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Intelligence Officials Fear Snowden's 'Doomsday' Cache
Dega704 writes with news that Edward Snowden is believed to have a collection of highly sensitive classified documents that will be released in the event he is detained, hurt, or killed. According to Reuters, "The data is protected with sophisticated encryption, and multiple passwords are needed to open it, said two of the sources, who like the others spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters. The passwords are in the possession of at least three different people and are valid for only a brief time window each day, they said. The identities of persons who might have the passwords are unknown." These details have caused several security experts to express skepticism, but multiple sources, including Glenn Greenwald, believe Snowden has not released all of the documents he appropriated. "U.S. officials and other sources said only a small proportion of the classified material Snowden downloaded during stints as a contract systems administrator for NSA has been made public. Some Obama Administration officials have said privately that Snowden downloaded enough material to fuel two more years of news stories." Whether or not it's true, U.S. and U.K. officials clearly believe it, which can only serve to protect Snowden.
There is years' worth of material that makes intelligence analysts nervous. Just how much dirt could the US possibly have that they don't want people to know?
Make them squirm.
That means they automatically admitted that they are doing enough things that are worse than what has already been revealed for at least another few dozen scandals... Why can't a criminal spy organization ever catch a break?
If he's a whistle-blower, then blow the fucking thing already. I understand that he is on the run, sorta, but why not just come out with it all? All the spy-vs-spy bullshit just makes me think that the whole Snowden thing is bullshit itself. I don't get it.
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Bruce Schneier commented on this a while back:
I'm not sure what Snowden's alternative is, but a doomsday switch isn't exactly foolproof.
quiquid id est, timeo puellas et oscula dantes.
I don't want Snowden captured, but I do want to see this cache very, very badly.
How would that even work? Is there a central server that keeps the data and decides what time it is? That sure sounds safe.
Well, as much as i agree that he shouldnt be. Most of this wasnt transparent, but most of this (released thus far) falls within clear journalistic integrity. no people's names outed re: spies, etc .no confidential informants, etc. proper news papers are the editorial custodians, not snowden himself. they probably have all kinds of shit censored. But if arrested? i disagree. if renditioned, if tortured, if killed, if any "with malice" anything toward him then i dont disagree with an insurance policy. but he did things for which he already said he would face a legit trial. if he gets one, releasing an un-redacted pile of insanity would be morally wrong, despite the moral wrong already done as per the leaks he has revealed. 2 wrongs do not make a right, and he's already done the upstanding thing morally, and if he can get a fair trial with guarantees of safety, a trial by an untampered jury of his peers, equality under the law, etc. then he should consider it and back down on the nuclear option. but if any of the fairness is revoked from the other end, drop the bomb son :) you get kidnapped in the night and tortured? i hope its in place to dump the cargo
JFK? Gorbachev and Berlin wall? 9/11? Irak & MDW? ...
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"The passwords ... are valid for only a brief time window each day, they said."
How does that work?
"In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
So the encrypted file knows the time of day? I call bullshit.
Go Team Edward!
What does that even mean? He re-encrypts it every 4 hours and emails out the passwords and the file? This is either super spy sheit, or just plain bull sheit.
There are a lot of things, actually. None of them have to do with anyone's personal porn stash, or the fever-dreams of people who hate the U.S.
I misread your post as "God Fuck America".
The way we are going, we are doing a damn good job of doing it all by ourselves.
Why would the US government intentionally indicate that they believe such a thing? What this accomplishes is to encourage anyone who wants to hurt the US to kill Snowden (forcing the release of the supposed super-damaging materials). If that's the message the US propaganda spooks want everyone to hear, then you should be looking for ulterior motives. I'd guess there isn't anything so terribly damaging (that can't be whitewashed away as well as the rest of the stuff has been) that would really be "doomsday" for the US.
Rather than having everything eventually trickle out over several years, well-times to keep the media pressure against the US surveillance state, I suspect it would be preferable to the NSA and friends if Snowden were forced to dump everything all at once (perhaps by being killed). Everything's going to come out eventually --- by having it all in one heap, the total impact on public perceptions (what really matters here) is reduced: one quick spike in media attention and outrage, then it's all "old news" and there's no time for serious public analysis of the implications of each individual revelation.
Snowden and friends of democracy and freedom have an advantage by controlling the gradual release of information --- otherwise, they'd have dumped it all already. Forcing everything out at once (by encouraging every dumber enemy of the US to try assassinating Snowden) would help the PR effort to quickly wash this whole mess away from public attention. It would sure make it easier for the US officials to keep their lies straight, if everything they were lying to refute was already available.
if they are fearing what he hasn't released yet.
They know what they did was wrong, and apparently have done even worse stuff.
Time for a change in Government.
Be seeing you...
Join us in our traditional gathering around the samovar, for a Christmas presentation of what's surely to become an RT classic:
"Snowed In with Snowden". Edward Snowden invites various RT holiday gusts, for the cheer of the season, in the shadow of St. Basil's. The laughs begin, as Max Kaiser drops by with a little flask of "holiday cheer" - and some very special "snow" of his own. Then, we solemnize with George Galloway and Ken Livingston, who join Ed for a haunting rendition (did we just use that word?) of "Rudolph, The Red Nosed Reindeer". But hang tight on the presents! Orthodox Chrismas in't til January, innit?
Well, happy Feast of Epiphany, in any matter. Stay tuned!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Then they've done some really illegal things. More illegal than snooping on US citizens' electronic transmissions.
then you have nothing to worry about...
Sound familiar?
They should fear the Constitution and not do this shit in the first place.
Didn't they say you only need privacy if you've got something to hide?
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Elections are coming and we can swap out the current lot for the other bums. Big deal! How do we position ourselves to make money off of "Snowden's Secret Docs" when they are released?
Regarding the Kennedy, has anyone been into to that particular room on the sixth floor of the Book Depository in Dallas, Tx, USA, where they said Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK ?
I have.
In normal time they blocked that room up with plexiglass barrier. Visitors could only see that room from the corridor outside.
But I went inside.
I went there during the time Oliver Stone was filming the movie "JFK". They removed the plexiglass barrier.
I was able to stand in THAT VERY WINDOW, looked out of the window and surveyed the scene below, and I tried to assume the position of having carrying a rifle, and tried to aim that "virtual rifle" at the point at Dealey Plaza where JFK was shot.
I couldn't.
You see, if I were Lee Harvey Oswald, and I was doing the shooting BY MYSELF I have to know WHEN the motorcade which JFK was riding arrive.
I have to have the chance to judge the timing so that I can aim my weapon at JFK's head.
