the best example to me of evolution is the human foot
look at that stupid fucking thing. the wiggling toes. what's the point?
how can anyone not look at the human foot, and not see what used to be a hand for gripping branches, turned into a lame approximation of what canines and felines do much better, in the short amount of geological time we came out of the trees?
being an American I consider the idea of royalty itself to be absurd and wonder why my Canadian neighbors need them? (especially if they aren't even in your supposedly independent country)
the problem are those who consider suicide an option for conditions which are temporary. therefore you must be very hesitant and careful in considering the option. your carefree attitude is dangerous
because the example of a valid use of suicide (sound mind, unsound body, like a terminal disease) is often used by people who don't have to use suicide to solve their problems (sound body, unsound mind: like depression)
for every valid use of euthanasia you show me because of terminal pain, i'll show you ten sad cases where suicide should not have occured because of temporary psychological anguish. we can start with the very man in the story at the top of this thread
if you don't consider the choice of death to very very serious and the need to be very very careful when talking about it, you are no ass, sir, you are an evil shitbag
yes, you yourself can no longer appreciate any facts, but that doesn't change the existence of actual facts. you do not get to choose to do anything anymore in death. thus, your freedom is completely destroyed. whether you realize it or not is a completely different point
you're just messing with the definition of the word "free"
like many words, "free" and "freedom" has different complex meanings. you can't just pick the definition that best suits you and argue from there, even changing the meaning you are talking about as the discussion progresses
you need to stick to the context the word appears in. in the context of this discussion, we are talking about what it means for a living human being to be free, and have choices. as opposed to being a slave or in prison. or dead
this is different than the poetic meanings of free you are playing with. but these poetic meanings has no relevance to a person who is choosing between life and death
you're engaging in fanciful word play, not appealing to the concrete outcomes of choosing suicide or not
yes, but there are other ways to relieve pain. plus, the pain is temporary. of course, it can feel endless, but that doesn't mean it is endless
i used to suffer from excruciating back pain. it lasted a long time, months. i completely understand the feeling a hopeless state of permanent pain. except: i don't have back pain anymore. i could have killed myself. but that means i would not be here typing these words, and enjoying a pain free life
if i had killed myself, i would have permanently destroyed the freedom i have now. suicide is a freedom destroying choice. opposing the choice of suicide, even externally from the individual, is a freedom preserving act
do you have the freedom to remove your own freedom?
death represents zero freedom
therefore, if you restrain a person, physically prevent them from doing what they want to do, which in any other situation is freedom depriving, in the instance of someone choosing suicide, it is freedom preserving
you can suicidal people everywhere who considered it, tried to do it, or were stopped from doing it, or failed in their attempt, later happy they did not commit suicide
if someone had been there to block Aaron's attempt, the man could have lived to fight another day, and maybe grown to be happy he would be still alive, and free
currency has value because its backed by a human society. real human society is a lot more solid than a voluntary internet standard that can impode at a moment's notice. real society isn't going to implode at a moment's notice. well, it can, if an asteroid or epidemic hits. but then nobody will care about your debts and obligations (and assets). but if a voluntary internet standard implodes there will still be guys expecting you to pay your bills
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exactly
so how can people not look at their own damn feet and not literally see the force of evolution before their eyes?
tribal allegiance first
logical coherence a distant second
so sorry, no
uggh
please tell me you are an awful troll and not that genuinely fucking stupid
the best example to me of evolution is the human foot
look at that stupid fucking thing. the wiggling toes. what's the point?
how can anyone not look at the human foot, and not see what used to be a hand for gripping branches, turned into a lame approximation of what canines and felines do much better, in the short amount of geological time we came out of the trees?
