The hospital waiting area is considered private property and anyone can be asked to leave.
Its a sad day when people are too scared to stand up for other people in public places (the hospital might be private property, but its "open to the public" and the rent-a-cop was being an asshat.
after trying to make a difference politically,
Tell me about it. I know exactly how you feel, and I've often wondered if I would have been better off going to the US myself, at least for a while. Certainly the money would have been better (which is one reason why I'm once again looking at the possibility of leaving Québec).
and I was a Quebec anglo for 36 years before leaving for the U.S.
Just out of curiosity, do you still go "eh"? I noticed that, on the occasions I went to work in the US, I picked up the local accent immediately and people would refuse to believe I was from Canuckistan (probably has something to do with the protective colouration anglo quebecers use):-/
You can pay for you plates online here. Or you can send a cheque. Or pay at the bank. Me, I just grab a book and go to the license bureau. Its a nice sunny day, and a chance to get out and get a bit of sun:-)
But, the fact that someone can refuse to provide one (in violation of the Canada Commerce Act), and can have me arrested for requsting one,
You're not "disturbing the peace" for requesting a receipt. If anything, the guy refusing and trying to have you arrested would be charged with public mischief. And the cops have better things to do - they guy was BS-ing you. Heck, I once bought a box of donuts (NOT from Horny Tims' aka Tim Horton's) and they were stale. I went back to the place and made the BIGGEST scene for over half an hour - had a blast, banging the stale donuts on the counter and going "listen to them - they're HARD as ROCKS". There wasn nothing they could do except either give me my money back or get the owner on the line to... give me my money back. In the meantime, people would come to the counter and buy a coffe, and go "guess I'll skip the donuts, though."
Another time, a friend put $300 down on a $3k computer system, and 2 weeks later, still no show. The store wouldn't give him his money back, so I talked him into printing up fliers, and we started handing them out to everyone going into the store. Cops were called... they called their supervisor... we all had a laugh about it (the supervisor had also had a bad experience there) - the cops said "go to city hall, see this guy - he'll sell you a permit for $25.00 and you can picket to your hearts' content." An hour later, we were told to come get the money.
As for the hospital, there's a big problem with non-canadians getting health care and skipping, so the rule now is "show me the money." We've had people come for a visit, and in a matter of weeks they're into the system for $80,000 - then they leave. Collect? Ho ho ho.
The $150 + $10/page was probably because you wanted it RIGHT NOW! Billing departments don't work that way. They're 9 to 5, and the stuff takes a few days to process. Getting a medical statement right away is going to require getting someone to go over the charts, etc., outside the normal workflow, verify stuff, etc., rather than wait for the regular paperwork to catch up (eg - lab tests) - you're going to pay for that time.
I agree, the wheelchair thing didn't make sense.
As for the security guard telling you to shut up, you were well within your rights to tell him to go fuck himself. He has NO powers, not even the same powers a meter maid has. He's just a warm body with a blue shirt. Again, unless you're actually disturbing the peace (for example, Balmerizing the chairs) or obstructing people in their work, you're well within your rights. Heck, I remember just before the last referendum, walked into a restaurant to meet a friend, and went on long and loud about how the "stupid separatists don't have the balls to actually separate - all the english should vote for separation - that'll teach 'em"... and watched all the people reading their Journal de Montréal look, then look back down to their paper.
That's an extreme case of the typical: if someone starts to hit you, and you strike back, you are equally guilty of assault and battery! Absurd.
Here in Québec a shopkeeper shot and killed a fleeing robber in the back. No charges. Why? Because they knew there's no way a jury would convict. Doesn't matter that the storekeeper was no longer in any danger.
why were there no TVs or vending machines
I don't know where in the boonies you were (or is this a Toronto thing:-), but the emergency room at the hospitals here have tv, video games for the kids, vending machines, and a cafeteria that people waiting in emergency can access during regular hours. And its been like that for more than a decade.
Anyway, the system's not perfect, but its not as bad as all that. Sorry your experience wasn't the same, but I've always been treated with respect and dignity at any hospital.
Even if they save only 1 cent per transaction, we're talking million and millions of dollars.
Plus, they can then move into financing big-ticket items. "Buy this car. Get financing at the same time! Click."
