But all the components of the Mac you mentioned were developed at Xerox PARC during the 70s. The Mac may have been an innovative *product* but none of the technologies you mention were. Ethernet, Bitmapped Screens, Laser Printers, Personal Computers (in the modern sense) among other things all came out of PARC. Even then it was the development of other's work (Ivan Sutherland, Doug Englebart pre Xerox)...
> Quite possibly the Berkeley 'r'-commands > are the blackest chapter in the UNIX > historybook.
But using the r-commands, emacs with ange-ftp, NFS and distributed X on workstations is what shows the true power of the 'network is the computer' type of environment. From a security standpoint, they are all nightmares, but the concepts they implement are very important. A lot of unix development was done in a pre-Internet (to any significant degree) academic environment.
Since the entire thing is 3Mb, runs on your own 95/NT bitty-box (or Linux), has pre-compiled binaries for both, and installs in about 2 minutes flat, this is a little bit pointless...
Zope is very interesting though - especially the new 2.0, which looks to take a lot of pain out of the development process compared to the older version.
Even if you just use it for content management, with no custom code, you still get delegation and revision management, transactional changes (undo) and other goodies.
In about 3 seconds flat you get into the same situation as present British 'indecency' laws, where learned people get to sit about for months on end debating what 'extreme hate speech' really means.
And under whose laws would it be illegal?
Is one country really going to care that much about the other country's 'evil' ratings? About as much as US porn sites currently desperately try to stop those in less, erm, enlightened communities from giving them money even though it is against the local laws, I suspect.
Intel do a 2U rackmount with dual CPU board, network management, SCSI onboard, Ethernet onboard, optionally redhat pre-installed and *supported*. I was told 'about £1400' ($2000) configured, which seems reasonable for a built, pre-loaded, brandname machine.
While plenty of browsers support PNG now, how many support the alpha channel bits? Or graphics packages for that matter?
This is a serious question - last I looked nothing really could display alphachannel PNGs and the tools I was using (Photoshop 4 mainly) didn't create them, even though Photoshop in particular has a pretty good concept of transparency.
So rather then let the US government try and control the internet, create *another* bunch of governments to fight with each other *and* the existing ones... I'm there.
"Our border extends as far as the third ethercard in that box over there. Anything above layer 4 in the stack is not our problem, it's international ether..."
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Since when has the US had total control over domains registered on the net?
Will they extradite me from the UK for registering in 'bad faith'? I really don't think so Chet.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but what is it about QMail that allows you to get around 16bit UIDs? Do you just use vpasswd and users/assign for everyone or is there some less, err, clunky way in which it helps?
(We use Qmail and love it, BTW - It saved out old mail server from death when we finally dumped qpopper)
Umm, yes - they are (were originally) used as comms servers for terminals:-)
Plug your 64 telesales staff into your unix ordering system from their vt100's? Wire up your college terminal room so that users have access to a generic telnet prompt to access your hosts?
> the next problem is what to do with all the > serial cables? I hav no idea! Maybe there are > some type of hub...
What you need is a terminal server - we have a bunch of (now idle) Chase IOLan (www.chaser.co.uk) rack boxes that take 16 serial ports each and turn them into telnet connections (we used to use them to handle dial in from individual modems for PPP before things like the Ascend Max and the Portmaster existed). I'm pretty sure you can do the opposite, and telnet to the box to access it's ports. You certainly can on some equivalent boxes (Xylogics Annexe, Equinoxe etc...). They are probably pretty cheap to pick up now. We paid about $1300 each for ours, but that was a few years ago now.
Warning: "High-speed" (>19200bps) sucks a bit on the Chase. The older boxes in general have pretty crummy UARTs, since they were designed to handle 16 vt100/wyse terminal sessions, not 16 simultaneous 33600 downloads.
So if I invent a better sausage machine, from thin air, without looking at existing (patented) sausage machines, the fact that it produces a sausage is an infringement of SausageCo's patent?
Who decides whether a salami is different from a pork sausage?
Aren't patents the protection of a mechanism (or it's electronic equivalent), rather than the protection against 'all things that cause effect X or procuce output X'?
Assuming David Sheff had his facts straight in Game Over, part of Atari's problem in the Tengen case was that they illegally tricked the copyright office into parting with the 'secret plans' for Ninendo's copy-protection scheme by claiming it was part of a court action. It was NOT a clean-room job at all.
Working on the same assumption about Game Over though, Nintendos business practices over the years have been highly suspect. Maybe it's something about that Redmond air?
