Yeah, it's cool that they are making their own version of the ipod with help from Apple.
Yeah, it's neat that they hope to add WMA support.
However, I will not buy any of their crap, since they have taken the viewpoint that every single music afficianado out there is a thief, declaring war on the "Sharing Culture" at the recent CES.
I mean, their CEO filled her keynote speech at CES Carly with media piracy rhetoric, saying that consumers are undermining the economy and the morals of this nation by exchanging music.
You want to buy from a company that thinks of all of you as thieves for ripping music, or *gasp* downloading a bunch of 1's and 0's that when put electronically, become music, go ahead. Just don't say you weren't warned.
If I had mod points, you would be a smoking crater.
Part of the free market is that the advertiser pays for the advertising. Faxing shifts the cost of the advertising to the recipient (in paper and ink).
If somebody agrees to receive this stuff, then there's no problem with it. That's a private contract between two parties.
Using your example, we shouldn't go after muggers because after all, they are part of the economy (redistribution of wealth, and hell, it'd create bodyguard jobs for wealthy people).
Tell you what.. I can visit your house in the middle of the night, and spray paint an advertisement for a local resturaunt on your window.. that is what junk faxers and spammers are doing. Using your property for their aggrandizement.
Spammer A has a lost of 1,000,000 email addresses generated through various "scraping" activities (Ie, the web, usenet, email, etc, etc)
He runs it through a script that checks the database, and then waits to see th result of addresses not "blocked" by the list.
Simple math. if it's not on the list post "block-wash", then it is a LIVE, WORKING, HUMAN-READ email-address, and is therefore worth more to spammers and their ilk. Expect that to be added to the "millions CD's" as soon as it happens.
This is not an anti-spam bill, it is a pro-spam and pro-Spammer bill.
Of course, it's letting Pandora out of the box when you think about it. You could always claim that by sending you junk email, the company has initiated a business relationship with you, and you can spam them back, say, 100 for 1? If the spammers don't like it...
they can always opt-out, or press delete.. after all that's what they want US to do..
I see blocklists like Spews, spamhaus and the like to see a LOT more use after the Spammers go nuts after this bill gets passed.
Hate to us it, but it's quite needed here, you rebel without a clue.
Pot, Kettle, Black.
all Spews is missing right now is a primary DNS. There are zones for looking it up, and there already have been several offers to host SPEWS on a free basis, anonymously as before. So all
Because he was put in that situation where he had to take it down by some spammer fuckwit who tried to blast his site off the network.
Also, this is apparently to help him determine the rogue requests from the legit ones. Legit folks will stop using it rather quickly, while the folks DDoS'ing him will come through.
How the fuck was he supposed to tell everyone that uses it that it's down? BECAUSE he's down?
Actually, there's a stronger version of Pandora's Box that's been mentioned.
And that's a version of the old "an eye for an eye" if spam becomes legal. That means spam runs at spammers that do JUST as much damage as the spammer's initial run. I don't agree with it, but you have to wonder about what it's going to take to stop these spammers.
After all, we're already into the criminal realm with the DDoS's.
It's a fall back plan discussed by admins. Look up Pandora's Box in news.admin.net-abuse.email.
The blacklists won every single case, but who says the folks doing these things were law-abiding citizens (look at Eddy Marin, the guy currently suing everyone to hell and back, a convicted Heroin runner). It's hard to do your job when you're scared for your life, you know?
Too fscking bad. As I sad before, you have no right to email. If your ISP is such a monopoily that it thinks it can crap up the net and host spammers willy nilly, I have NO pity for those blocked until the ISP gets a clue.
Remember, the Internet is a cooperative enviroment. In the older days, if one node was screwing up the rest of the network, it got pulled, and be damned if you were using it.
I hate to say it, but those WERE the good old days.
That's my standard response to folks who whine about being added to the list. If their ISP's gave a fsck about the net, they would do the right thing;)
don't blame Joe Jared. Blame the fucknuts who are DDoS'ing him off the face of the planet.
Public blacklists were tried.. and they were harassed, death threated and sued into oblivion.
Semi-Private Blacklists like Osirussoft has been tried. It hurts the spammers so much that they write viruses specifically to get around it and try to DDoS it off the net.
You won't like the next step.
What's coming will make SPEWS look like responsible.
Because it's something crybabies would whine repeatedly, bashing their fists against the ground.