The JFK motorcade came, as I was standing on the 6th floor window, from my LEFT SIDE, and proceeded to the RIGHT SIDE.
If I were the shooter, I need to stand UP and look at the left side, waiting for the motorcade to arrive, and then aim my rifle at the right side as the motorcade goes towards the Dealey Plaza.
I couldn't do it ALONE.
In order to hit JFK's head when the motorcade is at Dealey Plaza ---- which is at the EXTREME RIGHT HAND SIDE from the view from the 6th floor window, I need to extend at least 60% of my torso OUT OF THE WINDOW in order to get my shot.
I do not know how long Lee Harvey Oswald torso happened to be, my own torso is about the average size human grown man's torso.
If I were to shoot JFK ALONE in that 6th floor windows, I couldn't.
I watched the documentaries where they had expert shooters trying out shooting at the motorcade below from the same window, and the shooters' in the documentaries were adopting the "half crouch" position, aiming their rifles at the exact point where JFK was killed.
But if I *WERE THE LONE KILLER IN THAT ROOM* and if I *WERE DOING THAT*, I would not be able to know WHEN JFK's MOTORCADE WOULD ARRIVE, as there is no way I could see the LEFT HAND SIDE of the windows when I crouched and lean against the left side of the window holding my weapon aiming towards Dealey Plaza at my extreme right side.
So all of these essentially boils down to my own conclusion that
1. Lee Harvey Oswald, if he was the killer of JFK, was NOT acting alone. He MUST HAVE an accomplice in that same room, to act as a "watcher" for him and to inform him when JFK's motorcade was to arrive.
2. If Lee Harvey Oswald was NOT half crouching on the left side of the windows when he shot JFK from the 6th floor of the Book Depository building, he must have EXTENDED at least 60% of his body OUT of that windows.
And in order to NOT FALL DOWN, he must have SOMEONE ELSE inside that same room to GRAB HIS LEGS as an anchor.
Conclusion from #1 and #2 is that, if Lee Harvey Oswald was really the killer of JFK and he did made those 3 shots from the 6th floor window, he was NOT acting alone.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
As long as it exposes who killed JFK, and exposes how to exploit the rigged forex market in order to make millions in a week, I'd be all for it.
READY.
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So, either Irresponsible Terrorist Ruskie Collaborator Snowden is (in fact) concealing numerous US secrets that aren't directly related to what he was planning to blow the whistle on, or the feds are freaking out over nothing. Well, what's it going to be? (Perhaps more realistically: If you were some sort of undercover fed, whose continued freedom and/or life depended on the silence of the feds, would you be comfortable now? Mr. Snowden, to his credit, appears to be trying to minimize the casualties associated with his whistle-blowing; but will you be so lucky next time? A single screwdriver-monkey contractor, not even a full NSA agent, punked the shit out of the agency. Do you think that some poor sucker with nothing but patriotism motivating him is the only clandestine operative in the agency? That there isn't a single other leaker in the, apparently porous, organization? Nobody infiltrating with an actual payoff awaiting him? You sure about that?)
Have a nice day.
Time for a change in Government.
If you mean changing what political party is in charge right now, that won't make any difference at all. Probably even changing the system of government wouldn't do it.
The problem is the intelligence agencies. It would take completely disbanding them and seeing to it that none of the people currently involved can ever be part of the new ones or make any other kind of trouble.
Why would government officials tip off the world about Snowdon having a secret stash. That would make it more likely others know about it and start looking for it. No. This is government PR maybe so they can justify killing Snowden with a drone for "National Security".
Don't the trees block a lot more of the road than they did then?
There's a webcam mounted inside the box near the window if anyone want's to check out the view (the pile of boxes placed there to represent the one's he's said to have placed there to rest the rifle on).
Not that they've been doing a particularly good job lately; but the US's strongest international PR move (and, incidentally, weapon in encouraging foreign defectors) is being 'the guys who don't have any creepy secrets (aside from things like the specifics of how atomic bombs work, which the Rosenbergs went down for). Unfortunately, we've squandered that of late. Being 'the good guys' isn't just some bleeding-heart bullshit to appease liberal pinkos. It's a powerful tool in any soft-power contest of ideas. Having nothing but weapons-related details to hide was an extreme moral-high-ground position. We'll be damn lucky to see something nearly so good again in my lifetime. Will we ever see something truly golden, as we did in WWII, with Axis units bumbling around looking for Americans to surrender to? That is what 'soft power' really looks like. It doesn't deliver the goods every day; but on a good day it isn't some theoretical, it's one hell of an advantage. Can we regain that sort of reputation?
Taco Cowboy, I did some analsys on your ideas. They coincide with what I learned when I was researching the core information when I was in gradschool. Seeing that I was a young boy in Dallas when this happened and actually got to shake his hand earlier in the day but did not see the motorcade go through town, I was always awstruck about what happened that day. I made it ONE of my life goals to figure out what really happened. Through FOIA requests and a few Wiki Leaks of my own, I agree with you 110%.
I recommend watching this video. About 50-70% through it is self evident on who did it just through the convayence as shown here.
You Tube Video Of Those Respnosible
-KD
This is such BS. The US Government obviously wants Snowden dead. They would really like Russia to do this job for them, by rubber hose or simple murder, so that more "NSA secrets" come to light. Yet another bounty on Snowden's death. Yawn! He is a *really* bad man you know. Next week: Snowden is really an evil Al Queda agent intent on detonating one atomic bomb in one major city per week, unless his demands are met... If you believe that, I would like to sell you the Golden Gate Bridge, at a fair price....
Specific individuals that we know are terrorists, and who the U.S. is tracking right now...
The real scenario is much more juicier ...
"Specific individuals that are influential in various terrorist organizations that are currently working for the US government and its allies (including Qatar/Saudis/Turkey), and are taking orders from the US government in launching various (minor) Jihadist strikes against the Western / Christian interests in far flung places to keep the FEAR FACTOR alive"
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Maybe it's the U.S. government spying apparatus crossing over into corporate spying on american civil groups?
http://slashdot.org/submission/3146393/ralph-nader-corporate-espionage-undermines-democracy
"Many different types of nonprofit civic organizations have been targeted by corporate spies: environmental, public interest, consumer, food safety, animal rights, pesticide reform, nursing home reform, gun control and social justice."
"Plenty of mercenary spooks have joined up to abet them, including former officials at the FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service and U.S. military. Sometimes even government contractors are part of the snooping. In effect, big corporations have been able to hire portions of the national security apparatus, and train their tools of spycraft on the citizens groups of our nation."
if they are fearing what he hasn't released yet.
They know what they did was wrong, and apparently have done even worse stuff.
