I meet, the better I like my dog.
I find this whole Ashley Madison issue supports my belief that anybody who would cheat on their spouse / partner or whatever is a looser from the get go. Just goes to show there is a looser born every minute.
The article itself is well written, including a description of the analysis.
Nice try! I'm not going to fall for your tricks to get me to RTFA, especially from Gizmodo.
With that kind of demand, just saying...
I think it was an extortion honeypot, TBH. It's possible that the CEO has criminal connections, or ties to a government intelligence operation. Think about the leverage that could be applied to government officials, politicians, corporate managers, etc. with this information. For example, it's exactly the kind of info the CIA uses against foreign government officials in order to turn them into intelligence assets. And there's already reports of outed AM account holders being extorted to pay up to get their information removed or the blackmailers will forward the info directly to spouses, friends, family, and co-workers. The timing of the release kind of suspect as well. In addition, another site (Rentboy.com, I think) that potentially has damaging info on its account holders was recently raided by the FBI. What if that was a pre-emptive raid in order to keep its database from falling into the hands of hackers and released to the internet? This is Alex Jones territory, I know, but the stated reasons by the Impact Team for releasing the data just doesn't hold water for me.
... were seeing if they could search for someone specific to catch someone.
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American men are even more horny and pathetic than I have previously believed. It's even funnier seeing this from the perspective of the grossly homophobic machismo that is American culture.
Anyone investigate if the researcher was exposed in the leak. I would think it is a good way to cover his own infidelities.
1. I was on the site for research
2. There was actually no women to cheat with.
Sound suspicious to me...
The gender gap is clearly a huge problem in online adultery sites. Microsoft and Google should start reaching out to underprivileged women with their search engines, displaying more links to sites like these. Close the adultery gap! We need more adulterous gaps!!!
You're forgetting something very very important.
Women don't need a website to find hookups and affairs.
Under most circumstances, even unattractive women can walk into some dive bar and find someone to go home with after an hour or two if they really wanted to.
This statement isn't some angsty gripe or complaint - it's just reality that it's easier for women to get men than it is for men to get women.
Most women who want to cheat and have affairs simply wouldn't use a website to do it, and wouldn't need to.
I'm sorry, but should we think these stats have changed from ye days or yore in chatrooms?
The sweaty fat guy pretending to be a female?
I'm sure if you had honest reporting, there's be a bunch of creepy stats ... how many people got rolled in a hotel room thinking they were gonna get some, how many people have had extortion attempts, how many people have fapped to dirty chats which was really a guy on the other end.
It's the freakin' internet, isn't the fact that a good portion of the women, especially the ones looking for sex, are actually bored guys?
I'm sure people actually were getting laid, and a woman looking for a man is probably going to succeed. But I bet a lot of guys didn't do anything but chat with other guys without realizing it.
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... did not have any real change of getting anything out of it? That is tragic, and makes the actions of those that have hacked the site and then published the data even more evil.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
wow im shocked! men are more likely than women to cheat, some quick call the press!
I cant believe this is even news, hey news flash! MOST DATING WEBSITES ARE FILLED WITH DUDES
That's more than Craigslist and all IRC channels combined!
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The data in the article does not answer who were the mails talking with. With other males?
What was wrong with saying "For every 2250 men there was 1 woman"? Or even clearer: "There was 1 woman for every 2250 men"? WHY MAKE IT PER THREE WOMEN???????
Just to inflate the numbers?
As an aside, that one woman must bang like the shithouse door when the plagues in town. Remember, ladies, for every man cheating on their wife, there's a woman fucking your husband.
Indianapolis Nascar staduim 250,000 people.
So odds are the men on AM weren't really cheating.
Indianapolis Nascar staduim 250,000 people.
"Let's do it in the road", with apologies to the Beatles.
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I have to disagree with the numbers.
Unlike others, I insulated myself well, using prepaid Amex registered to a bogus name and address.
As for the reasons, well there are a number, primarily the person I married is no longer the person I married. That aside, call me a coward if you want, but it is what it is.
Now I did joy spend much, about $200. That equates to 400 credits, at 5 credits for initial contact (after which further communications are free). I never used the overpriced gifts and chat functions.
That amounts to about 80 contact attempts. Response rate was about 15 actual females. That's not to say I jumped into bed with all of them, there does need to be a connection, so it's not always about just fucking. I was also very acutely aware of the fakes, one time curiousity profiles, and such. There are patterns you can see, and you avoid contacting new profiles for a while till you see them around a few times. I'm guessing the area you're in makes a difference too, major metro areas have the most fakes. Also way too many woman looking for a free ride, so basically prostitution.
So yes, it is possible to connect with an actual female. If I had to guess, poor coding resulted in the fields the researcher used to generate the stats, where not actually being used reliably.
On a site like that - the only real women would be women that are either desperate or looking for other women.
I had heard that most the women on AM were call girls. Now I doubt that, as I'd think there'd have been a lot more, but still, there's a third category for your list.
