however, gmail hands me their code every time i open it in the browser
i can look at that code, understand it, and pretty much copy it in and bits and pieces and rewrite some methods in my own style, rename functions, variables, move stuff around, change the order of lines, compress some functionality, make other functionality more sparse, abstract this functionality here, reimagine this functionality there, etc., etc.
yes, it would be quite a bit of work, but easily one tenth the amount of time to recreate gmail functionality from scratch
in other words, if you screw around with the code enough to the point where google could come after me and say i am using their code, but the code is different enough that the challenge would never stand in court, then all javascript code is quasi-open source by default. yes, it would be nicer to just take gmail and fork it or extend it as is, but i'm just making an important point i think that is javascript is de facto open source no matter what the legalese says
in a javascript world, a world where you hand someone your source code all the time, code is always free, as in speech, and as in beer, regardless of what anyone says legally
someone can say it is not free, but since, with javascript, they are essentially handing you the code, you can take it and modify it and do whatever you want with it
yes, i understand what stallman is saying philosphically, and javascript can be obfuscated, but there is a fundamental difference between interpretted and compiled code, and i don't see javascript as that hard to deobfuscated and do as you wish with it. modify something you find heavily enough, and who is to say they own that and you can't use that?
what you have to worry about is google chrome or windows ie suddenly saying "with our latest browser, we are implementing ecmascript shiny plus plus (trademark, copyright), which will allow us to serve you compiled code, which will make your browsing experience more fantastical and delicious!"
then we have a serious sliver against free software
the cost of setting up a new system is higher than the cost of paying for all of exploits
for the companies that is. for the individuals, your credit is destroyed, you have to spend hours cleaning up the mess, etc.
unfortunately, not enough have been victimized to make much of a ruckus. nor have the exploits been of the scale (yet) that really cost the providers dearly
but that day will come. then we will get a more secure payment system
the consumer is ignorant. the providers are content. and the tsunami is over the horizon
some huge exploit will happen in the future. and only then things will change. classic human nature: put off and ignore the inevitable because you don't want to deal with it until it is too late
the obama administration is attempting to be transparent. this is hard. it involves complicated financial arrangements. such that is very easy to poke holes in how complicated arrangements are attempted to be communicated in simple ways. its frankly impossible without finding someone somewhere who complains. the only way to be accurate, is to regurgitate all the fine detail, which if course, would also be criticized as being too complicated
in other words, you can't win
meanwhile, BEFORE the obama administration, there was not any attempt to be transparent at all. so the obama administration, rather than being lauded for trying to do something hard and asked for by the public, is portrayed in negative ways by partisan hacks because it falls short of the ideal
hey, rather than kick them because you hold them to high standards, why don't you congratulate them and thank them for making such dramatic progress over all previous administrations?
as time gtoes on, if obvious and straightforward progress is not met, then jump all over their case. meanwhile, what is it, march 2009? two months time?
thank you obbama administration, and good job. ignore the usual unsatisfiable cranks
has a mismatched certificate. something like www.ourdomain.com not matching subdomain.ourdomain.com
i don't know enough about SSL and certs to tell you that subdomain, as opposed to domain, mismatches are exploitable. but i know in my particular instance, its just laziness on my company's part, and it smells like someone just dropped the ball on a configuration at capitalone
i know in my company's case i complain about it, but nothing ever gets done about it (until we get exploited i bet)
those who profess the highest of religious purity, according to whatever arbitrary standards, and pass judgment on others, according to their psychological poverty, are often the biggest hypocrites you find in this world
with another fawning circle jerk of love for google
hey cmdrtaco: with the amount of free pr you give google, you might as well hit them up for some stock, or some google investment in the linux conglomerate that owns you. you want google to buy you out?
google is no different than microsoft in my eyes
now where's my -1 troll for not towing the party line around here?
