it's also amazing how different forms of life can be reinvented
whales reinvented what fish do. bats reinvented what birds do
you can go down into deeper and deeper levels of reinvention of life processes too. for example, horseshoe crabs don't have iron-based red blood, they have copper-based blue blood. go deeper than that: there are bacteria that have completely reinvented photosynthesis from scratch according to an alternative methodology
of course the basest differences this article talks about is exotic, alternative forms of energy in superhot environments, superacid environments, weird chemical/ metal concentrations, etc. by necessity then, these animals have very exotic and bizarre biochemistry, but tehy are still in our family tree, because of the way they store their genes
so the deepest alternatives to life as we know it is to find some bugger somewhere who stores its genes in ways other than dna/ rna
since everything they develop is only affordable to the upper middle class
you're saying the rest of us should suffer in order to preserve the intellectual property framework that preserves health standards for the upper middle class of rich countries
that's what you are really saying, whether you realize it or not
the benefits will trickle down eventually?
oh how nice of you
now i see where your concerns really lie: for the rich
well fuck you
in universal healthcare, yes, progress will be slower
and yet progress will be more just
i'm all for a slower rater of progress that is more just in its distribution
if you furnish the r&d labs with increased spending, that comes with it a string attached that there is an expectation of financial returns on any discoveries, then you by definition are locking those advanced r&d developments into the provenance of the rich who can afford the developments
you think that profit-driven healthcare somehow immunizes us from all of those debates? the debates exist, we are subject to them. and they don't decide for or against universal healthcare either way, because the current retarded system we live under has the same debates raging
you have a bundle of negatives and positives, but you can't put it all together
namely, you can't prioritise a huge issue: the need to treat everyone
does the current system treat everyone?
no. if it's too expensive, they hand it off to the government. so you pay for it anyways thourgh the government
all that happens with a profit driven system is that the rich do fine, the poor do fine, and the middle class are burned by hassle after hassle, until they give up and suffer, or declare bankruptcy and get trated by the government
this in your mind is a superior system than just saying "everyone has guaranteed care, everyone pays"
you think there will be more bureacuracy? you think you will pay more than you do now?
HEY MORON: NOTICE THE EXPENSE AND PAPERWORK IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM?
to say that there is reason for optimism on the subject matter
if you are going to insist on being a pessimist, i can't help you, and frankly, i would call you stupid for not celebrating when the cause to celebrate is clearly before you
providing me with a detailed report about the fucking obvious, i refuse to accept the fucking obvious"
!?
ok
in your next argument with me, i want you to insist i provide proof the sky is blue, and if i don't, then you must be right when you say the sky is green
same fucking rhetoricla situation
dude: it is fucking obvious that profit-driven healthcare is morally, logically, functionally, and logistically inferior to government healthcare. both suck, but profit-driven healthcare is FAR WORSE on any measurement that cares about results
and you want evidence of that?
about the fucking obvious?
sorry, i'm not in the business of spoonfeeding people intellectual charity
if you want to misrepresent my resistence to providing you with proof of the fucking obvious as an inability to provide you with proof of the fucking obvious, then you go on with your bad self
our current healthcare system is a paramount of efficiency, zero bureaucracy and efficiency
oh, and btw, keep waiting. you need me to spoonfeed you proof about the fucking obvious before you accept it?
nice rhetorical approach: "you must be wrong, because unless you scurry about and provide a two hour report for me, then the FUCKING OBVIOUS about the bureacratic wasteful inefficiency that is our current healthcare system must be a false depiction"
Argument 1. The government has repeatedly proven itself incompetent and inefficient.
the government IS incompetent and inefficient. >sarcasm<and our current healthcare system is a paramount of efficiency, zero bureaucracy and efficicieny>/sarcasm<
Argument 2. I do not wish to place responsibility for my healthcare in the hands of the government, as I don't trust them to keep my information private.
