How much tech can you have in an industry with profit margins of 1 or 2%?
The net probably varies by store, but the old song about the grocer only making a penny or two on each item is long worn-out, even counting for inflation-driven price increases. There may be certain items in each store that are loss-leaders, but when I see whole-dollar differences in prices from store to store and have a general idea on what the wholesale prices are, it's hard to feel the pathos they desire.
It's quite different. Copyright can be assigned to the author or to the payer in full ownership - depends on how the contract is written. In many places, if it's not otherwise described in the contract as a work-for-hire, then the copyright stays with the author. Employment contracts can have something to say about it as well.
The OP doesn't tell us how his contract is structured, so there's not too much we can say about it specifically. That means we can only really offer advice on how to ask nicely, which is always the preferable method anyway.
It also reminds me that we might want to get some testimonials now from clients who were happy with work we've done in the past. I've met some of these jagoff developers of the type the OP has encountered. In my ethics, every contributors' name stays on the project forever, even if his code has been rewritten because it was that old code that got you to the place you are now in the first place. Attribution begets reputation, which is essential for a well-functioning society.
Oh, one last thing OP - if the new people you're talking to are the type who won't believe you that you've done the project and are showing you.js source to "prove" that you're not being honest - run away. Fast. They're going to fuck you on the payment for the project as well. Take a job via a word-of-mouth reference.
The description also sounded like ssh would have to take a much more active role than just maintaining a tunnel and setting an environmment variable.
From what I understand, there's still lots of work to be done, it's pre-alpha. As I understand it, to do a remote window requires a local Wayland server to run to handle the drawing space, and then the client side has to consume VNC-like updates across the communications channel.
Ideally the wayland app's init routine will recognize $DISPLAY or some other variable and start that for you. But one can imagine a wrapper script or LD PRELOAD that ssh could involve that would do that too. On the client side, ssh could set everything up, but it might be a better separation of concerns to have a client-side script get fired off when ssh makes such a connection. Perhaps such a mechanism could even be genericized to the point of wayland being a specific case implementation of a tunnel/client-setup/server-setup arrangement.
I'm not sure that its xauth handling is relevant at that point. I think the ssh-agent stuff is handled below X.
Just to be clear, this is just based on what I've read - I don't know the Wayland line protocol. But I don't get the idea that people think this would mean the end of remote windows or that the openssh folks wouldn't support an additional display technology.
"The only reason they're not all SSD's is because SSD's are expensive and unreliable."
This was true years ago. I'm surprised you still think so now. I'm not saying SSDs make sense for every use case, but 300MB+ sustained read/write speed is within single-drive capabilities now, with drive costs down to $1 per GB for good MLC.
And hard drives are 4 cents per GB. My 5x1.5TB home storage array would cost $7500 to do in SSD. And there's still the matter of controller failures. I'll grant that the Intel parts are pretty good and the Sandforce controllers are better than average, but, man, I see Kingston, Mushkin, Transcend, and Crucial parts just stop working on an all too frequent basis to use for permanent storage. I do use them as wonderful cache devices and where high speed is worth having to do and rely on backups. But if they're in a write cache, they're going to be SLC mirrors for any application where a loss of revenue is possible (not home storage though).
I think that depends on your definition of normal and inexpensive.
Normal: not IT people. Like my neighbor who just buys one at Best Buy and plugs it in for his Windows Media Center PC to store movies on (true story).
Inexpensive: The 2x3TB Buffalo is currently under $400.
I'm somewhat surprised to see you declaring SSDs expensive, but SAN (even low-end SAN) as affordable.
So, if that $400 Buffalo system was SSD-based it would be about $6000. Are we talking past each other here?
10GigE is only useful if the Internet pipeline supports it
Huh? Why does that have any effect on LAN activity?
my NAS is a two-drive solution that couldn't handle anything about gigabit, even if I had a hankering to play with it.