You have no RIGHT to EMAIL. There is no "Pursuit of Life, Liberty, Happiness and 100% working email".
If you lay down with dogs (have a spam supporting ISP), you get fleas (people don't want to deal with your email because your ISP doesn't give a fsck about fixing their problems)
A) they're doing it more to get rid of the person creating harm at that ISP (the spammer). If just the spammer space was blacklisted, what does the ISP care? they can either let them spew at the 80% of the world that doesn't use SPEWS or whatever, or at the spammer's demand, move them around. give the spam-supporting ISP a choice. Play nice with the rest of the net (what the Internet was built upon), or get your email blocked. Email is not a right.
B) I use it. I love it. As I said. I'm tired of pink contracts, and folks hijacking relays, and now writing fscking VIRUSES to create new ways to spam (look into the discussion on that issue)
SpamAssassin is great, except one thing.. you have to receive the whole body. (and thus spend the computing cycles and bandwidth to acquire it and to check it). In this case, the ISP gets stopped after the first HELO (IIRC) and much less bandwidth is consumes.
Well that's because your spam-spewing-supporting ISP won't get off their spammer-paid ass to DO something about the problem, thus LANDING you on the list in the first place.
And the usual bullshit from clueless morons continues.
What the Fsck is he supposed to do, drop it silently and then continue to get hammered by 100,000 queries an hour? Personally Call each and every ISP that uses his lists? Remember, he can't use the net to do this, because some dipwad jerk is DDoS'ing the crap out of him and other anti-spam sites.
Oh, I forgot, the standard line from these spews.org haters is "I don't care if my ISP is letting spammers hijack relays and fuck up the net, I Want my EMAIL WHAWHAWHAWHA"
ISP's who deal with spammers get their rights to play with the rest of the net until they do the right thing, ie, get rid of the spammers. The internet is built on a collective trust that "You take care of your problems, and I'll take care of mine"
If the ISP wants to shit all over the network, then fine, let them. But don't expect me to want to have anything to do with them.
Mail Admins are tired of seeing spammers try million plus dictionary attacks.
1 spam email=little bandwidth.
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of spam emails, OVER AND OVEr.. consumes bandwidth, cleanup AND has been known to knock machines off line from the sheer amount of crap.
You try running a mail server, even at a small ISP, and see how much crap you have to deal with.
Because you've still used the bandwidth and the computing power to accept and anylyze the spam. The pressure needs to be on ISP's to play nice with the rest of the net. Remember, the net used to be a collective before it became the Interweb?
Hopefully, all that's left to happen is the spammer/nutjob behind these DDoS's to get caught and sentenced to a long term in a federal-pound-the-felon-in-the-ass prison.
Just came across an interesting newsbit on an update to yesterday's story about the fact that Novell is challenging SCO's ownership of the patents: (full article available HERE: http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030528/tech_novell_2.html)
"SCO conceded that Novel did still own the patents to the software, but it said it owned the contracts and as such it had the contractual right to prevent improper donations of the Unix code, methods or concepts into Linux.
"From a legal standpoint, contracts end up being far stronger than anything you could do with copyrights," it said."
So if Novell has no problem with it, as owner of the patent, what is SCO suing for? (besides as a "look at me, look at me, buy me!")
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I remember seeing a quote in the previous story stating that unless more folks license their IP , they'd sue Linus Torvalds for violating SCO's IP. Of course, with Novell's statement, even their ownership of the IP in question is vague.
So.. why isn't this being clamped down on as using the court for the purposes of extortion? I don't know what one has to do with the other, and (obligatory statement, I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV OR the internet), but it seems to me by tying in unrelated issues (do this, or we'll sue somebody else) they are using the courts for extortionary purposes. Be interesting to see if this gets looked at.
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Yeah, it's cool that they are making their own version of the ipod with help from Apple.
Yeah, it's neat that they hope to add WMA support.
However, I will not buy any of their crap, since they have taken the viewpoint that every single music afficianado out there is a thief, declaring war on the "Sharing Culture" at the recent CES.
I mean, their CEO filled her keynote speech at CES Carly with media piracy rhetoric, saying that consumers are undermining the economy and the morals of this nation by exchanging music.
You want to buy from a company that thinks of all of you as thieves for ripping music, or *gasp* downloading a bunch of 1's and 0's that when put electronically, become music, go ahead. Just don't say you weren't warned.