Banks, second-chance lenders., etc., pay car dealers a kickback of between $345.00 and $800.00 for sub-prime loans on cars. (They also kick back several hundred on prime-rate car loans). Get the customer to sign at x%, get $345.00 Get them to sign at x+5%, get back 640. etc...
Wal-Mart filed an application with state regulators in April to buy Franklin Bank of California, an industrial bank with $2.5 million in assets and three employees in Orange County. The new law prohibits non-financial firms from buying state-chartered banks.
They could even turn it into a political football by locating in either one of the Atlantic provinces (needed investment) or Nunavut (native investment). Setting up in one of the Atlantic provinces would have about 40 MPs and 8 senators behind it right away.
You, like some other posters, seem to think that PayPal's prices are fixed in stone forever.
Don't put words in my mouth - I never said that. Here's the reality...
finally, paypal has some real competition
a lot of people would pay more to switch from paypal
this will shrink ebay's customer base no matter what, so they're going to be hit with both lower demand and lower prices
for google, on the other hand, their market share can only grow - and they've got tie-ins to a lot more stuff than ebay
Then there's the whole regulatory issue - ebay has had to make deals with regulators in almost 20 states... google will just go out and BUY a bank. Then they'll issue their own credit cards, etc.
The difference between 1.9% + 30 cents (ebay) and 2.0% + 20 cents (google) might not strike you as significant, but google now works out to be cheaper for all sales under $100.00
Don't think that the "ebay power sellers" aren't keenly aware of the difference. They know how ebay nickel-and-dimes them to death, and if they can save a few dollars a week AND stick it to ebay, they will.
You're right... let me rephrase that... Bell has reclaimed the title of most hated public utility from the upstart cable cos (though the cell cos are taking another run at the title:-)
Don't read much into them defending themselves, if it was a few million dollars, it would be done. It was a few billion, they might be able to afford it but you're not going to get a billion dollars from them without a fight.
No - even if it was a "few million" it wouldn't have ever been done, because IBM knows that once someone does it to them, others will try the same tactic.
To put it into its proper perspective - they wouldn't have done the deal even for a few thousand.
Also, in the beginning SCO was making noises in the background of "about $25 million" and IBM basically tod them to FOAD.
Well, lets pick the easiest one, one that is objectively testable by anyone: # 4...
4. I get receipts in stores instead of having to ask for them and getting threats of being arrested for doing so -- the asking being a "public nuisance".
Lets see...
I went shopping for groceries today, and was given a receipt without having to ask - like always.
I went shopping for dog food this weekend, and was given a receipt without having to ask - like always.
I'm renewing my license plates tomorrow - last time I was there was a month ago, to renew my drivers license - and I got a receipt without asking. I expect it will be the same tomorrow.
I went shopping for some new clothes a few weeks ago - receipt without asking AND a $10 cash card as a bonus, again without asking...
I bought some new sandals as well - again, didn't have to ask for the receipt
Even the local dollar store automatically gives a receipt without you having to ask - they hand it to youwith your change.
At the restaurant, they print out the bill automatically - you've got your receipt before you even pay.
Last time I went to gas up the car I asked for and got a receipt - no problem.
The ATM machine also gave me a receipt today.
I have yet to see a pizza delivery joint that DOESN'T send the receipt along with the food - along with a menu, some discount coupons, etc.
I'M DROWNING IN RECEIPTS. I find it hard to believe that your experience (#4) is more than a one-time occurance. That you would make such a big deal about it gives one pause to wonder... its kind of hard to give credence to the rest of your rant, when my day-to-day experience directly contradicts what you're saying. And not just me - the people before and after me in line also got receipts, and I'm sure the ATM isn't programmed to only offer a printed receipt to me and a few "privileged" others.
Even a majority government can fall on a confidence vote, or a budget vote - plus we have the ability of politicians to change parties without electoral review.
There have been times when majority governments have come close to falling because party back-benchers didn't want to vote with the government, and figured the safe bet was to sit out an unpopular vote.
Doctors can't "opt out" of the system, practically speaking, since 95% of their potential patients are "in it"
Sure they can. If, according to your figures, 95% of the patients don't, that still leaves almost 2 million patients. Also, they can stay in the system and still do work that isn't covered by medicare, and bill for it, and plenty of them do. Additionally, a lot of them are taking patients from the US, who can't afford American rates.