but you're perfectly welcome to place your healthcare in the hands of an hmo, which only cares about profit
i know people like to whine about government screwing up, but when it comes to videogames, despite all the efforts of jack thompson, there are no stupid moralistic limits on the law books. the subject matter is actually a success story. some of you need to lose your permanent grumpiness on the us government, and celebrate a small record of victory:
i agree with every single one of them you've shown me, i deny none of them
AND IT'S STILL BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW
i am not presenting universal healthcare as some sort of nirvana, you're an idiot if you think attacking it conceptually as a nirvana somehow defeats the idea the socialized medicine
socialized medicine is simply the less worse of two evils, where our current broken, ineffectual bureacratic profit driven system is FAR WORSE
with all the waste a government system obviously means, it is still far better than an equally wasteful system, that only cares about profit, that doesn't insure everyone
i am not stumping for universal healthcare as some sort of nirvana, i am saying it is the less worse of two evils
all of the negatives you can throw at me about universl ahealthcare, i agree with you 100%
frankly, it's an embarassment that the usa doesn't have this. all arguments against universal healthcare are not just morally bankrupt, they are logically bankrupt. if you accept the notion that everyone in a rich country should have good healthcare, socialized medicine falls logically into place
even from just a callow economic point of view, in terms of the cost of preventive care (what you get with socialized medicine) versus the costs of emergency care, it is cheaper
what is the system we have now? a more inefficient and wasteful bureacratic way to get a less quality system
or we can just let middle class people go bankrupt when they get cancer, and leave tons uninsured
it's such bullshit, the state of healthcare in the usa
we could spend that money on education too, or healthcare for the middle class
we don't. we think it's valuable to our security to get rid of saddam hussein and democratize iraq. is that right? is it wrong? certainly, it could be the stupidest thing the usa has ever done
but therefore, you need to defeat the money spent on that operation based on that rationale alone, within the confines of the merits or lack thereof of that operation by itself
but comparing the money spent on that to money to be spent on some other worthy concern is stupid. nobody thinks like that and gets anything done in this world
look at taxol and the yew tree for breast cancer treatment
what the pharma companies do is substitute a methyl group for a hydrogen somewhere, or mix the chemical with some other chemical, patent that, and call it vastly superior, even if it isn't
just look at celebrex: it's just an NSAID. nothing that aspirin can't handle. but they modified the chemical slightly, patent that, the effects are slightly different, but the slight effects are relabelled massive and brilliant improvements in function, and you have a market
"Most of the sexual maneuvers in 'Lust, Caution' are in abnormal body positions," the report quoted Yu Zao, a deputy director at a women's hospital in southern Guangdong province, as saying.
"Only women with comparatively flexible bodies that have gymnastics or yoga experience are able to perform them. For average people to blindly copy them could lead to unnecessary physical harm," Yu said.
ok, now i HAVE to see this movie
and if you'll excuse me, i have to go wash my hands. because i touched my keyboard. who knows what i will catch
Slashdot Mirror
the INS is politically pressuring biologists to reclassify mexicans as silicon based life forms
it's also amazing how different forms of life can be reinvented
whales reinvented what fish do. bats reinvented what birds do
you can go down into deeper and deeper levels of reinvention of life processes too. for example, horseshoe crabs don't have iron-based red blood, they have copper-based blue blood. go deeper than that: there are bacteria that have completely reinvented photosynthesis from scratch according to an alternative methodology
of course the basest differences this article talks about is exotic, alternative forms of energy in superhot environments, superacid environments, weird chemical/ metal concentrations, etc. by necessity then, these animals have very exotic and bizarre biochemistry, but tehy are still in our family tree, because of the way they store their genes
so the deepest alternatives to life as we know it is to find some bugger somewhere who stores its genes in ways other than dna/ rna
find that bugger on earth, win the nobel prize
run by incompetents, is still superior, in terms of results, to a bad system run by the competent
since everything they develop is only affordable to the upper middle class
you're saying the rest of us should suffer in order to preserve the intellectual property framework that preserves health standards for the upper middle class of rich countries
that's what you are really saying, whether you realize it or not
the benefits will trickle down eventually?
