Alright,
I by far, do not claim to be a cultural advisor, nor a expert in military strategy or foreign policy for starters. I am just your average working, tax paying, tax paying, tax paying
american.
Just to start with, this game has gone on for centuries. It is nothing new, it is nothing odd, it is nothing more than your normal everyday sibling squabble that you may see
between children. The only difference here is it is on a scale far greater than the petty toy two children might fight over. Or is it?
Look, we were spying, (granted ) that is what we do, that is what they do, that is what the world does. Good thing too, if you ask me. It keeps technologies growing, and in check.
Think about it.
Anyway, what do we really have. Let's look at the facts. We have a E3 that is injured during flight, in international waters by a F8 Chinese fighter jet. Who's fault is that? ( at
this point does that really matter?)
The E3 personal onboard the plane have very strict guidelines to follow during an emergency. You can bet your military ass on that one. Now, this is where I do not claim to be a
military expert, but just knowing the military, Grandfather, Uncle, Father, Working in a Federal Armory. I know for a fact that everything is going to be BY THE BOOK tactics
during this kind of ( pre planned and trained and studied ) military emergency that the crew of the E3 faced. As far as the exact (procedure) who knows. But, I can pretty much
guess what it would be like.
Let's try to think this out.....in a general type of guesstimated way. 1) Send a distress call (both ) encrypted and all distress local channels ( still in guess mode here ) 2) (pilots:
engage OMG mode and calculate and asses damage to the plane. I.E.. what have we lost, what is working, what is heading, what is height and altitude, what is speed, where are
we, and what is the closest SAFEST possible way to get out of this alive.
That was a guess on what the pilots might be doing... now for the other crew in the front, middle and aft sections. (guessing starts here ) 1) aid in possible resolutions and
calculations for for emergency landing (again procedures) 2) Start all data automated and manual data shredding (procedures). This may or may not include flash fire devices that
destroy hardware also. (Still guessing ) re-cover the first 25 steps again for the next 10 minutes. Confirm via communications that procedures have been complied with and start
logging local transmissions and and instrument readings as the plane heads towards the final destination.
All of that is just a simple sit down and look at what one might do during a emergency and then put a military setting and standard to it. Not really hard to do if you ask me. As far
as accuracy I know that I am off to a point, but I have to close to the general idea.
Okay, so we covered what the crew of the E3 might do. How about the F8 fighter pilot before and after the crash. Again not an expert by any means. but let's try to think this out.
1) Hmmm we have spotted a E3 spy plane in international waters right by our coast. Let's let them know we are on to them, ( like our instrumentation onboard the plane did not
detect everything anyway ) and show them that we are ALMIGHTY AND POWERFUL AND NOT AFRAID OF (BIG BAD AMERICAN). Yes, that was drama. Anywho,
anyone that knows a fighter pilot will tell you two main things. Cocky as HELL, and Smart. Very very very dangerous combination when not controlled. I mean really, we pride our
american pilots for flying upside down and pulling ungodly G's every time we goto an air show don't we. We the people get the thrill of seeing precise control and maneuvers to
WOW the crowd. Do you really think there is any difference with that attitude whether it be, (for fun) or (for home and country) think about it.
Okay, back to the guesstimation. We have our pilot, let give him a name here ( Wong Wey ) and he is advised to give the (BIG BAD AMERICANS) a little hello present. So, as
any trained (cocky & smart ) pilot would do he cruises up to meeting altitude and trails the plane for a bit. Ahhh, no is time to show (BIG BAD AMERICANS) what military
Chinese pilot can do. So, burners on the jet light up. He closes in, in what I would think a attack posture and buzz the plane a few times then show the skill and disappear from
visual site only to be right under them. Herm..... this kinda sounds about right doesn't it? Scary, okay so now for the final wonderful ( I'LL SHOW YOU TACTIC ) cut the damn
plane off as close as humanly possible to scare the living crap out of them and I am sure the hopes of a nice little tail wash was in there too. At this point attitude took over and
control of both (plane and pilot) no longer linked and ( BAM ) wing strikes the E3.......Now... we have problems..... I am sure Wong Wey was going at very very high speeds to
pull off this talented uncontrolled stunt. What does this mean.... well have you ever seen a plane with only one damaged wing. It twirls like a top in all kinds of directions...
instruments are useless.....gimble just goes nuts.....what's up.....what's down....where am I.....how fast am I going... ground....air.....water.....sky......water.....gro und....air....all while
pulling tremendous body wrenching G's. Personaly...I am not suprised Wong Wey ended up the drink.
