It doesn't have to be - MIT is doing nice stuff with their opencourseware. Of course, that's not as interesting to the masses as re-shooting the Harper Valley PTA TV series would be.
Considering that it was already being used for something better than "OGM I can get open.org - what can I do with it?"
The domain name was recently acquired by Linux Fund from the City of Salem, Oregon for an undisclosed amount. Salem's public library was using the domain for a kids-to-Internet program entitled the Oregon Public Education Network. The Linux Fund purchased the domain at public auction.
... maybe they can return it to its original use - but it wasn't just for kids, as you can see if you look at the archives.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about when you write this:
Er. Americans?! Well, first, I assume you mean Loyalists, who were not Americans.. they were English. After all, they left the Southern Colonies after they rebelled....
The Asbestos strike was in 1949. Not a couple of centuries ago. Just like racism is still alive and well in parts of the US today.
It was the typical behaviour of American multi-nationals treating french-quebecers at the time.
So when you write:
anyone that says "200 years ago, my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents had $x happen to them, so I'm mad" is a moron. An absolute idiot.
... you're the one being an "absolute idiot." A lot of these people are still alive.
As for your rest, anyone who is not brain-damaged can learn to speak a second language if they want to. The question is motivation. It has nothing to do with the ability to read or write their primary language - reading and writing are not something that happens instinctively. Or did you have to go to school to learn to speak your primary language?
As for your whole "old woman in Gatineau", I'm sure that there are thousands of examples of the same treatment of french-canadians in english-speaking provinces. Get over it, already. It's ancient history, and it was *one* hospital worker who was being an a**hole (kind of like you right now in accusing me of trolling when you can't even get the context right).
Like I wrote before, access to english-language hospital services is guaranteed in quebec. Everywhere, not just "where numbers warrant." Can't say the same for access to french-language hospital services in the rest of Canada, can we?
English-language services are guaranteed in all Quebec hospitals by law. Sure, there have been times in the past when a hospital has been short-staffed, and people have hade to muddle through, but let's be honest... if you're english and live in quebec, why not learn french? Knowing a second language helps delay alzhehimers by half a decade or more.
It's not that hard. Even two-year-olds manage to pick it up.
Racism knows no bounds... and Quebec is quickly becoming the least tolerant society in North America.
It's the legacy of the Americans coming up here and treating them like they were dirt, same way they were treating the blacks in the US. But if you want to see least tolerant, go to Arizona.
What's stupid is someone who lives here and doesn't make an effort to speak the language. That's as ignorant as someone living in Alberta and not even making an effort to speak english. It cuts both ways.
Yes, and using indentation to implicitly indicate code blocks... and requiring the use of null statements to implicitly imply that this is an empty function.
It's explained (explicit) in the documentation that indentation is significant.
Indentation explicitly indicates code blocks. There's nothing "implicit" about it. It's part of the language definition, same as keywords, etc. but if it bothers you that much, turn on "show tabs" in your editor of choice, to make it more evident / explicit.
A lot of people don't like the idea of whitespace being significant, because that's not what they're used to. It takes a bit of getting used to, but when you indent code, you are explicitly saying it is at a specific nesting level (as opposed to needing to bracify a series of expressions, or using the implicit nesting of single-line statements in, say, c or c++)
... because most hospital staff are bilingual, as are most patients...
Can't say that for large swaths of the RoC (Rest of Canada).
And now that the Quebec government has mandated that french-speaking students devote half their time in grade 6 to a one-year intensive english training class, it will only get better. This is over and above the teaching of english as a second language starting in grade 1 that has been in place for years.
They may have killed the TVs, but keep those rabbit ears - they work great for receiving digital TV as well. Save yourself the cost of cable or satellite. Not all "old tech" is obsolete.
When Mandrake / Mandriva / Manwhatever started getting a bit "strange", one of my friends switched to Xandros, and he liked it a LOT. He should - it was Corel Linux with updates.
The trial version of Xandros Desktop Professional is valid for 30 days from the time of installation. At the end of your 30-day trial period, Xandros Desktop Professional automatically shuts down 30 minutes after booting.
... and how it hasn't kept pace with the latest and greatest, he wanted to switch when he bought a new computer, so he's now using opensuse + KDE, and he's very happy with it.
