If you've ever worked in an area with any buried utilities, you know that its not as simple as "point and click".
Laying conduit in sewers is not the same as laying 600v - 12,000v power cable. Failure of the insulation will result in production of hydrogen, and an explosion that will literally blast manhole covers into the sky. It also adds another complication when you have to dig up a sewer to do repairs - now you have to shut everyone's power off, cut the cable at two points, install the new piping, thread the cable through it, and now you have a cable with 2 "field joints" - 2 more points of failure.
Check your local shopping center - chances are that their main feed is 12kv. It's buried, but in its own conduit.
They're only allowed to collect information required to supplying you the service, and it must all be destroyed (except for nomimative data, which is limited to your name, address, business name, and - maybe- dob). They can keep billing records, but not content, as they were not the one offering the content in the first place, and they didn't need to have any knowledge of what that content was to ship it to you.
Example - you cease to be a customer, pay your final bill, they better purge their system of all references to any and all credit info, such as bank references, personal references, results of credit checks, etc.
It can still happen (w/o Leonard Nimoy's voice-over). More particulates in the air == more condensation nuclei == more cloud cover == less insolation (we've seen this, actually, a rise in temp but less energy at the earth's surface. More energy reflected into space by cloud cover, but the clouds also better retains what does arrive at the surface).
So, is there a tipping point at which there are enough particulates to form something like Jupiter's red spot - a permanent weather formation? Imagine continuous cloud cover over just one part of the planet... tempratures would drop there, eventually to the point where all you'd have was snowfall, even while the rest of the planet overheated.
And the reason they're doing it is rather obvious - the parent company (Bell Globealmedia) want to try to "enhance" their other properties:
They're the #1 porn distributor in North America via their pay-per-view services - they're hoping that if people get scared about surfing the net for pr0n (OMG THEY'RE WATCHING ME !!!), people will turn to their ppv service;
They are losing market share in the ppv movie downloads, not just to bittorrent, but to the cable companies, who now let you "rent" a movie for a day through the net; if they can put a chill on torrent distribution, that's possibly more ppv (though more likely not - the selection through ppv is still crap - 500 channels and nothing on);
No wonder Bell has replaces the cable co as the utility everyone loves to hate.
Well, it can't be Canadian, because of Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA) (in force for all businesses since January 1st of this year):
http://www.privcom.gc.ca/legislation/02_06_01_01_e .asp
"record" includes any correspondence, memorandum, book, plan, map, drawing, diagram, pictorial or graphic work, photograph, film, microform, sound recording, videotape, machine-readable record and any other documentary material, regardless of physical form or characteristics, and any copy of any of those things.
They're simply NOT allowed to do this without a warrant if you refuse to consent to it. Simply send them an email stating that you do not consent to their unlawful search, and cc the privacy commissioner.
If they say "these are our TOS, don't like it, leave" - that's not good enough. Their contract is a contract of adhesion, and as such, unconscionable and onerous clauses can be struck from it. Certainly claiming a right to violate PIPEDA is one such clause.
Every time I hear some moron say that "you live in a disaster area you should move" I wonder where they live?
Canada:-) We're predicted to be a net benefitor of global warming over the long run, but only compared to what's going to be going on south of the border... its not going to be pleasant uphere either.
Keep in mind that less temperature differential means less air circulating, meaning less rainfall, meaning higher temps in the interior of the continent, meaning crop failures, meaning... In the case of Canada, as seen here
Canada is a major agricultural producer with a relatively small population. As a result, we export almost half of our farm products, either directly as primary products or indirectly as value-added processed products.
... we won't have as much to export. In the case of the US, which is already a net food importer this year... and with 9x the population, in a smaller country... the numbers aren't so good.
The dog will also not provide deep conversations, create magnificent works of art, cure diseases or simply just help a complete stranger.
Most people don't provide deep conversations - the advantage of a dog is the thinking you do while you're walking them, or petting them, or sitting with them...
