1. putzing around in a top notch Yacht in paradise is its own reward. the search for the Musashi was just a side part time effort
2. allen is from the west coast, of a certain age. so the battle in the Pacific looms large in his upbringing, and he is likewise motivated. your agenda is not his agenda, nor is your agenda magically better than his. in fact, Atlantis is just a myth with a number of sort-of maybe leads. not something you can actually go look for in a specific small area like the Sibuyan Sea
3. now that he has found Musashi, i hopes he keeps playing around in Southeast Asia, screw the Mediterranean, i wouldn't go, boring. Sulawesi sounds fun, i hope he has security though from pirates. not that his proclivities are my proclivities but the simple point is they aren't yours either. he can do whatever the fuck he wants, and nobody needs some random asshole saying their agenda is superior and must be followed. who the fuck are you?
but along your line of interests, maybe he will head here, it's not far from the Philippines, i would:
now you're changing argument. that's an intellectually dishonest effort. you were trying to say the democrats are as bad as republicans. they clearly are not. if al gore was president, we would not have invaded iraq. if romney or mccain had won versus obama, we would have no ACA. that's just two examples out of thousands of major policy differences
so if changing the subject is the best you can do, that's just your low character way of conceding i am correct. you're welcome for the education
btw, the democrats DO suck. but not nearly as bad as the republicans. that's my point. the lesser of two evils (and there is no such thing as ideological perfection in politics, so grow the fuck up if you think you can actually sit around and wait for that). they are NOT the same. if you believe them to be the same, you are merely announcing your ignorance of the topic. almost every day for the last 2 years, republicans tried to repeal obamacare, and the democrats constantly shaking their heads. they are not the same, in many ways, on many crucial policy points
have them sit down and talk to an old person from when polio was a constant worry, or heck, just look at tombstones in old cemeteries from the 1800s: read the ages of the dead, how many children would routinely die before age 10... sometimes what killed them is listed: pertussis, whooping cough, measles, etc., regularly killed scores of kids every year
there's people with ignorant beliefs created in the bubble that vital modern protections afford them. vital protections that they are so unaware of the need for (out of being stupid and uneducated), they actually believe the protections are the problem
hordes of these stupid loser douchebags, commenting loudly, everywhere
>all the evil shit a government can pull (and they do, i'm not defending government, i'm just noting there is far worse out there) is nothing compared to the evil that exists without a government backed currency and government oversight, accountability, and regulations of finance and banking. i'm not in love with government, i just recognize it as the *least worse* evil when it comes to currency mechanisms
Did you try reading what I wrote before launching into the useless insults?
Here, I've excerpted for you. Educate yourself, try again:
>the world is not a choice between unicorns and rainbows versus shit and broken bones
>the world is often a choice between various shades of bad situations
>wisdom is picking the least bad situation, and comparing it versus the other bad options. rather than ignorantly comparing the least worse bad situation against uneducated perfection fantasy. so government regulations, with all of the corruption and rent seeking and regulatory capture, etc., is better than no government, or weak government
You don't want to be oppressed? Ever try living in a place with no government or weak government?
