Could you please explain the relationship between not having a removable battery and the ability of a phone to stand up to abuse?
The last I checked all of the ruggedized nokia and snom phones have user replacable batteries.
The vast majority of phones are not ruggedized.
Every batteries plus I have ever been to has a wall of cell phone batteries behind the cashiers counter and upon arrival there is usually someone talking cell phone batteries to a customer. If nobody cared about replacing consumables in their devices you would think this space would be better utilized by other batteries which actually sold and made the company money.
I didn't say nobody wants replaceable batteries. You obviously do. Yes, companies can make money off segments of users whose needs are different from those of the majority.
It seems sometimes batteries die and at this point people start caring about being able to go to the store and buy a new battery without unecessary hassle.
Last time I had to replace a battery in a phone was in, um, 2004? Sometimes, parts of a device die. You take the device to repair to have the part replaced or just buy a new device. Making the battery removable is one of the design choices.
No, it's not. As Nokia admits, the 920 doesn't have the image stabilization yet. It hasn't been demonstrated, because they haven't even gotten a working prototype.
There is another video that explicitly claims to be demonstrating OIS on Lumia 920.
Any company that cuts user options because it would defile design is a douchbag in my book. Form should follow function, not the other way around. These devices are tools, not art.
This kinda explains the dismal failure of iPhone. Oh wait...
If the phone can actually do image stabilisation and it's not much worse than what's shown in the ad (regardless of how the ad was produced) then I don't see how this is misleading beyond the fact that it's an advertisement, and thus by definition intentionally misleading. Lies, damned lies, statistics, and advertising...
There are professional standards, even in advertising. Companies get reprimanded for misleading ads all the time.
The only honourable way out of this for Nokia is to redo the ad with a real Lumia 920. Cherry-pick the best working software snapshot out of a dosen latest, find the best working phone prototype, tweak parameters, but it has to be the real thing. Either they are really confident that actual PureView performance will match the pro-grade video, or this is beyond stupid.
Oh, and Lumia 820 has a removable battery as well. They just seem to slot people with a need for replaceable batteries and extensible storage into a lower price bracket.
Form follows function. You build your visual and aesthetic design around the functionality you want, and work from there, not the other way around.
Functionality I want: enough storage on the device to keep my music, allow me to take photos and capture videos. I haven't yet been able to fill even 16 GB in 8 months. Functionality I don't necessarily want: fiddling with external storage, removing gunk from one more opening on the phone. A phone with 32 GB built in fulfills its storage function for me just fine, thank you.
The feature list for this phone is very impressive but no user replacable battery no sale. More important than all the toys and gadgets the device must actually be capable of performing its primary function. Not allowing battery swapping or replacement is a deal breaker.
Well, it's a free market. Feel free to buy a phone that falls into pieces half the times you drop it, as all my phones with replaceable batteries did. Okay, all since Nokia 3310. That one is still working for my dad.
If I wanted to be lectured about how up is down and not having standard features such as SD cards and replacable batteries is actually a "good" thing I would have already purchased an iPhone.
More likely, these "standard" features are actually irrelevant to the majority of the customers, and Nokia knows that. Moreover, they had the good sense to include the SD slot with Lumia 820, because it only has 8 GB of internal storage, so it still matters somewhat.
Open up Chromium on that Linux box and lock the affinity to one core. Now go down slashdot middle-click opening every set of comments and see how much the box starts to lag. Now reboot and do the same test again while using both cores and note the difference. The fact that you even made this lame attempt at trolling saddens us all.
I thought it was going to be something like that... Sorry, I have better uses for my CPU cycles than abusing Slashdot's poorly scalable attempt to keep up with Web 2.0 (I'm browsing it now with the mostly single-threaded Firefox, to not much trouble). The thought of browsing Slashdot comments on a phone is downright revolting. Please find something that, you know, people out there with a life would do.
You asked me to satisfy your requirements and I did. Now you are trying to distract me by moving the goalposts. Troll harder. Please. BTW, the display is gorgeous and only the most persnickety of pimple-faced aspy's tell a real difference in day to day use.
Thanks for your stern answer to the AC up in the thread who seemed to find an issue with the level of hardware specs found in Lumia 920:-)
But I doubt the NT kernel is something they can just transplant onto existing hardware that it was never written for.