Which is cool. Your current (or slightly behind the times) system doesn't need the next networking technology that will be out in a couple years and with us for the next decade. I don't get why this would make people say that gigabit is and always will be plenty.
If Manning felt the need for whistle blowing, he had various options that did not include sending all that data to a foreign organization.
You are aware that he contacted the NYT and WashPo. (to the point of WashPo having a copy of the Apache video) and they didn't report on it, right? He then went to Wikileaks (allegedly).
And WikiLeaks isn't 'foreign', it's a post-nation-state entity (without allegiance to any government).
Learn some history. Look what it took to get the Civil Rights Act passed.
No significant unjust law has ever been overturned by people obeying it and then voting for somebody who promised to represent them in hopes they would get it repealed.
They forget to teach that in Civics class, don't they?
Funny how that's pretty much the definition of "Conservative", eh?
and they aren't the religious nuts, they're the eco-nuts.
Those are just the useful idiots. Greenpeace, for example, who incidentally have another reason to hate nuclear power over this thing in Chad (oh, wait, no, that's the opposite).
they've built their home on it and it must be preserved
Ah, yes, now we're getting there. Northern Europe represents vast property wealth in an area that's only viable with the Gulf Stream keeping it warm. There's a fear that when the Greenland ice shelves melt again (it's eventually inevitable) the thermohaline circulation will change and deflect the Gulf Stream away from Northern Europe. In which case its environment would be like most of the other land at that latitude.
It's a small chance, but when you own a large chunk of Europe and have significant control over most of the western governments, you have no problem spending other people's money to protect your own.
The same goes for coastal areas in the US. Just like we have the National Flood Insurance Program so poor people in the US can subsidize the vacation homes of the wealthy, so too must those same people have their wealth seized on a gamble that it'll stop beach erosion. Heck, when I was a kid, the beaches all had shacks and bungalows on them (because there was a good chance of them getting destroyed by a hurricane) and now those are all gone and replaced with multi-million dollar mansions, because they can now be insured by the Feds.
Manning's most important oath is to defend the Constitution against enemies domestic - that oath takes precedent over any others. And it's exactly what he did.
Besides that, how can you possibly not have learned the lesson Nuremberg?
But the odds of that happening in time, against the hegemony, are asymptotic to zero. Since the last time it happened the two big parties have spent more than a century and a half ensconcing their rule in law.
* or more other more-difficult-to-understand-and-implement Condorcet method
Agreed - zfs should be able to set these parameters directly. It's the dirtbag drive manufacturers who are artificially segmenting the market because they know that people like the sibling poster will shell out 5x+ more money for drives that aren't really needed.
That said, SAS locators are pretty nice in huge arrays. It's still a $400 blinky light though. Crikey, I should wire up a microcontroller to do this.
Thanks for the head's up - I sent Petar a message to see if he's going to renew the domain.
BTW, there's no need for a guaranteed minimum income, productivity improvements should take care of that if real money exists. The 1964 minimum wage, extended to today, nets about $25/hr, which is plenty for entry level work. Our debased currency makes it much sadder, of course.
I think I saw Walter Williams work out that we should have about 15,000 Congressmen by now. In my State there are about 400 legislators for 1.3 million people and that works out about right. They make $100/yr (plus mileage).
And they will do that. If you don't think so then you haven't worked in that type of environment.
I see you have.:)
So, this gets to the heart of the matter. The OP needs a meatspace policy, not [just] an ACL. That policy needs to specify consequences for routing around company security. The best time to get this through is before the critical system comes back online.
If the management is unwilling to give him that policy, then he needs to let them know what will happen, and preferably get a paper trail ACK on that. If management still wants to make such outages his problem, then he needs to find a non-abusive employer.
It doesn't matter, remote storage is faster than gigabit. I don't need to hit 10 to get a benefit.
but not even an SSD can keep up with an avalanche of data requests from multiple systems unless that remote server is pretty damn beefy by home standards.