look at the article we are commenting under. there is your answer
without protections, you get fucked
it's kind of like antivaxxers: they have no fucking clue how horrible a world of constant deadly diseases was. so in this bubble of ignorance, created by progress, they only see the tiny "evil" in what we have to do to maintain the advance: get injections. they react to that as the evil that needs to be defeated. as if that's the only evil possible. and when enough of them allow enough attack vectors for a deadly disease to proliferate, people die. so here we have the real evil at work: ignorance
the world is not a choice between unicorns and rainbows versus shit and broken bones
the world is often a choice between various shades of bad situations
wisdom is picking the least bad situation, and comparing it versus the other bad options. rather than ignorantly comparing the least worse bad situation against uneducated perfection fantasy. so government regulations, with all of the corruption and rent seeking and regulatory capture, etc., is better than no government, or weaker government
people need to fight corruption, not government itself. in fact, those who corrupt government are often the ones loudly proclaiming government to be the enemy, rather than the corruption they create. and uneducated fools fall for their lies
another example: the FDC
like antivaxxers, certain paranoid economically illterate wackjobs see great evil in the FDC. and in their abject economic and historical ignorance, they have no clue of the historical suffering that led to the FDC. no, in their mind these controls exist because of vast conspiracies and assorted nutbag fantasy rantings about efforts to control us all, because reality is apparently an episode of scooby doo
why does the FDC actually fucking exist in the first place? study your economics and your history. don't trust the low iq herp derp hysterics of alex jones types to "educate" you
the reasons are mundane and sensible for the FDC. not dark and creepy. a world without them, the world before the FDC, is far, far worse:
every dozen years, there would be a banking panic, and people would lose their life savings
simple history. simple economic fact
that's the real reason why we have the FDC (cue paranoid historically and economically illiterate whining about "freedom")
and here we have bitcoin enthusiasts losing their deposits by entrusting them to random assholes without any government oversight, and guess what?
"oh well"
that's what life is like without "evil" government regulations in finance
people who seek to get a currency away from "evil" government control get exactly what they want: worse. no government, no accountability. no accountability, you get screwed, and the only answer you will ever get is "oh well"
you can't run from government regulation in hatred of it as a great evil, and then expect government to come to rescue you when you inevitably get fucked. you got fucked, because there's no regulations... which you *asked for* and were enthusiastic about, moron
all this episode boils down to is some economically clueless fanboys needed to learn the hard way what the rest of us already know: that a currency backed by a government is obviously better than "free" alternatives
all the evil shit a government can pull (and they do, i'm not defending government, i'm just noting there is far worse out there) is nothing compared to the evil that exists without a government backed currency and government oversight, accountability, and regulations of finance and banking. i'm not in love with government, i just recognize it as the *least worse* evil when it comes to currency mechanisms
you can petition and redress your grievances to government, and get a hearing, and maybe justice (if you actually understand right and wrong and you aren't some deranged crackpot out for "justice")
you can't do that against random assholes whom you trusted with your deposits for some ignorant reason that just basically boils down to uneducated enthusiasm
it's like the people who rant and complain about how evil the police are. and then their car gets broken into... and... drum roll please... they call the police. you want to reform the police, fix the police, fight corruption. not fight their existence. you need the police. without the police, civilization quickly falls. of course there are crooked cops and bad cops. so fight that, the bad apples in the system, rather than fight the entire system. which you need, and want, despite the fact you aren't educated enough to see or understand that far worse problems exist without them. the same with government regulation of finance and banking. it is warped and corrupt and crooked. so fight the corruption. don't fight the whole system. because without the system, far worse shit will befall you
people need to be educated enough on economics and history to know what kind of abuses exist out there without government oversight of banking
republicans were drooling over gutting glass-steagall since reagan and finally some republican congrescritters got the bill done, and clinton signed it, therefore all democrats fault
some democrats went along for the republican cooked up lying premise for war in iraq. therefore all democrats fault
A threat against someone (like those against Curt's daughters) are at a level where the police should be involved.
hell no!
and the police won't do shit, they'll roll their eyes at you. because it's just ugly trashtalking. so schilling responds by exposing the douchebags. low grade crime. low grade response
and you act like there's a mob with pitchforks ready to hang people!
hysterical much?
you seem to have a prepackaged, thoughtless reaction to this specific case as if you only consider crimes that rise to the level of boko haram. this is low grade crap. so tone down your overheated melodrama
the overall problem is that there is not a legal, legitimate way for society to respond currently, so it is either do nothing or do this.
exactly! what's the problem? you want a nuclear strike here?
you want the police called every time someone steals a parking spot? every time someone doesn't hold the door open for someone else? every time a kid calls another a bad name?