If I had mod points, you would be a smoking crater.
Part of the free market is that the advertiser pays for the advertising. Faxing shifts the cost of the advertising to the recipient (in paper and ink).
If somebody agrees to receive this stuff, then there's no problem with it. That's a private contract between two parties.
Using your example, we shouldn't go after muggers because after all, they are part of the economy (redistribution of wealth, and hell, it'd create bodyguard jobs for wealthy people).
Tell you what.. I can visit your house in the middle of the night, and spray paint an advertisement for a local resturaunt on your window.. that is what junk faxers and spammers are doing. Using your property for their aggrandizement.
Get a clue.
Here's why it doesn't work, however.
Spammer A has a lost of 1,000,000 email addresses generated through various "scraping" activities (Ie, the web, usenet, email, etc, etc)
He runs it through a script that checks the database, and then waits to see th result of addresses not "blocked" by the list.
Simple math. if it's not on the list post "block-wash", then it is a LIVE, WORKING, HUMAN-READ email-address, and is therefore worth more to spammers and their ilk. Expect that to be added to the "millions CD's" as soon as it happens.
This is not an anti-spam bill, it is a pro-spam and pro-Spammer bill.
Of course, it's letting Pandora out of the box when you think about it. You could always claim that by sending you junk email, the company has initiated a business relationship with you, and you can spam them back, say, 100 for 1? If the spammers don't like it...
they can always opt-out, or press delete.. after all that's what they want US to do..
I see blocklists like Spews, spamhaus and the like to see a LOT more use after the Spammers go nuts after this bill gets passed.
Hate to us it, but it's quite needed here, you rebel without a clue.
Pot, Kettle, Black.
all Spews is missing right now is a primary DNS. There are zones for looking it up, and there already have been several offers to host SPEWS on a free basis, anonymously as before. So all
So Yay You, you cretin.
No, they just see the net as something they can abuse and not give a fuck about the results on the rest of the net.
Sorry, but not everyone shares the attitude that Abusing the net is ok.
Because he was put in that situation where he had to take it down by some spammer fuckwit who tried to blast his site off the network.
Also, this is apparently to help him determine the rogue requests from the legit ones. Legit folks will stop using it rather quickly, while the folks DDoS'ing him will come through.
How the fuck was he supposed to tell everyone that uses it that it's down? BECAUSE he's down?
Idiot.
Actually, there's a stronger version of Pandora's Box that's been mentioned.
And that's a version of the old "an eye for an eye" if spam becomes legal. That means spam runs at spammers that do JUST as much damage as the spammer's initial run. I don't agree with it, but you have to wonder about what it's going to take to stop these spammers.
After all, we're already into the criminal realm with the DDoS's.
Spews isn't dead idiot.. there's still tens of mirrors out there.
Maybe you need to do more homework before you stick your foot so far into your mouth it's coming out your ass.
It's a fall back plan discussed by admins. Look up Pandora's Box in news.admin.net-abuse.email.
The blacklists won every single case, but who says the folks doing these things were law-abiding citizens (look at Eddy Marin, the guy currently suing everyone to hell and back, a convicted Heroin runner). It's hard to do your job when you're scared for your life, you know?
You- and anyone else whining or protesting that you can't affect your ISP are clearly as much a part of the spammers themselves.
You enjoy the DDoS's that's happening? Great. Hope you enjoy your spam.
Wish I could say the same.
Too fscking bad. As I sad before, you have no right to email. If your ISP is such a monopoily that it thinks it can crap up the net and host spammers willy nilly, I have NO pity for those blocked until the ISP gets a clue.
Remember, the Internet is a cooperative enviroment. In the older days, if one node was screwing up the rest of the network, it got pulled, and be damned if you were using it.
I hate to say it, but those WERE the good old days.
Ok, mea culpa on that. I read that wrong.
;)
That's my standard response to folks who whine about being added to the list. If their ISP's gave a fsck about the net, they would do the right thing
don't blame Joe Jared. Blame the fucknuts who are DDoS'ing him off the face of the planet.
Public blacklists were tried.. and they were harassed, death threated and sued into oblivion.
Semi-Private Blacklists like Osirussoft has been tried. It hurts the spammers so much that they write viruses specifically to get around it and try to DDoS it off the net.
You won't like the next step.