1. the idea is that the government crackdown is officially on pornography, but then they also crackdown on sites not related to pornography
2. you can make a clearly logical delineation between simple social concepts that have been around for ages, like drugs and prostitution, and broader ideological trends and ideas where the word "ideology" is more appropriate
and, generally speaking, a child understands nothing of social contexts. its the lack of an ability to place what they see and hear in the proper reference of the world they live in that makes the material unacceptable. their mind can't process the material in a way an adult can, because they don't understand what an adult understands about the conditions that makes the material acceptable or tolerable. their experience of the world is too green and unexperienced to process certain violence or sexuality they might find in the proper way
meanwhile, your average adult understands (hopefully) enough about their world to understand the various contexts in which the creation and consumption of some ultraviolent and ultrasexual content is acceptable. in fact, its a pretty good definition of maturity itself: the ability to process sex and violence properly, responsibly, and appropriately. meanwhile, your position seems to assert that cognitive and social maturity is unattainable. therefore you fail to make a valid point, because it is attainable
but there is something wrong with censoring everything
this is why "please think of the children!" as an excuse to limit all media consumption everywhere is bullshit
but that doesn't mean, at all, that videogames, or movies, or anything else that might have content that is very violent or sexual, shouldn't be limited when used with children
you can say the kids will get it anyway, you can say that what someone else might find objectionable for their kids you don't find objectionable for yours, you can say this job is entirely the job of only the parents
all of this is true
but the problem is that there are some people out there who think censorship of material when it comes to children is just as bad as censorship, period. no, totally wrong. when it comes to children, censorship of material is ENTIRELY coherent, valid, appropriate
if you don't understand why this is true, why society and/ or the parent must protect children from material they are not mature enouugh to understand in its proper context, then it is possible you are a child yourself
meanwhile, i am discussing the realities of stem cell therapy from an understanding of the daunting challenges
if you explain vaccination to me, and i've never seen it before, i would accept it, because you've just explained it to me in a coherent fashino that makes it plausible
so prove to me wrong: in the same shorthand you would explain to someone vaccination who doesn't understand vaccination, please explain to me:
1. how to get stem cells exactly where they are needed on a cellular level 2. how to tell a stem cell to stop growing 3. how to tell a stem cell to turn into the exact cell you want 4. how to get the stem cell interacting with cellular neighbors who have gotten used to not interacting anymore
i am not saying it is impossible. i am not just some wet blanket out to destroy people's hope. all i am simply telling you is that it is incredibly difficult. you are the one is telling me, out of ignorance, that its going easy and any day now
a murderer isn't as bad as an adulterer, because the murderer would never cheat on his wife
the guy invaded a country on false pretenses for crying out loud
and i especially like how you label me as an anti-american american, simply because i detest bush
as if bush represents true america, as if rejecting bush means i am rejecting america
how exatly does that work in your mind? that because i reject what bush did, this means i am against my country?
why in your mind does what bush did=the only valid representation of the usa?
in truth, bush is a defiling of the america i know, and the only truly unamerican people are people who expect blind obedience to some ashole who wasn't even elected with the popular vote in the first place, and just because i quesiton the legitimacy of that asshole, that means i am... unamerican? really?
blind unquestioning obedience is the american way? is that your argument
do you know how many REAL americans died fighting exactly this kind of douchebag thinking?
you don't put stem cells in your brain and they magically decide to become the exact cells you need in exactly the right places growing at exactly the right rate
you put stem cells in your brain, and you've just given yourself brain cancer
there is a lot more work to be done to control stem cells. stem cells have the POTENTIAL to become the right cells in the right context. but getting them to behave is a HUGE undertaking, and should fill you with caution, not ignorant optimism
your entire development from fetus to teenager has momentum behind it, and launches you into the prime of your life. you stay up there in your 20s, at top shape, with little change over time. after which you begin a gradual fall, imperceptible at first, but it accelerates, until you are standing there wondering why your car keys are in the refridgerator, and then soon after in a pine box
experimental stem cell therapies will just give you cancer
unfortunately, futurology is about extrapolating too many variables. such that rocket cars, or fusion based power: its perpetually 20 years away from now
not that we won't ever have actual fusion power someday. just that the game of saying its 20 years away or 100 years away is mostly bullshit. no one knows, so don't depend on it
Slashdot Mirror
please note the subject matter of stallman's article
now please note:
"What other people choose to do with their own websites is none of your fucking business."
reach into the great depths of your vast intellect and see if you see some sort conflict there
good luck kid, i have faith in you to figure out who the real idiot is here
xoxoxoxoxoxoxox
however, gmail hands me their code every time i open it in the browser
i can look at that code, understand it, and pretty much copy it in and bits and pieces and rewrite some methods in my own style, rename functions, variables, move stuff around, change the order of lines, compress some functionality, make other functionality more sparse, abstract this functionality here, reimagine this functionality there, etc., etc.
