do we have to do a financial means test before cops answer 911?
what about fire services?
do we have to a financial means test before the firemen turn on the hose?
healthcare is same necessary fundamental service, where no questions are asked and response is automatic
therefore it must be paid for in the same way as police and fire, and understood in the same way: a fundamental necessary government service, the way it is all of our economic and social peers (who pay fractions of our healthcare rates, because their policy matches the reality of what healthcare is)
>That's called something else that was tried numerous times in the 20th century and proven a failure.
the american system is a failure. we pay ridiculous multiples as compared to other countries with universal healthcare/ mandatory insurance, and we have lower quality of care than them
what you call a failure has been proven to be a success in all of our social and economic peers
this is where you trot out out horror stories from countries with socialized medicine. as if the american model has no horror stories, including avoiding the doctor until it is too late because you can't afford him
socialized medicine is not perfect. it's just a hell of a lot better than the american joke of a system
most people live paycheck-to-paycheck. most people can't put away $100,000 for the cancer treatment
what most people do is get insurance, as this is the most financially responsible and intelligent thing to do, and your plan in your comment is bonkers and not financially responsible nor intelligent
Why should I be forced to engorge some dick full of money when I know they will spend most of their time and efforts denying their payment obligations when I do get sick?
there's no such thing as something cheaper than mandatory insurance
anyone who doesn't get insurance is someone who thinks they don't need insurance. while those who get insurance really need it. so costs are spread amongst fewer people and they go up, if you respect the "freedom" of some freeloaders to be stupid and irresponsible
then those assholes without insurance break their arm and get sick anyway, and then they avoid the bill because they can't afford it, and the taxpayer has to bail out the hospital
so you pay for it anyway, in the most wasteful, stupid way possible, and you pay for irresponsible freeloaders
that's why healthcare is such a joke in the usa and is so incredibly expensive
now forcing 50 year old to buy childbirth insurance does sound crazy so you fix that specific problem, you don't jettison the entire superior idea
i'm sure all the countries where they were stuck under the failed system for decades were happy there was no need to resist and it would just go away on it's own
heck they should have just let the entire western hemisphere, the usa even, fall to communism and just let things run their course, right?
130 million russians (and shrinking, population wise and economically) versus 1.3 billion chinese (and growing, population wise and economically) sounds like good odds
why piss so much over tiny reefs off the philippines when one good thrust can increase you country's size by a third or more, with fertile resources
siberia is even closer to beijing than it is is to moscow
the chinese claim islands off the philippines because some asshole put it on a map once
certainly they can find some ancient map of siberia in their archives, since that's apparently all the justification the chinese need to claim land
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what about police services?
do we have to do a financial means test before cops answer 911?
what about fire services?
do we have to a financial means test before the firemen turn on the hose?
healthcare is same necessary fundamental service, where no questions are asked and response is automatic
therefore it must be paid for in the same way as police and fire, and understood in the same way: a fundamental necessary government service, the way it is all of our economic and social peers (who pay fractions of our healthcare rates, because their policy matches the reality of what healthcare is)
you answered your question: because if you're rich, you can afford the best healthcare around
do you think the healthcare they are buying is the average healthcare of the average american?
do you believe you have to be rich to deserve healthcare?
>That's called something else that was tried numerous times in the 20th century and proven a failure.
the american system is a failure. we pay ridiculous multiples as compared to other countries with universal healthcare/ mandatory insurance, and we have lower quality of care than them
what you call a failure has been proven to be a success in all of our social and economic peers
this is where you trot out out horror stories from countries with socialized medicine. as if the american model has no horror stories, including avoiding the doctor until it is too late because you can't afford him
socialized medicine is not perfect. it's just a hell of a lot better than the american joke of a system
most people live paycheck-to-paycheck. most people can't put away $100,000 for the cancer treatment
what most people do is get insurance, as this is the most financially responsible and intelligent thing to do, and your plan in your comment is bonkers and not financially responsible nor intelligent
you aren't immune to sickness and accidents
if you don't get insurance, and break your arm, you avoid the bill because you can't pay it, or you declare bankruptcy
and that makes you an irresponsible freeloader, because the rest of us have to bail out the hospital for unpaid bills with our taxes
insurance rates should be, and are, graded according to risk, like life insurance or car insurance, so chill out and get your health insurance
unless you are telling us your real motivation is to be an irresponsible freeloader, and avoid your hospital bill if you get hurt or sick
Why should I be forced to engorge some dick full of money when I know they will spend most of their time and efforts denying their payment obligations when I do get sick?