What most Canadians appear to celebrate, I find downright evil and disgusting. It would not be an understatement to say that I hate Canada and typical Canadians for their attitudes. I hear that's a crime over there.
So you'd rather go to a system where the #1 cause of personal bankruptcies is medical bills? And where most of those who do file for bankruptcy (74%) HAD insurance?
New research in the journal Health Affairs indicates that medical problems contributed to half of all bankruptcies in the U.S., involving 700,000 households. About 700,000 children lived in families that declared bankruptcy in the aftermath of serious medical problems. Another 600,000 spouses, elderly parents and other dependents brought the total number of people directly affected by medical bankruptcies to more than 2,000,000 annually.
Surprisingly,over 75 percent of those bankrupted by medical problems were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness. Among those with private insurance, however, one-third had lost coverage - usually due to job loss - at least temporarily by the time they filed for bankruptcy. Out-of-pocket medical costs (for uncovered services) averaged $13,460 for those with private insurance at the onset of their illness, vs. $10,893 for the uninsured. The highest costs - averaging $18,005 - were incurred by those who initially had private coverage but lost it in the course of their illness. Many families were bankrupted by medical expenses well below the catastrophic thresholds of high deductible plans that are increasingly popular with employers.
The research, carried out jointly by researchers at Harvard Law School and Harvard Medical School, is the first in-depth study of medical causes of bankruptcy. With the cooperation of bankruptcy judges they administered questionnaires to nearly 2,000 bankruptcy filers and reviewed their court records. "Our study is frightening. Unless you're Bill Gates, you're just one serious illness away from bankruptcy. Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get sick. Health insurance offered little protection. Families with coverage faced unaffordable co-payments, deductibles and bills for uncovered items like physical therapy, psychiatric care and prescription drugs. And even the best job-based health insurance often vanished when prolonged illness caused job loss - precisely when families needed it most. Too often, private health insurance is an umbrella that melts in the rain," said David Himmelstein, lead author of the study. (The authors of the study note that even their own coverage from Harvard leaves them at risk for out-of-pocket costs above levels that often led to medical bankruptcy.)
"When medical debts and lost income from illnesses leave families facing a mountain of bills, bankruptcy is their last chance to stop the collection calls and try to put their lives back on track," noted Elizabeth Warren, a study co-author at Harvard. "Bankruptcy costs these families substantial assets and deep personal shame. A person may recover physically from a medical problem, but millions of Americans will never recover financially from their encounters with the health care system."
The "negative-option" laws were passed in the wake of abuse by the phone and cable cos, and their having to refund consumers money because it was, in fact, illegal.
We all got little colour slips of paper saying the bank/phone co was following the privacy policy set out on {insert url here} and if we didn't like it, contact {someone who has no power to change it}
Guess you're in the wrong province... PIPEDA doesn't supercede pre-existing similar legislation in Quebec:
PIPEDA does not apply to provincially-regulated organizations within the province of Quebec.
Whereas the Governor in Council is satisfied that An Act respecting the protection of personal information in the private sector, R.S.Q., c. P-39.1, of the Province of Quebec which is substantially similar to Part 1 of the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (see footnote a) , applies to the organizations referred to in the annexed Order;
Therefore, Her Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Industry, pursuant to paragraph 26(2)(b) of the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (see footnote b) , hereby makes the annexed Organizations in the Province of Quebec Exemption Order.
ORGANIZATIONS IN THE PROVINCE OF QUEBEC EXEMPTION ORDER
EXEMPTION
1. Any organization, other than a federal work, undertaking or business, that carries on an enterprise within the meaning of section 1525 of the Civil Code of Québec and to which An Act respecting the protection of personal information in the private sector, R.S.Q., c. P-39.1, applies is exempt from the application of Part 1 of the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act in respect of the collection, use and disclosure of personal information that occurs within the Province of Quebec.
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he Order will have no cost or have any impact on the operations of organizations in Quebec. It confirms that organizations in the province of Quebec (other than federal works, undertakings and businesses) will not be subject to the PIPEDA and will continue to comply with the existing privacy law as they have since 1994. The Order provides certainty for organizations and individuals as to which privacy law applies in Quebec.
In other words, since Quebec already had equivalent legislation on the books for MORE THAN A DECADE, Quebec's laws apply.