Time for a change in Government.
What, and give up all this hope and change?
As long as it exposes who killed JFK
Terrible idea. There is an entire cottage industry devoted to arguing about that. Many books are sold. Considering how bad the economy still is, why would you want to destroy another part of it?
So that we never get to find out what the most juicy documents are?
I've also heard, don't remember where, that it is one big file and there are copies all over the world transported via Bit Torrent and the like. You know were and anyone can grab a copy of the encrypted archive.
I've also heard that the documents in that archive are originals, not redacted. The original would say something like "CIA Agent John Belushi did such-and-such." The redacted version, when released by Edward Snowden, reads "CIA Agent (name removed) did such and such." If they kill Snowden, the archive opens everywhere. Not only are secrets revealed, but names of agents are revealed, so those spies will be killed, perhaps by terrorists, perhaps by outraged neighbors.
A spy with any brains wants that archive to remain encrypted, so he wants Edward Snowden to live in peace in Moscow.
Will we ever see something truly golden, as we did in WWII, with Axis units bumbling around looking for Americans to surrender to?
They weren't doing that because we were that awesome, they were doing it because the alternative was that bad. (*)
Eisenhower declared German POWs to be "disarmed enemy forces" (a term unknown in international law), depriving them of their protections under the Geneva Conventions (love him or hate him, GWB really didn't have any original ideas....) and effectively turning them into slave labor, a condiction that we keep them in for several years after the end of hostilities. I could tell you a bunch of anecdotal stories I've heard from German servicemen (**) but why bother when the raw numbers tell the tale? Survival rate in American and British captivity for a German prisoner: 99% Survival rate in Soviet captivity: 40%
(*) Some say the Japanese finally surrendered for the same reason, specifically that it was the Soviet declaration of war that finally convinced them all was lost, not the atomic bombs. Would you rather be occupied by the United States under Truman or the Soviet Union under Stalin?
(**) I have to tell one anecdotal story. I had the privilege of meeting a Germany artillery officer at the WW2 museum in New Orleans. He talked of his service towards the end of the war, and being instructed to fire on Soviet lines, then receiving orders to fire on Allied lines, then receiving orders to fire on Soviet lines, and so on. This was repeated for a few weeks, and each time the distance they had to travel to reach their designated firing point decreased. Finally they were able to fire on both advancing armies from a static position. Eventually they lost contact with HQ, and he asked his men if they wished to surrender to the Russians, or chance a swim across the Elbe to surrender to the Allies. To a man they all jumped in the river and threw their lot in with the Brits and Americans, even those who hailed from communities behind Soviet lines.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
The fact that you conflate Snowden, Manning, Radack, Rowley, et al, with actual traitors, like the conspirators in Lincoln's assassination, the Rosenbergs (or at least Julius), et al (why did you omit the Walkers?) shows that you suffer from from an extreme authoritarian streak and an inability to use judgment. You seem to think that everyone that the US government claims did something to endanger the "national security" is a traitor. Learn to think for yourself.
P.S. For people like the Walkers, I think they should have brought back drawing and quartering. Some of the other people you mention should have monuments erected to them.
If they are stating that its the tip of the iceberg then seems they would say this if they want other nations or criminals to try and get their hands on it and hopefully kill Snowden in the attempt. This would clear their hand off Snowden and then it'll be much easier to kill that person/group or buy the files off them.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
JFK's motorcade had more than one car in it, right? I assume the first couple black limos passing by would be a good indicator to get that itchy trigger finger ready. No need to lean out and see the cars coming from far away. Also, recall there was a gigantic crowd lining the road? I suspect I could tell when the motorcade was coming while blindfolded, from the approaching wave of shouting and clapping. I can't conclusively say this would have worked; I wasn't in the room when it happened (... or was I? ... No, I was not, on account of not nearly having been born yet ... or was I?).
My theory on the whole JFK assassination has always been this:
1. Oswald was the sole shooter.
2. There were other people prepared to kill Kennedy if need be, who never fired a shot because Oswald did what he was supposed to.
3. Jack Ruby was more in on whatever was really going down than Oswald ever was.
I am officially gone from
I misread your post as "God Fuck America". The way we are going, we are doing a damn good job of doing it all by ourselves.
Easy mistake. Abraxas: [ (evil + d = devil) + (good - o = god) % do ]
Just a doffing of the hat to Demian.
Yesterday's Weirdness is Tomorrow's Reason Why
But if I *WERE THE LONE KILLER IN THAT ROOM* and if I *WERE DOING THAT*, I would not be able to know WHEN JFK's MOTORCADE WOULD ARRIVE, as there is no way I could see the LEFT HAND SIDE of the windows when I crouched and lean against the left side of the window holding my weapon aiming towards Dealey Plaza at my extreme right side.
The motorcade would come into view slowly, it's a motorcade, not a formula 1 race through Dealey Plaza... Plus, you KNOW where the car is going, point the gun where it will be and wait. Once it comes into view, take a second to line up the shot (you've got decent time since the car is moving very slowly in a straight line away from you) and fire off a few rounds, only takes one to kill him anyway. Or don't sit in position, wait and watch out the other side of the window till the motorcade comes into view, watch what's in front of the motorcade (the police bikes) and remember "When i see the police bikes, the car will be right behind them." It's really not difficult at all, sitting and waiting, pointing a gun exactly where you know your target will be going and shooting the target when it shows up.
Following your logic, skeet shooting is impossible if you're looking out a window in only one direction even though that's exactly where the clay pigeons are going...
You think Raymond McGovern and Thomas Drake are traitors? (I am not so familiar w/the others).
AFAIK, Ray McGovern has never been charged with anything. And are you really going to defend Trailblazer?
You are absolutely correct about what happens to most of these people (deserving of punishment or not).
I'm pretty sure Ray McGovern and Thomas Drake are good guys(tm).
Why?
The NSA already knows what is in these documents. The documents are theirs. Who would Snowden be hiding them from and why the sophistication?
Hide them just out of plain sight, so to speak. And when some accident should befall Snowden, the cron job times out and an e-mail with location and simple decryption instructions goes out to the world. Or the simple key is split between a large group of people in such a way that a small subset of them is all that's needed to open the vault, so to speak.
Snowden isn't hiding anything from the NSA that they don't already know. All he needs to do is to keep one of his aids from 'turning the nuclear key' on his own.
Have gnu, will travel.
Regarding the Kennedy, ... tl;dpost the rest.
My father, who was a GI in the Sicily invasion during the Second World War, was somewhat stunned to find out the 3 shots with that kind of accuracy in that short of time was done with a (manual) bolt action rifle. Obviously, that would have meant Oswald's military training allowed him to be successfully rated as an "Expert". Except he wasn't.