yes, it would be quite a bit of work, but easily one tenth the amount of time to recreate gmail functionality from scratch
in other words, if you screw around with the code enough to the point where google could come after me and say i am using their code, but the code is different enough that the challenge would never stand in court, then all javascript code is quasi-open source by default. yes, it would be nicer to just take gmail and fork it or extend it as is, but i'm just making an important point i think that is javascript is de facto open source no matter what the legalese says
in a javascript world, a world where you hand someone your source code all the time, code is always free, as in speech, and as in beer, regardless of what anyone says legally
someone can say it is not free, but since, with javascript, they are essentially handing you the code, you can take it and modify it and do whatever you want with it
yes, i understand what stallman is saying philosphically, and javascript can be obfuscated, but there is a fundamental difference between interpretted and compiled code, and i don't see javascript as that hard to deobfuscated and do as you wish with it. modify something you find heavily enough, and who is to say they own that and you can't use that?
what you have to worry about is google chrome or windows ie suddenly saying "with our latest browser, we are implementing ecmascript shiny plus plus (trademark, copyright), which will allow us to serve you compiled code, which will make your browsing experience more fantastical and delicious!"
then we have a serious sliver against free software
the cost of setting up a new system is higher than the cost of paying for all of exploits
for the companies that is. for the individuals, your credit is destroyed, you have to spend hours cleaning up the mess, etc.
unfortunately, not enough have been victimized to make much of a ruckus. nor have the exploits been of the scale (yet) that really cost the providers dearly
but that day will come. then we will get a more secure payment system
the consumer is ignorant. the providers are content. and the tsunami is over the horizon
some huge exploit will happen in the future. and only then things will change. classic human nature: put off and ignore the inevitable because you don't want to deal with it until it is too late
china,
iran
welcome to the club, blokes
i guess australia is angling to be the bush administration era america for this time period
pffffft
the obama administration is attempting to be transparent. this is hard. it involves complicated financial arrangements. such that is very easy to poke holes in how complicated arrangements are attempted to be communicated in simple ways. its frankly impossible without finding someone somewhere who complains. the only way to be accurate, is to regurgitate all the fine detail, which if course, would also be criticized as being too complicated
in other words, you can't win
meanwhile, BEFORE the obama administration, there was not any attempt to be transparent at all. so the obama administration, rather than being lauded for trying to do something hard and asked for by the public, is portrayed in negative ways by partisan hacks because it falls short of the ideal
hey, rather than kick them because you hold them to high standards, why don't you congratulate them and thank them for making such dramatic progress over all previous administrations?
as time gtoes on, if obvious and straightforward progress is not met, then jump all over their case. meanwhile, what is it, march 2009? two months time?
thank you obbama administration, and good job. ignore the usual unsatisfiable cranks
well, there's your problem right there
was it the retro arcade game commercial that suckered you in?
admittedly, they nailed the music on that one perfectly
has a mismatched certificate. something like www.ourdomain.com not matching subdomain.ourdomain.com
i don't know enough about SSL and certs to tell you that subdomain, as opposed to domain, mismatches are exploitable. but i know in my particular instance, its just laziness on my company's part, and it smells like someone just dropped the ball on a configuration at capitalone
i know in my company's case i complain about it, but nothing ever gets done about it (until we get exploited i bet)
its called hypocrisy
those who profess the highest of religious purity, according to whatever arbitrary standards, and pass judgment on others, according to their psychological poverty, are often the biggest hypocrites you find in this world
with another fawning circle jerk of love for google
hey cmdrtaco: with the amount of free pr you give google, you might as well hit them up for some stock, or some google investment in the linux conglomerate that owns you. you want google to buy you out?
google is no different than microsoft in my eyes
now where's my -1 troll for not towing the party line around here?
