you've mentioned a number of good factors, but honestly, our knowledge of this subject matter is so sketchy, there's a couple dozen more factors we can think of, then there's the factors we don't even know about
the only genuine intellectually honest answer is: "a long time, but no one really can say for sure how long"
I never understood that Georgia thing. Putin schueduled it right during the opening of the 2008 Olympics, when the world's attention was turned elsewhere. I in fact remember footage of Putin whispering in GW Bush's ear in the viewing stands. we can guess what that was about.
look, if the USA said the residents of Pinar del Rio or Camaguey in Cuba were complaining about oppression from Havana, and so the USA invaded Cuba and carved it up into ministates that no one else in the world recognized, the world would still be screaming about it to this very day.
But there seems to be some sort of world agreement to hush the whole thing up. It's outrageous, it's naked Russian Imperialism straight out of the 19th century, and the world hardly fluttered. I don't get it.
the usa is one of the most free countries in the world and has one of the highest respect for civil rights, ahead of european countries on many measures
if someone isn't on the agenda of attack the usa first, ignore all other players in the world, they must be an asskissing american apologist
the usa leads the world on a whole number of vile evil wrongs
did you read that? i will repeat if your cranium is too thick:
the usa leads the world on a whole number of vile evil wrongs
i. just. wrote. those. words.
are we clear?
however, the subject of the free flow of information, assange's core concern, is NOT one of the issues the usa is doing badly in. in fact, it's by far one of the cleaner countries in the world on that subject matter, most definitely including as compared to a country like russia
i'm sorry if a little simple intellectually honesty is so glaring to you. if facts don't jibe with your political agenda, then reality must have a political agenda against you, right? because i don't know how else to process your desperate smear on my motivation here
i have some advice to you:
if you attack the usa on the actual subject matters in which it actually does wrong in the world (AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM), rather than trying to twist every damn subject matter into an attack-the-usa rodeo, you might find that you have more traction with people who wish to take you seriously, but currently cannot
i seemed to have hit a nerve with the russian nationalist trolls
assange is concerned with free flow of information, yes or no?
based on assange's core concern, would you say that there is a lot more cultural and legal concern for freedom of speech and press in the West? or in Russia?
russia still believes in the strong man mentality. one strong dude has to control all. this is viewed as strength. when of course, this is colossal weakness. many russians understand this. but if they speak out about it, they get jailed, censured, fired or otherwise ostracized. it's sad
so if you are a proud russian, why don't you turn some of that criticism towards your state apparatus, in control of your media, in control of your judicial system, in control of everything, and actually try to create a state that actually respects its citizens
until then, as long as there is a large pool of russians that respect and believe in the idea of the big strong man, russia is doomed to mediocrity and, paradoxically, weakness
this is where we see if ignorant chest thumping nationalism crowds out all sense of logic and reason on the subject matter, and if you must kneejerk react to any criticism from the west, even if it is correct
we know which instinct of yours putin is betting on don't we?
assange is concerned with free flow of information, yes or no?
based on assange's core concern, would you say that there is a lot more cultural and legal concern for freedom of speech and press in the West? or in Russia?
this is where we test if your ignorant chest thumping nationalism crowds out all sense of logic and reason on the subject matter
the funniest thing about those who freely pillory the West and refrain from criticizing the likes of Russia, is that if the situation were reversed: attacking Russia from within Russia, and remaining silent on the West, they would get a knock on the door
in other words, you don't know how good you got it. can the West improve? of course. but you have to be intellectually honest when comparing the West's track record with the likes of Russia, or you just can't be taken seriously
freedom of speech. freedom of the press. these are concepts in the West that are not perfect, but legally and culturally adhered to orders of magnitude better than in countries like Russia
are you afraid you will be targeted for speaking out against the West, as you post from within the West? no?
think about that. think about what that really means. now try to be intellectually honest on this subject matter
of course the west isn't perfect. i specifically said "I am not defending the USA"
now, do you want to honestly represent to us your opinion about Russia's commitment to the free flow of information?
freedom of speech, freedom of the press, propaganda and obfuscation, etc.: the West is not perfect. but orders of magnitude doing better in this subject matter than a country like Russia.
