if you preach violence and hate, you get it expressed
you reap what you sow
to absolve certain groups who have been violently expressing their distaste of government for an extended period of time from what is an obvious result of that rhetoric, represents a strange way to think about how the world and human nature works
yes, there are crazy people everywhere. but if you give the crazy person easy access to a gun, and yell at them crazy theories about how their own government is their mortal violent enemy, you get crazy people shooting at the government. its a pretty straightforward cause and effect
you can't absolve from guilt the demagogue who has been preaching violence and hate when violence and hate is expressed exactly as the demagogue's words intend
look at the violent anti-abortion rhetoric and the shooting of the abortion provider in kansas. the crazy people are enabled by the rhetoric. plenty act on their own, but plenty more act in the name of the group that enables them
plenty more are motivated to do what they sense everyone else wants done: they derive sustenance and support form the others who clearly want hate and violence expressed, they act as martyrs, they act as fall guys, but they do act in the name of a group and a cause, not completely on their own, when the larger group is clearly filled with violence and hate. don't absolve that violence and hate in certain movements from what crazy people do
they are the tip of the spear, they do not act alone, and you are a fool if you don't understand the hate-filled group and its rhetoric enables them
we LIVE longer today so we have more opportunities to catch cancer. additionally, soft tissue tumors are not preserved in fossils. you truly are a persisitent moron
i am a human. i have an affinity for other humans that rises above that of my affinity for other animals, which i also am
can you draw a venn diagram? its not two different circles, its a circle within a circle
you can say many different logical statements about the relationship between those two circles, but obviously, some of those logical statements can apply only within the smaller circle without any loss of coherence
i am a human. i have an affinity for other humans that rises above that of my affinity for other animals, which i also am
can you draw a venn diagram? its not two different circles, its a circle within a circle
and if we meet intelligent aliens, i am certain they will feel an affinity for others of their kind above and beyond that of less intelligent creatures on their home planet, just like us
i think you took that star trek movie where they go to 1980s san francisco WAY too seriously
you can talk about cruelty and you can talk about standards for how animals are to be interacted with, but when you start talking about animals having comparable rights as our treatment of our fellow human beings, you completely lose any logical coherence
go ahead and make vociferous passionate arguments about how animals should be treated. i welcome those arguments and support a lot of them. but don't completely ruin your argument by saying animals and humans are equivalent in any way. no, they simply aren't. i'm sorry, this is a matter of simple logical coherence. the rights we afford those of our fellow species due to our shared cognition is something above and beyond the rights we afford animals out of conscience, a HUMAN conscience
hey, genius: how are you going to take the cameras away from the state?
if you are going to fight the state, you need to know which fights to pick, you need to be smart. i am being smart by saying it is of no use to fight the state's use of cameras, you need to pick your battles wisely, and fight them on other fronts
in the end, we're on the same side, but i'm the only one with any brains, apparently
but good luck taking the cameras away from the state! you go dude!
but if you, or the government, believes it will be able to keep the lid on abuse in a world where every citizen has a camera, both you and the government are in for a nasty surprise
so it is GOOD cameras are everywhere, IN THE HANDS OF THE CITIZENS
how are the cops going to round up 10 cell phones from 10 different people in 10 different locations, most of whom aren't around by the time the cops even notice
you have some sort of strange faith in the ability of the state to keep the lid on things
if there is crime going on, its good it is being caught if before the drone it wouldn't be caught
i don't understand a mentality that says society is better when less crime is being punished
now if you mean by crime things which shouldn't be a crime, like smoking a joint or prostitution, i agree with you. and society is slowing changing in that regard: marijuana will soon be legal in the usa, and prostitution should be made legal, and many people will agitate for this positive change on our society
but never, ever will i believe that society is better when less behavior that is CLEARLY criminal is less caught and less prosecuted. a camera caught a guy smacking his girlfriend? send that asshole to jail. that's one less asshole on the street who will clearly smack more women if allowed to stay on the street
i see nothing wrong with better enforcement of laws, as long as those laws are clearly just. and if the law is not just, then WE CHANGE THE LAWS, we don't engage in less enforcement!