Okay.... that was long winded, but does it not give you a idea of possibility what might have really happened. Now, let's talk about what we have here today.
Here we have the Chinese, not that I am a cultural expert by far, but again they have a rich, very old, long lasting , deep rooted culture. Look at who they are...very very very
morally conscious. Here is a little tid bit I heard once. Let's just say it was icy out in china and a man fell. The response you would expect would be
( GOD(*#*@$ $@(*#(@%)*@(#&$) isn't it. Not in china.....that just happened for a reason.....you may not know it now....but you better stand up...bow and say domo ore gotto.
--- I know that is not right:). But it means thank you. Herm..... now that is very weird to us, the bad americans. Why in the holy hell would a man fall on ice, get up and bow,
and say thank you. Well... you talking thousands of years of moral training. Yes, thousands....america.....now just hold on.....we have been america for how long.....home of the
free.....outspoken......we do what we damn well want to do....we carry guns....we kick peoples asses for being stupid....come on. Talk about a serious clash.
Anyway...China has 24 of our american crewmen and women. China has one of the most upscale, high tech spy planes in the world on there airport runway. China has (TIME) and
a nice little (bargaining chip). Now, we hit politics.....admitted China does not like the West...why, that is pretty much gone over above....in a odd kind of way I admit. Not to
mention the fact that America has all the damn goodies and money. So, let's think in thousand year terms and bargaining chip and lack of technology they can not afford to copy
yet.
Herm....for one... WEST really needs to stand up and say domo ore gotto --I know, cause they fell down. Two...herm....we have crown jewel of the WEST sitting right here in
our parking lot. Three... we have 24 people that know what that plane does...and they come from the WEST. Now, my thought being them would be...uh..... stall stall stall stall
stall stall stall. Dismantle any useable parts.....get the crew to tell us how this shit works..... copy anything that is left over....... stall stall stall stall........pretend no no no this is
about saying thank you for falling down..stall stall stall.....damn it crew tell us how this works.
Last, but not least we have american politics...man if this is not a screwed up mess and a half to try to explain, but I will try. Still guestimation mode here. AHHHHHH shit, they
got our damn plane.....CRAAAAP and they have our people. Well, plane is pretty much screwed up....and taken care of. People are alive and well....and we want them back. But,
there is no DAMN WAY in hell I am going to say I am sorry or thank you for falling on my ass cause that is just not heard of, and really...you guys annoy the hell out of us. Heh,
that was a very loose interpretation of all that. Cause god only knows the quote (Bullshit) that the officials are pulling under your nose.
Media....now really people...do you think you are going to get an answer from them.....are you really that daft to think they are going to report the whole truth. Have we learned
absolutely nothing from the Clinton era?????? Media is in it for the money...the best story wins....I don't care how you get it....I don't care what little white lies are spred....I don't
care what cover-ups need to be done to save our asses...but I want A GOD (#*$# PRIZE WINNING, MONEY MAKING, RATING BOOSTING,
MOTHER #(@)*#$@ STORY. I WANT HEADLINES NOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!.
Herm....in conclusion I think..... I would like to see something like this.
1) Bend over and bow and say.....domo ore gotto...thank you.....sorry what the hell ever. Like that is really going to harm anyone (ego play ) (child's play)
2) Get our boys and gals home... the longer they stay the more the families suffer...the more they learn.
3) Hold back for a week or so and just ream them where it hurts the most... ( THE POCKET BOOK ).
4) Halt certain trades...open new trades with other countries that can produce..what we are looking for.... we have a whole world out there.
I think that is the best way to get stuff done....man you take money away China , that is really going to be hurting.them in the long run no doubt...specialy if we open other trades
with other countries for the same things. On the same note, just for thought...do you really really think that, that E3 is all we got.....Do your really think we have nothing out there
that puts that plane to total shame in eqpt that can spy and gather intelligence.? Do you really think... your getting the whole truth and nothing but the truth. ????