Let's play with this statement by changing one word: "But I doubt the Linux kernel is something they can just transplant onto existing hardware that it was never written for." This does not sound as credible; I wonder why.
You stupidass. Processor speed and ability to run multiple threads efficiently directly effects practically everything you do with your phone.
Do you have measurements to prove that?.. Thought so. Even my 3 year old dual-core Linux desktop has both cores sleeping most of the time. Just admit it: you were fed marketing bullshit.
It was easy for me. I ordered the Galaxy Nexus with Jellybean and presto-whamo I had exactly what you describe. Curved glass, NFC, attractive subtle appearance, butter smoothness and not a single glitch or crash. The phone is available on every carrier and is one of the cheapest high-end phones available at $350 direct from Google.
Hmm, let's see: only a 1.2 GHz dual-core CPU, display resolution worse than Lumia's and a cheap-ass PenTile at that... Did someone say "year old hardware" up in the thread?:-D
Done: that AC derides Lumia 920's specs as "last year", apparently meaning quad-core CPUs and other useless overdrive, and then goes on a tirade about idiots impressed by gimmicks.
It must feel like a perfect snub: design great looking, innovative hardware, make the software work glitch-free and easy to use
All debatable and easily found on every platform.
Heh. We both know how hard are all these qualities to come by with the Android devices that are on the market, especially if you want all of them together.
How about this, Mr. Windows Phone guy. Before talking shit how about SHIPPING SOME GODDAMNED PHONES. Then you can crow all day long. RIght now you sitting at under 5 percent and sinking. SHIP fucker. Then you will have something to say. Until then it's just pathetic posturing.
Boy aren't you a handsome example of the rabid fanbois that keep me amused every time I read comments about non-Android smartphones. I bet next year the tune will change to "your under 10 percent and sinking, show me some real SHIPPING". Meanwhile the indifferent world will roll by, and people will keep offending you by buying what looks better for them.
Millions already did, even with Windows Phone 7.5.
Honestly, they just cant compete with iOS and Android. and with the latest release of android, Google just upped their game hard.
Too bad its installed base is still below even that of latest Windows Phone.
Now all they need to do is tell handset makers that if they dont use the latest version they cant call it android or use any android branding to help flush off the craptastic 2.3.3 gingerbread phones that are still coming out.
Well, as they say here, good luck with that. It has been part of the deal for the vendors to be able to take Android and run with it, hasn't it?
Then you are a fool. You were sold a flagship phone all the while MS and Nokia knew that what you really had was a lame duck.
Could you please point me at an official statement from Nokia to the effect of: "this is our top of the line phone for years to come". Or, maybe: "Now that we have our new WP8 phones, we decided we will leave Lumia 900 without any new features, applications, or bug fixes". The GP was sold a very decent phone, one that is still fully supported, and it wasn't made any less valuable by what's coming next. Not everybody is a wonky kid who must sport the absolutely latest everything. Ironically, people who care about what's "flagship" this month ditch their phones every year anyway.
A dual core CPU and a huge battery are pretty great hardware specs.
Yeah...a year ago.
Also a mechanically stabilized sensor mechanism could be very big news
Only by checkbox marketers and the idiots impressed by gimmicks.
You managed to defeat your own point within the same comment, bravo.
Is it just me or are Android fans getting really angry over the Nokia news? It must feel like a perfect snub: design great looking, innovative hardware, make the software work glitch-free and easy to use — bypassing the One True Platform in favor of something that comes out of Redmond. Quick, we must flood the comment threads pointing out how quad-core CPUs, ridiculously high-res displays, and a zillion samey-looking apps make all the difference.
Nice, a cheery article worded like an advertisement, for all the GNOME 3 haters on Slashdot to get on their favorite horse and start spewing rage.
Yes, I'm OK with GNOME 3. No, I don't care what's going on with Ubuntu these days. Canonical's increasing preference for NIH-motivated development means there are less people funded by them to fix real problems.
These are pretty obvious to me: -Shades up so other planes can see you better while you are on the ground at night
Except they also dim the cabin lights. No, it's exactly to get the passengers ready and light-adapted to the conditions of a possible crash landing: cabin lights are out, possible smoke, yet the passengers need to see where to go.
-Seats upright so the seatbelt doesn't push your guts into your chest if you crash -Tray table stowed for the above reason as well
That maybe, but it also removes obstacles in people's evacuation paths.