come across to me as paranoid. look: cameras in public spaces is just pretty much reality now, and you just need to deal with it, and accept it
i can hear the howls about orwell already
but its NOT ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT. its not about the power of the state. really, its not. if you took away every government camera in existence, there are still PRIVATE cameras everywhere, on every cellphone. in fact, the greatest use of cameras in public spaces is to FIGHT the government. ever hear of rodney king? if the police abuse you, PRIVATE cameras are right there, recording the abuse
in other words, cameras in public are a double edged sword, equally pointed against the power of the state as it is used to enforce the power of the state. in other words, if you think the idea of cameras in public spaces carries with it the only consequence of the growth of the power of the state, then this is a prejudicial assumption on your part and you are in fact clearly factually wrong
the issue is not the state, its not big brother, its simply THE MARCH OF TECHNOLOGY that you are fighting against, and its a fight you can't win
if you go in public, you probably will be recorded. you don't have to like that fact, but that's pretty much the facts of your existence now. so you are going to have to make peace with cameras in public and just get used it. welcome to reality, now deal with it, and stop wasting your effort on a fight you can't win
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if you preach violence and hate, you get it expressed
you reap what you sow
to absolve certain groups who have been violently expressing their distaste of government for an extended period of time from what is an obvious result of that rhetoric, represents a strange way to think about how the world and human nature works
yes, there are crazy people everywhere. but if you give the crazy person easy access to a gun, and yell at them crazy theories about how their own government is their mortal violent enemy, you get crazy people shooting at the government. its a pretty straightforward cause and effect
you can't absolve from guilt the demagogue who has been preaching violence and hate when violence and hate is expressed exactly as the demagogue's words intend
look at the violent anti-abortion rhetoric and the shooting of the abortion provider in kansas. the crazy people are enabled by the rhetoric. plenty act on their own, but plenty more act in the name of the group that enables them
plenty more are motivated to do what they sense everyone else wants done: they derive sustenance and support form the others who clearly want hate and violence expressed, they act as martyrs, they act as fall guys, but they do act in the name of a group and a cause, not completely on their own, when the larger group is clearly filled with violence and hate. don't absolve that violence and hate in certain movements from what crazy people do
they are the tip of the spear, they do not act alone, and you are a fool if you don't understand the hate-filled group and its rhetoric enables them
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-09-kansas-abortion-shooting_N.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343992/Pakistani-politician-Salman-Tasee-shot-dead-stance-blasphemy-laws.html
you preach hate, you get hate. you preach violence, you get violence
a certain unnamed political movement is reaping what it sows
hey, moron: READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE
we LIVE longer today so we have more opportunities to catch cancer. additionally, soft tissue tumors are not preserved in fossils. you truly are a persisitent moron
i am a human. i have an affinity for other humans that rises above that of my affinity for other animals, which i also am
can you draw a venn diagram? its not two different circles, its a circle within a circle
you can say many different logical statements about the relationship between those two circles, but obviously, some of those logical statements can apply only within the smaller circle without any loss of coherence
you fail at logic
i am a human. i have an affinity for other humans that rises above that of my affinity for other animals, which i also am
can you draw a venn diagram? its not two different circles, its a circle within a circle
and if we meet intelligent aliens, i am certain they will feel an affinity for others of their kind above and beyond that of less intelligent creatures on their home planet, just like us
i think you took that star trek movie where they go to 1980s san francisco WAY too seriously
i am a human. i have an affinity for other humans that rises above that of my affinity for other animals, which i also am
can you draw a venn diagram? its not two different circles, its a circle within a circle
it just isn't
you can talk about cruelty and you can talk about standards for how animals are to be interacted with, but when you start talking about animals having comparable rights as our treatment of our fellow human beings, you completely lose any logical coherence
go ahead and make vociferous passionate arguments about how animals should be treated. i welcome those arguments and support a lot of them. but don't completely ruin your argument by saying animals and humans are equivalent in any way. no, they simply aren't. i'm sorry, this is a matter of simple logical coherence. the rights we afford those of our fellow species due to our shared cognition is something above and beyond the rights we afford animals out of conscience, a HUMAN conscience
you can't take away the state's cameras. fact
you can still record the state's abuses with citizen's cameras regardless of legality and disseminate on the internet. fact
anything else i can help you with today?
hey, genius: how are you going to take the cameras away from the state?
if you are going to fight the state, you need to know which fights to pick, you need to be smart. i am being smart by saying it is of no use to fight the state's use of cameras, you need to pick your battles wisely, and fight them on other fronts
in the end, we're on the same side, but i'm the only one with any brains, apparently
but good luck taking the cameras away from the state! you go dude!