They're women who know they're facilitating cheating and quite possibly destroying families - ever seen what divorce does to kids? Even the amicable divorces do a lot of damage, and divorces due to infidelity tend not to be amicable. A woman who understands she's doing that and is okay with that can't be trusted. These are the kinds of women who poke holes in condoms to get that child support money. If the cheating guy has any sort of standing in the community, like holding some sort of local office or operating any significant business, he can now be blackmailed - and that was before the data was breached. There's already been some suicides over this, in fact.
A call girl would be an improvement.
I'm no prude. I'm all for consenting adult people screwing around if that's what they want to do. When I was younger, I did my own share of that. But I didn't have to lie and cheat to do it, and neither do they. I was not married and I openly told the women I was seeing, up front, "hey I'm not looking for a commitment at this time, in fact I am going to see other people, if you want to do the same, be my guest". It was never an issue and they appreciated the honesty. But to marry someone and claim to make an exclusive commitment, and then abuse their trust like that, it's just plain fucked up. No "puritannical morality" is necessary to see how fucked up that really is. Ask anyone who's ever had it done to them.
Or... gurps_npc is a socialist idiot who doesn't know how humans are actually motivated.
Well, what do you expect from a Non-Player Character in the General Universal Role Playing System? Sounds like little more than a personality-less stat-sheet to me.
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Sounds like a scam worthy of Bill Gates. I bet he's jealous that he didn't think of it first.
Kind like those "women" on AM?
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Their tagline should have been: "Life's short, have a gay affair."
If you are a woman, you just go to any dive bar where you are unlikely to see anybody you know, maybe a town over to meet somebody, or do so discretely in other ways. Given that most women have an endless stream of men drooling after them, it is trivial for them to cheat, whereas for men it is very difficult and takes a lot of effort to find somebody. This is the expected results.
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While I agree there were "fake" ads, I'm sure there were more than 12K women on the site. I met several "real" married women on the site so I can attest there were real married women there.
It's an "arrangement", these woman are not lonely housewives. The few they got signed up are pros.
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Curious, I opened an account there one month, a while back. I asked for women *over* 40. Of the *very* few responses I got, only one claimed to be (and just barely); I think they had auto-email, because *all* the rest were 24 yrs old +/- 1 yr, hot girls.....
sign me, "yeah, right"
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The Ashley Madison scam is not really that different from selling bogus cures to baldness, snoring, erectile disfunction, or cancer, or promising Russian brides, or bogus kickstarter projects (you can usually sport these, but someone must think they are worth doing). The internet can reach people in such numbers that it is even worth posting 'you won't believe..' set of pictures (usually photoshopped) for the tiny advertising rewards. We can either say that this is natural way of things: that the cunning should rip off the dumb, or we can do something about it.
In this particular case, Ashley Madison claimed to have a sex ratio of about 1:6, which might make it compatible with reputable dating agencies. However, it is not likely that there are millions of Smoking Hot Babes Just Waiting For You out there. If Ashley Madison once had one good-looking lady on the books, the AM sysadmin would have got her first. It is not only likely that the Ashley Madison scheme is just as reported, it is almost impossible that it could have been anything else. There might be a real site somewhere, but it is so much more efficient to be a scam.
Ashley Madison is perhaps not a proper subject for schools. However, schools do try to encourage smaller children to be nice to each other, and cautious of strangers. It might be sensible to introduce them to the net alongside instructive examples of pictures that aren't real (Snopes tear-down of the sharks in the flooded mall picture), offers that are too good to be true (pyramid schemes), how to know the person you e-mail is a real person (meet Eliza), and so on. I think this would make most children more aware of what might be happening on the other side of the screen; and it might even discourage the few who might be tempted to run scams when they see how little the returns must be.
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The bizarre thing is that recent sociological research shows that in fact there are many more college educated women than men, in some places (like NYC) it's up to 3:1 F:M.
However, maybe the myth that they "want to cheat" might be what's at odds.
I'll just be over here on Tinder where the real ratio matches the sociological research.
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Likewise, Axe is a thief for selling boys on the idea that spraying themselves will make babes throw themselves at said stinky young men
I assume the purpose is that Axe will dissolve the nose lining of any of its victims thereby rendering them unable to smell the remaining BO.
Pantene is a thief for selling women on the idea that using their brand of shampoo will make them supermodels.
I assume from this that you've never grown your hair long. Trust me, if you have long hair, and especially if it's not just dead straight, you need proper haircare products to keep sane. I thought I could wing it with cheap stuff, but that didn't work.
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If you have to cheat on your partner and risk bringing some STD back home then perhaps divorce is in order or maybe time spent with someone in the mental health industry. Have a Great Day sir.
He gay!
One lonely night many years ago, after hearing my neighbors fuck too many times while I was single, I joined it. But... never logged back in.
The worst $40 spent, as I recall (although I didn't see my name in the credit card transactions, so maybe I didn't pay). And the best $19 never spent apparently!
I wonder how many others were similar case.
Don't assume.
Anyway, cut your hair, and no more need for "proper hair care products to keep sane".