The K desktop got a lot of flack for how they handled the switch from 3x to 4x, but the end result is definitely worth it.
After you do the install, you'll want to add the "restricted formats" repository, for things like mp3, video, etc. There's a one-click installer that will add the repository, download the codecs, install them, etc., which I should imagine will be updated shortly after 11.4 hits the net. I'll probably do a clean install for a change, since I've been doing in-place upgrades for so long, and it's a good excuse to clean up the cruft, and I'll let you know how it goes.
I don't have a solution to the "how do we pay programmers to do the crappy F/LOSS jobs" problem... maybe we need more schools to put emphasis on F/LOSS, and put those problems on the curriculum for grades?
Slashdot must be "tweaking" the UI again - the point scores for posts are no longer visible:-p
Oh well...
I have been saying that if there's one distro that is NOT ready for the desktop, it's Ubuntu. Not only is it notorious for breaking on updates (something you pointed out, and a valid criticism - what good is an OS if it turns your computer into a brick on a regular basis), but it's in general a crappy distro. It's always had a higher than average number of problems, and this is due in part to trying to be different for the sake of "branding". It's one of the reasons why changes in Ubuntu aren't accepted upstream - with the consequence that there's more "break points" in Ubuntu that have to be patched for every release than in other distros. Trying to blame it on "end users are n00bs so that's why they have more problems" kind of misses the point if your distro is supposed to be so user-friendly.
But why not try to install a copy of opensuse on a new machine? It should go pretty much seamlessly, and so should updates to the next release. I've been doing the "update release via the internet" thing for the last several releases, and even though one of them was interrupted (my fault - didn't plug in the adapter on my laptop), it still went fine. Sure, on oddball machines from a decade ago, there will be problems, but a recent generic box from a big-box store should be okay.
You'll be asked for a root name and password, click a few other things to accept the defaults, select any additional packages you want, and one reboot later, everything should be up and running.
Will there ever be a year of the linux desktop? I don't think so. I think that Microsoft will just start to bleed market share once the MS-Office stranglehold is broken. We're seeing that now with web-based office suites. Microsoft may be saying "To the cloud - we're all in!" but the reality is that is scares the heck out of them. Just as both smartphone and laptop sales both now outnumber desktop pc sales, I expect tablet sales to do the same thing, and most of those tablets are going to be running linux, same as is going to happen by next year with smartphones.
At that point, it's only natural for laptops to "join the fun" - the alternative being dropping out of the race... leaving the desktop as the "dead man walking" by the end of the decade. Microsoft won't close it's doors, unlike Ubuntu, but they'll no longer be the dominant player either. The operating system will become irrelevant (and that's the way it should be, if you're an end user:-)
The reason that Android isn't GPL3 is because cell phone manufacturers want to be able to modify it without having to give back the mods - and they may not even be able to legally "give back" even if they wanted to. We've seen from the mobile patent wars how bad it is wrt patents... which really (for software patents) must die, same as Carthage, but that's another issue.
It's one of the reasons it took so long for Sun to gpl Java when it finally decided it was the right thing to do - there were parts that couldn't be, because of patents or non-disclosure technology sharing agreements, and those parts had to be either negotiated, written around, or replaced. So a cell phone manufacturer may simply not be in position, due to technology-sharing agreements, to GPL some of their stuff.
But here's a question for you... what is is about OSX or Win7 that you think makes them "better" than the current linux desktops? I've never liked the way either the old Mac or the OSX desktops worked, and the only people I know who use Win7 don't like it either, so there's obviously room for different opinions:-) As monitors get bigger and wider, the "menu bar at the top of the screen" gets to be more of a problem. More mouse movement for nothing.
I stopped using Gnome years ago because I found it got in the way as a desktop in comparison to KDE, and KDE has come a long way since. Ubuntu using Gnome was one of the turn-offs for me, but the real turn-off was the stupid "we're going to be different for the sake of being different, to reinforce our 'brand' " approach of Ubuntu.
Gnome, KDE, and pretty much any other window manager is good enough to launch applications and manage the application windows. They all support the important stuff - cut-n-paste, one process launching another, switching between tasks, multiple desktops, etc. So the unfriendliness is mostly set-up and updates, and on that, Ubuntu fails by breaking stuff on every update. This is what happens when you customize for the sake of customization, but don't do it right (or the underlying D.E. doesn't let you make the changes in a modular fashion). A good distro will have the customizations written such that it can support multiple desktop environments and let the user choose - not have to fork each D.E into a separate "spin", like Canonical did with Ubuntu and Kubuntu.
