I run a very small ISP here in North Carolina, USA. We began experimenting with DSL connections last year.
Originally we were loath to try, since our backbone is priced based on usage. We assumed that if we connected a customer up at 768Kbps our usage might go up that much.
Boy were we wrong! We couldn't even see a difference on our backbone connection in spite of the additional load. After a few days running MRTG on that interface we found out why. The total usage was less than a modem would have been running full speed.
This DSL connection was to a graphic design business with 8 artists connected 24/7!
What we have discovered to be the rule is that most customers don't want bandwidth (yet, anyway!!!) they want SPEED! They don't run servers, they just want fast web page downloads.
I don't know how mulitmedia on the internet is going to change things, but so far we've found the bandwidth doesn't really go up that much. The usage is extremely bursty in nature with orders of magnitude more 0% usage than 100%.
That's why DSL is being distributed at such low costs, because most users don't cause the bandwidth to go up. The phone companies are planning on tax write-offs for the DSL equipment anyway so they aren't worried about it's cost. They just want to keep their service and bandwidth costs under control.
When customers start running servers, the low-bandwidth-usage rule goes out the window and that's why they don't allow them.
If you've got $40/month DSL, you aren't paying for the amount of bandwidth you think you have. If all the DSL users suddenly started downloading service packs, they'd find out that their provider has dramatically oversubscribed their available bandwidth. But in reality that never happens. Same deal with cable modems.
If you need real bandwidth (big company, service provider, etc.) you're going to have to pay for it unless you can "get one over" on your upstream!
Guess what? Under Bush it's actually gotten BETTER than it was! How is that possible? LIBERAL Ann Richards ran the state into the ground. Under Bush things have improved dramatically! The Texans re-elected him in a LANDSLIDE because he was making things BETTER.
Don't you love it when I use ALL CAPS like David Brin?
The depressing fact is: Someone will win the election.
A few facts for your calculator:
The top 1% of earners in the US pays more than 1/3 of the total tax received by our Government.
They only benefit from 1/5 of the reductions in the Bush tax reduction plan. The other 4/5 goes to those who pay the other 2/3 of the taxes. Especially the lowest wage earners.
So 1% of the population pays 1/3 of the taxes, and gets 1/5 of the break when it comes. Does that seem "fair and enlightened"? Speaking for myself, FAIR would be equal percentages from everyone. The more you work, the more you earn, the more you pay. I say this as someone who (with my wife's salary included) didn't make 35 Grand last year. I started my own business and took a 50% pay cut to do it because I want more control of my own destiny. "Government Gore" isn't the right choice for individual-minded people.
I'm no big fan of Bush, but he's done a good job in Texas. Since he's been governor, things have steadily improved from the the Richards era. Gore is a pathological liar with delusions of grandeur. Bush is a realist with common sense viewpoints. His economic conservatism will help this country deal with the coming recession. Just because "he don't talk funny like dem 'lectuals" doesn't mean that he's stupid. Gore's certainly no rocket scientist either. In fact he's said some pretty stupid things in his day. I wonder if either candidate can spell potato?
Here's the GREAT NEWS, with the Bush plan a family of four making 35 Grand a year pays NO TAX!!!!
35Grand may not seem like much to a lot of folks, but there are a lot who live on less! They can use the money they won't pay as tax for whatever they want, which probably means for their kids.
Like MOST LIBERALS, you don't trust people to spend their own money, do you? You think that the government taking it and giving it out as "entitlements" with strings attached is the better solution. Besides, someone has to hire all those useless sociology and political science majors, right?
The truth of the matter is that your pissed that the liberals didn't put somebody more electable on the ticket, right? Well join the club, the republicans aren't happy with Bush as a choice either! In fact, vote Cthulu, why settle for the lesser of two evils!
You're wrong on this one. Go write another good book and stop feeling guilty. At least your grammar and english skills are better than mine!
Happy Halloween
You should FIRST read all the security updates for your distribution otherwise you'll probably get rooted again. One of the most common exploits going is a "named" buffer overflow, so don't run a DNS unless you've got to and until you've upgraded to at least BIND 8.2.2-P5 or use DJBDNS. Learned this the hard way.
qmail is an excellent choice for securely replacing sendmail.