pffffft
i am saying that video can work against the state
i didn't say it was easy, especially when dealing with a government like the theocracy of iran
you seem to be saying there is no hope at all, the state wins, bend over and take it. which makes you a coward and an asshole
at least i'm still fighting. you seem to be accepting the lamest thing you can possibly accept
no, in a world of insane draconian laws, more enforcement leads to more outrage, which leads to less insane less draconian laws
you want all laws enforced as much as possible. any laws that are unjust will therefore be ridiculed and howled at until they are overturned
but less enforcement of any laws allows really bad laws to just stay and fester and be applied at the discretion of corrupt cops
well yeah, the iranian hard liners squashed the popular revolution, for now
but what are you trying to say here? the state always wins?
that is unjust, and should be stopped
but if you, or the government, believes it will be able to keep the lid on abuse in a world where every citizen has a camera, both you and the government are in for a nasty surprise
so it is GOOD cameras are everywhere, IN THE HANDS OF THE CITIZENS
no, this merely means the speed laws are unjust and need to be more sane. did you actually read what i wrote?
how are the cops going to round up 10 cell phones from 10 different people in 10 different locations, most of whom aren't around by the time the cops even notice
you have some sort of strange faith in the ability of the state to keep the lid on things
than that is abusive law which should clearly be overturned
nevermind the fact that even in severely draconian societies, video will find a way out and work against the state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan
anything that leads to better enforcement of laws is good
anything that leads to more sane laws is good
but in no world is less enforcement of laws a good thing
if there is crime going on, its good it is being caught if before the drone it wouldn't be caught
i don't understand a mentality that says society is better when less crime is being punished
now if you mean by crime things which shouldn't be a crime, like smoking a joint or prostitution, i agree with you. and society is slowing changing in that regard: marijuana will soon be legal in the usa, and prostitution should be made legal, and many people will agitate for this positive change on our society
but never, ever will i believe that society is better when less behavior that is CLEARLY criminal is less caught and less prosecuted. a camera caught a guy smacking his girlfriend? send that asshole to jail. that's one less asshole on the street who will clearly smack more women if allowed to stay on the street
i see nothing wrong with better enforcement of laws, as long as those laws are clearly just. and if the law is not just, then WE CHANGE THE LAWS, we don't engage in less enforcement!
pick ten random people on the street
most will have cell phones
most of those cell phones will have cameras
in fact, most will be turned on, pointed at the police, should they see the police do something abusive
and that video will be on youtube 10 minutes later, and on the evening news by the 6 pm broadcast
that's reality
now wake up
come across to me as paranoid. look: cameras in public spaces is just pretty much reality now, and you just need to deal with it, and accept it
i can hear the howls about orwell already
but its NOT ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT. its not about the power of the state. really, its not. if you took away every government camera in existence, there are still PRIVATE cameras everywhere, on every cellphone. in fact, the greatest use of cameras in public spaces is to FIGHT the government. ever hear of rodney king? if the police abuse you, PRIVATE cameras are right there, recording the abuse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan
in other words, cameras in public are a double edged sword, equally pointed against the power of the state as it is used to enforce the power of the state. in other words, if you think the idea of cameras in public spaces carries with it the only consequence of the growth of the power of the state, then this is a prejudicial assumption on your part and you are in fact clearly factually wrong
the issue is not the state, its not big brother, its simply THE MARCH OF TECHNOLOGY that you are fighting against, and its a fight you can't win
if you go in public, you probably will be recorded. you don't have to like that fact, but that's pretty much the facts of your existence now. so you are going to have to make peace with cameras in public and just get used it. welcome to reality, now deal with it, and stop wasting your effort on a fight you can't win
the game is over, the subject is closed. move on
thank you for changing the subject, from paleopathology to ancient egypt
read this einstein:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/28/health/28cancer.html?pagewanted=all
then open your ignorant mouth
oh right
because lymphoma leaves tell tale fossils
as well as colon cancer
and prostate cancer
and bresst cancer
and ANY SOFT TISSUE CANCER
you're an idiot
oh yeah, there's just that massive increase in cancer rates
what's the problem with a huge dent in our mortality, a big jump down in our life expectancy?
nothing to worry about with a massive increase in ambient radiation, nah...
no, i don't like getting irradiated by the cosmic radiation, thank you very much
we'll all be living in cement bunkers with no windows, eating mutant irradiated food farmed by farmers in radiation suits
and in geological time, a rapid N-S reorientation will still take what, decades?
and such a shift is still decades away, even if it starts accelerating dramatically, i think... gulp
everyone has lies they tell themselves to get up in the morning
because you are blind to your own lies only tells us nothing baout reality, but a lot about yourself. perhaps the lie you tell yourself is a biggie