Night folks.
Slashdot Mirror
Alright, I by far, do not claim to be a cultural advisor, nor a expert in military strategy or foreign policy for starters. I am just your average working, tax paying, tax paying, tax paying american. Just to start with, this game has gone on for centuries. It is nothing new, it is nothing odd, it is nothing more than your normal everyday sibling squabble that you may see between children. The only difference here is it is on a scale far greater than the petty toy two children might fight over. Or is it? Look, we were spying, (granted ) that is what we do, that is what they do, that is what the world does. Good thing too, if you ask me. It keeps technologies growing, and in check. Think about it. Anyway, what do we really have. Let's look at the facts. We have a E3 that is injured during flight, in international waters by a F8 Chinese fighter jet. Who's fault is that? ( at this point does that really matter?) The E3 personal onboard the plane have very strict guidelines to follow during an emergency. You can bet your military ass on that one. Now, this is where I do not claim to be a military expert, but just knowing the military, Grandfather, Uncle, Father, Working in a Federal Armory. I know for a fact that everything is going to be BY THE BOOK tactics during this kind of ( pre planned and trained and studied ) military emergency that the crew of the E3 faced. As far as the exact (procedure) who knows. But, I can pretty much guess what it would be like. Let's try to think this out.....in a general type of guesstimated way. 1) Send a distress call (both ) encrypted and all distress local channels ( still in guess mode here ) 2) (pilots: engage OMG mode and calculate and asses damage to the plane. I.E.. what have we lost, what is working, what is heading, what is height and altitude, what is speed, where are we, and what is the closest SAFEST possible way to get out of this alive. That was a guess on what the pilots might be doing... now for the other crew in the front, middle and aft sections. (guessing starts here ) 1) aid in possible resolutions and calculations for for emergency landing (again procedures) 2) Start all data automated and manual data shredding (procedures). This may or may not include flash fire devices that destroy hardware also. (Still guessing ) re-cover the first 25 steps again for the next 10 minutes. Confirm via communications that procedures have been complied with and start logging local transmissions and and instrument readings as the plane heads towards the final destination. All of that is just a simple sit down and look at what one might do during a emergency and then put a military setting and standard to it. Not really hard to do if you ask me. As far as accuracy I know that I am off to a point, but I have to close to the general idea. Okay, so we covered what the crew of the E3 might do. How about the F8 fighter pilot before and after the crash. Again not an expert by any means. but let's try to think this out. 1) Hmmm we have spotted a E3 spy plane in international waters right by our coast. Let's let them know we are on to them, ( like our instrumentation onboard the plane did not detect everything anyway ) and show them that we are ALMIGHTY AND POWERFUL AND NOT AFRAID OF (BIG BAD AMERICAN). Yes, that was drama. Anywho, anyone that knows a fighter pilot will tell you two main things. Cocky as HELL, and Smart. Very very very dangerous combination when not controlled. I mean really, we pride our american pilots for flying upside down and pulling ungodly G's every time we goto an air show don't we. We the people get the thrill of seeing precise control and maneuvers to WOW the crowd. Do you really think there is any difference with that attitude whether it be, (for fun) or (for home and country) think about it. Okay, back to the guesstimation. We have our pilot, let give him a name here ( Wong Wey ) and he is advised to give the (BIG BAD AMERICANS) a little hello present. So, as any trained (cocky & smart ) pilot would do he cruises up to meeting altitude and trails the plane for a bit. Ahhh, no is time to show (BIG BAD AMERICANS) what military Chinese pilot can do. So, burners on the jet light up. He closes in, in what I would think a attack posture and buzz the plane a few times then show the skill and disappear from visual site only to be right under them. Herm..... this kinda sounds about right doesn't it? Scary, okay so now for the final wonderful ( I'LL SHOW YOU TACTIC ) cut the damn plane off as close as humanly possible to scare the living crap out of them and I am sure the hopes of a nice little tail wash was in there too. At this point attitude took over and control of both (plane and pilot) no longer linked and ( BAM ) wing strikes the E3.......Now... we have problems..... I am sure Wong Wey was going at very very high speeds to pull off this talented uncontrolled stunt. What does this mean.... well have you ever seen a plane with only one damaged wing. It twirls like a top in all kinds of directions... instruments are useless.....gimble just goes nuts.....what's up.....what's down....where am I.....how fast am I going... ground....air.....water.....sky......water.....gro und....air....all while
pulling tremendous body wrenching G's. Personaly...I am not suprised Wong Wey ended up the drink.