not every act of justice has to be at the hands of police with guns
in fact, your calls for official involvement for low level shit is the actual source of the problem of an overblown reaction. there's no mob with a hangman's noose here. YOU are the one who wants people with guns to show up. you're the one taking this way, way too far and taking the chance for a reaction way out of proportion to the low grade crime
this is every day, low grade justice by regular people. and well done. good job schilling
you've spent a nice amount of time alluding to a false equivalency, but you still haven't described these mythological vast democratic crimes that equate to the republican ones
the republican crimes of tanking the economy with the wonders of deregulation, and wasting trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on a completely pointless iraq war that made things worse
i've just described republican crimes
now it's your turn
but i won't hear a single one of equivalent nature by democrats
because they don't exist
not saying democrats haven't fucked up. not saying the democrats are wonderful. they just haven't fucked up as badly as republicans, nor are they as corrupt and sleazy, by a long shot
i am not guilty of being biased to one side. i am guilty of noting the actual proportionality of the crimes of both sides, and *objectively* seeing the truth that the republican side is much greater
because people can be framed the pursuit of justice can't proceed?
people have always attempted to pervert justice. that's not an argument against justice itself, it's just another thing that justice needs to be gotten for
low grade twitter harassment is not going to be dealt with by the police
not all justice rises to the level of police and court involvement. it's not "vigilantism" if the stakes and consequences are low
you have standards which are unrealistic and will never be met, therefore you should read my words again and understand what schilling did is 100% appropriate and responsible
Just because this case is pretty black and white doesn't mean they all will be. The next time, some jackass will create social networking profiles with breadcrumbs leading back to their real target, and with minimal effort will get a Curt Schilling to do the dirty work, and bear the legal liability, for them.
did you hear that folks?
because someone might get framed for murder, we can't go after real murderers
because someone might get falsely accused of rape, no rapist can ever be punished
because someone might get lynched by a hysterical mob, all acts of actual justice are invalid
we're talking about targeted low grade comeuppance for bad behavior, directed at the actual douchebags who committed the bad behavior
we're not talking about targeting waves of completely innocent teenage girls for hysterical spasms of imagined delusional fantastic crimes, and then murdering them brutally
so no, sorry, your analogy sucks and you don't know what you're talking about
trolls are common pathetic cowards. they're middle school bullies in adult bodies if they aren't in fact actual middle school bullies. any effective defense against their lame efforts immediately chases them away like shining a light on a bunch of cockroaches
you're talking about another kind of douchebag: the stalker
but what gets the kind of person who becomes a celebrity stalker excited isn't avenging trolls
if curt schilling or his daughter attract an actual griefing stalker, it won't be because of this episode
and even then, the proper defense is the response he's already engaged in: a good offense. shut the shitbag down, hard, immediately. schilling sounds like he has his act together. his daughter will be protected and taken care of from the slime out there
your fiber is our fiber and visa versa. it's all bound up. a message you send from Vancouver to Halifax may/ probably crosses the border into the USA
and If i am in Chicago and i send a message to Anchorage, that goes through Canada
Canadian and American data is intertwined
and our authorities coordinate and cooperate in managing that in ways that would make both Americans and Canadians uncomfortable if you don't want eyes from another jurisdiction seeing our data
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1. putzing around in a top notch Yacht in paradise is its own reward. the search for the Musashi was just a side part time effort
2. allen is from the west coast, of a certain age. so the battle in the Pacific looms large in his upbringing, and he is likewise motivated. your agenda is not his agenda, nor is your agenda magically better than his. in fact, Atlantis is just a myth with a number of sort-of maybe leads. not something you can actually go look for in a specific small area like the Sibuyan Sea
3. now that he has found Musashi, i hopes he keeps playing around in Southeast Asia, screw the Mediterranean, i wouldn't go, boring. Sulawesi sounds fun, i hope he has security though from pirates. not that his proclivities are my proclivities but the simple point is they aren't yours either. he can do whatever the fuck he wants, and nobody needs some random asshole saying their agenda is superior and must be followed. who the fuck are you?