Most people won't create magnificent works of art... and most people can enjoy a dogs' company a lot longer than they can a "magnificent piece of art"
Dogs DO help with diseases. They can smell certain forms of cancer; they can detect molds that are harmful to humans; they find people after earthquakes; they help with the treatment of certain mental problems.
Do dogs help strangers? Well, its pretty hard to be a stranger to my dogs - they like most people on sight. Better than a lot of humans, I'd say
Count how many times you've been bitten by dogs, then add up all the times you've been attacked by other people (think back to your schoolyard days) - dogs are WAY safer.
Think of how many times people have lied to you. When's the last time a dog lied to you?
When's the last time a group of dogs did a home invasion, or a carjacking, or swindled you on a deal?
The lines would still melt (you don't need a fire to melt the line - just enough current)... and how are you going to replace them? Especially since the heat, slag, etc., has damaged your container?
Part of the problem is where you are currently living. Its not going to get any better, and burying the lines won't change that. 25 years from now, Florida is going to be pretty much uninhabitable for much of the year, since there's no sign current trends won't continue.
Long-term plans shouldn't be "let's bury the power lines", but "lets move to somewhere that won't be too darned hot/partly submerged/devastated on a regular basis."
he plan to bury lines was started before the town started growing
You've answered your own question - its cheaper to bury them when you're first laying out the infrastructure.
The problem with above-ground power lines in Florida won't exist in 25 years (since what will be left of Florida will be prtty much uninhabitable) so why bother?
Ithink it shouldn't be to hard to design those tunnels in a way where you can use robots like in the sewage systems.
Really? The reality is that sewage work is still done by humans, not "robots". There's no way that a "robot" can dig up a street to replace a broken water main or sewer pipe, and the fibreglass inserts/patches are NOT a long-term fix when a pipe breaks.
Besides, you've overlooked the installation costs. It can easily be 100x more expensive to run a wire underground than overhead. Overhead - 2 cherry pickers, 5 guys, a few spools of wire, a day, and a couple of blocks are rewired (they just upgraded all the wiring on the street 2 blocks over last week - took 2 days because of the trees. On the other hand, 3 years ago they did a major upgrade along about 40 blocks - in one day - with a larger crew of cherry-pickers and support vehicles). Underground - backhoes, loaders, dump trucks, flatbed, concrete saw, gravel, conduit, manholes, manhole covers, asphalt repaving, cement mixer, sidewalk repair, 2 weeks, easily 30-40 people involved (gas, sewer, waterworks also have to be coordinated).
Then there are the transformer rooms (since you can't just hang them from a pole) - concrete pads, etc. Money money money.
... and how, pray tell, are you going to get a human in there to service anything without them having to wear a cumbersome Scott-pack?
Also, this doesn't prevent water infiltrations, vermin, etc (you DO have trees and rats to contend with; rats will chew through anything, and tree roots can break foundations as well as conduits). If you've ever been down in the sewers (I have, 30' below ground, doing the "duck-walk" with a flashlight in one hand and an aluminium baseball bat in the other for the rats to do inspections), you'd know that underground work is hard, and expensive, and that most people are too chicken-shit to even go underground an a small, closed-in tunnel.
Its a lot harder to maintain buried conduit. Plus, there's the problems of accumulated gases in any piping you lay down, plus drainage, plus trash/dirt/crap accumulation at the manholes.
Look what happens when buried conduit deteriorates - the resulting fire is nasty because its more concentrated than in the open air.
The entire Internet is a single, uninterrupted deterministic state machine.
No, its not. Its neither single, nor uninterrupted, nor deterministic.
Its not a single state machine, because its not a single machine. By definition, the Internet is a collection of machines.
If you tried to push that analogy in any other field, the BS quotient would set alarms off immediately. For example, if you tried to say that people are a single person because all their interactions are connected, people would go, "yeah, whatever..."