(hint - guess which province's laws the feds copied when they created PIPEDA:-)
If you are eligible for medicare coverage it is illegal to pay for a covered service.
Not true... if you can find a doctor who has opted out of the system, you're free to pay him or her as you wish. Ask Henry Morgentaler (and yes, he operates in Quebec as well as a few other provinces, has been doing so for decades). YOu can get an abortion paid for at the hospital, or pay for it yourself at his clinic.
There's a difference between a charter violation per se, and what the constitution refers to as "reasonable".
1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
One of the reasonable limits, in many Canadian's view, is the prohibition on trying to act both inside and outside the medicare act. As a doctor, either you're part of the public-paid system, or private. You can't have it both ways. As a patient, you have the right to see a doctor in private practice.
There are a lot of services that aren't deemed essential, and as such, aren't covered, so you're free to spend your money however you want. Breast implants, tummy tucks, dentistry, for example.
Once people get too fed up with the abuse of security certs, watch the legislation change. This isn't the US, where we HAVE to put up with a particular government for 4 years at a time.
Ask Joe Clark or Kim Campbell how quickly the government can be turfed out for misreading the will of the people.
If you continue to use their service after notice, you're giving them consent and PIPEDA is completely satisfied
Nope. Consent must be explicit, never implied. Bell and the cable cos got into trouble with this with their "negative-option" scam a couple of decades ago - "We are upgrading your service with the following features at $x.yy" a month. You may opt out of this by yadda yadda yadda." They were sued. They lost.
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(c) required to comply with a subpoena or warrant issued or an order made by a court, person or body with jurisdiction to compel the production of information, or to comply with rules of court relating to the production of records;
(c.1) made to a government institution or part of a government institution that has made a request for the information, identified its lawful authority to obtain the information and indicated that
Lawful authority means "show me the frigging warrant".
Of course, the "authorities" will try to say otherwise, but the courts will still hold them to "you don't have the authority w/o a warrant, as per (c)", and that will be that.
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The hospital waiting area is considered private property and anyone can be asked to leave.
Its a sad day when people are too scared to stand up for other people in public places (the hospital might be private property, but its "open to the public" and the rent-a-cop was being an asshat.
after trying to make a difference politically,
Tell me about it. I know exactly how you feel, and I've often wondered if I would have been better off going to the US myself, at least for a while. Certainly the money would have been better (which is one reason why I'm once again looking at the possibility of leaving Québec).
and I was a Quebec anglo for 36 years before leaving for the U.S.
Just out of curiosity, do you still go "eh"? I noticed that, on the occasions I went to work in the US, I picked up the local accent immediately and people would refuse to believe I was from Canuckistan (probably has something to do with the protective colouration anglo quebecers use) :-/
You can pay for you plates online here. Or you can send a cheque. Or pay at the bank. Me, I just grab a book and go to the license bureau. Its a nice sunny day, and a chance to get out and get a bit of sun :-)
You're not "disturbing the peace" for requesting a receipt. If anything, the guy refusing and trying to have you arrested would be charged with public mischief. And the cops have better things to do - they guy was BS-ing you. Heck, I once bought a box of donuts (NOT from Horny Tims' aka Tim Horton's) and they were stale. I went back to the place and made the BIGGEST scene for over half an hour - had a blast, banging the stale donuts on the counter and going "listen to them - they're HARD as ROCKS". There wasn nothing they could do except either give me my money back or get the owner on the line to ... give me my money back. In the meantime, people would come to the counter and buy a coffe, and go "guess I'll skip the donuts, though."
Another time, a friend put $300 down on a $3k computer system, and 2 weeks later, still no show. The store wouldn't give him his money back, so I talked him into printing up fliers, and we started handing them out to everyone going into the store. Cops were called ... they called their supervisor ... we all had a laugh about it (the supervisor had also had a bad experience there) - the cops said "go to city hall, see this guy - he'll sell you a permit for $25.00 and you can picket to your hearts' content." An hour later, we were told to come get the money.
As for the hospital, there's a big problem with non-canadians getting health care and skipping, so the rule now is "show me the money." We've had people come for a visit, and in a matter of weeks they're into the system for $80,000 - then they leave. Collect? Ho ho ho.