What? That's the whole point of fileservers. They need to meet the usage, of course, but that's an always increasing spec.
Simpler to keep your OS local, and trivial as far as cost.
Consolidating is always cheaper (per unit of storage) and it's easier to back up and manage, keep on UPS power, etc.
You'll need a heck of a RAID array for that, but it's buildable. Or, you could just stick with GigE, since that still tops out at 125MB/s and that pushes local (non-SSD) storage.
eh, my current central storage is 5 hard drives in a ZFS raidz2 with one SSD split up for L2ARC (cache) and ZIL (write cache). The entirely of the setup difficulty is:
Oh, I had to plug in 6 SATA cables. Typical throughput is about 340MB/s. The only reason they're not all SSD's is because SSD's are expensive and unreliable. If it wasn't a home machine, the ZIL would be on a mirror of SSD's.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that this requires a lot more than just a high-speed connection. High-end connection + craptastic router = terrible latency when dealing with high load.
Switch, not router. There are problems with current buffer management techniques that effectively means that higher ceiling room means latency improvements. Google 'bufferbloat'. Things like CoDel will make this better when the pipes are more full, but they're not widely deployed yet.
"I have my home wired up like a datacenter. Everyone else should want a huge amount of network capacity and capability so that it makes my already extravagant costs slightly cheaper."
JHFCOAS - this is Slashdot. What we're doing now is what will be sold in a box for $200 at WalMart in five years. I'm amazed to find tech geeks who don't even know that normal people have been buying inexpensive Buffalo and WD SAN solutions at the office supply store since 2008. And with all this shit going on about the NSA, you can bet people are going to be pulling some of their stuff back out of the cloud.
I think first you must prove the universe was created. That's going to be a nigh impossible task.
Actually, it's not and there's some data from gravity wave experiments to indicate that our universe cheats below the atomic scale but way before the Plank length, which may indicate that it's a simulation. The shape of that noise closely matches a simulated universe model where 3d space is a projection from a quantized spherical shell.
The first question I always ask theists is if their God must be omnipotent in every universe. Our universe could be run by a pimply-faced youth in a high school science class, and he may be omnipotent in our universe but a 98-pound weakling in his. Adolescence may adequately explain his questionable behavior as recorded in the Old Testament.
Anybody know if Wayland is doing something sane about input isolation? It's really bothersome that X allows every other X app to steal my keystrokes. Want my root-privileged sudo password? Just get me to run some malicious X app. Is there a malicious keystroke logger in Google Earth? Who knows.
Unless there's something preventing the implementation of a dummy Wayland server (memory backed) then (if I understand how this thing works...) starting a "remote" Wayland app would need a wrapper that would instantiate a dummy Wayland render space and some signal ssh would have to carry back to launch a Wayland client on your console side, and ssh would have to plumb the I/O. ssh would probably need a flag to start this (too bad -W is taken) and obviously somebody has to write it, but it's not like nobody wrote the code to do -X and -Y, because it is really useful.
My God, the luddites have taken over Slashdot tonight.
When I have 10Gb at home, I'll:
* Boot every PC from a remote server. No need even for local swap.
* Have a much better time doing backups. When I get a new computer, the first thing I do is boot a liveOS and run:
gzip/dev/sda | nc home.server 12345
and on the other end store the image. That way it can in theory go back for factory service if needed. The bottleneck is completely the network here, and it's slow even at gigabit speeds.
* Never worry about multiple devices maxxing out the switch trunks.
* Never worry about traffic spikes increasing latency on sensitive protocols.
Because a monopoly 'justice' system that's forced on them and violates their right of conscience and religious teachings is not an externally imposed burden at all.
They refuse a process, one that's claimed to get justice, when it often does not.
It's so funny to see people call the US a 'Christian Nation' when its conflict resolution system is based on vengeance and disallows third party defense, contrary to all just moral codes do (this would help the Amish here). Jesus taught forgiveness, tolerance, and mutual aid - it's really hard to mesh the two.
