i would like one more for every example in the link above. i can get dozens more of violent rhetoric from the right if you like
this will be a fun numbers game
are you really going to try to deny that the right has used violent rhetoric prominently and proudly recently? you really think the rhetoric form the left even remotely compares?
why do you think that if you have a gun you will stop someone who intends you harm? why do you believe you are some sort of superhero? if someone intends you harm, you are dead. you're not omnipotent. you don't sleep with your gun in your hand (maybe you do lol). and, YOU SLEEP. they won't let you get to your gun in time
your failure is you believe your gun protects you from scenarios it doesn't protect you from. if a guy with a gun intends me harm, i'm dead. if a guy with a gun intends you harm, you're dead. your gun won't save you. in fact, there are plenty of scenarios where, simply having a gun around you, due to confusion or miscommunication, you use it in ways in which tragedy strikes you or your family. that stranger fumbling into your window at night turns out to be your son who forgot his keys. oh well, nice shot
you seem quite happy with your tool which grants such easy power over mortality. what you don't understand is that real life is not the movies, and such easy access to that power puts you closer to death, not further away from it, as life plays out in various rare scenarios. the universe of possible events due to easy access to mortal power definitely includes the virtuous use of a gun to save your life or family or property. yes. unfortunately, the ease of the use of that power includes many other paths of possible outcomes that greatly outnumber the good scenarios. so, playing the odds, its simply better for your life and limb not to have a gun
if some guy puts a gun in my back, i'm out a wallet. if some guy puts a gun in your back, and you try to fight back, you have a bullet in your back. you can list me a dozen scenarios where the presence of your gun saves you. and for every one of those scenarios, i can outline 12 more where the presence of that gun results in some tragedy or loss for you. the mere presence of the gun in your life puts you closer to tragedy. its statistics friend. good luck to you and your boy scout thinking. too bad you're not in a movie, where you make no mistakes, misjudge no scenarios, and always shoot fastest and aim perfect every time. because if you don't?
nice, take it to the kindergarten level of argument
you want some lucidity and coherence? ok:
if guns are cracked down on, of course crime with guns will still happen. but a lot of the casual morons who shoot up discos because some chick looked at him funny and wackjobs like in arizona and virginia tech: that will stop. that's the point of cracking down on guns. not to stop the criminal mastermind, he will always get a gun, legal or not. but the criminal mastermind is smart, careful, and rare. you won't catch him shooting up a kindergarten or disco. the point is to stop the casual morons and insane people getting guns
but apparently, if i say something like that, i will encounter NRA assholes like yourself who say this is unamerican and against the constitution
so its apparently not america until every paranoid schizophrenic can freely buy an uzi and walk around with it under his coat in public
that's america! fuck yeah! woohoo!
fucking retards with blood on their hands
i take solace in the fact that every tragedy like in arizona brings freethinking people to my side. you take solace in the fact that random vigilante assholes in public with guns will magically stop the next tragedy (like in gun happy arizona today, right?), because real life works like the movies
the real world doesn't work like your boy scout fantasies, you ignorant twatstain
i have no doubt lives have been saved by gun use by virtuous individuals
the point here is you don't understand those examples are massively dwarfed by senseless killing. moron shooting up a disco because a chick looked at him funny, kid finds a gun and plays with it, well intentioned smaritan gets confused and shoots an innocent, husband loses it and shoots wife, etc, etc, etc
i can point to prominent people on the right, in prominent media outlets and political gatherings, clearing talking up violence, multiple times over the last few years
and i'm certain you can find me some loon on the left talking about violence in some chat room
do you really think those two examples are comparable?