People have this weird idea that a distro is either a "server distro" or a "desktop distro." Most distros can be customized for either, or do double duty. Usually, for a server, you just leave out the desktop bits like window managers and userland programs, to make it simpler to manage and back up/restore out of the box, and you change a few defaults, and by not installing a bunch of userland programs, you don't leave potential holes for exploits. Heck, BSD makes a fine desktop OS with the right window manager and user apps.
I have opensuse 11.3 on my laptop, which originally came with Vista (so I threw in a second hard drive, installed 10.2 or 10.3, and it works fine).
The update process for opensuse is nice - change the repositories to point to the new version, then update all your apps over the net, then one reboot to activate the new kernel.
There's a one-click installer for the restricted formats (audio, video).
Remember to click to install the server and development package groups and you can pick and choose pretty much every type of server under the sun.
Wine - I don't use it, but it's there if you want/need it. You might be better off just virtualizing Windows (yes, there's clickies for that too).
Question:How EXACTLY do you expect Canonical to pay for the serious R&D required to bring Ubuntu up the the levels of OSX, iOS, and Windows 7 in ease of use?
First, going by past performance, I don't expect Canonical to pay for any "serious R&D". They haven't been able to get any serious traction with OEMs, despite this being where most of their resources go, so there goes their dream of OEM support contracts, and the revenue from them to fund development.
Second, an example of what they consider "serious R&D" - the Unity interface - was a total waste of time. Compare it with Android/Gingerbread, and ask yourself which of the two an OEM or an end user is going to want. Unity is DOA. Then again, Unity's original target - the netbook - is also shrinking.
Third, both Redhat and Novell spend money on improving the desktop. Redhat sells Redhat Enterprise Linux Desktop. Novell sells Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop.
Fourth, Ubuntu doesn't spend real money fixing bugs. That's why their upstream code contributions are almost non-existent. And why every release breaks stuff - they make things incompatible with upstream, then wonder why nobody wants their code, and why updates break. This is not sustainable in the long term.
Fifth, Ubuntu can't seem to make a profit from their cloud offering. Heck, even their music store is just a skinned rebranded 3rd-party music store, hosted by Amazon.
Sixth, Ubuntu has the wrong people. I was floored when Matt Asay posted that once he was hired by Canonical, he started using linux, and liked it. WT****?!? Sure enough, he didn't even last out the year. Another "triumph" of marketing over substance.
Ubuntu is mostly hype and noise. The world will probably be a better (or at least quieter) place when it dies.
That's because Canonical's original game plans have been blown out of the water.
Making money from support isn't happening.
Getting OEMs to install Ubuntu (which was one of the reasons for coming out with the Unity interface for netbooks), has been an almost complete fail - and Unity is totally - TOTALLY - obsoleted by Android / Gingerbread.
So all that's left is scrounging for loose change in the couch cushions.
"profits from the existing Ubuntu One music store" are non-existent. It's not even run by Ubuntu.
"giving GNOME the same 75/25 split" - it's really "giving GNOME the same 25/75 split" - Ubuntu gets 75%
Ubuntu said "you can either take this 25%, or disable it entirely, and let end-users re-enable it." They said "we'd rather let end users enable it". Then Ubuntu said "sorry, we lied when we gave you the choice."
RedHat makes more profit than Ubuntu generates in revenue. All while contributing more than an order of magnitude more code to the development of linux than Ubuntu does.
The Banshee developers were not taking a penny. All revenue was being donated to GNOME. So this is not a "win" for the devs in any shape or form, but it IS a loss for GNOME.
Novell sponsored a lot of the development. Looks like they practice the concept of "Ubuntu" (humanity towards others) better than Canonical does.
The OEM Services group is the largest part of Canonical, according to (Canonical CEO Jane) Silber , and it works with OEMs and other hardware suppliers to get the Ubuntu variant of Debian Linux installed on machines of all shapes and sizes (netbooks, desktops, servers).
How many half-decent-sized OEMs are offering Ubuntu in a major way? None.