oh how nice of you
now i see where your concerns really lie: for the rich
well fuck you
in universal healthcare, yes, progress will be slower
and yet progress will be more just
i'm all for a slower rater of progress that is more just in its distribution
if you furnish the r&d labs with increased spending, that comes with it a string attached that there is an expectation of financial returns on any discoveries, then you by definition are locking those advanced r&d developments into the provenance of the rich who can afford the developments
fuck that
you think that profit-driven healthcare somehow immunizes us from all of those debates? the debates exist, we are subject to them. and they don't decide for or against universal healthcare either way, because the current retarded system we live under has the same debates raging
you have a bundle of negatives and positives, but you can't put it all together
namely, you can't prioritise a huge issue: the need to treat everyone
does the current system treat everyone?
no. if it's too expensive, they hand it off to the government. so you pay for it anyways thourgh the government
all that happens with a profit driven system is that the rich do fine, the poor do fine, and the middle class are burned by hassle after hassle, until they give up and suffer, or declare bankruptcy and get trated by the government
this in your mind is a superior system than just saying "everyone has guaranteed care, everyone pays"
you think there will be more bureacuracy? you think you will pay more than you do now?
HEY MORON: NOTICE THE EXPENSE AND PAPERWORK IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM?
you're insane or stupid
to say that there is reason for optimism on the subject matter
if you are going to insist on being a pessimist, i can't help you, and frankly, i would call you stupid for not celebrating when the cause to celebrate is clearly before you
so given those negatives, don't you think universal healthcare is still better than profit driven healthcare?
list the positives of profit-driven healthcare (there are many)
list the negatives of profit-driven healthcare
list the positives of universal healthcare
list the negatives of universal healthcare (there are many)
the fucking obvious: universal healthcare is not wonderful, but it's better than what we have
anything else i can help you with cretin?
is you can fill it with the likes of senator santorum (since voted out) and they can't do that much damage
providing me with a detailed report about the fucking obvious, i refuse to accept the fucking obvious"
!?
ok
in your next argument with me, i want you to insist i provide proof the sky is blue, and if i don't, then you must be right when you say the sky is green
same fucking rhetoricla situation
dude: it is fucking obvious that profit-driven healthcare is morally, logically, functionally, and logistically inferior to government healthcare. both suck, but profit-driven healthcare is FAR WORSE on any measurement that cares about results
and you want evidence of that?
about the fucking obvious?
sorry, i'm not in the business of spoonfeeding people intellectual charity
if you want to misrepresent my resistence to providing you with proof of the fucking obvious as an inability to provide you with proof of the fucking obvious, then you go on with your bad self
i guess the sky is green too
(snicker)
i called you a fucking moron
this is a valid depiction of your thinking about choosing profit driven healthcare over government healthcare
both suck. profit driven healthcare is FAR WORSE. there: moral and logicla superiority to you
if you think calling you names, based on your own stupidity, makes me somehow morally or logically bankrupt, you don't knwo what morality or logic is
if i'm guilty of anything, it's being rude
and i have no problem accepting that charge, while retaining moral and logical superiority to your way of thinking
you fucking moron
(snicker)
our current healthcare system is a paramount of efficiency, zero bureaucracy and efficiency
oh, and btw, keep waiting. you need me to spoonfeed you proof about the fucking obvious before you accept it?
nice rhetorical approach: "you must be wrong, because unless you scurry about and provide a two hour report for me, then the FUCKING OBVIOUS about the bureacratic wasteful inefficiency that is our current healthcare system must be a false depiction"
pfffffft
okay
Argument 1. The government has repeatedly proven itself incompetent and inefficient.
