"I'm sorry, Motif is *ugly*. Even more so than Qt."
While Motif ugliness cannot be proved or disproved, the second part of your comment shows that you have no idea what are you talking about.
Qt is GUI emulation toolkit and as such does not have its own look.
On Unix box it defaults to Motif look ( just like Java) and on Windows to Win32 style look.
Qt is NOT Linux oriented at all. Look at their config directory which contains dozens of different configuration files for various Unix flavors.
It is a commercial product and therefore when it claims support for a given Unix platform it really does support it ( no "I don't have IRIX so try and see if it works yourself " style so prevalent among free software.)
PS. Original Motif widget set is pathetic as compared to current Qt.
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No I have not. I am quite happy with Qt.
However I did remember reading in some article about wxWindows people complaining about lack of slot/signal equivalent and how it was necessary to actually subclass button to handle its events.
Well, from business point of view GPL and FSF are clearly a joke. People willingly part with their money to obtain AOL services while FSF is forced to beg for donations.
Interestingly, while some advocates of Open Source Software claim that relative popularity of few packages like Apache and Bind is a validation of their concept they seem to forget that commercial products cost money and STILL manage to do well in the market where there are free alternatives available. That tells you something about quality of Open Source software.
That has been my problem since the very first time I used X.
It was simply much slower than Windows running on the same box.
I even went so far as to actually spend $200 on AcceleratedX which helped a lot but even with that it was not quite as responsive as Windows.
One has no choice but conclude that X is not as efficient as Win32 GDI.
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Dude, I agree with what you said but please read my post again.
I was talking about GUI EMULATION and not forcing people into using some obscure widget schemes.
Believe me, Qt emulating Windows looks and acts 99% just like original Windows app.
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"Part of why wxWindows is so nice is because it uses the native widgets of the platform it runs on. "
Frankly, I think GUI emulation route taken by Trolltech is a much better approach. First of all, using native widgets ( like java infamous AWT ) forces one to adopt the lowest common denominator of available functionality. You also end up with problems related to awkward OO design (inherited classes based on existing widgets are often hard to implement etc.)
Finally, there is a performance penalty related to API layering ( Qt code on given platform occurs no such penalty because it is executed in the same level as code for native widgets.)
The point is that Athlon outperforms Xeon when measured in comparable enviroment ( not to mention significantly lower price.)
These "Athlon fanboys" are into something here, don't you think ?
Who Indians insist on keeping Kashmir when it brings nothing to the table but constant trouble?
Why is that ? Wanna be like "others" (China , Russian and other would-be powers )?
Goverments are always evil and distrustfull , therefore degree to which you are dependend on the goverment is degree of distrust you will be subjected to.
Why do you inject that "white guy" here ?
Trust me, as far as getting rich while "serving" people goes, Africa and its various "presidents" are masters at this trade.
"What has caused our governments to distrust us so? "
What ? Every time you surrender one of your rights to the government (usually it goes along with taxation-higher taxes mean more of your daily needs being taken care of by bunch of government employees) you contribute to that problem.
"result of a collaborative effort of many people working towards a common good"
You have just described half of US corporations which definately DO PAY people to collaborate.
Do they work towards a common good ?
Well, depends how you define common good...
Some would even dare to say that once this new BWM comes out and is available for purchase it becomes our "common good "...
OT but if your company was typical then that source code probably had couple of "black hole" sections which nobody even attempted to touch cause " it would fucking break everything" , there were well known entry points where people would enter to follow the flow and hopefully make some changes and finally there would be no single person or documentation allowing somebody new to comprehend and introduce major changes in that code.
Anyway, maybe my experience is unique and most software out there is well written and maintainable...
SQL Server - it was licensed from Sybase.
The other two were settled in court just like stealing and unfair competition usually is.
What this has to do with XP ?
Structural resilience ?
We are talking here about a bar. A place, existence of which is entirely owned to a good will of some guy somewhere in a local governmental office.
It is beyond GPL, BSD etc etc...
KDE,Gnome - one cannot escape conclusion that MS Windows was and still is training ground for these projects.
Gnome Evolution - copy of Outlook.
Konqueror - obviously based on concepts first introduced in IE ( desktop integration, file manager working as a browser )
Samba - obvious one.
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"I'm sorry, Motif is *ugly*. Even more so than Qt."
While Motif ugliness cannot be proved or disproved, the second part of your comment shows that you have no idea what are you talking about.
Qt is GUI emulation toolkit and as such does not have its own look.
On Unix box it defaults to Motif look ( just like Java) and on Windows to Win32 style look.
Qt is NOT Linux oriented at all. Look at their config directory which contains dozens of different configuration files for various Unix flavors.
