Perhaps, but the problem with OS's on the whole(OS X is a huge step up in this regard from something like windows) is the lack of consistency, and simplicity.
OSX may be better than Windows, but it's nowhere near where it needs to be. Notice that this discussion has been about a bug that affects Cocoa applications. Which ones are those? I usually know, and yes, the screen saver certainly is (although I wouldn't expect most users to think of it as being an application). I noticed that Emacs keys (^K and ^Y) work in those fields, but Mac keys (Cmd-X and Cmd-V) don't. This is no worse than Windows where ^V works in some places and Shift-Insert works in other places and both work most of the time but not always, but a far cry from the simplicity of Mac OS 9. We're getting there, though!
You don't need drugs for euthanasia. Solutions of certain common household chemicals will work as well -- frex, just about any metallic salt. (What's next, banning table salt??)
The issue was the particular drugs doctors are allowed to prescribe under Oregon's doctor-assisted suicide law. Of course you can kill yourself in a variety of interesting ways without the assistance of a doctor at all.
So you just hit CTRL+ALT+R to kill xdm...dunno about kdm or gdm...but then again, you still need to login at the console....and if you could do that, you could have just entered the password at the screen saver prompt.
Notice how many of Apple's security holes are actually holes in things like Sendmail, BIND, Samba, Apache and CUPS, all of which are off by default, and affect Linux and FreeBSD as well.
But in X at least on slackware when the screensaver is on I can Ctrl-Alt-F1 and Ctrl-X to kill X windows and get myself to prompt.
Unless you're using xdm/kdm/gdm, which will automatically start X without you logging into the console first. If you kill X, it'll just restart X for you, and give you a graphical login prompt.
There have been more than you think. Apple, however, does release patches fairly quickly, and many of the holes are in 3rd-party code (e.g. OpenSSL) which affects Linux users too.
(Still bad, just not as bad is crashing the login box, getting root access and resetting all passwords to *blank*)
Compare to rebooting while holding Cmd-S to get to a single-user root prompt. This can be disabled in OpenFirmware, but how many users actually do that? Generally if you've got console access, the machine is yours. The major issue here is, if you're just bypassing the screensaver, you can reactivate the screen saver when you're done, and the user will never suspect you were there, because everything is just as they left it.
I just pasted about 2.7MB of text into Safari's address bar, and it didn't crash at all. I pressed return, and it attempted to load the page; Squid aborted the connection but Safari's still trying to load it. I'm typing this in another Safari window. No problems. Process Viewer shows Safari is using 25% of my RAM.
This will probably make a pretty ugly entry in ~/Library/Safari/History.plist.
I also tried crashing the screen saver login window. It hung with the SPOD trying to manage that much data being pasted all at once, but it did not crash. After several minutes, I killed the processes remotely, but even killing the process did not return me to the desktop - I just got another login prompt, and was able to log in.
I think I'll be running Apache 1.3 for a long time to come, but Apache 2 is definitely a much higher priority for me than IPv6. There are reasons for running Apache 2.
Any other mainstream OSes have IPv6 support? (MacOS?)
Mac OS X currently has IPv6 support un the underlying OS (Darwin), but there's no GUI front-end for it. That should be coming in 10.3 this September. I don't expect to see support for classic Mac OS. Actually I'd say that'd be about as likely as support for IPv6 in Windows 95/98/ME: might be possible with third-party hacks, but Microsoft won't do it.
Oregon has an assisted suicide law that was approved by voters twice. Ashcroft decided it should be illegal, and declared that the lethal drugs Oregon doctors can prescribe (under very limited circumstances, of course) serve no legitimate medical purpose and therefore were controlled substances, and instructed the DEA to arrest doctors who prescribed the drugs. It went to the Supreme Court and Ashcroft lost.
One of Oregon's senators - Gordon Smith I think - said he opposes this state law, but he fought for Oregon's right to have it.
Was that the 3.06GHz Xeon that Apple demonstrated, or a slower dual-Xeon system?
Does that include most of the hardware features of the G5? Gigabit Ethernet, FireWire, optical 5.1 audio, CD-RW/DVD-R drive?