In Sweden, it is about setting an example. Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism. Sweden has the highest number of rape cases per capita of any country in Europe.
Hmm. Even assuming this is true, might it mean that their occurrence of rape cases is closer to the occurrence of actual rape? It is well known that rape goes underreported due to social stigma and difficulty to prove the offender guilty (as more rapes are perpetrated by people known to the victim than the "dude jumping on a random woman in the park" variety).
I use my cellphone's GPS, and it's much handier than paper maps of course, but it has problems; it has to sit on my leg as I drive, every time I take a corner I have to use one hand to keep it from sliding onto the floor and then getting confused as to which direction we're going, and if I need to change anything as I drive, well obviously that's no different than texting and driving.
This is easily fixed with a cheap phone holder affixed to the windshield by a suction cup.
Yes, I have to deal with error conditions and bother about explicit API conventions for them, but doing it explicitly is still better than the way exceptions are wedged into C++.
Everybody in Japan must think it's beneath themselves to pin frequently used applications to the launch bar. I have the terminal pinned (you obviously meant it when you wrote "Gnome shell", the real gnome-shell is the compositing window manager that provides the desktop itself), as well as the other applications I use 98% of the time.
The IM clusterfuck sounds like there's a bug in how it works. Why does it need to be disabled repeatedly, when the applications should be searchable in the local language if their desktop items provide the translation? Is there some ugly workaround that's drilled in to the point that it gets in the way of doing things straightforwardly?
Japanese users must guess which translated words associated to what one want to get.
So, you defend the local-unfriendly, English-centric way to find things that Unix users are accustomed to. Wouldn't it be too much to demand that every useful application has a Japanese l10n with terminology homogenized to what most users in Japan expect (even if it often equates to "how it's translated in Windows")?
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Could you please explain the relationship between not having a removable battery and the ability of a phone to stand up to abuse?
The last I checked all of the ruggedized nokia and snom phones have user replacable batteries.
The vast majority of phones are not ruggedized.
Every batteries plus I have ever been to has a wall of cell phone batteries behind the cashiers counter and upon arrival there is usually someone talking cell phone batteries to a customer. If nobody cared about replacing consumables in their devices you would think this space would be better utilized by other batteries which actually sold and made the company money.
I didn't say nobody wants replaceable batteries. You obviously do. Yes, companies can make money off segments of users whose needs are different from those of the majority.
It seems sometimes batteries die and at this point people start caring about being able to go to the store and buy a new battery without unecessary hassle.
Last time I had to replace a battery in a phone was in, um, 2004?
Sometimes, parts of a device die. You take the device to repair to have the part replaced or just buy a new device. Making the battery removable is one of the design choices.
It's over 7 million Lumia phones alone. And why is this a problem, as long as the sales are growing?
No, it's not. As Nokia admits, the 920 doesn't have the image stabilization yet. It hasn't been demonstrated, because they haven't even gotten a working prototype.
There is another video that explicitly claims to be demonstrating OIS on Lumia 920.
Seriously? Take a look for yourself: http://swipe.nokia.com/features/
Features, shmeatures. I programmed the poor thing, and I still think it was a failure. It was destined to be half-baked even before the axe fell.
There's a reason the N9 with MeeGo outsold their first batches of WP7 phones, despite its lack of marketing and limited availability.
There are no trustworthy data confirming this.
Any company that cuts user options because it would defile design is a douchbag in my book. Form should follow function, not the other way around. These devices are tools, not art.
This kinda explains the dismal failure of iPhone. Oh wait...
If the phone can actually do image stabilisation and it's not much worse than what's shown in the ad (regardless of how the ad was produced) then I don't see how this is misleading beyond the fact that it's an advertisement, and thus by definition intentionally misleading. Lies, damned lies, statistics, and advertising...
There are professional standards, even in advertising. Companies get reprimanded for misleading ads all the time.
The only honourable way out of this for Nokia is to redo the ad with a real Lumia 920. Cherry-pick the best working software snapshot out of a dosen latest, find the best working phone prototype, tweak parameters, but it has to be the real thing. Either they are really confident that actual PureView performance will match the pro-grade video, or this is beyond stupid.
I wish Slashdot had a built-in way to save links to comments, to laugh at them and their moderators years later.
Oh, and Lumia 820 has a removable battery as well. They just seem to slot people with a need for replaceable batteries and extensible storage into a lower price bracket.