you really didn't read my comment did you?
there's no such thing as something cheaper than mandatory insurance
anyone who doesn't get insurance is someone who thinks they don't need insurance. while those who get insurance really need it. so costs are spread amongst fewer people and they go up, if you respect the "freedom" of some freeloaders to be stupid and irresponsible
then those assholes without insurance break their arm and get sick anyway, and then they avoid the bill because they can't afford it, and the taxpayer has to bail out the hospital
so you pay for it anyway, in the most wasteful, stupid way possible, and you pay for irresponsible freeloaders
that's why healthcare is such a joke in the usa and is so incredibly expensive
now forcing 50 year old to buy childbirth insurance does sound crazy so you fix that specific problem, you don't jettison the entire superior idea
any questions?
this is extremely ignorant and dangerous advice
all of the concerns this idiot lists do not even begin to compare to the relief of getting psychiatric care for your condition
please mod the malignant and stupid comment above into oblivion
he's explaining a shitty reality, not condoning it
ever hear of the phrase "shooting the messenger"?
irrational fear has been the keystone to all patriotism
nothing american about a human phenomenon
that's naive
every govt in the world, every govt that has ever existed, every govt that will ever exist, has sensitive secrets
all the intelligence snowden has decays in value over time. the longer he waits to release it, the less useful it is
knowing all of the spies of regime {X} doesn't matter if half of them have been replaced/ retired/ killed/ lost
knowing the battle plans of country {Y} doesn't matter if country {Y} did a new analysis in the interim
knowing about leader {Z}'s mistresses doesn't matter if we now have leader {W} in charge
etc.
the usa has every incentive to have delay the release of snowden's cache
give it a decade or two
russia gets more decrepit, china gets more powerful
china is not going to do anything until it's an easy grab
that's some simple nice pat hindsight
i'm sure all the countries where they were stuck under the failed system for decades were happy there was no need to resist and it would just go away on it's own
heck they should have just let the entire western hemisphere, the usa even, fall to communism and just let things run their course, right?
are you telling me the chinese have common culture with coral sponges?
no one lives there. no one ever did. it's a fucking joke that china claims these atolls clearly the property of the philippines
as for russia being an ally, you're historically ignorant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split
i wasn't thinking about tom clancy, i was thinking about recent history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
not to mention manchuria and beyond has been a war field between russia, japan, and china for decades in recent history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Port_Arthur
china, today, has border arguments with all its neighbors, all around
but russia?
shhh
all quiet on the western front
ominous
ruling?
they floated boats there
they made maps
that's not rule
i was going to argue with you but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries
you are correct sir
you're about 75 years too late
isolationism's heyday has come and gone
appeasement doesn't work. it just emboldens aggressors
it's POTS
the world is everyone's interest
you nip problems when they are small and far away, or when they are large and on your border
those are your choices in life
i'm glad the usa is involved heavily in the world- by that i do not mean wars, i mean policy questions, like diplomacy with iran
you make enemies sure. you also make a lot more friends
isolationism is a failed, loser's attitude
why do you have to view problems only through the lens of the usa's motives?
you do realize there are other actors in the world right? they have their own agenda and their own organic, original actions
the world does not actually revolve around the usa
if you can only view every international question through "well the usa..."
you're doing it wrong
the topic adequacy police has spoken
we have to move on now
delete your comments and find a new topic
if the self-appoint judge disapproves again, you need to abandon that thread too
i'm sorry folks, but the topic adequacy police is in charge here, we all know that
honest question:
why don't they just go after siberia?
130 million russians (and shrinking, population wise and economically) versus 1.3 billion chinese (and growing, population wise and economically) sounds like good odds
why piss so much over tiny reefs off the philippines when one good thrust can increase you country's size by a third or more, with fertile resources
siberia is even closer to beijing than it is is to moscow
the chinese claim islands off the philippines because some asshole put it on a map once
certainly they can find some ancient map of siberia in their archives, since that's apparently all the justification the chinese need to claim land
well said
false complacency is as dangerous as false alarmism