It is a commercial product and therefore when it claims support for a given Unix platform it really does support it ( no "I don't have IRIX so try and see if it works yourself " style so prevalent among free software.)
PS. Original Motif widget set is pathetic as compared to current Qt.
No I have not. I am quite happy with Qt.
However I did remember reading in some article about wxWindows people complaining about lack of slot/signal equivalent and how it was necessary to actually subclass button to handle its events.
Well, from business point of view GPL and FSF are clearly a joke. People willingly part with their money to obtain AOL services while FSF is forced to beg for donations.
Interestingly, while some advocates of Open Source Software claim that relative popularity of few packages like Apache and Bind is a validation of their concept they seem to forget that commercial products cost money and STILL manage to do well in the market where there are free alternatives available. That tells you something about quality of Open Source software.
Are you sure ?
I remember reading ad for an alternative commercial version of libc for Linux which was definately NOT under GPL or LGPL.
That has been my problem since the very first time I used X.
It was simply much slower than Windows running on the same box.
I even went so far as to actually spend $200 on AcceleratedX which helped a lot but even with that it was not quite as responsive as Windows.
One has no choice but conclude that X is not as efficient as Win32 GDI.
Dude, I agree with what you said but please read my post again.
I was talking about GUI EMULATION and not forcing people into using some obscure widget schemes.
Believe me, Qt emulating Windows looks and acts 99% just like original Windows app.
"Part of why wxWindows is so nice is because it uses the native widgets of the platform it runs on. "
Frankly, I think GUI emulation route taken by Trolltech is a much better approach. First of all, using native widgets ( like java infamous AWT ) forces one to adopt the lowest common denominator of available functionality. You also end up with problems related to awkward OO design (inherited classes based on existing widgets are often hard to implement etc.)
Finally, there is a performance penalty related to API layering ( Qt code on given platform occurs no such penalty because it is executed in the same level as code for native widgets.)
The point is that Athlon outperforms Xeon when measured in comparable enviroment ( not to mention significantly lower price.)
These "Athlon fanboys" are into something here, don't you think ?
In general it is however there were cases of Australian missionaries being attacked and murdered by a mob.
What ?
US is a world capital of porn.
Who Indians insist on keeping Kashmir when it brings nothing to the table but constant trouble?
Why is that ? Wanna be like "others" (China , Russian and other would-be powers )?
"people but they largely resist screwing the world while they're at it. "
Onlly because they lack neccesary means.
Goverments are always evil and distrustfull , therefore degree to which you are dependend on the goverment is degree of distrust you will be subjected to.
Why do you inject that "white guy" here ?
Trust me, as far as getting rich while "serving" people goes, Africa and its various "presidents" are masters at this trade.
"What has caused our governments to distrust us so? "
What ? Every time you surrender one of your rights to the government (usually it goes along with taxation-higher taxes mean more of your daily needs being taken care of by bunch of government employees) you contribute to that problem.
"Stuff produced locally is never
pirated because such piracy is prosecuted. "
Heh, truly Russian style - darn patriotic even when stealing stuff.
"result of a collaborative effort of many people working towards a common good"
...
You have just described half of US corporations which definately DO PAY people to collaborate.
Do they work towards a common good ?
Well, depends how you define common good
Some would even dare to say that once this new BWM comes out and is available for purchase it becomes our "common good "...
"It is possible for unordered information to become ordered by random fluctuation. "
Yeah, still Entropy just going the opposite direction.
Hell, this fucking image is so ugly I actually tend to support moderating down just about anybody who links to it - related or not.
OT but if your company was typical then that source code probably had couple of "black hole" sections which nobody even attempted to touch cause " it would fucking break everything" , there were well known entry points where people would enter to follow the flow and hopefully make some changes and finally there would be no single person or documentation allowing somebody new to comprehend and introduce major changes in that code.
Anyway, maybe my experience is unique and most software out there is well written and maintainable...
SQL Server - it was licensed from Sybase.
The other two were settled in court just like stealing and unfair competition usually is.
What this has to do with XP ?
Structural resilience ? ..
We are talking here about a bar. A place, existence of which is entirely owned to a good will of some guy somewhere in a local governmental office.
It is beyond GPL, BSD etc etc.
Metal-shaded widgets of Crux itself make your system inelegant.
But of course, it is only me and my opinion.
If you enjoy this , good for you.
KDE,Gnome - one cannot escape conclusion that MS Windows was and still is training ground for these projects.
Gnome Evolution - copy of Outlook.
Konqueror - obviously based on concepts first introduced in IE ( desktop integration, file manager working as a browser )
Samba - obvious one.