1. the idea is that the government crackdown is officially on pornography, but then they also crackdown on sites not related to pornography
2. you can make a clearly logical delineation between simple social concepts that have been around for ages, like drugs and prostitution, and broader ideological trends and ideas where the word "ideology" is more appropriate
who are more mature than some 40 year olds
but all we can do is apply general rules
and, generally speaking, a child understands nothing of social contexts. its the lack of an ability to place what they see and hear in the proper reference of the world they live in that makes the material unacceptable. their mind can't process the material in a way an adult can, because they don't understand what an adult understands about the conditions that makes the material acceptable or tolerable. their experience of the world is too green and unexperienced to process certain violence or sexuality they might find in the proper way
meanwhile, your average adult understands (hopefully) enough about their world to understand the various contexts in which the creation and consumption of some ultraviolent and ultrasexual content is acceptable. in fact, its a pretty good definition of maturity itself: the ability to process sex and violence properly, responsibly, and appropriately. meanwhile, your position seems to assert that cognitive and social maturity is unattainable. therefore you fail to make a valid point, because it is attainable
now you are talking from understanding, rather than ignorant optimism
i want 10 cthulhu jokes moderated +5 funny, now
i'll be back in 3 hours, don't let me down
the chewbacca defense works in all situations, except in relation to chewbacca himself
unless you call chewbacca a nazi, in which case, chewbacca can use the chewbacca defense successfully
the chewbacca defense outranks godwin's law. but godwins law outranks everything else
so you are saying they should retrain for a job in astronomy?
i don't even want to begin to think about LIFO in a sexual context
but there is something wrong with censoring everything
this is why "please think of the children!" as an excuse to limit all media consumption everywhere is bullshit
but that doesn't mean, at all, that videogames, or movies, or anything else that might have content that is very violent or sexual, shouldn't be limited when used with children
you can say the kids will get it anyway, you can say that what someone else might find objectionable for their kids you don't find objectionable for yours, you can say this job is entirely the job of only the parents
all of this is true
but the problem is that there are some people out there who think censorship of material when it comes to children is just as bad as censorship, period. no, totally wrong. when it comes to children, censorship of material is ENTIRELY coherent, valid, appropriate
if you don't understand why this is true, why society and/ or the parent must protect children from material they are not mature enouugh to understand in its proper context, then it is possible you are a child yourself
meanwhile, i am discussing the realities of stem cell therapy from an understanding of the daunting challenges
if you explain vaccination to me, and i've never seen it before, i would accept it, because you've just explained it to me in a coherent fashino that makes it plausible
so prove to me wrong: in the same shorthand you would explain to someone vaccination who doesn't understand vaccination, please explain to me:
1. how to get stem cells exactly where they are needed on a cellular level
2. how to tell a stem cell to stop growing
3. how to tell a stem cell to turn into the exact cell you want
4. how to get the stem cell interacting with cellular neighbors who have gotten used to not interacting anymore
i am not saying it is impossible. i am not just some wet blanket out to destroy people's hope. all i am simply telling you is that it is incredibly difficult. you are the one is telling me, out of ignorance, that its going easy and any day now
a murderer isn't as bad as an adulterer, because the murderer would never cheat on his wife
the guy invaded a country on false pretenses for crying out loud
and i especially like how you label me as an anti-american american, simply because i detest bush
as if bush represents true america, as if rejecting bush means i am rejecting america
how exatly does that work in your mind? that because i reject what bush did, this means i am against my country?
why in your mind does what bush did=the only valid representation of the usa?
in truth, bush is a defiling of the america i know, and the only truly unamerican people are people who expect blind obedience to some ashole who wasn't even elected with the popular vote in the first place, and just because i quesiton the legitimacy of that asshole, that means i am... unamerican? really?
blind unquestioning obedience is the american way? is that your argument
do you know how many REAL americans died fighting exactly this kind of douchebag thinking?
someone in australia obviously does want this shit
someone with power and support
you don't put stem cells in your brain and they magically decide to become the exact cells you need in exactly the right places growing at exactly the right rate
you put stem cells in your brain, and you've just given yourself brain cancer
there is a lot more work to be done to control stem cells. stem cells have the POTENTIAL to become the right cells in the right context. but getting them to behave is a HUGE undertaking, and should fill you with caution, not ignorant optimism
your entire development from fetus to teenager has momentum behind it, and launches you into the prime of your life. you stay up there in your 20s, at top shape, with little change over time. after which you begin a gradual fall, imperceptible at first, but it accelerates, until you are standing there wondering why your car keys are in the refridgerator, and then soon after in a pine box
experimental stem cell therapies will just give you cancer
unfortunately, futurology is about extrapolating too many variables. such that rocket cars, or fusion based power: its perpetually 20 years away from now
not that we won't ever have actual fusion power someday. just that the game of saying its 20 years away or 100 years away is mostly bullshit. no one knows, so don't depend on it
your average 70 year old has a foot long dick, and works in the pornography business
don't tell me that's not true! i need some sort of hope to cling to!