The $150 + $10/page was probably because you wanted it RIGHT NOW! Billing departments don't work that way. They're 9 to 5, and the stuff takes a few days to process. Getting a medical statement right away is going to require getting someone to go over the charts, etc., outside the normal workflow, verify stuff, etc., rather than wait for the regular paperwork to catch up (eg - lab tests) - you're going to pay for that time.
I agree, the wheelchair thing didn't make sense.
As for the security guard telling you to shut up, you were well within your rights to tell him to go fuck himself. He has NO powers, not even the same powers a meter maid has. He's just a warm body with a blue shirt. Again, unless you're actually disturbing the peace (for example, Balmerizing the chairs) or obstructing people in their work, you're well within your rights. Heck, I remember just before the last referendum, walked into a restaurant to meet a friend, and went on long and loud about how the "stupid separatists don't have the balls to actually separate - all the english should vote for separation - that'll teach 'em" ... and watched all the people reading their Journal de Montréal look, then look back down to their paper.
That's an extreme case of the typical: if someone starts to hit you, and you strike back, you are equally guilty of assault and battery! Absurd.
Here in Québec a shopkeeper shot and killed a fleeing robber in the back. No charges. Why? Because they knew there's no way a jury would convict. Doesn't matter that the storekeeper was no longer in any danger.
why were there no TVs or vending machines
I don't know where in the boonies you were (or is this a Toronto thing :-), but the emergency room at the hospitals here have tv, video games for the kids, vending machines, and a cafeteria that people waiting in emergency can access during regular hours. And its been like that for more than a decade.
Anyway, the system's not perfect, but its not as bad as all that. Sorry your experience wasn't the same, but I've always been treated with respect and dignity at any hospital.
Even if they save only 1 cent per transaction, we're talking million and millions of dollars.
Plus, they can then move into financing big-ticket items. "Buy this car. Get financing at the same time! Click."
Banks, second-chance lenders., etc., pay car dealers a kickback of between $345.00 and $800.00 for sub-prime loans on cars. (They also kick back several hundred on prime-rate car loans). Get the customer to sign at x%, get $345.00 Get them to sign at x+5%, get back 640. etc...
It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between a user who merely has different values, views, or ideas, and a user who is intentionally trolling
You know its possible to do both at the same time, right? Just look at all the George Bush fanbois.
If they come to Canada, they can start their own bank as long as they can show $5,000,000.00 in capital. http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/B-1.01/index.html
They could even turn it into a political football by locating in either one of the Atlantic provinces (needed investment) or Nunavut (native investment). Setting up in one of the Atlantic provinces would have about 40 MPs and 8 senators behind it right away.
Stupid mistake in subtraction, of all things. Maybe I should apply for a job at NASA.
Lets see:
1.9% of $100.00 is $1.90
2% of $100.00 is $2.00
Ebay (1.9% + $0.30) = ($1.90 + $0.30) = $2.20
Google (2% + $0.20) = ($2.00) + $0.20) = $2.20
I think my math is right - parity is at $100.00, not $10,000.00
Holy crap! What a rip-off.
Google attacking ebay is a Good Thing (TM).
Hopefully, they'll take on this next.
You, like some other posters, seem to think that PayPal's prices are fixed in stone forever.
Don't put words in my mouth - I never said that. Here's the reality ...
Then there's the whole regulatory issue - ebay has had to make deals with regulators in almost 20 states ... google will just go out and BUY a bank. Then they'll issue their own credit cards, etc.
The difference between 1.9% + 30 cents (ebay) and 2.0% + 20 cents (google) might not strike you as significant, but google now works out to be cheaper for all sales under $100.00
Don't think that the "ebay power sellers" aren't keenly aware of the difference. They know how ebay nickel-and-dimes them to death, and if they can save a few dollars a week AND stick it to ebay, they will.
Example - item at $10.00
eBay: 49 cents, google:40 cents. Difference: 9 cents.
Do 100/week, and over the course of a year you're looking at $468.00 in savings ...
You're right ... let me rephrase that ... Bell has reclaimed the title of most hated public utility from the upstart cable cos (though the cell cos are taking another run at the title :-)
Don't read much into them defending themselves, if it was a few million dollars, it would be done. It was a few billion, they might be able to afford it but you're not going to get a billion dollars from them without a fight. No - even if it was a "few million" it wouldn't have ever been done, because IBM knows that once someone does it to them, others will try the same tactic.
To put it into its proper perspective - they wouldn't have done the deal even for a few thousand.
