"Library books are free for all to borrow, but people don't all go there and borrow as many as they can just because it's open to anyone for free."
Check your Library card. Most public libraries limit the maximum amount of books you can take out. And they have fines for late returns.
"Water from a public drinking fountain is free, but nobody sits there all day filling up bottles of water just because it's free."
But when piped water was new, they did just that. It took a lot of teaching to get our curent social stigma of wasting water that comes from a tap.
"Besides, the "tragedy of the commons" is usually used as an example of why government control of something is bad. Yet in this case the connection is owned by a private company, and you're still crying about the 'tragedy of the commons'?"
Er... So, because I dont use the argument in the traditional role, its wrong? And, I seriously think you have the wrong end of the stick there with your given usage too.
"If it wasn't for the shared backbone you wouldn't have an internet connection at all."
Yes. And no. Networking is more complicated than that these days. But I'm not saying a shared escential resource is inherently wrong. (Apart from single point of faliure, but thats a diferent argument all together)
"I find nothing tragic about having this sort of 'commons', it's an enabling device for crying out loud!"
Uh huh? And your point was what exactly?
The 'Commons' example is for an *Uncontroled* and *Unmetered* limited availablity resource. I dont understand how anything you've said is relevent to what I said.
Which part of 'Bandwidth is a limited resource' and 'The companies have to pay more to get more bandwidth' did you fail to understand?
Sure the companies may suck, and may do bad things like that. But claiming that theft is of bandwidth is deminished in this way is going to backfire and potray those of us looking for 'internet fredom' as swindlers. As I said, the 'Hack the Planet' mentality is doing much more damage than good.
Broadband internet useage is turning out to be a real life demonstration of the tragedy of the commons for some.
For those who have not studied Sociology, I'll summarise.
In a village, there is a common patch of land. General consences decreed that the land was free for any to graze their animals on. After a while, many people decided to graze as many animals as they physicaly could on the patch of land. Eventualy the commons becomes a muddy barran field due to over grazing. (Note, actualy, in large scale, this can, and has, turned grassland in to wasteland and even desert.)
The point is, many people have been saying 'Its the Internet, you paid for a connection, you have the right to use it to the full!' for so long. (ref, countless slashdot articles) Now people belive that bandwidth restrictions are artificial, that the cable companies are just trying to get as much money as they can. (Actualy, the Cable companies rent bandwidth in turn from companies which did speculative investment in laying high bandwidth cables. So if they need to increase bandwidth, they have to pay more.) This results in people asuming they have a right, and even a moral obligation, to take as much bandwidth as they can and 'share stuff'.
As another example, it would be wrong to take up two seats on an airliner when you only bought one ticket.
This scam is the equivelent of forgeing an airline ticket. Crude, and likely to end you up in hot water.
An order is not a sale even if money has exchanged hands.
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There have been WIGs for 'comercial sale', on a per customer design and build scale. Some companies such as Airfoil have standard designs for airfoil types and construct them for sale.
At the moment Flightship dont apear to be offering anything for imediate sale. And you have to register with them just to get a sales inquiry aplication form.
At the moment, I'm going to class Flightship as intresting vapourware.
Er... Actualy, yes, Data Formats are Network Standards.
Check the 'Presentation Layer' of the well known seven layer model. Thus, its perfectly rational to have an audio format aimed at network use be standardised in this way.
'liestochildren', part of the act of teaching, meaning 'This isnt actualy how the thing works, but its a suitable enougth aproximation for a quick explanation'
In a proper DNS system, you dont have outbound DNS querries except from the DNS server in your network. Hence, blocking all outbound DNS querries works. Each client in the network should be set to querry the networks DNS server, and this in turn querries other servers. (DNS is a recursivly distributed network, your DNS server will pass on your querries on the clients behalf)
Clients should not have to directly querry DNS servers off site or outside of your ISP. Clients should never directly querry the root servers.
What is happening here is that various ISPs and Companies which have large amounts of desktop PCs getting their information via dhcp. These do some house keeping on boot up. If the settings are screwed up either on the desktop or the server, then the dhcp will send off querries and updates to DNS servers it thinks it needs to.
So, if you'r so eleet that you set your internal home network to be slashdot.net, with little nodes such as www for your webcache, you might be causing the real slashdot.net problems. This will be because the dhcp gets confused and thinks it needs to report to its higher up level, the real slashdot.net DNS servers.
If you just have bare nodes like 'foo' and 'bar', then dhcp can be screwed up so it trys to report to the higher up level, the root servers.
As you can track down every system and user who has these things malset, you have to filter on firewalls.
I wonder if this will be an adaption of the manga, or an adaption of the anime.