Form follows function. You build your visual and aesthetic design around the functionality you want, and work from there, not the other way around.
Functionality I want: enough storage on the device to keep my music, allow me to take photos and capture videos. I haven't yet been able to fill even 16 GB in 8 months.
Functionality I don't necessarily want: fiddling with external storage, removing gunk from one more opening on the phone.
A phone with 32 GB built in fulfills its storage function for me just fine, thank you.
The feature list for this phone is very impressive but no user replacable battery no sale. More important than all the toys and gadgets the device must actually be capable of performing its primary function. Not allowing battery swapping or replacement is a deal breaker.
Well, it's a free market. Feel free to buy a phone that falls into pieces half the times you drop it, as all my phones with replaceable batteries did. Okay, all since Nokia 3310. That one is still working for my dad.
If I wanted to be lectured about how up is down and not having standard features such as SD cards and replacable batteries is actually a "good" thing I would have already purchased an iPhone.
More likely, these "standard" features are actually irrelevant to the majority of the customers, and Nokia knows that. Moreover, they had the good sense to include the SD slot with Lumia 820, because it only has 8 GB of internal storage, so it still matters somewhat.
Open up Chromium on that Linux box and lock the affinity to one core. Now go down slashdot middle-click opening every set of comments and see how much the box starts to lag. Now reboot and do the same test again while using both cores and note the difference. The fact that you even made this lame attempt at trolling saddens us all.
I thought it was going to be something like that... Sorry, I have better uses for my CPU cycles than abusing Slashdot's poorly scalable attempt to keep up with Web 2.0 (I'm browsing it now with the mostly single-threaded Firefox, to not much trouble). The thought of browsing Slashdot comments on a phone is downright revolting. Please find something that, you know, people out there with a life would do.
You asked me to satisfy your requirements and I did. Now you are trying to distract me by moving the goalposts. Troll harder. Please. BTW, the display is gorgeous and only the most persnickety of pimple-faced aspy's tell a real difference in day to day use.
Thanks for your stern answer to the AC up in the thread who seemed to find an issue with the level of hardware specs found in Lumia 920 :-)
But I doubt the NT kernel is something they can just transplant onto existing hardware that it was never written for.
Let's play with this statement by changing one word:
"But I doubt the Linux kernel is something they can just transplant onto existing hardware that it was never written for."
This does not sound as credible; I wonder why.
You stupidass. Processor speed and ability to run multiple threads efficiently directly effects practically everything you do with your phone.
Do you have measurements to prove that?.. Thought so. Even my 3 year old dual-core Linux desktop has both cores sleeping most of the time. Just admit it: you were fed marketing bullshit.
It was easy for me. I ordered the Galaxy Nexus with Jellybean and presto-whamo I had exactly what you describe. Curved glass, NFC, attractive subtle appearance, butter smoothness and not a single glitch or crash. The phone is available on every carrier and is one of the cheapest high-end phones available at $350 direct from Google.
Hmm, let's see: only a 1.2 GHz dual-core CPU, display resolution worse than Lumia's and a cheap-ass PenTile at that... Did someone say "year old hardware" up in the thread? :-D
Put down the crack pipe and read the post again.
Done: that AC derides Lumia 920's specs as "last year", apparently meaning quad-core CPUs and other useless overdrive, and then goes on a tirade about idiots impressed by gimmicks.
It must feel like a perfect snub: design great looking, innovative hardware, make the software work glitch-free and easy to use
All debatable and easily found on every platform.
Heh. We both know how hard are all these qualities to come by with the Android devices that are on the market, especially if you want all of them together.
How about this, Mr. Windows Phone guy. Before talking shit how about SHIPPING SOME GODDAMNED PHONES. Then you can crow all day long. RIght now you sitting at under 5 percent and sinking. SHIP fucker. Then you will have something to say. Until then it's just pathetic posturing.
Boy aren't you a handsome example of the rabid fanbois that keep me amused every time I read comments about non-Android smartphones. I bet next year the tune will change to "your under 10 percent and sinking, show me some real SHIPPING". Meanwhile the indifferent world will roll by, and people will keep offending you by buying what looks better for them.
Still nobody will buy it.
Millions already did, even with Windows Phone 7.5.