Also, in the beginning SCO was making noises in the background of "about $25 million" and IBM basically tod them to FOAD.
Where do I start ...
Well, lets pick the easiest one, one that is objectively testable by anyone: # 4 ...
Lets see ...
- I went shopping for groceries today, and was given a receipt without having to ask - like always.
- I went shopping for dog food this weekend, and was given a receipt without having to ask - like always.
- I'm renewing my license plates tomorrow - last time I was there was a month ago, to renew my drivers license - and I got a receipt without asking. I expect it will be the same tomorrow.
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I went shopping for some new clothes a few weeks ago - receipt without asking AND a $10 cash card as a bonus, again without asking
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I bought some new sandals as well - again, didn't have to ask for the receipt
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Even the local dollar store automatically gives a receipt without you having to ask - they hand it to youwith your change.
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At the restaurant, they print out the bill automatically - you've got your receipt before you even pay.
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Last time I went to gas up the car I asked for and got a receipt - no problem.
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The ATM machine also gave me a receipt today.
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I have yet to see a pizza delivery joint that DOESN'T send the receipt along with the food - along with a menu, some discount coupons, etc.
I'M DROWNING IN RECEIPTS. I find it hard to believe that your experience (#4) is more than a one-time occurance. That you would make such a big deal about it gives one pause to wonderEven a majority government can fall on a confidence vote, or a budget vote - plus we have the ability of politicians to change parties without electoral review.
There have been times when majority governments have come close to falling because party back-benchers didn't want to vote with the government, and figured the safe bet was to sit out an unpopular vote.
Sure they can. If, according to your figures, 95% of the patients don't, that still leaves almost 2 million patients. Also, they can stay in the system and still do work that isn't covered by medicare, and bill for it, and plenty of them do. Additionally, a lot of them are taking patients from the US, who can't afford American rates.
So you'd rather go to a system where the #1 cause of personal bankruptcies is medical bills? And where most of those who do file for bankruptcy (74%) HAD insurance?
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20050102023437dat a_trunc_sys.shtml
The "negative-option" laws were passed in the wake of abuse by the phone and cable cos, and their having to refund consumers money because it was, in fact, illegal.
Guess you're in the wrong province ... PIPEDA doesn't supercede pre-existing similar legislation in Quebec:
http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2003/20031203/ht ml/sor374-e.html
In other words, since Quebec already had equivalent legislation on the books for MORE THAN A DECADE, Quebec's laws apply.
(hint - guess which province's laws the feds copied when they created PIPEDA :-)
Not true ... if you can find a doctor who has opted out of the system, you're free to pay him or her as you wish. Ask Henry Morgentaler (and yes, he operates in Quebec as well as a few other provinces, has been doing so for decades). YOu can get an abortion paid for at the hospital, or pay for it yourself at his clinic.
So, you were misinformed.
There are a lot of services that aren't deemed essential, and as such, aren't covered, so you're free to spend your money however you want. Breast implants, tummy tucks, dentistry, for example.
Once people get too fed up with the abuse of security certs, watch the legislation change. This isn't the US, where we HAVE to put up with a particular government for 4 years at a time.
Ask Joe Clark or Kim Campbell how quickly the government can be turfed out for misreading the will of the people.
Nope. Consent must be explicit, never implied. Bell and the cable cos got into trouble with this with their "negative-option" scam a couple of decades ago - "We are upgrading your service with the following features at $x.yy" a month. You may opt out of this by yadda yadda yadda." They were sued. They lost.
They don't know for sure what the great red spot is. I've heard theories that range from a storm to self-organizing polymer chains to life.
Geez, it just came about ... give the ambulance-chasers some time to realize CLASS ACTION LOTTERY!
Calm dwn - a warrant is still required:d -258042
http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/P-8.6/258031.html#ri
blockquote> (c) required to comply with a subpoena or warrant issued or an order made by a court, person or body with jurisdiction to compel the production of information, or to comply with rules of court relating to the production of records;
(c.1) made to a government institution or part of a government institution that has made a request for the information, identified its lawful authority to obtain the information and indicated that
Lawful authority means "show me the frigging warrant".
Of course, the "authorities" will try to say otherwise, but the courts will still hold them to "you don't have the authority w/o a warrant, as per (c)", and that will be that.