but along your line of interests, maybe he will head here, it's not far from the Philippines, i would:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...
now you're changing argument. that's an intellectually dishonest effort. you were trying to say the democrats are as bad as republicans. they clearly are not. if al gore was president, we would not have invaded iraq. if romney or mccain had won versus obama, we would have no ACA. that's just two examples out of thousands of major policy differences
so if changing the subject is the best you can do, that's just your low character way of conceding i am correct. you're welcome for the education
btw, the democrats DO suck. but not nearly as bad as the republicans. that's my point. the lesser of two evils (and there is no such thing as ideological perfection in politics, so grow the fuck up if you think you can actually sit around and wait for that). they are NOT the same. if you believe them to be the same, you are merely announcing your ignorance of the topic. almost every day for the last 2 years, republicans tried to repeal obamacare, and the democrats constantly shaking their heads. they are not the same, in many ways, on many crucial policy points
well said
and it's exactly like the antivaccine morons
have them sit down and talk to an old person from when polio was a constant worry, or heck, just look at tombstones in old cemeteries from the 1800s: read the ages of the dead, how many children would routinely die before age 10... sometimes what killed them is listed: pertussis, whooping cough, measles, etc., regularly killed scores of kids every year
there's people with ignorant beliefs created in the bubble that vital modern protections afford them. vital protections that they are so unaware of the need for (out of being stupid and uneducated), they actually believe the protections are the problem
hordes of these stupid loser douchebags, commenting loudly, everywhere
I stopped reading after your first sentence
This is what I wrote:
>all the evil shit a government can pull (and they do, i'm not defending government, i'm just noting there is far worse out there) is nothing compared to the evil that exists without a government backed currency and government oversight, accountability, and regulations of finance and banking. i'm not in love with government, i just recognize it as the *least worse* evil when it comes to currency mechanisms
Did you try reading what I wrote before launching into the useless insults?
I'm pretty sure you're joking, but just to clarify, there are free market fundamentalist morons who actually believe that
You didn't even read what I wrote
Here, I've excerpted for you. Educate yourself, try again:
>the world is not a choice between unicorns and rainbows versus shit and broken bones
>the world is often a choice between various shades of bad situations
>wisdom is picking the least bad situation, and comparing it versus the other bad options. rather than ignorantly comparing the least worse bad situation against uneducated perfection fantasy. so government regulations, with all of the corruption and rent seeking and regulatory capture, etc., is better than no government, or weak government
You don't want to be oppressed? Ever try living in a place with no government or weak government?
FIX it, don't destroy it.
look at the article we are commenting under. there is your answer
without protections, you get fucked
it's kind of like antivaxxers: they have no fucking clue how horrible a world of constant deadly diseases was. so in this bubble of ignorance, created by progress, they only see the tiny "evil" in what we have to do to maintain the advance: get injections. they react to that as the evil that needs to be defeated. as if that's the only evil possible. and when enough of them allow enough attack vectors for a deadly disease to proliferate, people die. so here we have the real evil at work: ignorance
the world is not a choice between unicorns and rainbows versus shit and broken bones
the world is often a choice between various shades of bad situations
wisdom is picking the least bad situation, and comparing it versus the other bad options. rather than ignorantly comparing the least worse bad situation against uneducated perfection fantasy. so government regulations, with all of the corruption and rent seeking and regulatory capture, etc., is better than no government, or weaker government
people need to fight corruption, not government itself. in fact, those who corrupt government are often the ones loudly proclaiming government to be the enemy, rather than the corruption they create. and uneducated fools fall for their lies
another example: the FDC
like antivaxxers, certain paranoid economically illterate wackjobs see great evil in the FDC. and in their abject economic and historical ignorance, they have no clue of the historical suffering that led to the FDC. no, in their mind these controls exist because of vast conspiracies and assorted nutbag fantasy rantings about efforts to control us all, because reality is apparently an episode of scooby doo
why does the FDC actually fucking exist in the first place? study your economics and your history. don't trust the low iq herp derp hysterics of alex jones types to "educate" you
the reasons are mundane and sensible for the FDC. not dark and creepy. a world without them, the world before the FDC, is far, far worse:
every dozen years, there would be a banking panic, and people would lose their life savings
simple history. simple economic fact
that's the real reason why we have the FDC (cue paranoid historically and economically illiterate whining about "freedom")
and here we have bitcoin enthusiasts losing their deposits by entrusting them to random assholes without any government oversight, and guess what?