and i'm talking about INCITEMENT AND REFERENCE TO PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT AND THE LEFT. not just simple political venom
it is a simple fact that the republican party has been politicizing violence against the government for quite a while now, there are many numerous recent examples from prominent people on the right in prominent media outlets and political gatherings
now, the birds come home to roost: someone acts on their rhetoric
and you want to say the left is the one politicizing this tragic event, when the left is merely accurately describing where the crazy person got his motivation from
its nice to see that easy access to guns, resulting in the tragedy in arizona, has taught you some humility
the simple political reason you still have your gun is demographic: the usa is more rural than urban as compared to somewhere like europe. but that's changing as time goes on
and as more senseless killing comes from easy access to guns, as is inevitably the case, more people will understand what easy access to guns really means, and opinion will simply shift in my direction
i own the future friend, you currently own the present. currently, people die, for the sake of strident assholes like you. blood is on your hands, whether your vain ignorant ass realizes it or not
i realize it. and every day, with more tragedies like the one in arizona, other people will too
oh no wait! the next time a crazy person starts shooting, everyone will armed and tragedy will be maagically stopped like in the movies! lol. what a retard
enjoy the future conversation with your children or grandchildren, who will think like me;-)
i don't expect you to agree with me. you're well indoctrinated and entrenched in your point of view. like a creationist. logic and reason, you are impervious to
however, when a tragedy like in arizona strikes, the anger wells up, and i recognize what ignorance like yours costs this country, and i am filled with a simple motivation: WAKE THE FUCK UP, YOU IGNORANT FUCKING MORON
not that i think you will change, but because i need to get my anger off my chest at how this country is held hostage in insane thinking by assholes like you
what happens next is events like the one in arizona convinces more people that we need more limits on guns. i take solace in that. the present may belong to ignorance like yours on easy gun access, but the future belongs to me
simply because gun advocates are crazy if they think easy access to guns won't result in more tragedies like the one in arizona. and tragedies like the one in arizona will inevitably turning public opinion against easy access
so i look forward venting on an ignorant like you the next time a tragedy like this happens
oh wait! a tragedy like this will never happen again. because everyone will be armed and the shooter will be magically stopped since everything always plays out in real life like in a dirty harry movie in a well armed populace. never is it true that easy access to guns just results in senseless pointless death
i will preach on. and i am happy that my words will be heard by and agreed to by intelligent and sane people. unfortunately, by what you have written, you aren't in that group. good luck on your journey to logical coherence
the second amendment is about muskets and militia and native americans and red coats running around on the frontier. it has nothing to do with lone vigilantes with dirty harry complexes walking around with a.38 special. completely different situations, and you know it, however you CREATIVELY INTERPRET the constitution, the constitution clearly DOES NOT literally support the point of view you have
btw, if guns are made illegal, i have no doubts that some truly malintentioned criminals will still have guns. but making guns illegal is not about keeping guns away from the crafty evil criminal, it never was. it is about keeping guns away from the casual moron. the casual moron is the kind of guy who will shoot up a disco because some chick looked at him funny. by definition of what a casual moron is, this is not the kind of guy who will devote much time and effort to getting a firearm. thus, you save thousands of lives form pointless death every year when you make firearms harder to get. see?
the flip side of that observation is the well-armed criminal mastermind, now, he has a gun whether guns are legal or illegal. additionally, being the crafty fellow he is, if he is your enemy, he will make sure you are dead no matter how well-armed you are. your trusty side arm is no defense against the intelligent amoral individual. it simply isn't. unless you never sleep and live in a bunker. if you make enemies with the wrong type of guy, you're simply dead, whether guns are legal, or illegal, or you are well armed, or unarmed
additionally, the causal moron, when he pulls out a side arm and starts firing, this follows no rational line of thought. because he's a casual moron. so maybe you'll get the jump on his trigger finger. maybe you won't. who knows what sets a drunk casual moron with a gun off? good luck figuring that out
so: you have a strange faith in an object that doesn't really protect you from menace. and yet, you also believe that the free access to that object, by any random asshole, somehow makes you safer! hilarious
in short, sweet dreams, fool, with your false faith
ok, so i just won't care that thousands of my fellow americans are killed every year because some morons believe easy access to killing technology isn't a problem
your words have consequences. do you understand that simple obvious fact?