Its not an uninterrupted state machine, nor a deterministic state machine
As an aggregate of hosts, it literally ceases to exist in its current form as individual hosts drop off or connect. The fashion in which this happens is far from deterministic, since its under the control of all sorts of people - from the bubble-gum-chewing pop-tart-wannabe on myspace to the parv stalking same. Since the individual components actions are non-deterministic, the Internet is non-deterministic. Noboday can determine, even with a snapshot of the WHOLE Internet at point T in time, what will be happening at T+5 seconds.
Your argument, on the other hand, is a good example of GIGO - start with a flawed premise, produce a flawed result.
You even make my point when you state this:
If you download and execute my code, you have done so willingly.
... that the actions of the Internet cannot be predetermined because the the presence of you - a human being, who does not work in a deterministic fashion.
... and since YOU have added people to the equation in your argument, then I am allowed to add the argument that your statement about "willingly" requires informed consent. Informed consent requires full knowledge aforehand, not what you get when someone tries to do an anal probe on a server.
Your last argument also makes the point that people are the true owners of the net - when you say "OUR" machine - and people have the right to say how they want their property to be used, even in public spaces. If you don't believe that, please give everyone your address - I'm sure someone will be happy to rob you when you're in public, then present your own arguments as justification that you gave implicit permission by your very presence in public.
Poster wrote:
You are making a moral argument. The article isn't about morals, it's about facts.
No wonder its in a Law Review - morals are optional for lawyers.
Seriously, the simple fact is that don't have a legal right to try to do a buffer overrun on someone else's system. Or try to install a root kit. This isn't morals - this is fact. Its a crime.
General disassemblers don't have to be fast... store up energy (say, sunlight) for a few minutes, disassemble one molucule, repeat. It works in nature - plants do it all the time. So lets say that a disassembler weighs the same as one cell that makes up the solid tissue in a human body...
So say that each disassembler replicated once a week...
10 weeks - 1,024 disassemblers 20 weeks - 1,048,576 disassemblers 30 weeks - 1,073,741,824 disassemblers 34 weeks = the same number of dissassemblers as the cells making up the solid tissues of your body (4 trillion) 40 weeks - 1,099,511,627,776 disassemblers, or 64 bodies 50 weeks - 1,125,899,906,842,624 disassemblers or 65,536 bodies 52 weeks - 262,144 bodies 1 year, 10 weeks - 268,435,456 bodies 1 year, 15 weeks - 8,589,934,592 - more than the world population 1 year, 20 weeks - 274,877,906,944 - 2748779069 pounds (at 100 pounds/person), or 1,374,389 tons 1 year, 30 weeks - 1,407,374,336 tons 1 year, 40 weeks - 1,441 trillion tons 1 year, 50 weeks - 1,478,656 trillion tons 2 years - 5,914,624 trillion tons, or just over a TON of disassemblers per square foot of the earths' surface.
If a close friend were dying of a painful, debilitating disease, with no quality of life, and no hope for the future, just more pain and degradation, why not?
Like a pdf isn't a royal PITA under linux + firefox? No wonder yu posted AC (/me currently running SuSE + Firefox, and avoiding pdf files whenever possible because they're still bloated).
Now back on topic, this is just SO fucked up logically:
hackers, worms, and viruses are good for network security and that the law and public policy should encourage 'beneficial' hacking. From the article: 'Exploitation of security holes prompts users and vendors to close those holes, vendors to emphasize security in system development, and users to adopt improved security practices. This constant strengthening of security reduces the likelihood of a catastrophic attack -- one that would threaten national or even global security [...] Current federal law, however, does not properly value such strategic goals.'"
... try it under this scenario...
bank robbers, home invaders, and carjackers are good for your personal security and that the law and public policy should encourage 'beneficial' thieving. From the article: 'Exploitation of security holes prompts users and vendors to arm themselves to the max, vendors to emphasize rapid deployment of total coverage fields of fire in system development, and users to adopt a "shoot first, ask later" mentality. This constant arms race reduces the likelihood of a catastrophic attack -- one that would threaten national or even global security [...] Current federal law, however, does not properly value such strategic goals.'"