i can't really understand someone who will pillory the West on this subject matter and ignore the history of a country like Russia
there is no such thing as unbiased news media. never was. never will be
of course, there is a difference between outright purposeful propaganda and an organization that tries very hard to be impartial. but they'll be tarred and feathered by any political group that doesn't like what they are realistically reporting anyways
so it all depends on you, the reader. you need a good healthy bullshit meter. and you need to have a healthy media diet of many very different media sources, geographically and ideologically
this otis elevator sounds like a communist company. whoever this otis was, he obviously was no real capitalist or real murican
a real murican elevator would have a real murican algorithm, and not an algorithm by this eurotrash muslim atheist Theresa Christy. a "mathematician?" obviously some liberal college major where they teach her women should be allowed out of the home
the real murican elevator algorithm would scan everyone's wallets, and only one guy, the guy with the greatest amount of cash in his pocket, would get to use all of the elevators for him personally, 99% of the time, even if he wasn't using the elevators and everyone else had to use the stairs
Slashdot Mirror
weird isn't it?
maybe if you pursue progressively stupider and stupider thoughts, the only possibility is to go full cycle and loop around into intelligence?
badum ching
you've mentioned a number of good factors, but honestly, our knowledge of this subject matter is so sketchy, there's a couple dozen more factors we can think of, then there's the factors we don't even know about
the only genuine intellectually honest answer is: "a long time, but no one really can say for sure how long"
it only took 6,000 years for jesus to show up riding a velociraptor
this would be proven if no one responded
but you responded. so you at least care
It didn't make it past 15 years of operation
The Zwurg captured it, crushed it, and have been spoofing empty space readings back to us to hide the fact we are inside a giant experimental sphere.
Where voyager would be right now is actually solid lead.
I never understood that Georgia thing. Putin schueduled it right during the opening of the 2008 Olympics, when the world's attention was turned elsewhere. I in fact remember footage of Putin whispering in GW Bush's ear in the viewing stands. we can guess what that was about.
Oh wait, reality is better than guessing:
http://www.mediaite.com/print/president-bush-says-he-called-putin-cold-blooded-had-dog-size-trash-talk/
look, if the USA said the residents of Pinar del Rio or Camaguey in Cuba were complaining about oppression from Havana, and so the USA invaded Cuba and carved it up into ministates that no one else in the world recognized, the world would still be screaming about it to this very day.
But there seems to be some sort of world agreement to hush the whole thing up. It's outrageous, it's naked Russian Imperialism straight out of the 19th century, and the world hardly fluttered. I don't get it.
it's not a personal attack
it's an objective description of the content of the post
right, absolutely. which is a completely different subject matter
the usa is one of the most free countries in the world and has one of the highest respect for civil rights, ahead of european countries on many measures
how old are you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices
LOL!
thanks for that
you obviously care about the subject. i hope some day you also try to be taken seriously
if you signed your name to what you wrote above, not a single soul would give a flying fuck
sorry
right, nice link. doesn't answer my question
i asked if you honestly believe that if you signed your name to your slashdot post above, that it would mean you would be placed on a terror watchlist
do you honestly believe that?
oh that's a ripe pile
if someone isn't on the agenda of attack the usa first, ignore all other players in the world, they must be an asskissing american apologist
the usa leads the world on a whole number of vile evil wrongs
did you read that? i will repeat if your cranium is too thick:
the usa leads the world on a whole number of vile evil wrongs
i. just. wrote. those. words.
are we clear?
however, the subject of the free flow of information, assange's core concern, is NOT one of the issues the usa is doing badly in. in fact, it's by far one of the cleaner countries in the world on that subject matter, most definitely including as compared to a country like russia
i'm sorry if a little simple intellectually honesty is so glaring to you. if facts don't jibe with your political agenda, then reality must have a political agenda against you, right? because i don't know how else to process your desperate smear on my motivation here
i have some advice to you:
if you attack the usa on the actual subject matters in which it actually does wrong in the world (AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF THEM), rather than trying to twist every damn subject matter into an attack-the-usa rodeo, you might find that you have more traction with people who wish to take you seriously, but currently cannot
thanks for changing the subject matter to a grab bag of whiny complaints. because no other country in the world has issues, right?