At the same time, if the Amish were to actually defend their property rights, the government that runs this so-called 'justice' system would do things to the Amish that would be considered illegal if anybody else did it and immoral by most watchers.
There are conflict resolution systems that are compatible with property rights and the kinds of non-zero sum games that Jesus taught. We're not allowed to choose those here - the default system is always in play and it's based on retribution and violence. The Amish's resolve is admirable in this case. Blaming the victim is never admirable.
I'm really not sure how the tablet your kid is staring at while you were focused on driving helped. You were focused on driving right? Or are you telling us that you are exactly the problem that needs correcting?
Why don't you actually read his entire comment before lecturing him about what didn't happen?
Many of the customers don't have the hardware at home to deal with it.
It hardly matters. I signed up for the Comcast IPv6 trial years ago - downtown business-class connection - they're not even rolling it out in this area yet. There are a few tiny areas where you can get one on a residential service, but mostly no - most people only have access to IPV4. Until IPv6 is available from the prevalent carriers, I'm not going to worry too much about end-users not adopting.
If the device manufacturers would just skin OpenWRT instead of shipping their horrendous proprietary firmwares, then the 802.11ac upgrade cycle would take care of a lot of this automagically. But no...
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How much tech can you have in an industry with profit margins of 1 or 2%?
The net probably varies by store, but the old song about the grocer only making a penny or two on each item is long worn-out, even counting for inflation-driven price increases. There may be certain items in each store that are loss-leaders, but when I see whole-dollar differences in prices from store to store and have a general idea on what the wholesale prices are, it's hard to feel the pathos they desire.
If copyright law is anything like patent law
It's quite different. Copyright can be assigned to the author or to the payer in full ownership - depends on how the contract is written. In many places, if it's not otherwise described in the contract as a work-for-hire, then the copyright stays with the author. Employment contracts can have something to say about it as well.
The OP doesn't tell us how his contract is structured, so there's not too much we can say about it specifically. That means we can only really offer advice on how to ask nicely, which is always the preferable method anyway.
It also reminds me that we might want to get some testimonials now from clients who were happy with work we've done in the past. I've met some of these jagoff developers of the type the OP has encountered. In my ethics, every contributors' name stays on the project forever, even if his code has been rewritten because it was that old code that got you to the place you are now in the first place. Attribution begets reputation, which is essential for a well-functioning society.
Oh, one last thing OP - if the new people you're talking to are the type who won't believe you that you've done the project and are showing you .js source to "prove" that you're not being honest - run away. Fast. They're going to fuck you on the payment for the project as well. Take a job via a word-of-mouth reference.
The description also sounded like ssh would have to take a much more active role than just maintaining a tunnel and setting an environmment variable.
From what I understand, there's still lots of work to be done, it's pre-alpha. As I understand it, to do a remote window requires a local Wayland server to run to handle the drawing space, and then the client side has to consume VNC-like updates across the communications channel.
Ideally the wayland app's init routine will recognize $DISPLAY or some other variable and start that for you. But one can imagine a wrapper script or LD PRELOAD that ssh could involve that would do that too. On the client side, ssh could set everything up, but it might be a better separation of concerns to have a client-side script get fired off when ssh makes such a connection. Perhaps such a mechanism could even be genericized to the point of wayland being a specific case implementation of a tunnel/client-setup/server-setup arrangement.
I'm not sure that its xauth handling is relevant at that point. I think the ssh-agent stuff is handled below X.
Just to be clear, this is just based on what I've read - I don't know the Wayland line protocol. But I don't get the idea that people think this would mean the end of remote windows or that the openssh folks wouldn't support an additional display technology.
This was true years ago. I'm surprised you still think so now. I'm not saying SSDs make sense for every use case, but 300MB+ sustained read/write speed is within single-drive capabilities now, with drive costs down to $1 per GB for good MLC.