If it isn't your system, don't be f*cking around with it, same as if its not your car, your home, or your other sh*t. Just because it's computers doesn't make it special all of a sudden, with a suspension of all the rules.
Yes, I know, servers are just responding to queries... but there's a difference between entering through the front door where the welcome mat is, and the door is wide open, and the host is expecting you, and trying to break in through a rear window on the second floor.
The whole idea is that you can take advantage of the instabiity to make really fast changes in attitude/aspect.
If its natural tendancy is to roll one way, and the flight system normally compensates for it, you can do change direction quicker than a conventional craft, which wants to keep going in the same direction and pointing its nose in the same direction.
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If you've ever worked in an area with any buried utilities, you know that its not as simple as "point and click".
Laying conduit in sewers is not the same as laying 600v - 12,000v power cable. Failure of the insulation will result in production of hydrogen, and an explosion that will literally blast manhole covers into the sky. It also adds another complication when you have to dig up a sewer to do repairs - now you have to shut everyone's power off, cut the cable at two points, install the new piping, thread the cable through it, and now you have a cable with 2 "field joints" - 2 more points of failure.
Check your local shopping center - chances are that their main feed is 12kv. It's buried, but in its own conduit.
They're only allowed to collect information required to supplying you the service, and it must all be destroyed (except for nomimative data, which is limited to your name, address, business name, and - maybe- dob). They can keep billing records, but not content, as they were not the one offering the content in the first place, and they didn't need to have any knowledge of what that content was to ship it to you.
Example - you cease to be a customer, pay your final bill, they better purge their system of all references to any and all credit info, such as bank references, personal references, results of credit checks, etc.
It can still happen (w/o Leonard Nimoy's voice-over). More particulates in the air == more condensation nuclei == more cloud cover == less insolation (we've seen this, actually, a rise in temp but less energy at the earth's surface. More energy reflected into space by cloud cover, but the clouds also better retains what does arrive at the surface).
So, is there a tipping point at which there are enough particulates to form something like Jupiter's red spot - a permanent weather formation? Imagine continuous cloud cover over just one part of the planet ... tempratures would drop there, eventually to the point where all you'd have was snowfall, even while the rest of the planet overheated.
Would make a great SF story ... :-)
And the reason they're doing it is rather obvious - the parent company (Bell Globealmedia) want to try to "enhance" their other properties:
- They're the #1 porn distributor in North America via their pay-per-view services - they're hoping that if people get scared about surfing the net for pr0n (OMG THEY'RE WATCHING ME !!!), people will turn to their ppv service;
- They are losing market share in the ppv movie downloads, not just to bittorrent, but to the cable companies, who now let you "rent" a movie for a day through the net; if they can put a chill on torrent distribution, that's possibly more ppv (though more likely not - the selection through ppv is still crap - 500 channels and nothing on);
No wonder Bell has replaces the cable co as the utility everyone loves to hate.http://www.privcom.gc.ca/legislation/02_06_01_01_
They're simply NOT allowed to do this without a warrant if you refuse to consent to it. Simply send them an email stating that you do not consent to their unlawful search, and cc the privacy commissioner.
If they say "these are our TOS, don't like it, leave" - that's not good enough. Their contract is a contract of adhesion, and as such, unconscionable and onerous clauses can be struck from it. Certainly claiming a right to violate PIPEDA is one such clause.
Nope - been expecting this since the early '70s. Al Gore is a relative newbie.
Canada :-) We're predicted to be a net benefitor of global warming over the long run, but only compared to what's going to be going on south of the border ... its not going to be pleasant uphere either.