the government IS incompetent and inefficient. >sarcasm<and our current healthcare system is a paramount of efficiency, zero bureaucracy and efficicieny>/sarcasm<
Argument 2. I do not wish to place responsibility for my healthcare in the hands of the government, as I don't trust them to keep my information private.
but you're perfectly welcome to place your healthcare in the hands of an hmo, which only cares about profit
and for that, you're a fucking moron
i know people like to whine about government screwing up, but when it comes to videogames, despite all the efforts of jack thompson, there are no stupid moralistic limits on the law books. the subject matter is actually a success story. some of you need to lose your permanent grumpiness on the us government, and celebrate a small record of victory:
Most Laws Attempting Limits of Violent Videogames Fail
i'm not saying stop being vigilant. i'm saying, stop being grumpy. this is a ray of light here
at me about socialized medicine
i agree with every single one of them you've shown me, i deny none of them
AND IT'S STILL BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW
i am not presenting universal healthcare as some sort of nirvana, you're an idiot if you think attacking it conceptually as a nirvana somehow defeats the idea the socialized medicine
socialized medicine is simply the less worse of two evils, where our current broken, ineffectual bureacratic profit driven system is FAR WORSE
with all the waste a government system obviously means, it is still far better than an equally wasteful system, that only cares about profit, that doesn't insure everyone
i am not stumping for universal healthcare as some sort of nirvana, i am saying it is the less worse of two evils
all of the negatives you can throw at me about universl ahealthcare, i agree with you 100%
and it's still better than what we have now
frankly, it's an embarassment that the usa doesn't have this. all arguments against universal healthcare are not just morally bankrupt, they are logically bankrupt. if you accept the notion that everyone in a rich country should have good healthcare, socialized medicine falls logically into place
even from just a callow economic point of view, in terms of the cost of preventive care (what you get with socialized medicine) versus the costs of emergency care, it is cheaper
what is the system we have now? a more inefficient and wasteful bureacratic way to get a less quality system
or we can just let middle class people go bankrupt when they get cancer, and leave tons uninsured
it's such bullshit, the state of healthcare in the usa
is gynocomastia. man boobs
so this seems like a problem that takes care of itself:
1. smoke pot
2. grow boobs
3. get boob cancer
4. smoke more pot
5. cure boob cancer
if this logic seems a little hazy to you, well, you're right. it's called stoner logic
now if you will excuse me
(puff puff)
we could spend that money on education too, or healthcare for the middle class
we don't. we think it's valuable to our security to get rid of saddam hussein and democratize iraq. is that right? is it wrong? certainly, it could be the stupidest thing the usa has ever done
but therefore, you need to defeat the money spent on that operation based on that rationale alone, within the confines of the merits or lack thereof of that operation by itself
but comparing the money spent on that to money to be spent on some other worthy concern is stupid. nobody thinks like that and gets anything done in this world
look at taxol and the yew tree for breast cancer treatment
what the pharma companies do is substitute a methyl group for a hydrogen somewhere, or mix the chemical with some other chemical, patent that, and call it vastly superior, even if it isn't
just look at celebrex: it's just an NSAID. nothing that aspirin can't handle. but they modified the chemical slightly, patent that, the effects are slightly different, but the slight effects are relabelled massive and brilliant improvements in function, and you have a market
they do it with the opiates too: see oxycodone
now where did i say slashbots=all of slashdot's user base?
i'm referring to the usual kneejerk twit
such a person doesn't exist?
you feel a need to defend such a person, or group yourself with them?
"Lust, Caution" prompts virus, medical warnings
although this was quite the amusing bit:
ok, now i HAVE to see this movie
and if you'll excuse me, i have to go wash my hands. because i touched my keyboard. who knows what i will catch
small hint: if the government were to do any of those things, they'd probably get google's cooperation in recovering info on you
is your hypocrisy and misplaced trust and logical incoherence dawning on you yet?
but if they are logically inconsistent and hypocritical, don't be surprised if you get called out on it