The anime was created while the manga was in its early issues with a lot of plotline unresolved. It didnt make an atempt to follow the manga except for use of some set pieces and characters.
A live action adaptation sounds interesting. Unfortunatly, thats 'Street Fighter', 'Gyver' and 'Final Fantasy' interesting. And for me, having run an anime soc, having seen Akira many many times had sucked all the enjoyment out of it already. So I worry that Hollywood will try to suck more.
You know, reading through this post, and the comments leads me to one conclusion.
Slashdot wienies belive Bandwidth is an infinate available resource, and that ISPs choke hold on it simply to annoy.
Well, its not. Someone has to pay for all that bandwidth being used, because the ISPs have to pay the owners of the cables. (Those 'DarkFiber' layers who went around putting in high bandwidth cables, you know, there were Slashdot posts about it.) Useage of a cable is rationed and controled by these people to maintain their income, and severly controled.
So if a small group of users starts to overwhelm the normal users in your bandwidth you have a couple of choices. Rent more bandwidth and increase the ISP charges to *everyone*, or charge the small group.
Most Slashdot wienies dont belive in paying for what they want aparently.
I hardly ever post comments to Slashdot, but this time I'm going to.
This article steps over the line and into libal. OpenOSX is not violating the GPL, it never was, and it wasnt even acused of doing so. What did happen is that Pfisterer thought that every redistributor who used Gimp and Frink should point out that he's responsable. Which may seam reasionable, but the problem is you have lots of contributors behind gimp, do they all get credits on the web page and promotional material? Or do you do what *every* other distribution does, and put the READMEs and CONTRIBUTORs files in the documentation and source.
Acusing OpenOSX of violating the GPL on a high trafic site like this is going to damage them a lot. How about an apology for publishing something that was flat wrong? its what I'd expect from a real news source.
What have OpenOSX done wrong? Sell open source software CDs at a high mark up, RedHat does that.
As a long time reader of Slashdot, I'm getting fed up of the Tabloid instincts being shown, and I'd like the Editorial Staff to Grow Up and show some Responsability.
Slashdot Mirror
"Library books are free for all to borrow, but people don't all go there and borrow as many as they can just because it's open to anyone for free."
Check your Library card. Most public libraries limit the maximum amount of books you can take out. And they have fines for late returns.
"Water from a public drinking fountain is free, but nobody sits there all day filling up bottles of water just because it's free."
But when piped water was new, they did just that. It took a lot of teaching to get our curent social stigma of wasting water that comes from a tap.
"Besides, the "tragedy of the commons" is usually used as an example of why government control of something is bad. Yet in this case the connection is owned by a private company, and you're still crying about the 'tragedy of the commons'?"
Er... So, because I dont use the argument in the traditional role, its wrong? And, I seriously think you have the wrong end of the stick there with your given usage too.
"If it wasn't for the shared backbone you wouldn't have an internet connection at all."
Yes. And no. Networking is more complicated than that these days. But I'm not saying a shared escential resource is inherently wrong. (Apart from single point of faliure, but thats a diferent argument all together)
"I find nothing tragic about having this sort of 'commons', it's an enabling device for crying out loud!"
Uh huh? And your point was what exactly?
The 'Commons' example is for an *Uncontroled* and *Unmetered* limited availablity resource. I dont understand how anything you've said is relevent to what I said.
I'm dyslexic. But I do enjoy people constantly correcting me on things I have no hope of changing. Thank you.
Please feel free to code a spell checker for slashcode if you want.
Which part of 'Bandwidth is a limited resource' and 'The companies have to pay more to get more bandwidth' did you fail to understand?
Sure the companies may suck, and may do bad things like that. But claiming that theft is of bandwidth is deminished in this way is going to backfire and potray those of us looking for 'internet fredom' as swindlers. As I said, the 'Hack the Planet' mentality is doing much more damage than good.
Broadband internet useage is turning out to be a real life demonstration of the tragedy of the commons for some.
For those who have not studied Sociology, I'll summarise.
In a village, there is a common patch of land. General consences decreed that the land was free for any to graze their animals on. After a while, many people decided to graze as many animals as they physicaly could on the patch of land. Eventualy the commons becomes a muddy barran field due to over grazing. (Note, actualy, in large scale, this can, and has, turned grassland in to wasteland and even desert.)
The point is, many people have been saying 'Its the Internet, you paid for a connection, you have the right to use it to the full!' for so long. (ref, countless slashdot articles) Now people belive that bandwidth restrictions are artificial, that the cable companies are just trying to get as much money as they can. (Actualy, the Cable companies rent bandwidth in turn from companies which did speculative investment in laying high bandwidth cables. So if they need to increase bandwidth, they have to pay more.) This results in people asuming they have a right, and even a moral obligation, to take as much bandwidth as they can and 'share stuff'.