My grandfather (aircraft mechanic for the Germans) was forced to work in a coal mine for several years after the war, but later moved to America, and worked for Boeing.
Oswald's rifle could not have been zeroed for the angle of the shot, the FBI determined this, and that the scope was not well zeroed in the first place. When you shoot steeply up or down, the shots will land high relative to the flat level zero. The scope would have required shimming under the rear base to adjust for the cosine angle. Otherwise, one would have to know the approximate change in hold-over, and make the adjustment in sight picture on the fly.
Basically, without training to shoot from the sixth floor to a target 100m away, it ain't gonna happen. Where did he train?
This is an extremely misleading post, because it is not "news for two years". At the current rate of release by the main stream media it will take 40 years before the public sees it all.
Can you say limited partial hangout?
That is why I've said from the beginning that, if only for PR purposes, the US is most likely working the hardest to KEEP HIM ALIVE.
Because Mahmoud Ahmadinejad HIMSELF could walk up and knife Snowden, and it would be blamed entirely on the US.
-Styopa
Oh, good point, a former Marine Corps sharpshooter would have no idea that shooting down at a steep angle would affect the trajectory of the bullet...
err, a trainstop. Oh fuck off. =p
the only permanence in existence, is the impermanence of existence.
The Director of the National Security Agency does not have the ability, comprehension, education, skills, talent, training to understand what is happen all around him.
Perfect.
No matter what you think about who it was who killed Kennedy, one thing for sure is that there was a conspiracy to obfuscate all of the facts about the assassination.
Oswald may well have acted alone, on his own initiative. In that case, the real conspiracy happened over the course of the next twenty years. The question is, why was there such an effort to confuse the whole story? To create confusion and doubt in the minds of Americans?
You are welcome on my lawn.
The Marine Corps. There are 3 levels: marksman, sharpshooter and expert. He was rated as a sharpshooter in 1956. In a 1959 test, his ability declined to marksman.
By the way, his brother (still alive) feels Lee was a whack job that was doing it on his own. Didn't know he had a brother near his own age — the surprises never end.
Yesterday's Weirdness is Tomorrow's Reason Why
He was a government contractor. Government contracts go to organizations that are good at getting government contracts, NOT organizations that are any good at what they are hired to do. The Affordable Care Act website is a recent example of this. FEMA and the Pentagon have been giving us glowing examples for years (decades in the Pentagon's case). Snowden isn't some kind of security superstar. He's a third-rate hack.
Snowden passed through China and Russia with four hard drives. Anything Snowden stole is now in the hands of the Russian and Chinese intelligence agencies.
So the only intelligence services that currently do not want to kill snowden are the US an UK ones. Good thing that he fled to russia where such a thing could never happen. Great thinking!!!
Don't the trees block a lot more of the road than they did then?
Sorry, I didn't know anything about the trees back then.
See, I am not a born American. I am a naturalized American and I did not arrived at America until the early 1970's.
Furthermore, I spent most of my stay in America in the Boston area (and later in the Silicon Valley). I only go to Dallas occasionally on business trips.
Back when Oliver Stone was shooting his JFK movie (no pun intended) in Dallas I happened to be there for a conference, and both the Dallas local newspapers (Dallas Morning News as well as Dallas Times Herald) were having a field day on Oliver Stone's project (they were looking for old cars and things like that) and I thought to myself, since I was in Dallas, I might as well check out the scene at Dealey Plaza.
I was very lucky indeed.
When I went up the 6th floor, nobody was there, and seeing that the plexiglass barrier was removed I simply walked into that room (they had some empty boxes there as props) and started to check out that window that were shown so many times on tee vee.
And when I said I had to extend at least 60% of my torso OUTSIDE THE WINDOW in order to aim my "virtual rifle" towards that spot where JFK was shot, I wasn't kidding.
That angle of line the bullets travelled towards that exact spot where JFK was killed (if the killer actually fired from the 6th floor) would only allow a very slim degree of freedom.
If you guys would to check the book depository building, you would know that the very windows Lee Harvey Oswald was said to have used was at the LEFT SIDE of the building (looking from inside the building).
With Dealey Plaza at the RIGHT SIDE of the building, viewing from that 6th floor window, the book depository building itself has blocked much of view.
Someone commented alluding skeet shooting and clay pigeon ... well ... anyone who have tried skeet shooting would know that in order to successfully shoot at the flying clay pigeon there should not be ANY ANGLE RESTRICTION.
Unfortunately, the angle of restriction is massive, if you were to shoot from that 6th floor window.
In fact, that very day I almost fell out of that fucking windows because I was trying so hard to "get my shot".
Someone replied that it's not hard to aim at JFK since it's a motorcade and they're not travelling fast ... well ... let me ask you:
It's a motorcade, which means, it's a convoy of cars.
WITHOUT KNOWING WHICH CAR JFK was travelling, how would I, the shooter, know which head to position my scope's crosshair at ?
You guys need to understand that there were no iPAD or any smartphone back in 1963, as there were also NO INSTANTANEOUS LIVE CAM COVERAGE online.
If you were Lee Harvey Oswald, and you have left your house pretty early in the day, you would have NO IDEA which car JFK was travelling on, or how many cars are there in the motorcade, in the first place.
Which means, you NEED SOMEONE TO TELL YOU, or you NEED TO SEE IT FOR YOURSELF, before you train your scope at your target's head.
I am no expert on JFK's assassination. I was not inside the United States of America when that happened.
I was merely curious.
My conclusion COULD BE WRONG, and I welcome anyone to proof me wrong.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
I remember being 7 years old and watching TV when Kennedy was shot, and seeing it all unfold, the Secret Service agents running after the limo and the shocked news announcer. I was stunned. That was a lot to take in for a 7-yo, and it was just myself and a friend at his house with no adults present at that moment (his mother ran across the street to borrow something).
The actual shots were only about 80 to 100 yards. I can put rounds into a 6-inch wide circle at 100 yards quite reliably with a decent bolt-action rifle like a 6.5mm 91/38 Carcano using a 4x scope, and I have no military training and don't go to the range every chance I have.
I'm confident that I would stand an excellent chance of hitting that circle if it was moving like the limo did in relation to Oswald's viewpoint, with target-travel mostly directly away, and only a very slow lateral target-picture movement. Especially if I had the chance to put a hundred rounds or more through the rifle at a range prior, so that I knew the weapon.
I'm no marksman, just an occasional hunter. IMHO there's nothing that amazing about Oswald's shots. If he was aiming at Kennedy alone, which I must assume he was, then he missed more than he hit.