if you have been preaching violent antigovernment rhetoric for years, and you motivate a nutcase to do exactly what your OWN WORDS CLEARLY ENUNCIATE AS AN EVENT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN, you share responsibility for what the nutcase does
all nutcases act alone in actions, but not in motivation. they derive support and sustenance from all their compatriots egging them on, all the hate and violence in their own hearts that they don't make happen, but the nutcase knows their compatriots will be glad if violence actually does happen. it allows the nutcase to be a martyr for the cause, it empowers them to act, to do something brave and heroic for the cause
no cause, no martyr
now, on the left, saying we need to stop the hate speech. on the right: the gunman is a crazy on his own
why? because the right benefits from the hate
you see that right?
but its too bad... the right had a bigger target in mind, right?
maybe the next crazy person all the violent rhetoric motivates will aim a little higher, right?
pffffft
according to you, a large group of people can preach violent antigovernment hate, thousands can go "hurrah! hurrah!" for years. then, when what these people clearly have said they want to happen for many years actually happens... nope, no connection at all
i think i understand you and what you represent perfectly well
people on the left have been warning that hatemongering and fearmongering from the right would lead to violence. now it has. we were right
we are not turning this into a soap box for our views, we are saying the right is wrong to turn their soap box into a pulpit to preach violent fear and hate of the government, because it motivates wackjobs to start shooting. we are not making this political, the right made this political, and is reaping what they sowed
hatemongering leads to violence. the right has been hatemongering for years. here is the violence they preached for. the left is not making this political. the right made hate a political tool, and this is what they get
respect for life? WHERE WAS THE RESPECT FROM THE RIGHT when they crossed the line into hate and fear?
this is the conversation:
right: {hatemongering speech}
left: if you hatemonger, there will be violence, so don't do it
right: {continues hatemongering speech}
-violence happens, just as predicted-
left: i told you hatemongering...
right: don't make this political!
seriously?
look, asshole, the RIGHT HAS BEEN PREACHING VIOLENT HATE, AND VIOLENT HATE HAPPENED
i am not making this political. the right made violent hate political a long time ago
yes, i am saying that if you get up on a soapbox and preach violence and hate, violence and hate will follow, and you should feel responsibility for reaping what you sow
what's the problem you have with that concept?
by your words, hitler is completely innocent, because he didn't actually kill anyone himself, he just talked a lot!
you have the right to say whatever you want. but that doesn't absolve you of responsibility for what is done because of the words you say. do you understand that?
hundreds of thousands of europeans died because of stupid religious trivial bullshit
so i'm sorry, islam isn't the problem
that being said a LARGE group of present day muslims are very happy to use islam to justify their violence, and that IS a problem. and i also agree that there aren't enough moderate muslims being vocal enough about what is being done in the name of their religion and in their societies, and i am actually angry at moderate muslims about that. in other words, i agree with you that too many muslims are violent and intolerant in their philosophies
now, the thrity years war led to the enlightenment, and the healthy distrust of religion we still carry around today, and so the christian world is now largely devoid of the religious madness to the size and extent the muslim world is still embroiled in. a cynical part of me unfortunately believes islam will be used to justify violence by idiots until a large number of muslims are killed (by other muslims) within islam, thereby creating the conditions for muslims themselves to realize that being overly intolerant in your religious belief is the source of your own undoing, no western bogeyman needed. thus, i believe muslims need to go through their own enlightenment before they purge their societies of the religious madness they are currently embroiled in. and then the muslim world will be just as cynical as so many in the christian world about the true value of religion. i hope the blood shed of muslim on muslim is not necessary, but the cynic in me believes this
but the koran itself as just as guilty as the bible is for the thirty years war, if you want to hold a dusty old book guilty of anything. it's the PEOPLE and what they believe that is the problem
the actual religious text is just a bunch of old stories that can be twisted to justify pretty much anything you want, of any peace, or any violence, whether christian text or muslim text
you have every right to say anything you want to say, and i will defend your right to say that to the death because i am a real american
at the same time, depending upon what you say, i also have a right to say you might be a fearmongering hatemongering antiamerican right wing demagogue douchebag
are we clear?