What's coming will make SPEWS look like responsible.
Remember Pandora's Box? I sure do.
Because it's something crybabies would whine repeatedly, bashing their fists against the ground.
You have no RIGHT to EMAIL. There is no "Pursuit of Life, Liberty, Happiness and 100% working email".
If you lay down with dogs (have a spam supporting ISP), you get fleas (people don't want to deal with your email because your ISP doesn't give a fsck about fixing their problems)
in response to
A) they're doing it more to get rid of the person creating harm at that ISP (the spammer). If just the spammer space was blacklisted, what does the ISP care? they can either let them spew at the 80% of the world that doesn't use SPEWS or whatever, or at the spammer's demand, move them around. give the spam-supporting ISP a choice. Play nice with the rest of the net (what the Internet was built upon), or get your email blocked. Email is not a right.
B) I use it. I love it. As I said. I'm tired of pink contracts, and folks hijacking relays, and now writing fscking VIRUSES to create new ways to spam (look into the discussion on that issue)
SpamAssassin is great, except one thing.. you have to receive the whole body. (and thus spend the computing cycles and bandwidth to acquire it and to check it). In this case, the ISP gets stopped after the first HELO (IIRC) and much less bandwidth is consumes.
Well that's because your spam-spewing-supporting ISP won't get off their spammer-paid ass to DO something about the problem, thus LANDING you on the list in the first place.
And the usual bullshit from clueless morons continues.
What the Fsck is he supposed to do, drop it silently and then continue to get hammered by 100,000 queries an hour? Personally Call each and every ISP that uses his lists? Remember, he can't use the net to do this, because some dipwad jerk is DDoS'ing the crap out of him and other anti-spam sites.
Oh, I forgot, the standard line from these spews.org haters is "I don't care if my ISP is letting spammers hijack relays and fuck up the net, I Want my EMAIL WHAWHAWHAWHA"
I'm learning something..
That you're a fscking moron.
ISP's who deal with spammers get their rights to play with the rest of the net until they do the right thing, ie, get rid of the spammers. The internet is built on a collective trust that "You take care of your problems, and I'll take care of mine"
If the ISP wants to shit all over the network, then fine, let them. But don't expect me to want to have anything to do with them.
You are an idiot.
Mail Admins are tired of seeing spammers try million plus dictionary attacks.
1 spam email=little bandwidth.
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of spam emails, OVER AND OVEr.. consumes bandwidth, cleanup AND has been known to knock machines off line from the sheer amount of crap.
You try running a mail server, even at a small ISP, and see how much crap you have to deal with.
No it's not.
Because you've still used the bandwidth and the computing power to accept and anylyze the spam. The pressure needs to be on ISP's to play nice with the rest of the net. Remember, the net used to be a collective before it became the Interweb?
Hopefully, all that's left to happen is the spammer/nutjob behind these DDoS's to get caught and sentenced to a long term in a federal-pound-the-felon-in-the-ass prison.
Let's see, so that would make you a "Anti-commerce Net-terrorist brownshirt Nazi karma whore", right?
:)
Oops.. can you answer that, I may have invoked Godwin on that one
(besides, it would never fit on a T-shirt!!!)
Hmmm.. the same Tsu Dho Nimh of NANAE fame? Might be we've found someone stupider then spammers :)
Just came across an interesting newsbit on an update to yesterday's story about the fact that Novell is challenging SCO's ownership of the patents: (full article available HERE: http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030528/tech_novell_2.html)
"SCO conceded that Novel did still own the patents to the software, but it said it owned the contracts and as such it had the contractual right to prevent improper donations of the Unix code, methods or concepts into Linux.
"From a legal standpoint, contracts end up being far stronger than anything you could do with copyrights," it said."
So if Novell has no problem with it, as owner of the patent, what is SCO suing for? (besides as a "look at me, look at me, buy me!")
I remember seeing a quote in the previous story stating that unless more folks license their IP , they'd sue Linus Torvalds for violating SCO's IP. Of course, with Novell's statement, even their ownership of the IP in question is vague.
So.. why isn't this being clamped down on as using the court for the purposes of extortion? I don't know what one has to do with the other, and (obligatory statement, I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV OR the internet), but it seems to me by tying in unrelated issues (do this, or we'll sue somebody else) they are using the courts for extortionary purposes. Be interesting to see if this gets looked at.