And hard drives are 4 cents per GB. My 5x1.5TB home storage array would cost $7500 to do in SSD. And there's still the matter of controller failures. I'll grant that the Intel parts are pretty good and the Sandforce controllers are better than average, but, man, I see Kingston, Mushkin, Transcend, and Crucial parts just stop working on an all too frequent basis to use for permanent storage. I do use them as wonderful cache devices and where high speed is worth having to do and rely on backups. But if they're in a write cache, they're going to be SLC mirrors for any application where a loss of revenue is possible (not home storage though).
I think that depends on your definition of normal and inexpensive.
Normal: not IT people. Like my neighbor who just buys one at Best Buy and plugs it in for his Windows Media Center PC to store movies on (true story).
Inexpensive: The 2x3TB Buffalo is currently under $400.
I'm somewhat surprised to see you declaring SSDs expensive, but SAN (even low-end SAN) as affordable.
So, if that $400 Buffalo system was SSD-based it would be about $6000. Are we talking past each other here?
10GigE is only useful if the Internet pipeline supports it
Huh? Why does that have any effect on LAN activity?
my NAS is a two-drive solution that couldn't handle anything about gigabit, even if I had a hankering to play with it.
Which is cool. Your current (or slightly behind the times) system doesn't need the next networking technology that will be out in a couple years and with us for the next decade. I don't get why this would make people say that gigabit is and always will be plenty.
If Manning felt the need for whistle blowing, he had various options that did not include sending all that data to a foreign organization.
You are aware that he contacted the NYT and WashPo. (to the point of WashPo having a copy of the Apache video) and they didn't report on it, right? He then went to Wikileaks (allegedly).
And WikiLeaks isn't 'foreign', it's a post-nation-state entity (without allegiance to any government).
Learn some history. Look what it took to get the Civil Rights Act passed.
No significant unjust law has ever been overturned by people obeying it and then voting for somebody who promised to represent them in hopes they would get it repealed.
They forget to teach that in Civics class, don't they?
we must do everything we can to keep it static
Funny how that's pretty much the definition of "Conservative", eh?
and they aren't the religious nuts, they're the eco-nuts.
Those are just the useful idiots. Greenpeace, for example, who incidentally have another reason to hate nuclear power over this thing in Chad (oh, wait, no, that's the opposite).
they've built their home on it and it must be preserved
Ah, yes, now we're getting there. Northern Europe represents vast property wealth in an area that's only viable with the Gulf Stream keeping it warm. There's a fear that when the Greenland ice shelves melt again (it's eventually inevitable) the thermohaline circulation will change and deflect the Gulf Stream away from Northern Europe. In which case its environment would be like most of the other land at that latitude.
It's a small chance, but when you own a large chunk of Europe and have significant control over most of the western governments, you have no problem spending other people's money to protect your own.
The same goes for coastal areas in the US. Just like we have the National Flood Insurance Program so poor people in the US can subsidize the vacation homes of the wealthy, so too must those same people have their wealth seized on a gamble that it'll stop beach erosion. Heck, when I was a kid, the beaches all had shacks and bungalows on them (because there was a good chance of them getting destroyed by a hurricane) and now those are all gone and replaced with multi-million dollar mansions, because they can now be insured by the Feds.
Funny, it seems like it's the same freedom you had under dictatorships
The most productive slaves are those who think they are free.
Manning committed treason and violated his oaths
Manning's most important oath is to defend the Constitution against enemies domestic - that oath takes precedent over any others. And it's exactly what he did.
Besides that, how can you possibly not have learned the lesson Nuremberg?
The only way to end without losing everything to hyperinflation and confiscation by the police state is to vote third party
And because of Duverger's Law the only way for that to happen is to get Approval Voting* implemented.
