the defensive uses of firearms which is over 3,000,000.
LOL
where does that number come from? thought experiments about thugs contemplating robbing someone who might have a gun? do you know what "evidence" is?
how do europeans avoid sky high rape and robbery rapes without guns (they have sky high rape and robbery rates compared to us because they don't have easy guns. right? right?)? jedi mind control?
"life as we know" is only life on earth. that's a sample size of one. not a useful guide for the kinds of life that might exist or that we should expect is out there
imagine a life and civilization evolving, looking out at their immediate galactic neighborhood, becoming aware that this weird night sky shape that their ancient ancestors worshiped is a supermassive black hole... and then growing an awareness of what that means for their future
it's because there are a lot of hammers in the usa?
the country with the sky high gun ownership rate is the country with the sky high homicide rate
no connection whatsoever
hurrr durrr
you even admit it in your propaganda addled inaccurate lies, and then think it makes sense: "well half..."
half you say? LOL. that doesn't matter apparently?
it's like some sort of demented quasireligion: "easy gun ownership makes us safer, ignore all fucking obvious evidence and simple logic and reason to the contrary to that moronic belief"
it was an example. extend "burglary" to every other crime. including violent crime
in the uk they actually have a slightly higher rate of violence. which would be WONDERFUL to have in the usa. why? because what we have is a much much higher homicide rate
because morons in the us believe every fucking disagreement has to become a life or death situation
why do you believe a body bag is better than a broken nose or a broken arm? why do you believe you are not going to be the one in the body bag in a country with easy guns, so perps have them to? why do you believe the perp, the one with the element of surprise, isn't going to tend to win in moronic exchanges of gunfire over retarded problems? why do you believe being dead is better than being beat up, robbed, or raped? why do you believe your gun is going to protect you when the guy with the element of surprise is already pointing a gun at you, because you believe guns should be easy to get?
you are telling me that because of easy guns, the usa will have far lower burglary rates. right? if a country in europe has no guns, burglars have no fear, and rob as they please, correct? so burglary rates should be sky high in europe, right?
and because americans are heavily armed, burglars are afraid, and don't rob, right? so burglary rates should be very low in the usa, befitting the deterrence of high gun ownership, correct?
wait... i don't get it. where is the magic protection?
maybe guns don't protect us at all. maybe easy guns means burglars have guns too. and since perps always have the element of surprise, what protection do good gun owners really have?
so if burglars have guns... and people are heavily armed... what do we REALLY get with so many easy guns?
this is what easy guns in the usa gets us: tons of death. not just perps! because apparently morons like yourself think it is better to be dead than robbed. because that's all owning a gun does: escalate a situation like robbed/ not robbed, to dead/ not dead
why do you fucking morons think it is better to be dead than robbed? you own a gun, you escalate the situation to life and death. you are not guaranteed to be on the winning side of that exchange. own a gun, increase chance of death to you and your loved ones. that's it
what other comments? if you actually wrote something in another thread on this topic: thank you!
but i don't even fucking look at the username: I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PERSONALITY. i respond to the topic, and in this thread you seem to be desperate for a date. i'm not gay, so fuck off, and i will gladly see you in another thread that actually fucking matters, asshole
but don't expect me to fucking notice or even care about who i am responding to. so don't keep tabs. i don't care about you. really. sorry!
he articulated a clear desire to do harm over a sustained period of time
if the fbi wasn't around, he'd do it on his own or hook up with a malicious crew
are you saying he was weak willed and would not have gone through with it without fbi prodding?
how much willpower exactly does it take to drive a van with gasoline and fertilizer and throw a match?
you have this bizarre notion of malicious intent, as if it wouldn't exist without the fbi around. that's stupid
if timothy mcveigh was put in sting by the fbi, morons like you would be crying entrapment, that a weak willed fool like mcveigh wouldn't have done anything without the fbi involved
you don't even understand entrapment, and you have this insane notion malice only exists with government involvement, and you think you have to be a steel willed criminal mastermind to do harm
he articulated a clear intent over a sustained period of time
if the fbi wasn't around, he'd figure out how to buy fertilizer and gasoline, or hook up with a malicious crew
your argument is he has no sustained willpower and would have backed out? how do you know that? why are you projecting such assumptions? and even if he had weak willpower, how much willpower exactly does it take to drive a van with fertilizer and gasoline and throw a match?
the man did not back out or back down. he wanted to mass murder. his own original organic desire
what is like shooting fish in barrel? you getting a response from me? so there is nothing genuine about your words, your effort? you're just trolling? so, what have you won? what do you think you have proven exactly?
mcveigh would have been stinged like this kansas douchebag, and all those people in oklahoma city would not have died
and morons like yourself who don't understand what entrapement is would be complaining about mcveighs weak executive function and that mcveigh was entrapped
as if being a criminal mastermind is a prerequisite to mass murder
or is it about an inappropriate need to have a personal interaction?