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Just curious.
If Obama were to attend that party, how would he fit in ?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
it's the only way to be sure.....
It was a damn good shot, I'll admit that. But I've seen plenty of people make tougher shots at faster moving targets from more restrictive positions while hunting wild game.
He wouldn't have needed a spotter because he would have had plenty of audible cues for the approaching limo. Watching people in the crowd react would have served as all the warning he needed, as they pointed, stood up, jumped waved, shouted, cheered, and generally became exited as JFK came into their view.
As for the angle, it's entirely possible that he shot the rifle left-handed which would have made it a lot easier to get that angle without leaning so far out. I myself am a right-handed person but I'm what is often called "left-eyed".. it's easier for me to shoot a rifle left-handed than right.
As for knowing which head to shoot at, that's also pretty easy. It's the one right next to his wife. If I were in his shoes, I would've just looked for the woman with the fashion sense who stuck out like a sore thumb in a group of men in suits. She was always well-dressed and easy to spot in a crowd.
I'm not saying I necessarily think Oswald did it alone, but all the things you've brought up I can quickly find reasonable explanations as to why they don't prove anything. And they were all already addressed many times in both official and unofficial examinations of the shooting. Keep in mind that Oswald was highly experienced and military trained, he wasn't just some random guy who picked up a rifle for the first time that day.
There's a lot of evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald was not JFK's killer. He shot JFK, but the bullet that actually killed the president did not belong to him. Remember that there's plenty of evidence that there were three shots. Forensic analysis, including audio analysis of the audio of the film of the scene, says that there were three shots. The news at the time said three shots. The doctors who operated on JFK said there were three entry wounds. Even the official report says the same bullet entered JFK three times.
It was the third shot that killed JFK. And it was not the one Lee Harvey Oswald fired. Lee Harvey Oswald is a straw man, set up for the public and for normal LEO to focus their attention upon. The real killer was one of the other shooters, and a specific one at that.
At the end of the day, there's only one person who had enough power to orchestrate this by selecting JFK's route and compromising the Secret Service, as well as its cover up using Lee Harvey Oswald and the mob. There's a building in DC named for that person. And there's someone following in his footsteps right now even as we speak (but without the cross-dressing, maybe).
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
..... the ironic war.
The files are stored on the ISS, and can only be unlocked by a direct laser link communication channel.
Isn't that obvious?
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Common sense says it's #2
Your common sense says that. My common sense says that too.
Past experience says that NSA's common sense is ummm... somewhat unpredictable for us -- if there's any at all.
Man, I was hoping for some Bill Hicks quotes when I started reading your comment.
Can we regain that sort of reputation?
Sure. Look, China's on the verge of getting various Asian countries to actually play nice with Japan.
Protip: Despite the kawaii^______________^ image we have of Japan here in the West, Asia in general views them as, well... Picture a World War II-era Germany, but worse. A MegaGermany, of sorts, possibly capable of transforming into a giant robot.
Ahem. Right, anyhow, China has no fucking decorum whatsoever, and is pissing people off right and left. All we have to do is not overtly fuck around for a decade or two, and Pax Americana 2.0 will arrive with rounded corners and scrolling marquees.
How about that government transparency you promised us you POS traitor? Thank god for heroes like Snowden!
Oh neat! The predictable "change" approach.
Let me give you some insight here, and you can take it as you wish. You'll see people chanting "change" in the streets and people will get excited about the new "change" that's coming and that finally a "change" will be happening for once in their life... oh wait a second! Wasn't it supposed to have happened with Obama?
"Change" is an illusive word my old friend. "Change" does nothing and will never do anything as people, in a collective sense, are complacent and in the end you will be eating the same shit from the same shitty paper plates they had given you from the previous "change" in government.
Thank you and goodnight.
And end the interest in the creepy traitorous worm.
Motorcycle cops.
Kennedy was in the first limo, preceded by a motorcycle escort. The Secret Service cars followed.
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
Maybe the Marines are that much awesomer than the Army or maybe standards are much lower now, but I was Army Infantry for four years and that's news to me. I would not be surprised if Oswald did not know that... or maybe he did.
Oh, and I usually qualified "Expert" on my rifle, as did probably half the company. "Sharpshooter" does not mean that you are some awesome sniper. Anybody that did not qualify as a "Sharpshooter" was considered a piece of shit.
Of course, all in all I agree that the GB is grasping at straws. From my limited experience, as soon as you add optics, hitting what you aim at becomes trivially easy. If you are used to shooting with iron sights, you get used to doing things like zeroing the weapon so that the corner of the front sight post is at center mass of the target because otherwise the front sight completely obscures the target at 250m. Mentally adjusting the aperture image gets really easy. When you add optics (even shitty ones), you fire the weapon two or three times, you go look at your target and see where the rounds struck versus what you saw in the sight picture (OK, I have to aim two sight post widths left and about as much down) and you are good to go. What becomes more important from there is how steady you hold your self, breathing, etc.
I do not find Oswald's shot implausible at all. Slow moving target at short range (Marines qualify to 500m), optics and good support for his arm.
Conclusion: If there was a conspiracy it would be public knowledge by now. Boring.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Are you mentally challenged? You of course just stand in the window normally and watch when the motorcade arrives AND THEN you go into the prone position. And of course the trees have grown a lot since 1963.
My conclusion COULD BE WRONG, and I welcome anyone to proof me wrong.
I find you very unpersuasive and can't imagine anyone would be bothered 'proving' you wrong. It's just mystery mongering anyway.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
that's naive
every govt in the world, every govt that has ever existed, every govt that will ever exist, has sensitive secrets
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
there was a conspiracy to obfuscate all of the facts about the assassination.
Every part of the response - during the shooting, the autopsy, the analysis of the shooting, official hearing, etc - was incompetent. People had no idea what happened, no idea what they were doing, so they screwed everything up and tried to fix things up after the official narrative emerged.
In addition, supposedly several members of Kennedy's Administration believed that Oswald was working for Castro. And they believed that if that was revealed, there would be an unstoppable public demand for an invasion of Cuba, which they knew would trigger a war with Russia. So they tried to quash speculation, in the stupid clumsy arrogant way of authorities (particularly at the time), which succeeded only in making things worse.
Put it all together, and it created enough noise onto which conspiracy nuts can project any scenario they want. Shooter on the grassy knoll, the driver shot Kennedy, the following Secret Service (no CIA!) agent accidentally/deliberately shot Kennedy, or that Governor Connally shot Kennedy because he was having an affair with the First Lady and JFK had just found out... CIA, LBJ, the mob, etc...
he question is, why was there such an effort to confuse the whole story? To create confusion and doubt in the minds of Americans?