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I don't think the author understands how either IP addresses or common components in a multi-tier application work, whether it's a load balancer or proxy forwarding HTTP requests or an application communicating with another system using some other protocol.
Likewise, Axe is a thief for selling boys on the idea that spraying themselves will make babes throw themselves at said stinky young men, and Pantene is a thief for selling women on the idea that using their brand of shampoo will make them supermodels.
Or... gurps_npc is a socialist idiot who doesn't know how humans are actually motivated.
FYI: The Axe commercial campaign was created by a woman...
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"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Posting anon for obvious reasons...
Been on AM for 6 years now. Had 5 relationships lasting between 6 months to 2 years. Either I just took a huge chunk of the few women there, or the stats cited here are made up.
I met 4 real women, had affairs with 2 of them. guess I beat the odds
Posting anonymously for obvious reasons...
In the city I live in (one of the top 10 for population in the US), there were real women on AM who would respond and meet in person. I met two of them for drinks. Of course, the reality of AM is that for me and the women I met it was just a form of marriage counseling where we needed someone to talk through some issues with. In both cases we talked openly about the challenges that arise at different points in marriages and how sex can suffer. We never talked fantasies and, despite obvious chemistry in one of the meetings, never thought of going further than casual conversation. Finding someone to talk to seemed to be what we were after.
Of course, they may have gone on to do more with other men. But, the only reason they said they responded was because mine one of the only non-creepy messages they received. Apparently even married guys think dick pics and very forward sexual comments are the best way to get a woman's attention (tip: no).
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So most of these guys whose lives are now ruined never even got any out of it in the first place? Or was that a very busy few women? Oh, man, and I already thought it was a stupid thing to sign up for!
There are some REAL sluts out there. 3 women to 7000+ men? WOOF.
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If you shake someone's hand and risk bringing some respiratory disease back home then perhaps divorce is in order or maybe time spent with someone in the mental health industry. Have a Great Day ma'am.
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That the ration was 2500 to one. Many people are saying to the BBC and others that they had little trouble meeting on the site.
There probably was a big disparity for all the reasons stated, but I'd be surprised if the end result was greater than about 50:1
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Since we are two orders of magnitude away from the goal, +50% really doesn't matter.
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Shocked I tell you!
I'm deleting all 6 of my accounts. I simply cant abide dishonesty.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
I hope the people who created/run that site a prosecuted for fraud. And all of the others, like PlentyOfFish.
Theory: Ashley Madison (Avid Life) "hacked" i.e. leaked, their own data as a publicity stunt (since their site was pathetic). Occam's Razor - it explains a few things quite simply. It explains how they managed to hack in. (No hacking involved.) It explains why they're so confident as to offer a huge bounty for the hackers when it seems clear they're about to go broke. (No hackers will be found.) It explains their strange silence to their customers. (You know like the guy who kills his wife, but claims she's missing, but then the cops get phone records and find out he's the ONLY one amongst all her friends & relatives, who ISN'T blowing up her phone with "Where are you?" messages.)
This should be good news for males in general, trust your wives, they are pretty decent people. Thats why I say women should be in charge of the world,,, they are so much more trustworthy.
If the wife refused to have relations with the husband it would normally fall on her to be responsible for aquiring the surrogate to replace her in those duties. At this point her and the husband could have seperate rooms, and he would just go on an overnight business trip when he had needs to take care of.
There is a good possibility some of this goes on in america as well. Perhaps it is time to have a serious discussion on the repressive and puritanical expectations pushed on us by the social minority.
You only have to look at the affiliate marketing commission being offered by these casual dating sites to see it's "men only"
I had a look at this a few years ago but, as my website is 95% female audience, it made no sense to try it.
So if they have no interest in paying for referrals of women where do the women come from?
Digging deeper you'll find that most of the affiliate partners are the porn websites.
The conclusion I came to was that the entire "casual dating" industry was just the monetisation of the online porn industry.
The BBC did an expose on it a few years back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TNwC4ctNE
I've wondered how long it'll be before this gets political and regulated.
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Maybe..... Maybe Not................
but let's be honest here, men need to have sex in order to keep healthy and sane.
That explains a lot about Wizardchan.org.
Duh. What a shocker.
This situation is calling out for a class-action suit. I am just curious about how many men would join the lawsuit. Can they remain anonymous?
I bet the people who committed suicide over this are feeling pretty stupid right now.
Fine I will post as "anonymous coward"...just some real world facts to add to the conversation. ...look like i`m about 35...have been with girls ranging from 20 to
] I have been on and off the AM website since 2008. I have met countless woman and have had
a a number of relationships lasting from a few months to almost a year. I also have probably had
sex with at least 20 girls from that site. Am I proud of this? No..just putting some real experiences in the conversation.There are definitely fake profiles
on the site but most are pretty easy to recognize. I am in my early 50`s
45. Save your outrage not interested.
Lesbians tend to be more particular and nit-picky than straight women or straight men. Where did you get your facts?