The government can this filter/that[sic] blackbox whatever much they want, we can still develop things like ANTIOCH, go outside of 'the internet' and the phone systems and do whatever we want. Hell, we could even go back to using types of computers with protocols, interfaces and formats so antiquated they would have no idea what kind of data we were sending.
Or you could just whisper. I hadn't thought of that! I'm talking real world here. The PSTN exists, the Net exists, most people in the U.S. get their Net access over a PSTN connection. Most if not all U.S. Internet Access is over some backbone provider.
And I wonder, is this a documented case of this Mitnik guy or just some vaguely remembered anecdote? Because it's pretty damn hard to lock somebody up for four years without trial or bail for stealing commercial secrets. Maybe military secrets? That I could see. But I've seen cases like this and not even the majorest of major corporations can get that kind of preferential treatment.
You've never heard of the Kevin Mitnick case? Doh!
Lincoln did not usurp any states' rights--as I recall those states had voluntarily seceeded, which is not allowed for in the constitution--the constitution of a union which they had voluntarily joined, knowing it had no concessions for secession. From the standpoint of the union they had not seceeded, but were firing their guns at the union forces. This was before slavery was declared illegal that the confederacy began shooting, and they shot first.
Hmmm... Let's see they could voluntarily join, but they couldn't unjoin because there was no explicit mention of unjoining. How convenient. You might want to try reading the U.S. Constitution, and I quote:
Article. VII. The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between
the States so ratifying the Same.
Yep you're right no mention of secession. But guess what? There's No Mention of a 'RIGHT TO PRIVACY' in there either. Does that mean that it doesn't exist? Common sense says that anything you 'voluntarily' join, you can leave. Just because some socialist professor gave you that weak answer regarding Lincoln's justification for the civil war doesn't mean it's correct.
NSA only monitors international communications. They do not have clearance or mandate to investigate or monitor domestic communications, nor are they allowed to have other countries' agencies do it for them. That kind of thing is carried out by the FBI, usually, or possibly the CIA.
I certainly can't argue with that. Their charter doesn't allow them to do it, so they couldn't possibly...
You seem to think there is nothing more important in life than business, making money and a living and getting what you want materially. Well, that's fine for you but there are those of us who don't look at life that way.
Uhmmm... Where did you get that from? FYI, I'm NOT answering the census beyond how many people live in my home. However, I do have a wife to support. I quit a job making >50 a year to start this ISP (where I make CONSIDERABLY less!) because it was what I wanted to do. I know a lot about sacrifice. Are you working your way through school? Have you ever worked on a farm?
I would gladly go to jail for 4 to 6 years if government wanted to put a box on my connection.
OK. Go to jail. The Government wants to put a blackbox on your connection.
And I know the next guy down the line would be saying "look at that guy, look at his sacrifice" and figure it was really important, and while some would take the box, others would follow my example or stand out in their own way.
My point was that "the populace" doesn't have the option to protest either actively or passively. If they want Net access it will be through the commercial channels I have mentioned. Those commercial channels are subject to government sanctions if they don't comply with government regulations. The Net is NOT free! It costs money to build backbones. It costs money to buy Access Servers. Suppose that ALL the small independant ISPs ignore a government mandate to put blackboxes on their stuff and get away with it. The Backbone providers (in my case Sprint... UUNet in April! WooHoo!) WILL comply. They don't want to be put out of business and they know that the Government can do it.
There are certain things worth fighting for. There are things worth going to prison for. Privacy is worth fighting for, but it's not worth going to prison for, to me. Your opinion may be different, that's fine, but don't expect most people to agree with you on that one, particularly when they have nothing to hide. And that's how they look at it! Why should they go to prison so someone else can trade kiddie-porn? It's just not going to happen.
And what would the government do, arrest the whole country?
Nope. They just have to harrass the Backbone providers. They are businesses, they want to make money. They won't make any trouble. It's easier for them to go along than to try and fight.
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
I own and operate a very small ISP. I used to think this way, until something happened a few years ago. There was this guy, Mitnik I think his name was. He broke into some commercial networks and obtained some secrets. They put his ass in jail and held him there without trial or bail for over 4 years. Last time I read the U.S. constitution that isn't supposed to happen. But it did. He had lawyers... so what! They couldn't help him. Ever since Lincoln completely usurped state's rights in the civil war the Federal Government has had complete control of a large part of the lives of U.S. citizens. Take a look at this latest census form if you don't believe me...