i count a revolutionary war soldier as an ancestor. he killed many redcoats
it seemed absurd then, and it seems absurd now, to live on another continent and have such loyalty to such useless crap
i mean there's 40 year old men whose mothers forbid them to talk to other women and they live at home meekly and obediently too
but it's nothing to brag about
it would be more accurate to say:
being an American I consider the idea of royalty itself to be absurd and wonder why my Canadian neighbors need them? (especially if they aren't even in your supposedly independent country)
it helps to stand above the fray when trying to make such a point, not wade right into it, thus opening yourself up to charges of hypocrisy
i'm american, and i'm rather envious of europeans with this story
and i really don't know how you can tell a bunch of anonymous cowards are really americans
so i think you have a bit of the psychological projection about you, friend
you should write underwater RAID
because an underwater raid of a different sort is also an issue with this concept
we don't need details from your sex life
adderall
the problem are those who consider suicide an option for conditions which are temporary. therefore you must be very hesitant and careful in considering the option. your carefree attitude is dangerous
because the example of a valid use of suicide (sound mind, unsound body, like a terminal disease) is often used by people who don't have to use suicide to solve their problems (sound body, unsound mind: like depression)
for every valid use of euthanasia you show me because of terminal pain, i'll show you ten sad cases where suicide should not have occured because of temporary psychological anguish. we can start with the very man in the story at the top of this thread
if you don't consider the choice of death to very very serious and the need to be very very careful when talking about it, you are no ass, sir, you are an evil shitbag
You assume pain is permanent
I am not going to pretend to know the psychic pain of a suicidal person.
But I am going to insist you recognize that that pain can be relieved by other methods than death.
yes, you yourself can no longer appreciate any facts, but that doesn't change the existence of actual facts. you do not get to choose to do anything anymore in death. thus, your freedom is completely destroyed. whether you realize it or not is a completely different point
you're just messing with the definition of the word "free"
like many words, "free" and "freedom" has different complex meanings. you can't just pick the definition that best suits you and argue from there, even changing the meaning you are talking about as the discussion progresses
you need to stick to the context the word appears in. in the context of this discussion, we are talking about what it means for a living human being to be free, and have choices. as opposed to being a slave or in prison. or dead
this is different than the poetic meanings of free you are playing with. but these poetic meanings has no relevance to a person who is choosing between life and death
you're engaging in fanciful word play, not appealing to the concrete outcomes of choosing suicide or not
cool story bro
the appeal to transcendence rather than the appeal to reason
there is a difference between science and religion too, or logic and emotion, or objective and subjective, in the same way
yes, but there are other ways to relieve pain. plus, the pain is temporary. of course, it can feel endless, but that doesn't mean it is endless
i used to suffer from excruciating back pain. it lasted a long time, months. i completely understand the feeling a hopeless state of permanent pain. except: i don't have back pain anymore. i could have killed myself. but that means i would not be here typing these words, and enjoying a pain free life
if i had killed myself, i would have permanently destroyed the freedom i have now. suicide is a freedom destroying choice. opposing the choice of suicide, even externally from the individual, is a freedom preserving act
right, he is not free by an extra degree of not being free than how the concept is usually conceived
uh, no. if you are dead, you have no choices
your word play is some nice poetry, but there is zero freedom in death
if you believe otherwise, this places you in the realm of religious lunatics
it's a philosophical question:
do you have the freedom to remove your own freedom?
death represents zero freedom
therefore, if you restrain a person, physically prevent them from doing what they want to do, which in any other situation is freedom depriving, in the instance of someone choosing suicide, it is freedom preserving
you can suicidal people everywhere who considered it, tried to do it, or were stopped from doing it, or failed in their attempt, later happy they did not commit suicide
if someone had been there to block Aaron's attempt, the man could have lived to fight another day, and maybe grown to be happy he would be still alive, and free
currency has value because its backed by a human society. real human society is a lot more solid than a voluntary internet standard that can impode at a moment's notice. real society isn't going to implode at a moment's notice. well, it can, if an asteroid or epidemic hits. but then nobody will care about your debts and obligations (and assets). but if a voluntary internet standard implodes there will still be guys expecting you to pay your bills
RFID is a solution they are trying to the two problems you mention
n/t