A friend of mine ran the numbers on Pricewatch last week and didn't have the same results you did. I don't recall what he found, but for similar specs it wasn't cheaper than the G5.
These prices apply if you're doing your own development; the issue most people are raising has to do with the operating system and off-the-shelf applications which are compiled with whatever the developer happened to be using. For Mac OS X, that's often gcc. For Windows, that may be Intel's compiler. How much money it costs the developer really isn't at issue here.
By the way, AppleWorks is not included with the G5 as far as I know (it's only bundled with consumer Macs, not pro Macs); it retails for $79. In my opinion, AppleWorks is really not that good, compared to MSOffice, so if you're comparing MS Office to MS Office, you should notice that MSOffice for Mac is $499.95, or Word and Excel are $369.95 each.
Their scheme for OS X is the equivalent of Microsoft charging $100+ for a service pack, I just don't understand it.
Nope, service packs are still free - I'm running Mac OS X 10.2.6, which I've upgraded from 10.2, 10.2.1, 10.2.2, 10.2.3, 10.2.4, and 10.2.5; there were also some security-related hotfixes in there (patching holes in Sendmail, Samba, OpenSSL, etc.). These minor updates aren't advertised, so unless you use a Mac and run Software Update or check Apple's software updates page, you probably wouldn't be aware of them, just like I'm not aware of Microsoft's service packs for Windows XP (I'm sure they've had some, but I have no idea how many). Upgrading from ME to XP isn't free, nor will XP to Longhorn be free.
How much for the dual Xeon system they were comparing that too? Yeah, you can build a P4 for $900, but not a dual Xeon.
However, yes, the $1999 low-end G5 is definitely more expensive than a P4 of similar performance, if the only consideration is raw speed. Macs are cheaper than PCs at the high end, not the low end.
Um, yeah, sure is lucky Apple found the G5. I'm sure they had nothing to do with its development. It's not like Apple has been involved with development of the whole PowerPC architecture since the early 90s.
I hope they didn't use gcc (the yet-another free and hopeless compiler).
It should be noted that Apple uses gcc to compile Mac OS X and most of their applications, so it would be appropriate to use gcc on the G5. Intel's compiler might be a more appropriate choice for the Xeon.
...even a half blind judge would break them up. Except that they will prbably buy him off too.
The judge is only allowed to make his ruling based on the facts and evidence presented by each side - he/she is REQUIRED to be somewhat blind. Jackson wasn't blind enough, and his remedy went further than was called for by the evidence presented - which doesn't mean his remedy went too far, it just means the prosecution didn't go far enough, and that was before the regime change. Judges are not easily bought; prosecutors are another matter.
Only the Supreme Court can look beyond the arguments presented and make a ruling based on whatever they want and get away with it, and so far they have declined to hear this case.
I though pos was "point of sale" or "piece of shit," depending on context.
Since I don't talk to kids who would need to say "parent over shoulder" (and when I was that age IM didn't exist), I guess if this were common usage I wouldn't know it, but I bet it's not universal. Kids have been making up code for that since the telephone became commonplace, and only their friends, and friends of their friends, would know what code they use.
I certainly wouldn't expect kids to be saying "point of sale", though.
mmmm I see you already used the "new" technology... It is quite obvious for a spanish speaker that you translated the text first from english to spanish using a translator... and then made it look like it was the other way around!
hehe, I'm not even fluent and it was pretty damn obvious. The untranslated "a/s/l" and the translated "Toys R Us" are the most obvious problems. Qué usted está usando? in this context is hillarious; that's very formal.
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Perhaps, but the problem with OS's on the whole(OS X is a huge step up in this regard from something like windows) is the lack of consistency, and simplicity.
OSX may be better than Windows, but it's nowhere near where it needs to be. Notice that this discussion has been about a bug that affects Cocoa applications. Which ones are those? I usually know, and yes, the screen saver certainly is (although I wouldn't expect most users to think of it as being an application). I noticed that Emacs keys (^K and ^Y) work in those fields, but Mac keys (Cmd-X and Cmd-V) don't. This is no worse than Windows where ^V works in some places and Shift-Insert works in other places and both work most of the time but not always, but a far cry from the simplicity of Mac OS 9. We're getting there, though!