"oh well"
that's what life is like without "evil" government regulations in finance
people who seek to get a currency away from "evil" government control get exactly what they want: worse. no government, no accountability. no accountability, you get screwed, and the only answer you will ever get is "oh well"
you can't run from government regulation in hatred of it as a great evil, and then expect government to come to rescue you when you inevitably get fucked. you got fucked, because there's no regulations... which you *asked for* and were enthusiastic about, moron
all this episode boils down to is some economically clueless fanboys needed to learn the hard way what the rest of us already know: that a currency backed by a government is obviously better than "free" alternatives
all the evil shit a government can pull (and they do, i'm not defending government, i'm just noting there is far worse out there) is nothing compared to the evil that exists without a government backed currency and government oversight, accountability, and regulations of finance and banking. i'm not in love with government, i just recognize it as the *least worse* evil when it comes to currency mechanisms
you can petition and redress your grievances to government, and get a hearing, and maybe justice (if you actually understand right and wrong and you aren't some deranged crackpot out for "justice")
you can't do that against random assholes whom you trusted with your deposits for some ignorant reason that just basically boils down to uneducated enthusiasm
it's like the people who rant and complain about how evil the police are. and then their car gets broken into... and... drum roll please... they call the police. you want to reform the police, fix the police, fight corruption. not fight their existence. you need the police. without the police, civilization quickly falls. of course there are crooked cops and bad cops. so fight that, the bad apples in the system, rather than fight the entire system. which you need, and want, despite the fact you aren't educated enough to see or understand that far worse problems exist without them. the same with government regulation of finance and banking. it is warped and corrupt and crooked. so fight the corruption. don't fight the whole system. because without the system, far worse shit will befall you
people need to be educated enough on economics and history to know what kind of abuses exist out there without government oversight of banking
republicans were drooling over gutting glass-steagall since reagan and finally some republican congrescritters got the bill done, and clinton signed it, therefore all democrats fault
some democrats went along for the republican cooked up lying premise for war in iraq. therefore all democrats fault
do i understand your mentality accurately?
A threat against someone (like those against Curt's daughters) are at a level where the police should be involved.
hell no!
and the police won't do shit, they'll roll their eyes at you. because it's just ugly trashtalking. so schilling responds by exposing the douchebags. low grade crime. low grade response
and you act like there's a mob with pitchforks ready to hang people!
hysterical much?
you seem to have a prepackaged, thoughtless reaction to this specific case as if you only consider crimes that rise to the level of boko haram. this is low grade crap. so tone down your overheated melodrama
the overall problem is that there is not a legal, legitimate way for society to respond currently, so it is either do nothing or do this.
exactly! what's the problem? you want a nuclear strike here?
you want the police called every time someone steals a parking spot? every time someone doesn't hold the door open for someone else? every time a kid calls another a bad name?