BTW, it was also Silber who is responsible for this latest decision:
The final group - and the newest unit and one that Silber established - is the Online Services group, which distributes some free as well as fee-based consumer-facing services. These include the Ubuntu One storage utility, which debuted [3] last fall with Ubuntu 9.10 and which will be soon expanded with Ubuntu 10.04 to include the Ubuntu One Music Store, the Canonical equivalent to iTunes done in partnership with London-based online music distributor 7digital.
Ubuntu's OEM game plan got blindsided by Android / Honeycomb, which makes their Unity offering look medieval. The shrinking netbook market also didn't help. Taking 75% of the revenue, when Novell contributed most of the work, and didn't take a penny...
This mess has bad optics - it makes it look like Canonical is now scrounging for loose change in the couch.
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It doesn't have to be - MIT is doing nice stuff with their opencourseware. Of course, that's not as interesting to the masses as re-shooting the Harper Valley PTA TV series would be.
snapshot index from wayback machine, from a few years ago, the shutting down notification page.
So, why not the Open Public Education Network? It's self-referential, same as Linux Is Not Unix, or Gnu's Not Unux.
The Asbestos strike was in 1949. Not a couple of centuries ago. Just like racism is still alive and well in parts of the US today.
It was the typical behaviour of American multi-nationals treating french-quebecers at the time. So when you write:
As for your rest, anyone who is not brain-damaged can learn to speak a second language if they want to. The question is motivation. It has nothing to do with the ability to read or write their primary language - reading and writing are not something that happens instinctively. Or did you have to go to school to learn to speak your primary language?
As for your whole "old woman in Gatineau", I'm sure that there are thousands of examples of the same treatment of french-canadians in english-speaking provinces. Get over it, already. It's ancient history, and it was *one* hospital worker who was being an a**hole (kind of like you right now in accusing me of trolling when you can't even get the context right).
Like I wrote before, access to english-language hospital services is guaranteed in quebec. Everywhere, not just "where numbers warrant." Can't say the same for access to french-language hospital services in the rest of Canada, can we?
It's not that hard. Even two-year-olds manage to pick it up.
It's the legacy of the Americans coming up here and treating them like they were dirt, same way they were treating the blacks in the US. But if you want to see least tolerant, go to Arizona.
What's stupid is someone who lives here and doesn't make an effort to speak the language. That's as ignorant as someone living in Alberta and not even making an effort to speak english. It cuts both ways.
Yes, and using indentation to implicitly indicate code blocks... and requiring the use of null statements to implicitly imply that this is an empty function.
Explicit: clearly developed or formulated.
Implicit: implied, rather than expressly stated.
It's explained (explicit) in the documentation that indentation is significant.
Indentation explicitly indicates code blocks. There's nothing "implicit" about it. It's part of the language definition, same as keywords, etc. but if it bothers you that much, turn on "show tabs" in your editor of choice, to make it more evident / explicit.
A lot of people don't like the idea of whitespace being significant, because that's not what they're used to. It takes a bit of getting used to, but when you indent code, you are explicitly saying it is at a specific nesting level (as opposed to needing to bracify a series of expressions, or using the implicit nesting of single-line statements in, say, c or c++)
Unless you are in Quebec.
... because most hospital staff are bilingual, as are most patients ...
Can't say that for large swaths of the RoC (Rest of Canada).
And now that the Quebec government has mandated that french-speaking students devote half their time in grade 6 to a one-year intensive english training class, it will only get better. This is over and above the teaching of english as a second language starting in grade 1 that has been in place for years.
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/education/201102/24/01-4373781-anglais-intensif-en-sixieme-annee-profs-ontariens-en-renfort.php
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/education/201102/25/01-4374210-commission-scolaire-du-lac-saint-jean-langlais-intensif-for-all.php
Because it also includes a way to subdue uppity patients. "Phrazer on stun!"
digital broadcasts kill the rabbit ear TVs
They may have killed the TVs, but keep those rabbit ears - they work great for receiving digital TV as well. Save yourself the cost of cable or satellite. Not all "old tech" is obsolete.
Of course, now that Xandros only lets you use it for 30 days before disabling it
The K desktop got a lot of flack for how they handled the switch from 3x to 4x, but the end result is definitely worth it.