This will probably make a pretty ugly entry in ~/Library/Safari/History.plist.
It didn't. Probably because the page never loaded.
You don't need drugs for euthanasia. Solutions of certain common household chemicals will work as well -- frex, just about any metallic salt. (What's next, banning table salt??)
The issue was the particular drugs doctors are allowed to prescribe under Oregon's doctor-assisted suicide law. Of course you can kill yourself in a variety of interesting ways without the assistance of a doctor at all.
So you just hit CTRL+ALT+R to kill xdm...dunno about kdm or gdm...but then again, you still need to login at the console. ...and if you could do that, you could have just entered the password at the screen saver prompt.
because I could just as easily reboot the machine and root it.
Not without the user knowing when they got back.
Doesn't that mean that it can also be re-enabled in OpenFirmware But if they've got physical access to the machine, it's over pal.
Not necessarily.
Until you change their background, trash their home directory and fill their dock with millions of useless files.
Well sure, if that's what you had in mind.
Okay now...Apple is swiftly closing the gap with Microsoft in the amount of holes it has.
Compare:
Microsoft
Apple
Notice how many of Apple's security holes are actually holes in things like Sendmail, BIND, Samba, Apache and CUPS, all of which are off by default, and affect Linux and FreeBSD as well.
But in X at least on slackware when the screensaver is on I can Ctrl-Alt-F1 and Ctrl-X to kill X windows and get myself to prompt.
Unless you're using xdm/kdm/gdm, which will automatically start X without you logging into the console first. If you kill X, it'll just restart X for you, and give you a graphical login prompt.
I believe this to be the first "public" exploit of OS X, or any OS 9, in quite some time....
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There have been more than you think. Apple, however, does release patches fairly quickly, and many of the holes are in 3rd-party code (e.g. OpenSSL) which affects Linux users too.
(Still bad, just not as bad is crashing the login box, getting root access and resetting all passwords to *blank*)
Compare to rebooting while holding Cmd-S to get to a single-user root prompt. This can be disabled in OpenFirmware, but how many users actually do that? Generally if you've got console access, the machine is yours. The major issue here is, if you're just bypassing the screensaver, you can reactivate the screen saver when you're done, and the user will never suspect you were there, because everything is just as they left it.
I just pasted about 2.7MB of text into Safari's address bar, and it didn't crash at all. I pressed return, and it attempted to load the page; Squid aborted the connection but Safari's still trying to load it. I'm typing this in another Safari window. No problems. Process Viewer shows Safari is using 25% of my RAM.
This will probably make a pretty ugly entry in ~/Library/Safari/History.plist.
I also tried crashing the screen saver login window. It hung with the SPOD trying to manage that much data being pasted all at once, but it did not crash. After several minutes, I killed the processes remotely, but even killing the process did not return me to the desktop - I just got another login prompt, and was able to log in.
I'm running 10.2.6, the latest available version.
I think I'll be running Apache 1.3 for a long time to come, but Apache 2 is definitely a much higher priority for me than IPv6. There are reasons for running Apache 2.
Any other mainstream OSes have IPv6 support? (MacOS?)
Mac OS X currently has IPv6 support un the underlying OS (Darwin), but there's no GUI front-end for it. That should be coming in 10.3 this September. I don't expect to see support for classic Mac OS. Actually I'd say that'd be about as likely as support for IPv6 in Windows 95/98/ME: might be possible with third-party hacks, but Microsoft won't do it.
How do you think the USA PATRIOT act got passed in the first place? Would YOU vote against something with a name like that? What would people think?
Oregon has an assisted suicide law that was approved by voters twice. Ashcroft decided it should be illegal, and declared that the lethal drugs Oregon doctors can prescribe (under very limited circumstances, of course) serve no legitimate medical purpose and therefore were controlled substances, and instructed the DEA to arrest doctors who prescribed the drugs. It went to the Supreme Court and Ashcroft lost.
One of Oregon's senators - Gordon Smith I think - said he opposes this state law, but he fought for Oregon's right to have it.