Keep in mind that less temperature differential means less air circulating, meaning less rainfall, meaning higher temps in the interior of the continent, meaning crop failures, meaning ... In the case of Canada, as seen here
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Most people don't provide deep conversations - the advantage of a dog is the thinking you do while you're walking them, or petting them, or sitting with them
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Most people won't create magnificent works of art
... and most people can enjoy a dogs' company a lot longer than they can a "magnificent piece of art"
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Dogs DO help with diseases. They can smell certain forms of cancer; they can detect molds that are harmful to humans; they find people after earthquakes; they help with the treatment of certain mental problems.
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Do dogs help strangers? Well, its pretty hard to be a stranger to my dogs - they like most people on sight. Better than a lot of humans, I'd say
Count how many times you've been bitten by dogs, then add up all the times you've been attacked by other people (think back to your schoolyard days) - dogs are WAY safer.Think of how many times people have lied to you. When's the last time a dog lied to you?
When's the last time a group of dogs did a home invasion, or a carjacking, or swindled you on a deal?
Or enslave us and use us as a food source.
Either way, problem solved.
The lines would still melt (you don't need a fire to melt the line - just enough current) ... and how are you going to replace them? Especially since the heat, slag, etc., has damaged your container?
Part of the problem is where you are currently living. Its not going to get any better, and burying the lines won't change that. 25 years from now, Florida is going to be pretty much uninhabitable for much of the year, since there's no sign current trends won't continue.
Long-term plans shouldn't be "let's bury the power lines", but "lets move to somewhere that won't be too darned hot/partly submerged/devastated on a regular basis."
he plan to bury lines was started before the town started growing
You've answered your own question - its cheaper to bury them when you're first laying out the infrastructure.
The problem with above-ground power lines in Florida won't exist in 25 years (since what will be left of Florida will be prtty much uninhabitable) so why bother?
Ithink it shouldn't be to hard to design those tunnels in a way where you can use robots like in the sewage systems.
Really? The reality is that sewage work is still done by humans, not "robots". There's no way that a "robot" can dig up a street to replace a broken water main or sewer pipe, and the fibreglass inserts/patches are NOT a long-term fix when a pipe breaks.
Besides, you've overlooked the installation costs. It can easily be 100x more expensive to run a wire underground than overhead. Overhead - 2 cherry pickers, 5 guys, a few spools of wire, a day, and a couple of blocks are rewired (they just upgraded all the wiring on the street 2 blocks over last week - took 2 days because of the trees. On the other hand, 3 years ago they did a major upgrade along about 40 blocks - in one day - with a larger crew of cherry-pickers and support vehicles). Underground - backhoes, loaders, dump trucks, flatbed, concrete saw, gravel, conduit, manholes, manhole covers, asphalt repaving, cement mixer, sidewalk repair, 2 weeks, easily 30-40 people involved (gas, sewer, waterworks also have to be coordinated).
Then there are the transformer rooms (since you can't just hang them from a pole) - concrete pads, etc. Money money money.
Also, this doesn't prevent water infiltrations, vermin, etc (you DO have trees and rats to contend with; rats will chew through anything, and tree roots can break foundations as well as conduits). If you've ever been down in the sewers (I have, 30' below ground, doing the "duck-walk" with a flashlight in one hand and an aluminium baseball bat in the other for the rats to do inspections), you'd know that underground work is hard, and expensive, and that most people are too chicken-shit to even go underground an a small, closed-in tunnel.
Long term it still costs more.
Its a lot harder to maintain buried conduit. Plus, there's the problems of accumulated gases in any piping you lay down, plus drainage, plus trash/dirt/crap accumulation at the manholes.
Look what happens when buried conduit deteriorates - the resulting fire is nasty because its more concentrated than in the open air.
Your original premise has a few flaws:
No, its not. Its neither single, nor uninterrupted, nor deterministic.
Its not a single state machine, because its not a single machine. By definition, the Internet is a collection of machines.
If you tried to push that analogy in any other field, the BS quotient would set alarms off immediately. For example, if you tried to say that people are a single person because all their interactions are connected, people would go, "yeah, whatever ..."