because i say something against your opinion does not mean i am censoring you. if i describe your words as hate mongering, or fearmongering or antiamerican right wing douchebaggery, i'm not censoring you
do you understand that?
apparently, according to you, just the act of DISAGREEING with someone is an act of censorship
LOL
like i said, how that particular bit of hilarious ignorance about free speech got stuck in that low iq mind of yours must make for an interesting story
no one believes that criminal masterminds won't get guns no matter what the legality
the point of making guns illegal is that your casual moron won't get a gun. casual morons are the kind who shoot up discos because some chick looked at him funny. criminal masterminds won't do that. criminal masterminds, in fact, will use their gun to kill you in such a way that, even if you yourself have a gun, you won't be able to defend yourself
the point of making guns illegal is to cut down on deaths by casual morons. no one thinks that some criminal mastermind won't get a gun. and even if you have a gun to defend yourself in a land where guns are legal, you're still pretty much dead if a criminal mastermind intends your death
so the lesson are twofold:
1. don't piss off criminal masterminds, no matter how well armed you are 2. outlawing guns prevents senseless deaths by casual morons only, not by criminal masterminds. but that's the whole point
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okay, thanks for your one example
i would like one more for every example in the link above. i can get dozens more of violent rhetoric from the right if you like
this will be a fun numbers game
are you really going to try to deny that the right has used violent rhetoric prominently and proudly recently? you really think the rhetoric form the left even remotely compares?
why do you think that if you have a gun you will stop someone who intends you harm? why do you believe you are some sort of superhero? if someone intends you harm, you are dead. you're not omnipotent. you don't sleep with your gun in your hand (maybe you do lol). and, YOU SLEEP. they won't let you get to your gun in time
your failure is you believe your gun protects you from scenarios it doesn't protect you from. if a guy with a gun intends me harm, i'm dead. if a guy with a gun intends you harm, you're dead. your gun won't save you. in fact, there are plenty of scenarios where, simply having a gun around you, due to confusion or miscommunication, you use it in ways in which tragedy strikes you or your family. that stranger fumbling into your window at night turns out to be your son who forgot his keys. oh well, nice shot
you seem quite happy with your tool which grants such easy power over mortality. what you don't understand is that real life is not the movies, and such easy access to that power puts you closer to death, not further away from it, as life plays out in various rare scenarios. the universe of possible events due to easy access to mortal power definitely includes the virtuous use of a gun to save your life or family or property. yes. unfortunately, the ease of the use of that power includes many other paths of possible outcomes that greatly outnumber the good scenarios. so, playing the odds, its simply better for your life and limb not to have a gun
if some guy puts a gun in my back, i'm out a wallet. if some guy puts a gun in your back, and you try to fight back, you have a bullet in your back. you can list me a dozen scenarios where the presence of your gun saves you. and for every one of those scenarios, i can outline 12 more where the presence of that gun results in some tragedy or loss for you. the mere presence of the gun in your life puts you closer to tragedy. its statistics friend. good luck to you and your boy scout thinking. too bad you're not in a movie, where you make no mistakes, misjudge no scenarios, and always shoot fastest and aim perfect every time. because if you don't?
oh, "i know you are but what am i"
nice, take it to the kindergarten level of argument
you want some lucidity and coherence? ok:
if guns are cracked down on, of course crime with guns will still happen. but a lot of the casual morons who shoot up discos because some chick looked at him funny and wackjobs like in arizona and virginia tech: that will stop. that's the point of cracking down on guns. not to stop the criminal mastermind, he will always get a gun, legal or not. but the criminal mastermind is smart, careful, and rare. you won't catch him shooting up a kindergarten or disco. the point is to stop the casual morons and insane people getting guns
but apparently, if i say something like that, i will encounter NRA assholes like yourself who say this is unamerican and against the constitution
so its apparently not america until every paranoid schizophrenic can freely buy an uzi and walk around with it under his coat in public
that's america! fuck yeah! woohoo!