But the odds of that happening in time, against the hegemony, are asymptotic to zero. Since the last time it happened the two big parties have spent more than a century and a half ensconcing their rule in law.
* or more other more-difficult-to-understand-and-implement Condorcet method
what happens when you get bored w/ it?
Volunteer work, outdoor life, reading, going out with friends and family, etc.
Maybe this is why I'm inexplicably happy on Linux?
Agreed - zfs should be able to set these parameters directly. It's the dirtbag drive manufacturers who are artificially segmenting the market because they know that people like the sibling poster will shell out 5x+ more money for drives that aren't really needed.
That said, SAS locators are pretty nice in huge arrays. It's still a $400 blinky light though. Crikey, I should wire up a microcontroller to do this.
Thanks for the head's up - I sent Petar a message to see if he's going to renew the domain.
BTW, there's no need for a guaranteed minimum income, productivity improvements should take care of that if real money exists. The 1964 minimum wage, extended to today, nets about $25/hr, which is plenty for entry level work. Our debased currency makes it much sadder, of course.
I think I saw Walter Williams work out that we should have about 15,000 Congressmen by now. In my State there are about 400 legislators for 1.3 million people and that works out about right. They make $100/yr (plus mileage).
So it sounds like the issue gets pushed off to the ssh developers to implement (or not).
Like X forwarding got pushed off on the ssh developers? Or is somebody still doing X in the clear in 2013?
And they will do that. If you don't think so then you haven't worked in that type of environment.
I see you have. :)
So, this gets to the heart of the matter. The OP needs a meatspace policy, not [just] an ACL. That policy needs to specify consequences for routing around company security. The best time to get this through is before the critical system comes back online.
If the management is unwilling to give him that policy, then he needs to let them know what will happen, and preferably get a paper trail ACK on that. If management still wants to make such outages his problem, then he needs to find a non-abusive employer.
10GBe won't be as fast as a nice cheap SSD
It doesn't matter, remote storage is faster than gigabit. I don't need to hit 10 to get a benefit.
but not even an SSD can keep up with an avalanche of data requests from multiple systems unless that remote server is pretty damn beefy by home standards.
What? That's the whole point of fileservers. They need to meet the usage, of course, but that's an always increasing spec.
Simpler to keep your OS local, and trivial as far as cost.
Consolidating is always cheaper (per unit of storage) and it's easier to back up and manage, keep on UPS power, etc.
You'll need a heck of a RAID array for that, but it's buildable. Or, you could just stick with GigE, since that still tops out at 125MB/s and that pushes local (non-SSD) storage.
eh, my current central storage is 5 hard drives in a ZFS raidz2 with one SSD split up for L2ARC (cache) and ZIL (write cache). The entirely of the setup difficulty is:
cd /etc/yum.repos.d
wget url-to-repo
yum install zfs
(reboot or modprobe)
zpool create home raidz2 sda sdb sdc sdd sde cache sdf6 log sdf7
Oh, I had to plug in 6 SATA cables. Typical throughput is about 340MB/s. The only reason they're not all SSD's is because SSD's are expensive and unreliable. If it wasn't a home machine, the ZIL would be on a mirror of SSD's.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that this requires a lot more than just a high-speed connection. High-end connection + craptastic router = terrible latency when dealing with high load.
Switch, not router. There are problems with current buffer management techniques that effectively means that higher ceiling room means latency improvements. Google 'bufferbloat'. Things like CoDel will make this better when the pipes are more full, but they're not widely deployed yet.
"I have my home wired up like a datacenter. Everyone else should want a huge amount of network capacity and capability so that it makes my already extravagant costs slightly cheaper."
JHFCOAS - this is Slashdot. What we're doing now is what will be sold in a box for $200 at WalMart in five years. I'm amazed to find tech geeks who don't even know that normal people have been buying inexpensive Buffalo and WD SAN solutions at the office supply store since 2008. And with all this shit going on about the NSA, you can bet people are going to be pulling some of their stuff back out of the cloud.