not every act of justice has to be at the hands of police with guns
in fact, your calls for official involvement for low level shit is the actual source of the problem of an overblown reaction. there's no mob with a hangman's noose here. YOU are the one who wants people with guns to show up. you're the one taking this way, way too far and taking the chance for a reaction way out of proportion to the low grade crime
this is every day, low grade justice by regular people. and well done. good job schilling
so show me
you've spent a nice amount of time alluding to a false equivalency, but you still haven't described these mythological vast democratic crimes that equate to the republican ones
the republican crimes of tanking the economy with the wonders of deregulation, and wasting trillions of dollars and thousands of lives on a completely pointless iraq war that made things worse
i've just described republican crimes
now it's your turn
but i won't hear a single one of equivalent nature by democrats
because they don't exist
not saying democrats haven't fucked up. not saying the democrats are wonderful. they just haven't fucked up as badly as republicans, nor are they as corrupt and sleazy, by a long shot
now we will simply hear more of your allusions to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...
that you can't actually substantiate
i am not guilty of being biased to one side. i am guilty of noting the actual proportionality of the crimes of both sides, and *objectively* seeing the truth that the republican side is much greater
is this the city that turns into a ufo?
or the one with the giant rolling stone trap?
what exactly is your moronic argument?
because people can be framed the pursuit of justice can't proceed?
people have always attempted to pervert justice. that's not an argument against justice itself, it's just another thing that justice needs to be gotten for
fair enough
but it's like pointless overheated arguments about what a "hacker" is
words evolve in meaning
troll has multiple meanings
you can't get what you ask for
low grade twitter harassment is not going to be dealt with by the police
not all justice rises to the level of police and court involvement. it's not "vigilantism" if the stakes and consequences are low
you have standards which are unrealistic and will never be met, therefore you should read my words again and understand what schilling did is 100% appropriate and responsible
Just because this case is pretty black and white doesn't mean they all will be. The next time, some jackass will create social networking profiles with breadcrumbs leading back to their real target, and with minimal effort will get a Curt Schilling to do the dirty work, and bear the legal liability, for them.
did you hear that folks?
because someone might get framed for murder, we can't go after real murderers
because someone might get falsely accused of rape, no rapist can ever be punished
because someone might get lynched by a hysterical mob, all acts of actual justice are invalid
genius
we're talking about targeted low grade comeuppance for bad behavior, directed at the actual douchebags who committed the bad behavior
we're not talking about targeting waves of completely innocent teenage girls for hysterical spasms of imagined delusional fantastic crimes, and then murdering them brutally
so no, sorry, your analogy sucks and you don't know what you're talking about
trolls are common pathetic cowards. they're middle school bullies in adult bodies if they aren't in fact actual middle school bullies. any effective defense against their lame efforts immediately chases them away like shining a light on a bunch of cockroaches
you're talking about another kind of douchebag: the stalker
but what gets the kind of person who becomes a celebrity stalker excited isn't avenging trolls
if curt schilling or his daughter attract an actual griefing stalker, it won't be because of this episode
and even then, the proper defense is the response he's already engaged in: a good offense. shut the shitbag down, hard, immediately. schilling sounds like he has his act together. his daughter will be protected and taken care of from the slime out there
again, you have no argument, just an empty personal attack. you haven't touched anything i said not even once, so my argument still stands
don't you want to say something in life? you think petty pointless personal attacks will get you anywhere on subject matter like this?
man you alex jones herp derps are fucking retarded
because wires don't follow political boundaries
your fiber is our fiber and visa versa. it's all bound up. a message you send from Vancouver to Halifax may/ probably crosses the border into the USA
and If i am in Chicago and i send a message to Anchorage, that goes through Canada
Canadian and American data is intertwined
and our authorities coordinate and cooperate in managing that in ways that would make both Americans and Canadians uncomfortable if you don't want eyes from another jurisdiction seeing our data
what does that mean? serious question
my argument: valid moral and logical point that you do not consider
your response: empty insults
exactly
you didn't make any arguments against what i said, you just threw empty insults
that's an intellectually dishonest person's way of conceding a point
so you're welcome for the education
grow and learn
thank you
stupidity makes me angry