i'll take your post to mean you are conceding my point but are too stubborn to do so honestly
nevermind, paranoid schizophrenia is a sad disease
i seemed to have hit a nerve with the russian nationalist trolls
assange is concerned with free flow of information, yes or no?
based on assange's core concern, would you say that there is a lot more cultural and legal concern for freedom of speech and press in the West? or in Russia?
russia still believes in the strong man mentality. one strong dude has to control all. this is viewed as strength. when of course, this is colossal weakness. many russians understand this. but if they speak out about it, they get jailed, censured, fired or otherwise ostracized. it's sad
so if you are a proud russian, why don't you turn some of that criticism towards your state apparatus, in control of your media, in control of your judicial system, in control of everything, and actually try to create a state that actually respects its citizens
until then, as long as there is a large pool of russians that respect and believe in the idea of the big strong man, russia is doomed to mediocrity and, paradoxically, weakness
this is where we see if ignorant chest thumping nationalism crowds out all sense of logic and reason on the subject matter, and if you must kneejerk react to any criticism from the west, even if it is correct
we know which instinct of yours putin is betting on don't we?
that was pretty desperate
tell me something, dear nationalist hack:
assange is concerned with free flow of information, yes or no?
based on assange's core concern, would you say that there is a lot more cultural and legal concern for freedom of speech and press in the West? or in Russia?
this is where we test if your ignorant chest thumping nationalism crowds out all sense of logic and reason on the subject matter
the funniest thing about those who freely pillory the West and refrain from criticizing the likes of Russia, is that if the situation were reversed: attacking Russia from within Russia, and remaining silent on the West, they would get a knock on the door
in other words, you don't know how good you got it. can the West improve? of course. but you have to be intellectually honest when comparing the West's track record with the likes of Russia, or you just can't be taken seriously
freedom of speech. freedom of the press. these are concepts in the West that are not perfect, but legally and culturally adhered to orders of magnitude better than in countries like Russia
are you afraid you will be targeted for speaking out against the West, as you post from within the West? no?
think about that. think about what that really means. now try to be intellectually honest on this subject matter
of course the west isn't perfect. i specifically said "I am not defending the USA"
now, do you want to honestly represent to us your opinion about Russia's commitment to the free flow of information?
freedom of speech, freedom of the press, propaganda and obfuscation, etc.: the West is not perfect. but orders of magnitude doing better in this subject matter than a country like Russia.
i can't really understand someone who will pillory the West on this subject matter and ignore the history of a country like Russia
there isn't a region in the world without an ugly history. what's your point?
i'm talking about the idea of free and open flow of information, isn't that the subject matter here? assange?
the west has problems with the free flow of information
but a country like russia has orders of magnitude more problems with that
you don't make any valid points by changing the subject
thank you. this really needs to be +10
there is no such thing as unbiased news media. never was. never will be
of course, there is a difference between outright purposeful propaganda and an organization that tries very hard to be impartial. but they'll be tarred and feathered by any political group that doesn't like what they are realistically reporting anyways
so it all depends on you, the reader. you need a good healthy bullshit meter. and you need to have a healthy media diet of many very different media sources, geographically and ideologically
that's the only way
and then your sig is fucking moronic
ah well
it spies on everyone
but Russia Today? seriously?
there's no sincerity here
just Russia sniffing out that they can use this issue as a political football
Russia's track record shows that it clearly stands far less for the principles Assange talks about than the West
but this won't stop Russia using Assange as a club against the West
socialist scum
this otis elevator sounds like a communist company. whoever this otis was, he obviously was no real capitalist or real murican
a real murican elevator would have a real murican algorithm, and not an algorithm by this eurotrash muslim atheist Theresa Christy. a "mathematician?" obviously some liberal college major where they teach her women should be allowed out of the home
the real murican elevator algorithm would scan everyone's wallets, and only one guy, the guy with the greatest amount of cash in his pocket, would get to use all of the elevators for him personally, 99% of the time, even if he wasn't using the elevators and everyone else had to use the stairs