Q: How much did you pay to heat your home this winter?
Privacy has gone out the window. It is a FELONY to NOT answer these questions. Of course they won't use any of this information.
My point is that if Da Man shows up and says I have to put 'this filter' or 'that black box' on my internet connection, and "Oh By The Way! Here's the invoice for said equipment and you've also got to put in a special phone line just for our use so we don't have to 'bother' you when we want access!"
I don't have a choice. I do it or they put me out of business if I'm lucky. If I'm unlucky they hold me in jail for 4-6 years without trial or bail. Next ISP owner says, "Sure, stick it right there on the rack! I don't wanna end up like Robbie!"
MOST people (in the U.S. at least...) get ISP access through commercial entities which are completely at the mercy of this stuff, cause we're accountable. You clueless students need to go cash a reality check if you think the Government CAN'T do just what you're worried about. If there's enough popular sentiment to "protect our kids!!!" they'll do any damned thing they want.
Also if you think the government (NSA) doesn't already have the full cooperation of backbone providers and telcos in monitoring ANYTHING THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE... Come to my website I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas for sale.
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Yes, i'm being nitpicky and anal. But there are worse things to be (for example, redundant).
Yep, you're right. I remember now. What about Larry Wall, Linus Torvalds or the Director of the NSA! maybe some of these were already done, but I don't remember any of them! In any case, a/. interview of JP is as bad as MTV's hacker story!
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
You haven't been talking to my wife, that's for sure! The only reason I remembered that is it made quite an impression on me. Most of St. John's articles were worth a read whether you agree with them or not. I'm glad you took that comment the way I meant it and not the way it sounded. I try to type in the same tone of voice that I talk, but it's hard sometimes.
"You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge." --Rush
Eric, what do you think needs to be done about the increase in military style attacks on civilians by our police agencies. These (Waco, Ruby Ridge, assorted "drug busts") invasions have killed far too many innocents. What can we do?
"You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge." --Rush
qmail can do what you want. It's open source, free and very well done.
Depending on the hardware and OS, you should have no trouble running >25k users. There are POP and IMAP daemons available (some by the author, some not) and it is fast, secure and customizable
It natively supports Maildir and mbox delivery. Maildir stores messages as separate files in a directory instead of the mbox structure which makes it the ideal solution for NFS mounted mailboxes, which is crucial for that many users.
I can't say enough good things about qmail. You should at the very least evaluate it.
Don't make the mistake of trying to use Exchange! It is a real PITA!
"You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge." --Rush
The ISP I run uses a Rose Electronics KVM (Keyboard, Video, Mouse) switch... It lets us control a bunch of different Linux (an one NT) boxen with one mouse, keyboard and monitor. This works better in my opinion than the serial solution cause you can get X as well as console.
Maybe I'm paranoid, but I've avoided using two different cards that use the same driver for just this reason... it seems like it would be troublesome. We're using 3Com 905b in all our systems including 2 router boxen. They work real well with the newer drivers in dual and triple configurations. Isn't the pci ne2k driver supposed to be a little "problematic" I've never used one, so I couldn't say.
Moron! How are you going to give away a manual that's printed on non-free paper and printed on a REALLY non-free Heidelberg. However, it's trivial to provide binaries of software, especially if you've already got the dedicated bandwidth for some other reason. But I guarantee you, International Paper, etc. will not give away paper. Low Volume manuals like this one are $$EXPENSIVE$$ to produce and ~$50 is cheap for one. These people use this software in Their work, they have no reason to goof it up!
Use your head for a doorstop. That's what it seems capable of.
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'nuff said.
I honestly CAN'T believe the poster mentioned Microsoft Access.
Originally we were loath to try, since our backbone is priced based on usage. We assumed that if we connected a customer up at 768Kbps our usage might go up that much.
Boy were we wrong! We couldn't even see a difference on our backbone connection in spite of the additional load. After a few days running MRTG on that interface we found out why. The total usage was less than a modem would have been running full speed.
This DSL connection was to a graphic design business with 8 artists connected 24/7!
What we have discovered to be the rule is that most customers don't want bandwidth (yet, anyway!!!) they want SPEED! They don't run servers, they just want fast web page downloads.
I don't know how mulitmedia on the internet is going to change things, but so far we've found the bandwidth doesn't really go up that much. The usage is extremely bursty in nature with orders of magnitude more 0% usage than 100%.