Conspiracy theories make money. Books, lectures, movies, TV specials. And believing conspiracy theories makes you feel... like you're inside the secret circle. Better than the sheeple around you.
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
Except the article you quoted didn't actually say that. Nor do even the dumbest conspiracy advocates believe the Warren Commission ever claimed that.
There was a miss (probably caused by an obstruction), then a pause while Oswald moved from standing to crouching, then two hits. All the witnesses on the corner near the book depository heard all three shots come from the book depository, and all reported the same approximate timing.
The passwords are in the possession of at least three different people and are valid for only a brief time window each day, they said.
Passwords do not work that way! Goodnight!
The passwords are in the possession of at least three different people and are valid for only a brief time window each day, they said.
Either you're ignorant or a liar, either way by making this statement you make it clear there is no reason to assume there is an cache or that its got some awesome protection scheme to it or even exist at all.
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I'm impressed, you've concluded beyond any doubt what experts apparently couldn't put together themselves no matter how much time they were allowed in that very same room. You should call the FBI and let them know they're not needed anymore, we can send you to crime scenes with your uncanny abilities and let you solve murder mysteries.
Is this guy serious?
Crap. I wish I had saved a mod point for you. This comment is one of the rare ones that deserves to be +6 informative/insightful. It is a shame it is only +3.
To me, being an American meant you were trustworthy. Seeing the Red White and Blue on a uniform should inspire relief, not fear.
Now... ? I still love my country, but I should not have to say but... and I do. I am sad.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
Translation: The NSA / USG can't get to Snowden, so they are claiming that there's this "doomsday cache" hoping that someone else will "take care of him" in order to get those documents released to the public.
Dr. Strangelove: Of course, the whole point of a Doomsday Machine is lost, if you *keep* it a *secret*! Why didn't you tell the world, EH?
We all know the lone assassin thing was and is crap. As for who and why, that's another story.
Polonium, in the tea cup, in the dining-room.
Ricin, from the umbrella, in the stairwell.
Have a notice appear every day in a data stream accessible globally that needs a lease renewal periodically.
If the notice fails to generate the stream self decrypts globally. Three different streams that have other stream awareness means that you need to compromise all three streams at once, which is complicated by the fact that you at most can know only one of the streams.
Post a notice that is picked up by number 2 and reposted and then is picked up by number 3. Any failure to post opens a vault somewhere.
The shooting was not shown live on TV.
Snowden is a government plant.
Do any of you really believe that the United States government would go to so much trouble to go after the likes of Aaron Scwartz, Jeremy Hammond, Barret Brown, and others over stupid DOS attacks, and would go to so much trouble to trap Jullian Assange in an embassy, and go to so much trouble to get Bradley Manning for his leaks, and would discredit so many other whistile blowers that use to work for the NSA, and go to so much trouble to keep it quiet in the press, but yet, when they say they have an actual leak, allegedly the largest in U.S. History, and a National security risk, and they know where he was all along, and would actually talk about it, non-stop on CNN...Do you really think they would just ignore him? Do you really think he is a lagit leaker?
Come on.
No matter what you think about who it was who killed Kennedy, one thing for sure is that there was a conspiracy to obfuscate all of the facts about the assassination.
Oswald may well have acted alone, on his own initiative. In that case, the real conspiracy happened over the course of the next twenty years. The question is, why was there such an effort to confuse the whole story? To create confusion and doubt in the minds of Americans?
Actually, there's a fair deal of evidece coming out of now open or leaked KGB documents that the KGB (amongst others, probably) were all fairly interested in feeding the conspiracy, they had a whole department whose task it was to create and disemminate false documents; everything from fake intelligence documents to fake news stories like this one.
I have the actual source references at home, but I don'thave access to them at the point of writing, but you should be able to dig them up. Fun fact the KGB were also interested in UFO stories, mainly cus' back in the cold war stories of flying saucers could tie up airforce resources like nothing else. You kinda have to take "there is something in the skies" quite serious when you're living in a world where "surprise nuclear air/missile strike" is a real possible occurance.
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
Where did he [Oswald] train?
The military.
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
When there is incompetence at certain places along the line, you can chalk it up to incompetence. When there is incompetence at every step in the line, and in regard to the assassination of a President, it really starts to stretch credulity.
And the incompetence also stretched back in time. The CIA and the FBI were tracking Oswald, knew him very well. They had tracked him to Mexico where he met with Castro's guys very shortly before the assassination and they knew about the meeting. They knew he was in Dallas the day of the assassination.
Again, I have no reason to believe there was a conspiracy to kill the President, but law enforcement tend to be pretty competent generally. The notion that all of them along the line would have been incompetent, and then all of the investigators being incompetent, and all of the doctors doing the autopsy being incompetent, all at the same time, suggest either a conspiracy to obfuscate or a coincidence of very unusual scale.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Oh, good point, a former Marine Corps sharpshooter would have no idea that shooting down at a steep angle would affect the trajectory of the bullet...
He did not maintain sharpshooter status; he was downgraded to marksman.
WITHOUT KNOWING WHICH CAR JFK was travelling, how would I, the shooter, know which head to position my scope's crosshair at ?
I don't know much about the event, but I did play the controversial game which came out a few years ago: JFK: Reloaded
I can't swear by the games realism, but from what I've read, it seems to be quite accurate.
Anyway, in the game, JFK's car is clearly identifiable and so is JFK himself. I can't comment on your other points, but at least identifying JFK doesn't seem to have been that difficult.
Schneier = another built up by press figure only. He's just a man - he's not superman. No one is. Get that through you head. Security's not some massive 'rocket science' that's unlearneable either (yes, that includes crypto too, or only 1 or 2 men in the world could do it essentially and only because they are some type of "idiot savant" autistic number smasher that's only good for that, and that alone - like some asic in human form). Fact is, I used to think that about a couple people in the art and science of computing, until years later, I myself caught my 'hero' in mistakes, corrected them for him, and then took him down on other areas in computing also when he attempted to 'retaliate' in an article of his a month later.
Some incompetence, not total simultaneous incompetence. Not even incompetence by the standards of a routine event at the time. Just incompetence by the standards we retrospectively demand of such an important issue.
It was a novel situation, clearly no one knew how to handle it. The autopsy was handled as they would any autopsy - they didn't foresee the level of suspicion and demand for additional information that would arise almost immediately, and grow exponentially. If they had, they would have documented everything to a fine degree, stored every sample in a specially built centre, brought in the leading experts in every appropriate field, run every test that existed. Instead, they just did a standard limited autopsy on someone whose head had been very publicly blown off. Cause of death: "Well, duh".