After you do the install, you'll want to add the "restricted formats" repository, for things like mp3, video, etc. There's a one-click installer that will add the repository, download the codecs, install them, etc., which I should imagine will be updated shortly after 11.4 hits the net. I'll probably do a clean install for a change, since I've been doing in-place upgrades for so long, and it's a good excuse to clean up the cruft, and I'll let you know how it goes.
I don't have a solution to the "how do we pay programmers to do the crappy F/LOSS jobs" problem ... maybe we need more schools to put emphasis on F/LOSS, and put those problems on the curriculum for grades?
so does my HP Thinkpad,
When did HP buy Lenovo?
Oh well ...
I have been saying that if there's one distro that is NOT ready for the desktop, it's Ubuntu. Not only is it notorious for breaking on updates (something you pointed out, and a valid criticism - what good is an OS if it turns your computer into a brick on a regular basis), but it's in general a crappy distro. It's always had a higher than average number of problems, and this is due in part to trying to be different for the sake of "branding". It's one of the reasons why changes in Ubuntu aren't accepted upstream - with the consequence that there's more "break points" in Ubuntu that have to be patched for every release than in other distros. Trying to blame it on "end users are n00bs so that's why they have more problems" kind of misses the point if your distro is supposed to be so user-friendly.
But why not try to install a copy of opensuse on a new machine? It should go pretty much seamlessly, and so should updates to the next release. I've been doing the "update release via the internet" thing for the last several releases, and even though one of them was interrupted (my fault - didn't plug in the adapter on my laptop), it still went fine. Sure, on oddball machines from a decade ago, there will be problems, but a recent generic box from a big-box store should be okay.
You'll be asked for a root name and password, click a few other things to accept the defaults, select any additional packages you want, and one reboot later, everything should be up and running.
Will there ever be a year of the linux desktop? I don't think so. I think that Microsoft will just start to bleed market share once the MS-Office stranglehold is broken. We're seeing that now with web-based office suites. Microsoft may be saying "To the cloud - we're all in!" but the reality is that is scares the heck out of them. Just as both smartphone and laptop sales both now outnumber desktop pc sales, I expect tablet sales to do the same thing, and most of those tablets are going to be running linux, same as is going to happen by next year with smartphones.
At that point, it's only natural for laptops to "join the fun" - the alternative being dropping out of the race ... leaving the desktop as the "dead man walking" by the end of the decade. Microsoft won't close it's doors, unlike Ubuntu, but they'll no longer be the dominant player either. The operating system will become irrelevant (and that's the way it should be, if you're an end user :-)
I don't understand how anyone can go from being sure about something to doubting it later.
The high divorce rate disagrees with you.
So does the existence of the phrases "walk of shame" and "it seemed like a good idea at the time" and "what could possibly go wrong?"
And elections, where, a couple of years later, the majority pretend they never voted for the guy.
And people who took Madoff's advice.
We're human.
the video that inspired it
Redhat is ranked #1 in terms of code contribution to gnome http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2010/gnome-desktop-project.html. Canonical - almost nothing. Those code contributions were made by paid devs. That's a lot more money than the amazon referral code will generate.
it's like something you'd expect from Microsoft
I think even Microsoft would be embarrassed to say "our fair share of the revenue split is 75%". Even Apple isn't half as bad ...
It's one of the reasons it took so long for Sun to gpl Java when it finally decided it was the right thing to do - there were parts that couldn't be, because of patents or non-disclosure technology sharing agreements, and those parts had to be either negotiated, written around, or replaced. So a cell phone manufacturer may simply not be in position, due to technology-sharing agreements, to GPL some of their stuff.
But here's a question for you ... what is is about OSX or Win7 that you think makes them "better" than the current linux desktops? I've never liked the way either the old Mac or the OSX desktops worked, and the only people I know who use Win7 don't like it either, so there's obviously room for different opinions :-) As monitors get bigger and wider, the "menu bar at the top of the screen" gets to be more of a problem. More mouse movement for nothing.
I stopped using Gnome years ago because I found it got in the way as a desktop in comparison to KDE, and KDE has come a long way since. Ubuntu using Gnome was one of the turn-offs for me, but the real turn-off was the stupid "we're going to be different for the sake of being different, to reinforce our 'brand' " approach of Ubuntu.