That's why DSL is being distributed at such low costs, because most users don't cause the bandwidth to go up. The phone companies are planning on tax write-offs for the DSL equipment anyway so they aren't worried about it's cost. They just want to keep their service and bandwidth costs under control.
When customers start running servers, the low-bandwidth-usage rule goes out the window and that's why they don't allow them.
If you've got $40/month DSL, you aren't paying for the amount of bandwidth you think you have. If all the DSL users suddenly started downloading service packs, they'd find out that their provider has dramatically oversubscribed their available bandwidth. But in reality that never happens. Same deal with cable modems.
If you need real bandwidth (big company, service provider, etc.) you're going to have to pay for it unless you can "get one over" on your upstream!
Good Luck!
Guess what? Under Bush it's actually gotten BETTER than it was! How is that possible? LIBERAL Ann Richards ran the state into the ground. Under Bush things have improved dramatically! The Texans re-elected him in a LANDSLIDE because he was making things BETTER.
Don't you love it when I use ALL CAPS like David Brin?
The depressing fact is: Someone will win the election. A few facts for your calculator: The top 1% of earners in the US pays more than 1/3 of the total tax received by our Government. They only benefit from 1/5 of the reductions in the Bush tax reduction plan. The other 4/5 goes to those who pay the other 2/3 of the taxes. Especially the lowest wage earners. So 1% of the population pays 1/3 of the taxes, and gets 1/5 of the break when it comes. Does that seem "fair and enlightened"? Speaking for myself, FAIR would be equal percentages from everyone. The more you work, the more you earn, the more you pay. I say this as someone who (with my wife's salary included) didn't make 35 Grand last year. I started my own business and took a 50% pay cut to do it because I want more control of my own destiny. "Government Gore" isn't the right choice for individual-minded people. I'm no big fan of Bush, but he's done a good job in Texas. Since he's been governor, things have steadily improved from the the Richards era. Gore is a pathological liar with delusions of grandeur. Bush is a realist with common sense viewpoints. His economic conservatism will help this country deal with the coming recession. Just because "he don't talk funny like dem 'lectuals" doesn't mean that he's stupid. Gore's certainly no rocket scientist either. In fact he's said some pretty stupid things in his day. I wonder if either candidate can spell potato? Here's the GREAT NEWS, with the Bush plan a family of four making 35 Grand a year pays NO TAX!!!! 35Grand may not seem like much to a lot of folks, but there are a lot who live on less! They can use the money they won't pay as tax for whatever they want, which probably means for their kids. Like MOST LIBERALS, you don't trust people to spend their own money, do you? You think that the government taking it and giving it out as "entitlements" with strings attached is the better solution. Besides, someone has to hire all those useless sociology and political science majors, right? The truth of the matter is that your pissed that the liberals didn't put somebody more electable on the ticket, right? Well join the club, the republicans aren't happy with Bush as a choice either! In fact, vote Cthulu, why settle for the lesser of two evils! You're wrong on this one. Go write another good book and stop feeling guilty. At least your grammar and english skills are better than mine! Happy Halloween
qmail is an excellent choice for securely replacing sendmail.
DJBDNS may be of some help.
ipchains is your friend...
There are certain things worth fighting for. There are things worth going to prison for. Privacy is worth fighting for, but it's not worth going to prison for, to me. Your opinion may be different, that's fine, but don't expect most people to agree with you on that one, particularly when they have nothing to hide. And that's how they look at it! Why should they go to prison so someone else can trade kiddie-porn? It's just not going to happen. Nope. They just have to harrass the Backbone providers. They are businesses, they want to make money. They won't make any trouble. It's easier for them to go along than to try and fight.
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
I used to think this way, until something happened a few years ago. There was this guy, Mitnik I think his name was. He broke into some commercial networks and obtained some secrets. They put his ass in jail and held him there without trial or bail for over 4 years.
Last time I read the U.S. constitution that isn't supposed to happen. But it did. He had lawyers... so what! They couldn't help him.
Ever since Lincoln completely usurped state's rights in the civil war the Federal Government has had complete control of a large part of the lives of U.S. citizens. Take a look at this latest census form if you don't believe me...Privacy has gone out the window. It is a FELONY to NOT answer these questions. Of course they won't use any of this information.