fucking retards with blood on their hands
i take solace in the fact that every tragedy like in arizona brings freethinking people to my side. you take solace in the fact that random vigilante assholes in public with guns will magically stop the next tragedy (like in gun happy arizona today, right?), because real life works like the movies
the real world doesn't work like your boy scout fantasies, you ignorant twatstain
http://bluevirginia.us/diary/2796/gop-embrace-of-violent-rhetoric-a-chicken-coming-home-to-roost
i have no doubt lives have been saved by gun use by virtuous individuals
the point here is you don't understand those examples are massively dwarfed by senseless killing. moron shooting up a disco because a chick looked at him funny, kid finds a gun and plays with it, well intentioned smaritan gets confused and shoots an innocent, husband loses it and shoots wife, etc, etc, etc
i can point to prominent people on the right, in prominent media outlets and political gatherings, clearing talking up violence, multiple times over the last few years
and i'm certain you can find me some loon on the left talking about violence in some chat room
do you really think those two examples are comparable?
and i'm talking about INCITEMENT AND REFERENCE TO PHYSICAL VIOLENCE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT AND THE LEFT. not just simple political venom
how many examples do you want?
http://bluevirginia.us/diary/2796/gop-embrace-of-violent-rhetoric-a-chicken-coming-home-to-roost
it is a simple fact that the republican party has been politicizing violence against the government for quite a while now, there are many numerous recent examples from prominent people on the right in prominent media outlets and political gatherings
now, the birds come home to roost: someone acts on their rhetoric
and you want to say the left is the one politicizing this tragic event, when the left is merely accurately describing where the crazy person got his motivation from
wow
the right wing has been politicizing violence against the government for quite a while now
and now so many people want to say that that has nothing to do with someone committing violence against the government
isn't that interesting?
i don't understand the comparison
i am talking about what the most prominent and visible members of the right have been saying constantly from prominent media outlets in recent years
you are talking about some fringe characters no one cares about on the left, who haven't said anything even remotely interesting in decades
its nice to see that easy access to guns, resulting in the tragedy in arizona, has taught you some humility
the simple political reason you still have your gun is demographic: the usa is more rural than urban as compared to somewhere like europe. but that's changing as time goes on
and as more senseless killing comes from easy access to guns, as is inevitably the case, more people will understand what easy access to guns really means, and opinion will simply shift in my direction
i own the future friend, you currently own the present. currently, people die, for the sake of strident assholes like you. blood is on your hands, whether your vain ignorant ass realizes it or not
i realize it. and every day, with more tragedies like the one in arizona, other people will too
oh no wait! the next time a crazy person starts shooting, everyone will armed and tragedy will be maagically stopped like in the movies! lol. what a retard
enjoy the future conversation with your children or grandchildren, who will think like me ;-)
xoxoxoxoxoxox
i don't expect you to agree with me. you're well indoctrinated and entrenched in your point of view. like a creationist. logic and reason, you are impervious to
however, when a tragedy like in arizona strikes, the anger wells up, and i recognize what ignorance like yours costs this country, and i am filled with a simple motivation: WAKE THE FUCK UP, YOU IGNORANT FUCKING MORON
not that i think you will change, but because i need to get my anger off my chest at how this country is held hostage in insane thinking by assholes like you
what happens next is events like the one in arizona convinces more people that we need more limits on guns. i take solace in that. the present may belong to ignorance like yours on easy gun access, but the future belongs to me
simply because gun advocates are crazy if they think easy access to guns won't result in more tragedies like the one in arizona. and tragedies like the one in arizona will inevitably turning public opinion against easy access
so i look forward venting on an ignorant like you the next time a tragedy like this happens
oh wait! a tragedy like this will never happen again. because everyone will be armed and the shooter will be magically stopped since everything always plays out in real life like in a dirty harry movie in a well armed populace. never is it true that easy access to guns just results in senseless pointless death
riiiight, i forgot, sorry
you ignorant asshole
i will preach on. and i am happy that my words will be heard by and agreed to by intelligent and sane people. unfortunately, by what you have written, you aren't in that group. good luck on your journey to logical coherence
i'm not going to take your guns away from you, ever. that's not my intention. i know someone like you will still have them even if they were illegal
i'm simply telling you the gun in your hand does not do for you what you think it does
the second amendment is about muskets and militia and native americans and red coats running around on the frontier. it has nothing to do with lone vigilantes with dirty harry complexes walking around with a .38 special. completely different situations, and you know it, however you CREATIVELY INTERPRET the constitution, the constitution clearly DOES NOT literally support the point of view you have
btw, if guns are made illegal, i have no doubts that some truly malintentioned criminals will still have guns. but making guns illegal is not about keeping guns away from the crafty evil criminal, it never was. it is about keeping guns away from the casual moron. the casual moron is the kind of guy who will shoot up a disco because some chick looked at him funny. by definition of what a casual moron is, this is not the kind of guy who will devote much time and effort to getting a firearm. thus, you save thousands of lives form pointless death every year when you make firearms harder to get. see?