Likewise the CIA/FBI monitoring of Oswald. He defected to Russia, then changed his mind and came back, he was written off as an idiot by everyone, US, Russians, Cubans, so of course they kept him only under low level surveillance. They were probably hoping he would defect to Cuba so they'd be rid of him, but the Cubans didn't want him either. (That's what fuels much of the conspiracy nonsense, I think. That such a low-level douche-bag like Oswald could kill an American President! But they always turn out to be low-level douche-bags. Kennedy, Lennon, Reagan, Oklahoma City, Boston Marathon...)
It's the same with the Secret Service. By the standard of the modern Secret Service, the Dallas motorcade was a violation of every possible protocol, and the response to the first shot a massive failure of training. But, of course, those protocols and training were brought in precisely because of the Kennedy assassination.
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
I think that people of the day just couldn't handle the simple truth, so they made the story complex so that it could conform to their preconceived opinions. Many people on the left were sympathetic to Marxism/Communism during the cold war, and so it was hard for them to believe that a Communist sympathizer would assassinate their icon. People on the right believed in the superiority of the West, and the successful assassination of a US president by a good old American boy who was converted to the superior ideology of Communism would be a Soviet victory that was equally difficult to accept. And people in the middle were uncomfortable believing that their leader was so vulnerable that a single person couldn't possibly have done it.
Therefore, for most people, anything else - the mob, the CIA, aliens - was preferable to reality.
Nice point, but at this point, anything that is released could only mean more conspiracy theories and more books.
Obligatory Hicks.
4 recorded gunshots says it all...
Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives
C. The Committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The Committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/part-1c.html [gov't website]
This summary link is a quicker read:
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/summary.html
Apparently he also would have no idea that firing as the motorcade was approaching the turn was about 1000x easier a shot. The ground was level, it wasn't too close to the building so as to make it an uncomfortable shot, and he'd have had enough time for 5 or 6 shots easily (though he'd only need 1). Seriously, check out the game "JFK Reloaded" which actually gives a good perspective on the view from the spot where Oswald supposedly took the shot. It's ridiculously easier to take the shot as the motorcade is approaching. Taking the shot when Oswald supposedly did is insane; the angle is terrible, elevation is changing, direction is changing, there are trees in the way; it's just awful. Shoot straight on and you get a clear, level, easy shot that just about anyone with minimal training could make.
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
If the NSA believed there were a "doomsday cache" and you were one of those holding keys, then you would either
- give up the keys and possibly be allowed to live, or
- give up the keys and be killed (more likely), or
- give the keys to someone else and then kill yourself to avoid the pain.
Because to shut down the cache the NSA will track down _everyone_ associated with Snowden and probe them so thoroughly with the NSA proctoscope that they'll wish they were dead and had never heard of him. And then they'll probably kill them to clean up.
The NSA is focused on self-preservation.
If you held the keys the best solution would be to release it all ASAP to multiple news sources. Otherwise you would not live long.
Robin Williams said it best in Man Of The Year:
Politicians are a lot like diapers, they should be changed often and for the same reason.
Power hungry wannabe-facists are afraid of the unknown. More at 11.
^ This.
By and large the rest of the world has always hated us. We're arrogant, successful, independent, and they're mad because they don't have that in their country. Maybe it's just because I'm an American that I prefer my country over the rest of the world. It's just as likely if I were from another country I'd think that was the best. I don't think at any time we've had the majority of the world wishing they could all be Americans.
Apparently also pushed white supremacist groups, believing that the US was on the brink of a race war.
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
When JFK was shot, he traveling directly away from that vantage point. It would have been an easy shot for a trained rifleman.
Apparently also pushed white supremacist groups, believing that the US was on the brink of a race war.
Yup, you can do all sortsa things if you're a little clever about your black (no pun intended) propaganda.
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
The shooting was not shown live on TV.
Well, I was 7. I was on my way home from a half-day of school and stopped at a classmate's home and, standing in their living room, watched and listened to the reports. Maybe they didn't show the shooting live, but it seems like footage was presented within a very short period of time. Or maybe my ~50-yr-old memory of that day got mixed with news reports later that day showing the footage of the shooting.
It was still pretty shocking to a 7-yo.
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
your explanations are anything but reasonable.
I've read this thread and there are many very good ideas expressed here. The porno revelations point to an area I think is important that is what was all this data used for. Where are the bodies buried and who buried them. Was some of this information used to help guide the outcome of elections in countries both friends and enemies of the USA? Use of this data to influence the outcome of an election in Russia or the Ukraine would be shrugged off. If the elections of friends of the USA were being cooked then that is a very serious situation. Elections in the UK, Germany, or even Canada may have been channeled towards USA approved outcomes. Are there modern Quislings and what are there names?
But why are most of the Kennedy Conspiracy theorists on the Right, if it's true that conspiracies arose because the Left couldn't handle the truth?
You just don't find a lot of the conspiracy theorists on the Left and you never did. Oliver Stone just had a hard-on for the government when he made his movie. There's nothing in the movie that's particularly "Marxist/Communist", and he came very late to the game. When JFK was made, those theories were already very well-developed. He didn't present anything new. Even today, the only place you're going to hear that stuff is on the regional right-wing talk shows.
You are welcome on my lawn.
And when I said I had to extend at least 60% of my torso OUTSIDE THE WINDOW in order to aim my "virtual rifle" towards that spot where JFK was shot, I wasn't kidding. That angle of line the bullets travelled towards that exact spot where JFK was killed (if the killer actually fired from the 6th floor) would only allow a very slim degree of freedom.
Someone seems to have put together a youtube slideshow using Warren Commission photos of a Secret Service reenactment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpAjEPOxjmc. The photos suggest that Oswald would have both had ample opportunity to observe the motorcade as it first approached the building from the side he was at, and then fire shots at Kennedy as the motorcade turned and began driving away from the building with no serious issue with shooting angles.
WITHOUT KNOWING WHICH CAR JFK was travelling, how would I, the shooter, know which head to position my scope's crosshair at ?
As the reenactment photos reveal, Oswald would have been able to observe the motorcade as it approached and made the turn directly in front of his position. Kennedy would have been easily observable as his car turned almost directly below Oswald. In fact, the reenactment seems to suggest the obvious sequence of events: Oswald observed the motorcade as it approached, and as Kennedy's car got close Oswald got a very good look at Kennedy but the presidential limo entered a defilade position and Oswald had to wait for the limo to complete its turn and then begin driving away from his position in order for Oswald to get a good shot.
