College math is one thing. High school math, where 80% + of the students do not take math past the requirement and do not remember what they learned after taking math is another.
If you were going to be a teacher, then you would understand what I was talking about. the original post talking about the program came from a HS student, not a Math major at a university.
I use my Calculator functions to cut down on busy work in My classes as well (once you get to high level math, the only busy work there is is algebra and arithmetic) but for a high school student to take short cuts, after only having had one or two classes on algebraic concepts, is not productive.
a constructionist approach to learning basic algebra and other basic mathematics can help and is far superior over Rote only methods because not only does it give the students a problem to solve (which in and of itself makes it more interesting that churning out answers.) but because the students learn the skill through their own discovery, they remember it better and know how to apply it in real world situations right away.
it is also why no one in the US can do math very well.
sure, students must learn to apply the QF manually, but that is not the only way it should be presented. a constructivist approach to learning math through a guided discovery process is much more effective at getting the students to remember something than repetition of a mundane fact.
to make a program that gets a value of any formula in a Ti calculator, one doe snot need to know how to apply the formula on paper. they only need to know how to make the program.
umm, unless you are in Mathematical Proof now, that busy work that you are skipping over is kinda necessary for you to learn the stuff.
though rote learning of Math is the worst way to present it, so if you are doing a lot of busy work to the point of making a program to do the work for you, then I think you have a poor teacher.
heh, I did that in my joke of a computer class back when I was in high school.
the class was called "computer math" but the teacher was afraid that he would scare kids away and not have a class so he had the first half of the semester be devoted to TI-82 programming (I guess that is how he sold it to the school board) and the last half we did some rudimentary Pascal and Hypercard. Me and 3 other guys in the class were computer geeks and got detention about 4 times that semester... computer geeks getting detention.... that can only happen in a class where it is dumbed down to much.
that is all you can fit into that course? why not replace the useless Excel crap with Perl? then you can have an advanced course that goes into CGI since they know Perl and HTML.
why would you get people into programing using VB? VB is a bastard language and that goes for RealBasic and any other VB clone.
C is a good language to start in. getting a program to do something is fairly simple because there are so few commands.
even better is Python or Pearl because they are forgiving and can do useful things.
personally I like LISP. the hardest part of LISP is the debugging, but the syntax is very simple and if you know 10 built in functions you can do a whole lot.
why teach them about what they have? what people should be teaching is general concepts about a computer. on Mac, Windows and Linux and even more exotic GUI driven environments, all the tools act in certain core ways that when taught to the students will allow them to go from one computer to another knowing that it is similar and they can figure it out.
the reason people do not know how to use computers well is because they think that if they do not know how to use a specific environment or program then they cannot use it at all.
perhaps you should also pay attention in english class......
the word is INVOLVED, not envovled
and C++ is not that lovely for Robotics, or anything else really. C++ is good for GUIs, that is about it, secure code is near impossible in C++, and why, if you are doing Logic and AI, would you not use Prolog and some functional language like LISP or haskell?
umm, see, that is the thing. if there is no copyright, and only patent, then all software would be open source. you have to publish the schematics of how it works and that is done in software through publishing the code.
why do you think that software companies do not like this because then all they have is the trade secrets law to protect them which basically means that if you could not protect the secret from being leaked, then you have no protection for its redistribution and use, you only have recourse against the person that leaked it.
only if you are a moron and do not know that Koncrapulator is a copy of Classic macOS tools that Apple had been using and not implemented yet on OS X when Koncrapulator folks did their work.
MS was not trying to be better than Spotlight, WinFS is on teh level of Spotlight, not this POS. this is a stopgap in order to keep Windows users from jumping ship on the search systems so when they do introduce the next search subsystem in Longhorn (WinFS) people will be using it rather than using a crappier search from a 3rd party.
except that spotlight is integrated into the system and can do a lot more, like the promised WinFS.
this is a fancy search that can do nothing but search an index and then you have to manually update that index when you add new files. AND you cannot even leverage it (not that you would want to with this piece of crap) from a program.
it also doe not attract the file tree structure like WinFS will and Spotlight does.
so, yes, if you are just talking about searching, then yes, this toolbar does do that... but in every other way, this has nothing even close to the capabilities MS promised and Spotlight delivers on.
the point of computing should be as a tool that you use, not one that you manage.
abstracting the file system and even the folders by creating a content based system, you allow people to use the system more efficiently because they go to what they need, not where they need to go to get what they need.
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College math is one thing. High school math, where 80% + of the students do not take math past the requirement and do not remember what they learned after taking math is another.
If you were going to be a teacher, then you would understand what I was talking about. the original post talking about the program came from a HS student, not a Math major at a university.