the flip side of that observation is the well-armed criminal mastermind, now, he has a gun whether guns are legal or illegal. additionally, being the crafty fellow he is, if he is your enemy, he will make sure you are dead no matter how well-armed you are. your trusty side arm is no defense against the intelligent amoral individual. it simply isn't. unless you never sleep and live in a bunker. if you make enemies with the wrong type of guy, you're simply dead, whether guns are legal, or illegal, or you are well armed, or unarmed
additionally, the causal moron, when he pulls out a side arm and starts firing, this follows no rational line of thought. because he's a casual moron. so maybe you'll get the jump on his trigger finger. maybe you won't. who knows what sets a drunk casual moron with a gun off? good luck figuring that out
so: you have a strange faith in an object that doesn't really protect you from menace. and yet, you also believe that the free access to that object, by any random asshole, somehow makes you safer! hilarious
in short, sweet dreams, fool, with your false faith
ok, so i just won't care that thousands of my fellow americans are killed every year because some morons believe easy access to killing technology isn't a problem
right, because the technology that makes killing an easy point and click effort, has no meaning whatsoever
your words have consequences. do you understand that simple obvious fact?
if you have been preaching violent antigovernment rhetoric for years, and you motivate a nutcase to do exactly what your OWN WORDS CLEARLY ENUNCIATE AS AN EVENT YOU WANT TO HAPPEN, you share responsibility for what the nutcase does
all nutcases act alone in actions, but not in motivation. they derive support and sustenance from all their compatriots egging them on, all the hate and violence in their own hearts that they don't make happen, but the nutcase knows their compatriots will be glad if violence actually does happen. it allows the nutcase to be a martyr for the cause, it empowers them to act, to do something brave and heroic for the cause
no cause, no martyr
now, on the left, saying we need to stop the hate speech. on the right: the gunman is a crazy on his own
why? because the right benefits from the hate
you see that right?
but its too bad... the right had a bigger target in mind, right?
maybe the next crazy person all the violent rhetoric motivates will aim a little higher, right?
pffffft
according to you, a large group of people can preach violent antigovernment hate, thousands can go "hurrah! hurrah!" for years. then, when what these people clearly have said they want to happen for many years actually happens... nope, no connection at all
i think i understand you and what you represent perfectly well
people on the left have been warning that hatemongering and fearmongering from the right would lead to violence. now it has. we were right
we are not turning this into a soap box for our views, we are saying the right is wrong to turn their soap box into a pulpit to preach violent fear and hate of the government, because it motivates wackjobs to start shooting. we are not making this political, the right made this political, and is reaping what they sowed
hatemongering leads to violence. the right has been hatemongering for years. here is the violence they preached for. the left is not making this political. the right made hate a political tool, and this is what they get
respect for life? WHERE WAS THE RESPECT FROM THE RIGHT when they crossed the line into hate and fear?