My point is that if Da Man shows up and says I have to put 'this filter' or 'that black box' on my internet connection, and "Oh By The Way! Here's the invoice for said equipment and you've also got to put in a special phone line just for our use so we don't have to 'bother' you when we want access!"
I don't have a choice. I do it or they put me out of business if I'm lucky. If I'm unlucky they hold me in jail for 4-6 years without trial or bail. Next ISP owner says, "Sure, stick it right there on the rack! I don't wanna end up like Robbie!"
MOST people (in the U.S. at least...) get ISP access through commercial entities which are completely at the mercy of this stuff, cause we're accountable.
You clueless students need to go cash a reality check if you think the Government CAN'T do just what you're worried about. If there's enough popular sentiment to "protect our kids!!!" they'll do any damned thing they want.
Also if you think the government (NSA) doesn't already have the full cooperation of backbone providers and telcos in monitoring ANYTHING THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE... Come to my website I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas for sale.
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
Yep, you're right. I remember now. What about Larry Wall, Linus Torvalds or the Director of the NSA! maybe some of these were already done, but I don't remember any of them! /. interview of JP is as bad as MTV's hacker story!
In any case, a
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
After looking at your website, it's obvious that you've learned a lot from Microsoft's marketing over the years.
Do you think you will ever be ruled a monopoly and if so will you try to sue the judge?
Taco, Hemos etc., this is real disapointing. If you need a list of interviews to ask for, let me give you a few:
Donald Knuth, Bill Joy, Steve Wozniak, Alan Cox, George Patton, Mickey Mouse, Al Gore, Tipper Gore, Democrat Sponsored Tax Reduction
...Oops! A couple of these would be a problem wouldn't they? However, they are all more plausible than this one!
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
>You have a great memory, by the way
You haven't been talking to my wife, that's for sure! The only reason I remembered that is it made quite an impression on me. Most of St. John's articles were worth a read whether you agree with them or not. I'm glad you took that comment the way I meant it and not the way it sounded. I try to type in the same tone of voice that I talk, but it's hard sometimes.
"You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge." --Rush
You actually read that in a BOOT/Maximum PC article by Alex St. John.
"You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge." --Rush
Eric, what do you think needs to be done about the increase in military style attacks on civilians by our police agencies. These (Waco, Ruby Ridge, assorted "drug busts") invasions have killed far too many innocents. What can we do?
"You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge." --Rush
qmail can do what you want. It's open source, free and very well done.
Depending on the hardware and OS, you should have no trouble running >25k users. There are POP and IMAP daemons available (some by the author, some not) and it is fast, secure and customizable
It natively supports Maildir and mbox delivery. Maildir stores messages as separate files in a directory instead of the mbox structure which makes it the ideal solution for NFS mounted mailboxes, which is crucial for that many users.
I can't say enough good things about qmail. You should at the very least evaluate it.
Don't make the mistake of trying to use Exchange! It is a real PITA!
"You can twist perceptions, reality won't budge." --Rush
PBS does not deserve sponsorship. It should be tried, shot and buried. Can I back up these statements?
one word: Teletubbies!
The ISP I run uses a Rose Electronics KVM (Keyboard, Video, Mouse) switch... It lets us control a bunch of different Linux (an one NT) boxen with one mouse, keyboard and monitor. This works better in my opinion than the serial solution cause you can get X as well as console.
Maybe I'm paranoid, but I've avoided using two different cards that use the same driver for just this reason... it seems like it would be troublesome. We're using 3Com 905b in all our systems including 2 router boxen. They work real well with the newer drivers in dual and triple configurations.
Isn't the pci ne2k driver supposed to be a little "problematic"
I've never used one, so I couldn't say.
Not to mention the fact that the Linux version of Q3 Test runs smoother, faster and looks much better on the same hardware than the Win version
Moron! How are you going to give away a manual that's printed on non-free paper and printed on a REALLY non-free Heidelberg. However, it's trivial to provide binaries of software, especially if you've already got the dedicated bandwidth for some other reason. But I guarantee you, International Paper, etc. will not give away paper.
Low Volume manuals like this one are $$EXPENSIVE$$ to produce and ~$50 is cheap for one.
These people use this software in Their work, they have no reason to goof it up!
Use your head for a doorstop. That's what it seems capable of.