i'm sorry for whatever personal problems you have that drives you to seek personal interaction on fucking slashdot of all places. you obviously need a friend, badly. i don't fucking care about you, so stop interacting with me personally... understand how it works now?
you do not fucking understand the concept of entrapment. stop talking about a concept you do not understand
sting: cops leave a car with the keys in the ignition where a suspected car thief walks every day. he steals the car. he's arrested, validly, for theft
entrapment: cop walks up to suspected thief: "here's the keys to that car, it's yours to take." he takes the car. he's arrest- invalidly. he should not go to jail and he should sue the police for entrapment
it's about *intent*. if you form the intent to do something malicious on your own, you are not entrapped. you are a criminal
please try to understand the fucking topic before injecting yourself into it
for a second time now: i'm not important here. i'm not the topic here. your need to fixate on me tells us about your problems, but it does not tell us about the would be-bomber in kansas
what this place slashdot is is called is a discussion forum. people post a topic, then people discuss the topic. the people posting here want to talk about that. they don't discuss each other, because that's not interesting nor important. it's not a dating site. i'm not your friend. deal with your social fixation problems elsewhere
now, for a second time: do you have something to say about the actual topic, rather than your pathetic need to make things personal?
1. if they didn't give him dummy material, he would have figured out how to buy gasoline and fertilizer, or he would have hooked up with a genuinely malicious crew
2. he didn't look at the dummy material and play paddy cake with it or discard it or give it away. he tried to use it to cause harm. that was clear, sustained intent
do you know what intent is?
it's obvious you don't know what entrapment is
if you don't understand the concepts involved, do not comment on a topic you don't understand
he expressed a sincere, clear, sustained desire to mass murder, then went through the motions to do exactly that, only neutralized by fbi providing him with dummy equipment
if the fbi wasn't around, he would have figured out how to buy gasoline or fertilizer on his own, or he would have hooked up with a genuinely malicious crew
intent, do you what that is? do you know what that means in terms of morality and law?
if you INTEND to do harm, stopping you from following through on your intent is doing good in the world, and removing you from society for being a murderous asshole is doing good in the world
it's not entrapment. it does not fit the definition of the concept, which you don't seem to understand
it's neutralization of dangerous assholes before they cause great harm
understand intent. understand entrapment. then comment on this topic. you don't seem to have the moral or social faculties to comment intelligently at this time, as you don't seem to understand the concepts involved
you're saying the guy lacks conviction. even if he did (you don't know he lacks conviction), he's still dangerous
there's plenty of rootless airheads out there who know simple right and wrong and have no desire to hurt people. you can't place this guy in the same category as them
the guy clearly articulates a desire to harm others in a vile way and then proceeds to go about making that possible on his terms over a sustained period of time
therefore, he is a serious danger who should not be in general society. he has more than proved a clear and sustained intent to cause harm
the fbi is merely saturating the market for wannabe terrorists, which is a perfect strategy
this is also how they shut down murder-for-hire plots: they simply answer all ads for hitmen. this is what we WANT the FBI to do
you think that if the FBI didn't saturate the market for murderous morons malicious people wouldn't exist? wouldn't go through with their plans? what a fucking stupid idea. ever hear of timothy mcveigh?
entrapment is getting you to do something you would not have otherwise done
if the guy expresses his desire to bomb, and proceeds to go through with it, all of his own choice, he's not entrapped
the involvement of the fbi is manipulating all of his material to be harmless, and allowing him to proceed. they are not telling him what to do, he's choosing to do it
they let him go forward so they can see if he is an isolated wackjob or if there are conspirators. it also means they get to stick him with serious charges rather than a slap on the wrist
or would you prefer a guy who fervently desires to bomb people to be out there?
there is no entrapment here. none. zero. you simply do not understand the concept
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the defensive uses of firearms which is over 3,000,000.
LOL
where does that number come from? thought experiments about thugs contemplating robbing someone who might have a gun? do you know what "evidence" is?
how do europeans avoid sky high rape and robbery rapes without guns (they have sky high rape and robbery rates compared to us because they don't have easy guns. right? right?)? jedi mind control?
you are truly low iq and delusional
"life as we know" is only life on earth. that's a sample size of one. not a useful guide for the kinds of life that might exist or that we should expect is out there
imagine a life and civilization evolving, looking out at their immediate galactic neighborhood, becoming aware that this weird night sky shape that their ancient ancestors worshiped is a supermassive black hole... and then growing an awareness of what that means for their future
how depressing
explain this you lying delusional moron:
http://www.conferenceboard.ca/...
it's because there are a lot of hammers in the usa?