Was that the 3.06GHz Xeon that Apple demonstrated, or a slower dual-Xeon system?
Does that include most of the hardware features of the G5? Gigabit Ethernet, FireWire, optical 5.1 audio, CD-RW/DVD-R drive?
A friend of mine ran the numbers on Pricewatch last week and didn't have the same results you did. I don't recall what he found, but for similar specs it wasn't cheaper than the G5.
These prices apply if you're doing your own development; the issue most people are raising has to do with the operating system and off-the-shelf applications which are compiled with whatever the developer happened to be using. For Mac OS X, that's often gcc. For Windows, that may be Intel's compiler. How much money it costs the developer really isn't at issue here.
By the way, AppleWorks is not included with the G5 as far as I know (it's only bundled with consumer Macs, not pro Macs); it retails for $79. In my opinion, AppleWorks is really not that good, compared to MSOffice, so if you're comparing MS Office to MS Office, you should notice that MSOffice for Mac is $499.95, or Word and Excel are $369.95 each.
Their scheme for OS X is the equivalent of Microsoft charging $100+ for a service pack, I just don't understand it.
Nope, service packs are still free - I'm running Mac OS X 10.2.6, which I've upgraded from 10.2, 10.2.1, 10.2.2, 10.2.3, 10.2.4, and 10.2.5; there were also some security-related hotfixes in there (patching holes in Sendmail, Samba, OpenSSL, etc.). These minor updates aren't advertised, so unless you use a Mac and run Software Update or check Apple's software updates page, you probably wouldn't be aware of them, just like I'm not aware of Microsoft's service packs for Windows XP (I'm sure they've had some, but I have no idea how many). Upgrading from ME to XP isn't free, nor will XP to Longhorn be free.
$2999 for the mac 2x2ghz
How much for the dual Xeon system they were comparing that too? Yeah, you can build a P4 for $900, but not a dual Xeon.
However, yes, the $1999 low-end G5 is definitely more expensive than a P4 of similar performance, if the only consideration is raw speed. Macs are cheaper than PCs at the high end, not the low end.
Steve Jobs lucked out -- again.
Um, yeah, sure is lucky Apple found the G5. I'm sure they had nothing to do with its development. It's not like Apple has been involved with development of the whole PowerPC architecture since the early 90s.
If there budget is such that dualie 2Ghz G5's are a possibility...
Budget had nothing to do with it; the PowerMac G5 isn't shipping yet. NASA had to have obtained theirs through a special arrangement with Apple.
I hope they didn't use gcc (the yet-another free and hopeless compiler).
It should be noted that Apple uses gcc to compile Mac OS X and most of their applications, so it would be appropriate to use gcc on the G5. Intel's compiler might be a more appropriate choice for the Xeon.
...even a half blind judge would break them up. Except that they will prbably buy him off too.
The judge is only allowed to make his ruling based on the facts and evidence presented by each side - he/she is REQUIRED to be somewhat blind. Jackson wasn't blind enough, and his remedy went further than was called for by the evidence presented - which doesn't mean his remedy went too far, it just means the prosecution didn't go far enough, and that was before the regime change. Judges are not easily bought; prosecutors are another matter.
Only the Supreme Court can look beyond the arguments presented and make a ruling based on whatever they want and get away with it, and so far they have declined to hear this case.
I though pos was "point of sale" or "piece of shit," depending on context.
Since I don't talk to kids who would need to say "parent over shoulder" (and when I was that age IM didn't exist), I guess if this were common usage I wouldn't know it, but I bet it's not universal. Kids have been making up code for that since the telephone became commonplace, and only their friends, and friends of their friends, would know what code they use.
I certainly wouldn't expect kids to be saying "point of sale", though.
mmmm I see you already used the "new" technology... It is quite obvious for a spanish speaker that you translated the text first from english to spanish using a translator... and then made it look like it was the other way around!
hehe, I'm not even fluent and it was pretty damn obvious. The untranslated "a/s/l" and the translated "Toys R Us" are the most obvious problems. Qué usted está usando? in this context is hillarious; that's very formal.