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But all the components of the Mac you mentioned were developed at Xerox PARC during the 70s. The Mac may have been an innovative *product* but none of the technologies you mention were. Ethernet, Bitmapped Screens, Laser Printers, Personal Computers (in the modern sense) among other things all came out of PARC. Even then it was the development of other's work (Ivan Sutherland, Doug Englebart pre Xerox)...
> Quite possibly the Berkeley 'r'-commands
> are the blackest chapter in the UNIX
> historybook.
But using the r-commands, emacs with ange-ftp, NFS and distributed X on workstations is what shows the true power of the 'network is the computer' type of environment. From a security standpoint, they are all nightmares, but the concepts they implement are very important. A lot of unix development was done in a pre-Internet (to any significant degree) academic environment.
"* Netscape's introduction of an integrated mail, news, and browser application"
:-)
Lucid Emacs (jwz's previous project) did all that and, err, edited text files, etc,etc,etc,etc,etc first!
Since the entire thing is 3Mb, runs on your own 95/NT bitty-box (or Linux), has pre-compiled binaries for both, and installs in about 2 minutes flat, this is a little bit pointless...
Zope is very interesting though - especially the new 2.0, which looks to take a lot of pain out of the development process compared to the older version.
Even if you just use it for content management, with no custom code, you still get delegation and revision management, transactional changes (undo) and other goodies.
But who gets to define 'misrating'?
In about 3 seconds flat you get into the same situation as present British 'indecency' laws, where learned people get to sit about for months on end debating what 'extreme hate speech' really means.
And under whose laws would it be illegal?
Is one country really going to care that much about the other country's 'evil' ratings? About as much as US porn sites currently desperately try to stop those in less, erm, enlightened communities from giving them money even though it is against the local laws, I suspect.
Intel do a 2U rackmount with dual CPU board, network management, SCSI onboard, Ethernet onboard, optionally redhat pre-installed and *supported*. I was told 'about £1400' ($2000) configured, which seems reasonable for a built, pre-loaded, brandname machine.
While plenty of browsers support PNG now, how many support the alpha channel bits? Or graphics packages for that matter?
:)
This is a serious question - last I looked nothing really could display alphachannel PNGs and the tools I was using (Photoshop 4 mainly) didn't create them, even though Photoshop in particular has a pretty good concept of transparency.
I would really like to be using this feature!
So rather then let the US government try and control the internet, create *another* bunch of governments to fight with each other *and* the existing ones... I'm there.
"Our border extends as far as the third ethercard in that box over there. Anything above layer 4 in the stack is not our problem, it's international ether..."
Since when has the US had total control over domains registered on the net?
Will they extradite me from the UK for registering in 'bad faith'? I really don't think so Chet.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but what is it about QMail that allows you to get around 16bit UIDs? Do you just use vpasswd and users/assign for everyone or is there some less, err, clunky way in which it helps?
(We use Qmail and love it, BTW - It saved out old mail server from death when we finally dumped qpopper)
Umm, yes - they are (were originally) used as comms servers for terminals :-)
Plug your 64 telesales staff into your unix ordering system from their vt100's? Wire up your college terminal room so that users have access to a generic telnet prompt to access your hosts?
> the next problem is what to do with all the
> serial cables? I hav no idea! Maybe there are
> some type of hub...
What you need is a terminal server - we have a bunch of (now idle) Chase IOLan (www.chaser.co.uk) rack boxes that take 16 serial ports each and turn them into telnet connections (we used to use them to handle dial in from individual modems for PPP before things like the Ascend Max and the Portmaster existed). I'm pretty sure you can do the opposite, and telnet to the box to access it's ports. You certainly can on some equivalent boxes (Xylogics Annexe, Equinoxe etc...). They are probably pretty cheap to pick up now. We paid about $1300 each for ours, but that was a few years ago now.
Warning: "High-speed" (>19200bps) sucks a bit on the Chase. The older boxes in general have pretty crummy UARTs, since they were designed to handle 16 vt100/wyse terminal sessions, not 16 simultaneous 33600 downloads.
So if I invent a better sausage machine, from thin air, without looking at existing (patented) sausage machines, the fact that it produces a sausage is an infringement of SausageCo's patent?
Who decides whether a salami is different from a pork sausage?
Aren't patents the protection of a mechanism (or it's electronic equivalent), rather than the protection against 'all things that cause effect X or procuce output X'?
Assuming David Sheff had his facts straight in Game Over, part of Atari's problem in the Tengen case was that they illegally tricked the copyright office into parting with the 'secret plans' for Ninendo's copy-protection scheme by claiming it was part of a court action. It was NOT a clean-room job at all.
Working on the same assumption about Game Over though, Nintendos business practices over the years have been highly suspect. Maybe it's something about that Redmond air?