the country with the sky high gun ownership rate is the country with the sky high homicide rate
no connection whatsoever
hurrr durrr
you even admit it in your propaganda addled inaccurate lies, and then think it makes sense: "well half..."
half you say? LOL. that doesn't matter apparently?
it's like some sort of demented quasireligion: "easy gun ownership makes us safer, ignore all fucking obvious evidence and simple logic and reason to the contrary to that moronic belief"
it was an example. extend "burglary" to every other crime. including violent crime
in the uk they actually have a slightly higher rate of violence. which would be WONDERFUL to have in the usa. why? because what we have is a much much higher homicide rate
because morons in the us believe every fucking disagreement has to become a life or death situation
why do you believe a body bag is better than a broken nose or a broken arm? why do you believe you are not going to be the one in the body bag in a country with easy guns, so perps have them to? why do you believe the perp, the one with the element of surprise, isn't going to tend to win in moronic exchanges of gunfire over retarded problems? why do you believe being dead is better than being beat up, robbed, or raped? why do you believe your gun is going to protect you when the guy with the element of surprise is already pointing a gun at you, because you believe guns should be easy to get?
you are telling me that because of easy guns, the usa will have far lower burglary rates. right? if a country in europe has no guns, burglars have no fear, and rob as they please, correct? so burglary rates should be sky high in europe, right?
and because americans are heavily armed, burglars are afraid, and don't rob, right? so burglary rates should be very low in the usa, befitting the deterrence of high gun ownership, correct?
do i understand the moronic propaganda properly?
reality:
http://www.conferenceboard.ca/...
wait... i don't get it. where is the magic protection?
maybe guns don't protect us at all. maybe easy guns means burglars have guns too. and since perps always have the element of surprise, what protection do good gun owners really have?
so if burglars have guns... and people are heavily armed... what do we REALLY get with so many easy guns?
http://www.conferenceboard.ca/...
this is what easy guns in the usa gets us: tons of death. not just perps! because apparently morons like yourself think it is better to be dead than robbed. because that's all owning a gun does: escalate a situation like robbed/ not robbed, to dead/ not dead
why do you fucking morons think it is better to be dead than robbed? you own a gun, you escalate the situation to life and death. you are not guaranteed to be on the winning side of that exchange. own a gun, increase chance of death to you and your loved ones. that's it
welcome to reality, moron
what other comments? if you actually wrote something in another thread on this topic: thank you!
but i don't even fucking look at the username: I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PERSONALITY. i respond to the topic, and in this thread you seem to be desperate for a date. i'm not gay, so fuck off, and i will gladly see you in another thread that actually fucking matters, asshole
but don't expect me to fucking notice or even care about who i am responding to. so don't keep tabs. i don't care about you. really. sorry!
he articulated a clear desire to do harm over a sustained period of time
if the fbi wasn't around, he'd do it on his own or hook up with a malicious crew
are you saying he was weak willed and would not have gone through with it without fbi prodding?
how much willpower exactly does it take to drive a van with gasoline and fertilizer and throw a match?
you have this bizarre notion of malicious intent, as if it wouldn't exist without the fbi around. that's stupid
if timothy mcveigh was put in sting by the fbi, morons like you would be crying entrapment, that a weak willed fool like mcveigh wouldn't have done anything without the fbi involved
you don't even understand entrapment, and you have this insane notion malice only exists with government involvement, and you think you have to be a steel willed criminal mastermind to do harm
he articulated a clear intent over a sustained period of time
if the fbi wasn't around, he'd figure out how to buy fertilizer and gasoline, or hook up with a malicious crew
your argument is he has no sustained willpower and would have backed out? how do you know that? why are you projecting such assumptions? and even if he had weak willpower, how much willpower exactly does it take to drive a van with fertilizer and gasoline and throw a match?
the man did not back out or back down. he wanted to mass murder. his own original organic desire
what is like shooting fish in barrel? you getting a response from me? so there is nothing genuine about your words, your effort? you're just trolling? so, what have you won? what do you think you have proven exactly?
he wasn't pushed
he clearly articulated an intent over a sustained period of time of his own organic desire
how can you call yourself a moral person and not understand the concept of intent?
yes, he is mentally weak
and?
are you saying you have to be an iron willed genius to mass murder?