I use my Calculator functions to cut down on busy work in My classes as well (once you get to high level math, the only busy work there is is algebra and arithmetic) but for a high school student to take short cuts, after only having had one or two classes on algebraic concepts, is not productive.
a constructionist approach to learning basic algebra and other basic mathematics can help and is far superior over Rote only methods because not only does it give the students a problem to solve (which in and of itself makes it more interesting that churning out answers.) but because the students learn the skill through their own discovery, they remember it better and know how to apply it in real world situations right away.
it is also why no one in the US can do math very well.
sure, students must learn to apply the QF manually, but that is not the only way it should be presented. a constructivist approach to learning math through a guided discovery process is much more effective at getting the students to remember something than repetition of a mundane fact.
I most certainly do.
to make a program that gets a value of any formula in a Ti calculator, one doe snot need to know how to apply the formula on paper. they only need to know how to make the program.
ok Paul.
all you need to make a program for it is to look it up in your math book one time. don't even try to tell me that you know it well.
and besides that, rote learning in math is a bad way to teach... your teacher sucks.
I was talking about syntax wise.
embedded functions and such.
i is a shorter leap to LISP than it is to C and its derivatives.
the reason is that most of those kids thought they would be the next bill gates. when they realized that the work sucks, they dropped.
umm, unless you are in Mathematical Proof now, that busy work that you are skipping over is kinda necessary for you to learn the stuff.
though rote learning of Math is the worst way to present it, so if you are doing a lot of busy work to the point of making a program to do the work for you, then I think you have a poor teacher.
heh, I did that in my joke of a computer class back when I was in high school.
the class was called "computer math" but the teacher was afraid that he would scare kids away and not have a class so he had the first half of the semester be devoted to TI-82 programming (I guess that is how he sold it to the school board) and the last half we did some rudimentary Pascal and Hypercard. Me and 3 other guys in the class were computer geeks and got detention about 4 times that semester... computer geeks getting detention.... that can only happen in a class where it is dumbed down to much.
Java is a real programming language. What makes you think it isn't?
he is an idiot.
that is all you can fit into that course? why not replace the useless Excel crap with Perl? then you can have an advanced course that goes into CGI since they know Perl and HTML.
why would you get people into programing using VB? VB is a bastard language and that goes for RealBasic and any other VB clone.
C is a good language to start in. getting a program to do something is fairly simple because there are so few commands.
even better is Python or Pearl because they are forgiving and can do useful things.
personally I like LISP. the hardest part of LISP is the debugging, but the syntax is very simple and if you know 10 built in functions you can do a whole lot.
why teach them about what they have? what people should be teaching is general concepts about a computer. on Mac, Windows and Linux and even more exotic GUI driven environments, all the tools act in certain core ways that when taught to the students will allow them to go from one computer to another knowing that it is similar and they can figure it out.
the reason people do not know how to use computers well is because they think that if they do not know how to use a specific environment or program then they cannot use it at all.
dude, if you can to TI-84 programming, look at LISP and other Functional languages.
the Ti-84 language is very similar.
perhaps you should also pay attention in english class......
the word is INVOLVED, not envovled
and C++ is not that lovely for Robotics, or anything else really.
C++ is good for GUIs, that is about it, secure code is near impossible in C++, and why, if you are doing Logic and AI, would you not use Prolog and some functional language like LISP or haskell?
they can construct Lego robots and program them to negotiate a maze. the one that makes it the furthest wins.
umm, see, that is the thing. if there is no copyright, and only patent, then all software would be open source. you have to publish the schematics of how it works and that is done in software through publishing the code.
why do you think that software companies do not like this because then all they have is the trade secrets law to protect them which basically means that if you could not protect the secret from being leaked, then you have no protection for its redistribution and use, you only have recourse against the person that leaked it.
they may still issue an opinion on it urging congress to choose one method over the other.
why? so it can explode and deafen you?
what the fuck are you talking about? I have an eMac ad have no such raster defect.
only if you are a moron and do not know that Koncrapulator is a copy of Classic macOS tools that Apple had been using and not implemented yet on OS X when Koncrapulator folks did their work.
MS was not trying to be better than Spotlight, WinFS is on teh level of Spotlight, not this POS. this is a stopgap in order to keep Windows users from jumping ship on the search systems so when they do introduce the next search subsystem in Longhorn (WinFS) people will be using it rather than using a crappier search from a 3rd party.
except that spotlight is integrated into the system and can do a lot more, like the promised WinFS.
this is a fancy search that can do nothing but search an index and then you have to manually update that index when you add new files. AND you cannot even leverage it (not that you would want to with this piece of crap) from a program.
it also doe not attract the file tree structure like WinFS will and Spotlight does.
so, yes, if you are just talking about searching, then yes, this toolbar does do that... but in every other way, this has nothing even close to the capabilities MS promised and Spotlight delivers on.
I love how he is to much of a pussy to have a talkback section :-)
the point of computing should be as a tool that you use, not one that you manage.
abstracting the file system and even the folders by creating a content based system, you allow people to use the system more efficiently because they go to what they need, not where they need to go to get what they need.