As another example, it would be wrong to take up two seats on an airliner when you only bought one ticket.
This scam is the equivelent of forgeing an airline ticket. Crude, and likely to end you up in hot water.
An order is not a sale even if money has exchanged hands.
There have been WIGs for 'comercial sale', on a per customer design and build scale. Some companies such as Airfoil have standard designs for airfoil types and construct them for sale.
At the moment Flightship dont apear to be offering anything for imediate sale. And you have to register with them just to get a sales inquiry aplication form.
At the moment, I'm going to class Flightship as intresting vapourware.
Er... Actualy, yes, Data Formats are Network Standards.
Check the 'Presentation Layer' of the well known seven layer model. Thus, its perfectly rational to have an audio format aimed at network use be standardised in this way.
Please also note that MPEG is a Network Standard.
http://www.domainregistry.ie/tech/dynamic-dns.html tells you how to disable the 'registration' problem with MacOS and NT.
The bigger problem is that of making sure you use sane name spaces, and never conflict with real ones.
'liestochildren', part of the act of teaching, meaning 'This isnt actualy how the thing works, but its a suitable enougth aproximation for a quick explanation'
(Begin liestochildren style technical summary)
In a proper DNS system, you dont have outbound DNS querries except from the DNS server in your network. Hence, blocking all outbound DNS querries works. Each client in the network should be set to querry the networks DNS server, and this in turn querries other servers. (DNS is a recursivly distributed network, your DNS server will pass on your querries on the clients behalf)
Clients should not have to directly querry DNS servers off site or outside of your ISP. Clients should never directly querry the root servers.
What is happening here is that various ISPs and Companies which have large amounts of desktop PCs getting their information via dhcp. These do some house keeping on boot up. If the settings are screwed up either on the desktop or the server, then the dhcp will send off querries and updates to DNS servers it thinks it needs to.
So, if you'r so eleet that you set your internal home network to be slashdot.net, with little nodes such as www for your webcache, you might be causing the real slashdot.net problems. This will be because the dhcp gets confused and thinks it needs to report to its higher up level, the real slashdot.net DNS servers.
If you just have bare nodes like 'foo' and 'bar', then dhcp can be screwed up so it trys to report to the higher up level, the root servers.
As you can track down every system and user who has these things malset, you have to filter on firewalls.
I wonder if this will be an adaption of the manga, or an adaption of the anime.
The anime was created while the manga was in its early issues with a lot of plotline unresolved. It didnt make an atempt to follow the manga except for use of some set pieces and characters.
A live action adaptation sounds interesting. Unfortunatly, thats 'Street Fighter', 'Gyver' and 'Final Fantasy' interesting. And for me, having run an anime soc, having seen Akira many many times had sucked all the enjoyment out of it already. So I worry that Hollywood will try to suck more.
You know, reading through this post, and the comments leads me to one conclusion.
Slashdot wienies belive Bandwidth is an infinate available resource, and that ISPs choke hold on it simply to annoy.
Well, its not. Someone has to pay for all that bandwidth being used, because the ISPs have to pay the owners of the cables. (Those 'DarkFiber' layers who went around putting in high bandwidth cables, you know, there were Slashdot posts about it.) Useage of a cable is rationed and controled by these people to maintain their income, and severly controled.
So if a small group of users starts to overwhelm the normal users in your bandwidth you have a couple of choices. Rent more bandwidth and increase the ISP charges to *everyone*, or charge the small group.
Most Slashdot wienies dont belive in paying for what they want aparently.
I hardly ever post comments to Slashdot, but this time I'm going to.
This article steps over the line and into libal. OpenOSX is not violating the GPL, it never was, and it wasnt even acused of doing so. What did happen is that Pfisterer thought that every redistributor who used Gimp and Frink should point out that he's responsable. Which may seam reasionable, but the problem is you have lots of contributors behind gimp, do they all get credits on the web page and promotional material? Or do you do what *every* other distribution does, and put the READMEs and CONTRIBUTORs files in the documentation and source.
Acusing OpenOSX of violating the GPL on a high trafic site like this is going to damage them a lot. How about an apology for publishing something that was flat wrong? its what I'd expect from a real news source.
What have OpenOSX done wrong? Sell open source software CDs at a high mark up, RedHat does that.
As a long time reader of Slashdot, I'm getting fed up of the Tabloid instincts being shown, and I'd like the Editorial Staff to Grow Up and show some Responsability.