Okay.... that was long winded, but does it not give you a idea of possibility what might have really happened. Now, let's talk about what we have here today.
Here we have the Chinese, not that I am a cultural expert by far, but again they have a rich, very old, long lasting , deep rooted culture. Look at who they are...very very very
morally conscious. Here is a little tid bit I heard once. Let's just say it was icy out in china and a man fell. The response you would expect would be
( GOD(*#*@$ $@(*#(@%)*@(#&$) isn't it. Not in china.....that just happened for a reason.....you may not know it now....but you better stand up...bow and say domo ore gotto.
--- I know that is not right :). But it means thank you. Herm..... now that is very weird to us, the bad americans. Why in the holy hell would a man fall on ice, get up and bow,
and say thank you. Well... you talking thousands of years of moral training. Yes, thousands....america.....now just hold on.....we have been america for how long.....home of the
free.....outspoken......we do what we damn well want to do....we carry guns....we kick peoples asses for being stupid....come on. Talk about a serious clash.
Anyway...China has 24 of our american crewmen and women. China has one of the most upscale, high tech spy planes in the world on there airport runway. China has (TIME) and
a nice little (bargaining chip). Now, we hit politics.....admitted China does not like the West...why, that is pretty much gone over above....in a odd kind of way I admit. Not to
mention the fact that America has all the damn goodies and money. So, let's think in thousand year terms and bargaining chip and lack of technology they can not afford to copy
yet.
Herm....for one... WEST really needs to stand up and say domo ore gotto --I know, cause they fell down. Two...herm....we have crown jewel of the WEST sitting right here in
our parking lot. Three... we have 24 people that know what that plane does...and they come from the WEST. Now, my thought being them would be ...uh..... stall stall stall stall
stall stall stall. Dismantle any useable parts.....get the crew to tell us how this shit works..... copy anything that is left over....... stall stall stall stall........pretend no no no this is
about saying thank you for falling down..stall stall stall.....damn it crew tell us how this works.
Last, but not least we have american politics...man if this is not a screwed up mess and a half to try to explain, but I will try. Still guestimation mode here. AHHHHHH shit, they
got our damn plane.....CRAAAAP and they have our people. Well, plane is pretty much screwed up....and taken care of. People are alive and well....and we want them back. But,
there is no DAMN WAY in hell I am going to say I am sorry or thank you for falling on my ass cause that is just not heard of, and really...you guys annoy the hell out of us. Heh,
that was a very loose interpretation of all that. Cause god only knows the quote (Bullshit) that the officials are pulling under your nose.
Media....now really people...do you think you are going to get an answer from them.....are you really that daft to think they are going to report the whole truth. Have we learned
absolutely nothing from the Clinton era?????? Media is in it for the money...the best story wins....I don't care how you get it....I don't care what little white lies are spred....I don't
care what cover-ups need to be done to save our asses...but I want A GOD (#*$# PRIZE WINNING, MONEY MAKING, RATING BOOSTING,
MOTHER #(@)*#$@ STORY. I WANT HEADLINES NOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!.
Herm....in conclusion I think ..... I would like to see something like this.
1) Bend over and bow and say.....domo ore gotto...thank you.....sorry what the hell ever. Like that is really going to harm anyone (ego play ) (child's play)
2) Get our boys and gals home... the longer they stay the more the families suffer...the more they learn.
3) Hold back for a week or so and just ream them where it hurts the most... ( THE POCKET BOOK ).
4) Halt certain trades...open new trades with other countries that can produce..what we are looking for.... we have a whole world out there.
I think that is the best way to get stuff done....man you take money away China , that is really going to be hurting.them in the long run no doubt...specialy if we open other trades
with other countries for the same things. On the same note, just for thought...do you really really think that, that E3 is all we got.....Do your really think we have nothing out there
that puts that plane to total shame in eqpt that can spy and gather intelligence.? Do you really think... your getting the whole truth and nothing but the truth. ????
Night folks.