If another government wished to hurt the USA and it's allies they would just have to kill Snowden to trigger the release of the damaging data therefore I conclude that the cache is a childish ruse, or Snowden is at a high risk of assassination from parties who wish to harm the USA. This could even include his current hosts as Snowden's death would only benefit them.
I'm interested to know what is within this cache of information. It makes one wish Snowden gets killed by some random thing so we can get access to the info.
"When you shoot steeply up or down, the shots will land high relative to the flat level zero." Does high mean an error in the same direction whether it's steeply up or steeply down? What causes that?
When fired horizontally, the force of gravity acts perpendicular to the path of the bullet but in the plane of the target. As the average projectile angle deviates from horizontal to straight up out down, the component of the force of gravity which lies in the target plane is reduced with the cosine of that angle. The optic is zeroed to compensate for the drop, so as you approach a right angle of the horizontal, the optic is increasingly compensating for an effect which is vanishing.
Nice try CIA... You've had years to hone that story.
Better than Drill, Baby, Drill, and Get Sick and Die from the right-wingers
He eats/shits/sleeps too (will wonders never cease)! There's dozens like him that can do the job as well or better. Face facts. That's the real world. In that timeframe I noted, I've noted too many like him are only products of press buildup, nothing more (often so they can be taken down and destroyed later: Prime current example = John McAfee). They do that all the time and just to "make headlines" even at the expense of their own souls in the jew owned media or at the cost of their far superior target person's expense they attempt to destroy too.. This IS the REAL world and how it works. The JEW media actually believes they "make or break" people when the only thing they do is expose the fact they will do anything for a buck and that they build up and destroy people worth a 1000 of any 1 of their kind. Then they wonder why they've been kicked out of Germany, Poland, France, Spain, Egypt, etc. and basically aren't wanted anywhere (except where those who sell out accept them only to find they team up on them, crook them out too, which is why they end up in furnaces thru time). So, do yourself a favor: Don't make some god of a mere man. I guarantee this (almost since I don't know you or your work ethic), that, 1 day, you'll really get good (better than you are now in fact) at what you do, and understand, they're not much better than you are IF they in fact, are at all. I know, I've been there/done that as I noted. In fact Ask him yourself 1 day if he thinks he's some "god". If he's any kind of man that really knows what he's talking about, he'll tell you there are dozens like him out there, some possibly better at security or crypto, and certainly better in other aspects of this field. The things you mention? Anyone can do, with luck, hard work, skill and in today's world (corrupt as hell) "connections" especially. In fact, I strongly suspect he is that, only, like most of "his kind" are (those over glorified types). It's funny when they take a beating and a fall, and everyone does, sooner or later. The system's built that way. Ever see the film "rollerball"? Get the message/clue from it. There are no Jonathans. (unless you're a jew that is and then it's only smoke and mirrors pr buildup bullshit). Jews aren't alone in that tactic. Masons do it too. I am doing you a big favor here. One day, you yourself (if you apply yourself) could do more and better than him or take him down a peg. Nobody is perfect which you yourself concede. Love how you brought in money (the measuring stick of those with no dick). You a jew too? You sound it, since money and gold = your God. Guess his competition wanted 9 figures so they bought the cheaper one. Do yourself a favor - Learn how business and PR as well as reality, really work, or is outsourcing/offshoring NOT working on that very principle? Seriously: Get real - you need it! (Mostly since the pr snowjob minus all facts took you in and brainwashed you. Hell, I'd bet Schneier's just another jew that other jews promo'd to be some "superhero of computing" - (when there are none, just harder workers) which their kind are notorious for thru time immemorial). Now, I am sure the "you're a racist" crap will spew out of you. Not a racist. A realist.
The _real_ JFK conspiracy is the one to cover up the catalog of incompetence which allowed the event to happen.
Far easier to alow stories about a second gunman to proliferate than to admit how many things they cocked up in a short period of time.
Think I'm kidding? The stock in trade of any government is "denial, diversion, delay and closing ranks" and we all seen it happen on multiple occasions.
"When there is incompetence at certain places along the line, you can chalk it up to incompetence. When there is incompetence at every step in the line, and in regard to the assassination of a President, it really starts to stretch credulity."
Really? Have you seen how many cockups it takes to cause a nuclear meltdown?
"You need to defend against every assassination threat. The assassins only need to succeed once"
Even if most people are competent, the pressure to cover for the incompetent one when the event is over, is overwhelming.
"scope was not well zeroed in the first place"
How many scopes do you know that stay zeroed after being banged around - and bear in mind Oswald WAS a trained sharpshooter with a pretty good marksmanship record.
The ironic hting was, Kennedy wouldn't have been an overly remarkable president if he'd stayed alive. He's a modern example of the old adage that killing people makes them into martyrs.
actually I believe him because he has no agenda otherwise he wouldn't have posted it. You are aware that after 50 yrs the whole assassination is still sealed? Why? because it can still do damage to American interests. My guess is CIA helped him at LBJ request.
It wasn't the assassination that reeks of conspiracy. It was the unbelievable efforts made to obfuscate the investigation, the handling of the prisoner, the followup investigation, the surveillance on Oswald, etc. All the way to the Warren Commission and beyond, everything seemed to be handled for maximum confusion.
And finally, the fact that so much of the official documentation of all of the above was classified, and much still remains unreleased.
You are welcome on my lawn.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make - the only conspiracy involved is that of covering up the staggerig levels of incompetence beforehand.
Heads should have rolled. They won't because the people involved are "too powerful"
Those documents will remain secret at least until the culpable parties are safely dead and buried.
Lest anyone think this is only of "historical interest", one only has to look at more recent history to see that the process of covering up and making anything which would expose [incompetence OR non/malfeasance in office] "classified" has become even more entrenched in beureaucratic mindsets than it was 50 years ago.
Look, it's somewhere off in la-la land to imagine that Bruce Schneier is some sort of plutocratic/semitic manchurian candidate or Emmanuel Goldstein, but if you are willing to ignore contradictory evidence in order to maintain that opinion, I can't help you. All I can do is what I did: to point out that Schneier's magnificent reputation is not some kind of manufactured "put-on" by the media, it's hard-earned and entirely legitimate. You might have just begun hearing his name, but for good reason he's been regarded as an authority held in supremely high esteem by the cryptographic, information security, and digital liberties communities for decades.
You a jew too? You sound it, since money and gold = your God.
I stopped paying attention somewhere around there, although I was bored earlier.
Not a racist.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. If you actually believe what you just wrote, you are quite a racist. Your whole world-view is informed primarily by what race people are and how you imagine that it relates to their individual traits, pursuits, goals, and what twisted conspiracies they hold membership in.