I think first you must prove the universe was created. That's going to be a nigh impossible task.
Actually, it's not and there's some data from gravity wave experiments to indicate that our universe cheats below the atomic scale but way before the Plank length, which may indicate that it's a simulation. The shape of that noise closely matches a simulated universe model where 3d space is a projection from a quantized spherical shell.
The first question I always ask theists is if their God must be omnipotent in every universe. Our universe could be run by a pimply-faced youth in a high school science class, and he may be omnipotent in our universe but a 98-pound weakling in his. Adolescence may adequately explain his questionable behavior as recorded in the Old Testament.
Anybody know if Wayland is doing something sane about input isolation? It's really bothersome that X allows every other X app to steal my keystrokes. Want my root-privileged sudo password? Just get me to run some malicious X app. Is there a malicious keystroke logger in Google Earth? Who knows.
Of course it will, it's very useful.
Unless there's something preventing the implementation of a dummy Wayland server (memory backed) then (if I understand how this thing works...) starting a "remote" Wayland app would need a wrapper that would instantiate a dummy Wayland render space and some signal ssh would have to carry back to launch a Wayland client on your console side, and ssh would have to plumb the I/O. ssh would probably need a flag to start this (too bad -W is taken) and obviously somebody has to write it, but it's not like nobody wrote the code to do -X and -Y, because it is really useful.
My God, the luddites have taken over Slashdot tonight.
When I have 10Gb at home, I'll:
* Boot every PC from a remote server. No need even for local swap.
* Have a much better time doing backups. When I get a new computer, the first thing I do is boot a liveOS and run:
gzip /dev/sda | nc home.server 12345
and on the other end store the image. That way it can in theory go back for factory service if needed. The bottleneck is completely the network here, and it's slow even at gigabit speeds.
* Never worry about multiple devices maxxing out the switch trunks.
* Never worry about traffic spikes increasing latency on sensitive protocols.
* Etc.
You guys and your 640K lawns...
it's a burden they've placed on themselves.
Because a monopoly 'justice' system that's forced on them and violates their right of conscience and religious teachings is not an externally imposed burden at all.
If they refuse the process of getting justice
They refuse a process, one that's claimed to get justice, when it often does not.
It's so funny to see people call the US a 'Christian Nation' when its conflict resolution system is based on vengeance and disallows third party defense, contrary to all just moral codes do (this would help the Amish here). Jesus taught forgiveness, tolerance, and mutual aid - it's really hard to mesh the two.
At the same time, if the Amish were to actually defend their property rights, the government that runs this so-called 'justice' system would do things to the Amish that would be considered illegal if anybody else did it and immoral by most watchers.
There are conflict resolution systems that are compatible with property rights and the kinds of non-zero sum games that Jesus taught. We're not allowed to choose those here - the default system is always in play and it's based on retribution and violence. The Amish's resolve is admirable in this case. Blaming the victim is never admirable.
Somewhat. There are Amish who will 'not use electricity', but will use a diesel generator at the barn to run the dairy equipment.
Is that a loophole or a nuanced interpretation?
I'm really not sure how the tablet your kid is staring at while you were focused on driving helped. You were focused on driving right? Or are you telling us that you are exactly the problem that needs correcting?
Why don't you actually read his entire comment before lecturing him about what didn't happen?
Many of the customers don't have the hardware at home to deal with it.
It hardly matters. I signed up for the Comcast IPv6 trial years ago - downtown business-class connection - they're not even rolling it out in this area yet. There are a few tiny areas where you can get one on a residential service, but mostly no - most people only have access to IPV4. Until IPv6 is available from the prevalent carriers, I'm not going to worry too much about end-users not adopting.
If the device manufacturers would just skin OpenWRT instead of shipping their horrendous proprietary firmwares, then the 802.11ac upgrade cycle would take care of a lot of this automagically. But no...