Honestly, they just cant compete with iOS and Android. and with the latest release of android, Google just upped their game hard.
Too bad its installed base is still below even that of latest Windows Phone.
Now all they need to do is tell handset makers that if they dont use the latest version they cant call it android or use any android branding to help flush off the craptastic 2.3.3 gingerbread phones that are still coming out.
Well, as they say here, good luck with that. It has been part of the deal for the vendors to be able to take Android and run with it, hasn't it?
outsource all manufacturing
They didn't outsource manufacturing, they shifted it to their own factories in Asia.
You spoiled a perfect rant with your pointless facts and unnecessary knowledge of the matter.
Then you are a fool. You were sold a flagship phone all the while MS and Nokia knew that what you really had was a lame duck.
Could you please point me at an official statement from Nokia to the effect of: "this is our top of the line phone for years to come". Or, maybe: "Now that we have our new WP8 phones, we decided we will leave Lumia 900 without any new features, applications, or bug fixes". The GP was sold a very decent phone, one that is still fully supported, and it wasn't made any less valuable by what's coming next. Not everybody is a wonky kid who must sport the absolutely latest everything. Ironically, people who care about what's "flagship" this month ditch their phones every year anyway.
A dual core CPU and a huge battery are pretty great hardware specs.
Yeah...a year ago.
Also a mechanically stabilized sensor mechanism could be very big news
Only by checkbox marketers and the idiots impressed by gimmicks.
You managed to defeat your own point within the same comment, bravo.
Is it just me or are Android fans getting really angry over the Nokia news? It must feel like a perfect snub: design great looking, innovative hardware, make the software work glitch-free and easy to use — bypassing the One True Platform in favor of something that comes out of Redmond. Quick, we must flood the comment threads pointing out how quad-core CPUs, ridiculously high-res displays, and a zillion samey-looking apps make all the difference.
Nice, a cheery article worded like an advertisement, for all the GNOME 3 haters on Slashdot to get on their favorite horse and start spewing rage.
Yes, I'm OK with GNOME 3. No, I don't care what's going on with Ubuntu these days. Canonical's increasing preference for NIH-motivated development means there are less people funded by them to fix real problems.
These are pretty obvious to me:
-Shades up so other planes can see you better while you are on the ground at night
Except they also dim the cabin lights. No, it's exactly to get the passengers ready and light-adapted to the conditions of a possible crash landing: cabin lights are out, possible smoke, yet the passengers need to see where to go.
-Seats upright so the seatbelt doesn't push your guts into your chest if you crash
-Tray table stowed for the above reason as well
That maybe, but it also removes obstacles in people's evacuation paths.
In Sweden, it is about setting an example. Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism. Sweden has the highest number of rape cases per capita of any country in Europe.
Hmm. Even assuming this is true, might it mean that their occurrence of rape cases is closer to the occurrence of actual rape? It is well known that rape goes underreported due to social stigma and difficulty to prove the offender guilty (as more rapes are perpetrated by people known to the victim than the "dude jumping on a random woman in the park" variety).
I use my cellphone's GPS, and it's much handier than paper maps of course, but it has problems; it has to sit on my leg as I drive, every time I take a corner I have to use one hand to keep it from sliding onto the floor and then getting confused as to which direction we're going, and if I need to change anything as I drive, well obviously that's no different than texting and driving.
This is easily fixed with a cheap phone holder affixed to the windshield by a suction cup.
Yes, I have to deal with error conditions and bother about explicit API conventions for them, but doing it explicitly is still better than the way exceptions are wedged into C++.
Everybody in Japan must think it's beneath themselves to pin frequently used applications to the launch bar. I have the terminal pinned (you obviously meant it when you wrote "Gnome shell", the real gnome-shell is the compositing window manager that provides the desktop itself), as well as the other applications I use 98% of the time.
The IM clusterfuck sounds like there's a bug in how it works. Why does it need to be disabled repeatedly, when the applications should be searchable in the local language if their desktop items provide the translation? Is there some ugly workaround that's drilled in to the point that it gets in the way of doing things straightforwardly?
Japanese users must guess which translated words associated to what one want to get.
So, you defend the local-unfriendly, English-centric way to find things that Unix users are accustomed to. Wouldn't it be too much to demand that every useful application has a Japanese l10n with terminology homogenized to what most users in Japan expect (even if it often equates to "how it's translated in Windows")?