Gnome, KDE, and pretty much any other window manager is good enough to launch applications and manage the application windows. They all support the important stuff - cut-n-paste, one process launching another, switching between tasks, multiple desktops, etc. So the unfriendliness is mostly set-up and updates, and on that, Ubuntu fails by breaking stuff on every update. This is what happens when you customize for the sake of customization, but don't do it right (or the underlying D.E. doesn't let you make the changes in a modular fashion). A good distro will have the customizations written such that it can support multiple desktop environments and let the user choose - not have to fork each D.E into a separate "spin", like Canonical did with Ubuntu and Kubuntu.
People have this weird idea that a distro is either a "server distro" or a "desktop distro." Most distros can be customized for either, or do double duty. Usually, for a server, you just leave out the desktop bits like window managers and userland programs, to make it simpler to manage and back up/restore out of the box, and you change a few defaults, and by not installing a bunch of userland programs, you don't leave potential holes for exploits. Heck, BSD makes a fine desktop OS with the right window manager and user apps.
Being Java, I would expect even dying to take longer ... seriously, Java in the browser in the mid '90s was painful. Even today, you don't see it much.
I have opensuse 11.3 on my laptop, which originally came with Vista (so I threw in a second hard drive, installed 10.2 or 10.3, and it works fine).
The update process for opensuse is nice - change the repositories to point to the new version, then update all your apps over the net, then one reboot to activate the new kernel.
There's a one-click installer for the restricted formats (audio, video).
Remember to click to install the server and development package groups and you can pick and choose pretty much every type of server under the sun.
Wine - I don't use it, but it's there if you want/need it. You might be better off just virtualizing Windows (yes, there's clickies for that too).
Question:How EXACTLY do you expect Canonical to pay for the serious R&D required to bring Ubuntu up the the levels of OSX, iOS, and Windows 7 in ease of use?
First, going by past performance, I don't expect Canonical to pay for any "serious R&D". They haven't been able to get any serious traction with OEMs, despite this being where most of their resources go, so there goes their dream of OEM support contracts, and the revenue from them to fund development.
Second, an example of what they consider "serious R&D" - the Unity interface - was a total waste of time. Compare it with Android/Gingerbread, and ask yourself which of the two an OEM or an end user is going to want. Unity is DOA. Then again, Unity's original target - the netbook - is also shrinking.
Third, both Redhat and Novell spend money on improving the desktop. Redhat sells Redhat Enterprise Linux Desktop. Novell sells Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop.
Fourth, Ubuntu doesn't spend real money fixing bugs. That's why their upstream code contributions are almost non-existent. And why every release breaks stuff - they make things incompatible with upstream, then wonder why nobody wants their code, and why updates break. This is not sustainable in the long term.
Fifth, Ubuntu can't seem to make a profit from their cloud offering. Heck, even their music store is just a skinned rebranded 3rd-party music store, hosted by Amazon.
Sixth, Ubuntu has the wrong people. I was floored when Matt Asay posted that once he was hired by Canonical, he started using linux, and liked it. WT****?!? Sure enough, he didn't even last out the year. Another "triumph" of marketing over substance.
Ubuntu is mostly hype and noise. The world will probably be a better (or at least quieter) place when it dies.
So all that's left is scrounging for loose change in the couch cushions.
You can always grab fedora.
Or you can grab debian (which ubuntu is based on), with almost 30,000 packages, and without the fugly Ubuntu wallpapers.
Sleezy. Just sleezy.
There are no profitable desktop Linux desktop publishers.
So RedHat Enterprise Linux Desktop doesn't exist?
RedHat makes more profit than Ubuntu generates in revenue. All while contributing more than an order of magnitude more code to the development of linux than Ubuntu does.
and how do you expect them to support themselves?
It was supposed to be by selling technical support and services tied to Ubuntu.
Obviously, that hasn't worked out too well. Neither has Canonical's efforts to get Ubuntu installed by OEM's
How many half-decent-sized OEMs are offering Ubuntu in a major way? None.
BTW, it was also Silber who is responsible for this latest decision:
Ubuntu's OEM game plan got blindsided by Android / Honeycomb, which makes their Unity offering look medieval. The shrinking netbook market also didn't help. Taking 75% of the revenue, when Novell contributed most of the work, and didn't take a penny ...
This mess has bad optics - it makes it look like Canonical is now scrounging for loose change in the couch.