Its not an uninterrupted state machine, nor a deterministic state machine
As an aggregate of hosts, it literally ceases to exist in its current form as individual hosts drop off or connect. The fashion in which this happens is far from deterministic, since its under the control of all sorts of people - from the bubble-gum-chewing pop-tart-wannabe on myspace to the parv stalking same. Since the individual components actions are non-deterministic, the Internet is non-deterministic. Noboday can determine, even with a snapshot of the WHOLE Internet at point T in time, what will be happening at T+5 seconds.
Your argument, on the other hand, is a good example of GIGO - start with a flawed premise, produce a flawed result.
You even make my point when you state this:
Your last argument also makes the point that people are the true owners of the net - when you say "OUR" machine - and people have the right to say how they want their property to be used, even in public spaces. If you don't believe that, please give everyone your address - I'm sure someone will be happy to rob you when you're in public, then present your own arguments as justification that you gave implicit permission by your very presence in public.
The problem with that attitude is what's given us today's situation:
Its also annoying because it redraws the cursor every mouse move ... too much flickering for my taste.
Poster wrote: You are making a moral argument. The article isn't about morals, it's about facts. No wonder its in a Law Review - morals are optional for lawyers.
Seriously, the simple fact is that don't have a legal right to try to do a buffer overrun on someone else's system. Or try to install a root kit. This isn't morals - this is fact. Its a crime.
General disassemblers don't have to be fast ... store up energy (say, sunlight) for a few minutes, disassemble one molucule, repeat. It works in nature - plants do it all the time. So lets say that a disassembler weighs the same as one cell that makes up the solid tissue in a human body ...
...
So say that each disassembler replicated once a week
10 weeks - 1,024 disassemblers
20 weeks - 1,048,576 disassemblers
30 weeks - 1,073,741,824 disassemblers
34 weeks = the same number of dissassemblers as the cells making up the solid tissues of your body (4 trillion)
40 weeks - 1,099,511,627,776 disassemblers, or 64 bodies
50 weeks - 1,125,899,906,842,624 disassemblers or 65,536 bodies
52 weeks - 262,144 bodies
1 year, 10 weeks - 268,435,456 bodies
1 year, 15 weeks - 8,589,934,592 - more than the world population
1 year, 20 weeks - 274,877,906,944 - 2748779069 pounds (at 100 pounds/person), or 1,374,389 tons
1 year, 30 weeks - 1,407,374,336 tons
1 year, 40 weeks - 1,441 trillion tons
1 year, 50 weeks - 1,478,656 trillion tons
2 years - 5,914,624 trillion tons, or just over a TON of disassemblers per square foot of the earths' surface.
If a close friend were dying of a painful, debilitating disease, with no quality of life, and no hope for the future, just more pain and degradation, why not?
Like a pdf isn't a royal PITA under linux + firefox? No wonder yu posted AC (/me currently running SuSE + Firefox, and avoiding pdf files whenever possible because they're still bloated).
Now back on topic, this is just SO fucked up logically:
If it isn't your system, don't be f*cking around with it, same as if its not your car, your home, or your other sh*t. Just because it's computers doesn't make it special all of a sudden, with a suspension of all the rules.
Yes, I know, servers are just responding to queries ... but there's a difference between entering through the front door where the welcome mat is, and the door is wide open, and the host is expecting you, and trying to break in through a rear window on the second floor.
The whole idea is that you can take advantage of the instabiity to make really fast changes in attitude/aspect.
If its natural tendancy is to roll one way, and the flight system normally compensates for it, you can do change direction quicker than a conventional craft, which wants to keep going in the same direction and pointing its nose in the same direction.
Better yet, skip the R-rated version, and see the uncensored DVD http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007Y08IS/103-70 16884-6984646?v=glance&n=130 - the R-rated version is tame. I saw the uncensored one Friday, and it was actually watchable. The R-rated one lost my interest quickly.