*intent*, clearly formed and sustained, is all that is needed, and this kansas douchebag clearly qualifies
you really think it takes intellect and force of will to buy fertilizer and gasoline in a van?
intent, not iq, is the criminal notion here
being a criminal mastermind is not a requirement for mass murder. it does not take genius to buy gasoline and fertilizer in a van
only malicious *intent* matters, which was clearly formed and sustained by this douchebag in kansas
mcveigh would have been stinged like this kansas douchebag, and all those people in oklahoma city would not have died
and morons like yourself who don't understand what entrapement is would be complaining about mcveighs weak executive function and that mcveigh was entrapped
as if being a criminal mastermind is a prerequisite to mass murder
is your post about the would be bomber in kansas?
or is it about an inappropriate need to have a personal interaction?
i'm sorry for whatever personal problems you have that drives you to seek personal interaction on fucking slashdot of all places. you obviously need a friend, badly. i don't fucking care about you, so stop interacting with me personally... understand how it works now?
you do not fucking understand the concept of entrapment. stop talking about a concept you do not understand
sting: cops leave a car with the keys in the ignition where a suspected car thief walks every day. he steals the car. he's arrested, validly, for theft
entrapment: cop walks up to suspected thief: "here's the keys to that car, it's yours to take." he takes the car. he's arrest- invalidly. he should not go to jail and he should sue the police for entrapment
it's about *intent*. if you form the intent to do something malicious on your own, you are not entrapped. you are a criminal
please try to understand the fucking topic before injecting yourself into it
for a second time now: i'm not important here. i'm not the topic here. your need to fixate on me tells us about your problems, but it does not tell us about the would be-bomber in kansas
what this place slashdot is is called is a discussion forum. people post a topic, then people discuss the topic. the people posting here want to talk about that. they don't discuss each other, because that's not interesting nor important. it's not a dating site. i'm not your friend. deal with your social fixation problems elsewhere
now, for a second time: do you have something to say about the actual topic, rather than your pathetic need to make things personal?
good luck with your social development
they gave him dummy material
1. if they didn't give him dummy material, he would have figured out how to buy gasoline and fertilizer, or he would have hooked up with a genuinely malicious crew
2. he didn't look at the dummy material and play paddy cake with it or discard it or give it away. he tried to use it to cause harm. that was clear, sustained intent
do you know what intent is?
it's obvious you don't know what entrapment is
if you don't understand the concepts involved, do not comment on a topic you don't understand
he expressed a sincere, clear, sustained desire to mass murder, then went through the motions to do exactly that, only neutralized by fbi providing him with dummy equipment
if the fbi wasn't around, he would have figured out how to buy gasoline or fertilizer on his own, or he would have hooked up with a genuinely malicious crew
intent, do you what that is? do you know what that means in terms of morality and law?
if you INTEND to do harm, stopping you from following through on your intent is doing good in the world, and removing you from society for being a murderous asshole is doing good in the world
it's not entrapment. it does not fit the definition of the concept, which you don't seem to understand
it's neutralization of dangerous assholes before they cause great harm
understand intent. understand entrapment. then comment on this topic. you don't seem to have the moral or social faculties to comment intelligently at this time, as you don't seem to understand the concepts involved
do you have something to say on the topic or are fixated on internet personalities due to a personality disorder?
i don't matter. the topic does
say something about the topic or shut the fuck up
because no one knows how to buy fertilizer and gasoline?
did the guy back out, back down?
if i sell you a gun, am i responsible for what you do with the gun?
we WANT the fbi providing harmless alternatives for people who intend mass murder
you're saying the guy lacks conviction. even if he did (you don't know he lacks conviction), he's still dangerous
there's plenty of rootless airheads out there who know simple right and wrong and have no desire to hurt people. you can't place this guy in the same category as them
the guy clearly articulates a desire to harm others in a vile way and then proceeds to go about making that possible on his terms over a sustained period of time
therefore, he is a serious danger who should not be in general society. he has more than proved a clear and sustained intent to cause harm
the fbi is merely saturating the market for wannabe terrorists, which is a perfect strategy
this is also how they shut down murder-for-hire plots: they simply answer all ads for hitmen. this is what we WANT the FBI to do
you think that if the FBI didn't saturate the market for murderous morons malicious people wouldn't exist? wouldn't go through with their plans? what a fucking stupid idea. ever hear of timothy mcveigh?
its not entrapment
the guy expressed his original, organic desire to do this. the fbi created nothing
why do so many people not understand the concept of entrapment?
it's not entrapment
it really isn't
entrapment is getting you to do something you don't want to do
if the guy expresses his sincere, original desire to do something, no coaxing, no suggestion, that's 100% on him
i don't know why so many people don't understand what entrapment is
you don't know what entrapment means
entrapment is getting you to do something you would not have otherwise done
if the guy expresses his desire to bomb, and proceeds to go through with it, all of his own choice, he's not entrapped
the involvement of the fbi is manipulating all of his material to be harmless, and allowing him to proceed. they are not telling him what to do, he's choosing to do it
they let him go forward so they can see if he is an isolated wackjob or if there are conspirators. it also means they get to stick him with serious charges rather than a slap on the wrist
or would you prefer a guy who fervently desires to bomb people to be out there?
there is no entrapment here. none. zero. you simply do not understand the concept