this is the conversation:
right: {hatemongering speech}
left: if you hatemonger, there will be violence, so don't do it
right: {continues hatemongering speech}
-violence happens, just as predicted-
left: i told you hatemongering...
right: don't make this political!
seriously?
look, asshole, the RIGHT HAS BEEN PREACHING VIOLENT HATE, AND VIOLENT HATE HAPPENED
i am not making this political. the right made violent hate political a long time ago
got it?
yes, i am saying that if you get up on a soapbox and preach violence and hate, violence and hate will follow, and you should feel responsibility for reaping what you sow
what's the problem you have with that concept?
by your words, hitler is completely innocent, because he didn't actually kill anyone himself, he just talked a lot!
you have the right to say whatever you want. but that doesn't absolve you of responsibility for what is done because of the words you say. do you understand that?
islam has just as many violent bullshit as christianity does
both sides of this conflict cited christianity as their motivation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War
hundreds of thousands of europeans died because of stupid religious trivial bullshit
so i'm sorry, islam isn't the problem
that being said a LARGE group of present day muslims are very happy to use islam to justify their violence, and that IS a problem. and i also agree that there aren't enough moderate muslims being vocal enough about what is being done in the name of their religion and in their societies, and i am actually angry at moderate muslims about that. in other words, i agree with you that too many muslims are violent and intolerant in their philosophies
now, the thrity years war led to the enlightenment, and the healthy distrust of religion we still carry around today, and so the christian world is now largely devoid of the religious madness to the size and extent the muslim world is still embroiled in. a cynical part of me unfortunately believes islam will be used to justify violence by idiots until a large number of muslims are killed (by other muslims) within islam, thereby creating the conditions for muslims themselves to realize that being overly intolerant in your religious belief is the source of your own undoing, no western bogeyman needed. thus, i believe muslims need to go through their own enlightenment before they purge their societies of the religious madness they are currently embroiled in. and then the muslim world will be just as cynical as so many in the christian world about the true value of religion. i hope the blood shed of muslim on muslim is not necessary, but the cynic in me believes this
but the koran itself as just as guilty as the bible is for the thirty years war, if you want to hold a dusty old book guilty of anything. it's the PEOPLE and what they believe that is the problem
the actual religious text is just a bunch of old stories that can be twisted to justify pretty much anything you want, of any peace, or any violence, whether christian text or muslim text
let's make this simple:
you have every right to say anything you want to say, and i will defend your right to say that to the death because i am a real american
at the same time, depending upon what you say, i also have a right to say you might be a fearmongering hatemongering antiamerican right wing demagogue douchebag
are we clear?
because i say something against your opinion does not mean i am censoring you. if i describe your words as hate mongering, or fearmongering or antiamerican right wing douchebaggery, i'm not censoring you
do you understand that?
apparently, according to you, just the act of DISAGREEING with someone is an act of censorship
LOL
like i said, how that particular bit of hilarious ignorance about free speech got stuck in that low iq mind of yours must make for an interesting story
i don't want to burn any books
how the fuck you deduced that special brain fart must make an interesting story
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1942286&cid=34806696
apparently one of his crank causes is gold and silver backed currency: a classic right wing wackjob
http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-lee-loughner-2011-1
thank you right wing america, for all the hate mongering and fearmongering
you reap what you sow
no one believes that criminal masterminds won't get guns no matter what the legality
the point of making guns illegal is that your casual moron won't get a gun. casual morons are the kind who shoot up discos because some chick looked at him funny. criminal masterminds won't do that. criminal masterminds, in fact, will use their gun to kill you in such a way that, even if you yourself have a gun, you won't be able to defend yourself
the point of making guns illegal is to cut down on deaths by casual morons. no one thinks that some criminal mastermind won't get a gun. and even if you have a gun to defend yourself in a land where guns are legal, you're still pretty much dead if a criminal mastermind intends your death
so the lesson are twofold:
1. don't piss off criminal masterminds, no matter how well armed you are
2. outlawing guns prevents senseless deaths by casual morons only, not by criminal masterminds. but that's the whole point