i know. isn't it lame that the USA hordes all the evil in the world? how do they get away with it? i mean other countries want to do things on their own initiative, but somehow the USA hacked the laws of free will and now all they are allowed to do is react to what the USA does. it's totally unfair man. all of the chains of cause and effect always seem to stop with the USA. this fool you are responding believes that this says more about how you think than it says about reality, but he's just a fascist neocon warmongering apologist, obviously. it's some sort of black magic dude the USA's got, what with the being the source of all evil in the world. keep up the fight brother!
It's really interesting to suggest to people obsessed with the USA that the USA is not the only country in the world that matters, and then basically get a reply that boils down to "no, the USA is the only country that matters."
It says more about your own psychology, your thinking amounts to tribal posturing of "us" and "them." You have a sheltered provincial worldview, not a grasp on reality with its profusion of independent players.
The Saudis and Turks thank you for patronizing and condescending to them and dismissing them as slaves. Especially as actually impartial viewers of world affairs have taken increasing note of the importance and value of the Turkish model of approaching the world.
But we have to suffer the fools. The mindless sheltered fools who think the USA is the only country that ever matters and everything that happens in the world can be creatively reinterpreted as an American action and therefore an American responsibility.
I did not know that all malice in the world flows from Washington DC. I guess before 1776 the world was love and roses. And I am happy that all we need to do is remove the USA from the world and rainbows and unicorns will dominate. All of this seems to be the implications of certain idiots and the way they think the world works. No one else besides the USA ever does anything in the world, apparently, except react to the USA.
It's just so ignorant and tribal.
All you do is embarrass yourself and reveal how sheltered, provincial and prejudiced you are in your thinking with your posts. But don't worry, you're not alone. A lot of people share this tedious dimwitted recriminating way of looking at the world.
this is what happens when you don't cooperate with the Americans, the Europeans, the Turks, the Saudis, the Israelis, the Russians, the Chinese, etc...
there is a price to pay for forging a path that is hostile and has animosity to rest of the world. framing the situation as a country not blindly following just the USA is complete bullshit
the huge unnatural, external force in question is depending upon other nations, nations known to be hostile to your ideology, for essential services like printing money
what i am saying is the narrative of blame the west is fake and contrived. blame the iranians for the fruits of their own choices
being raped is no longer shameful but something for women to take pride in
i'm supposed to behave and be diplomatic in my responses, but for anyone to form the thought you just wrote requires a special combination of being a fucking moron and a sick douchebag all in one neat steaming pile
It is a phenomenon beyond anyone's control, and will be with us for sometime. As random as lightning strikes and just as easy to predict.
It exists to focus destruction on various targets, guided by an atavistic desire for justice and revenge without form or substance, as determined by complete whim. It's basically mob hysteria on a permanent rampage, galumphing across the Internet and reaching out to the real world in unpredictable ways. It targets what it considers evildoers, but it does it in the same way a bull targets a matador in a china shop. It is what it is, a force without reason and guided by whim and emotion.
As far as I can tell in terms of best approach to dealing with it, just stay the hell away from it and out of its path as best you can, and maybe as Internet and society continue to evolve together it will subside. Or get worse. Who knows.
you're right. i wouldn't believe you. a woman in a drunk and weakened state, there do exist men will in fact take this as license to do whatever they want despite her protestations and think they can get away with it. not that there don't exist women who cry false rape, but this is and always has been the minority of situations as compared to men who rape. in other words: rape is real. so are false allegations of rape. but false allegations real instances by a lot if not an order of magnitude. so anyone talking about rape in general (rather than specific instances) who is more interested in all of the supposed false allegations: sketchy, very sketchy
has precepts that disempower women and make them the virtual property of men
i really don't see how liberalism empowers men who prey on women, especially since liberal culture is more closely identified with female empowerment
this creep would be able to get away with abuse and bullying of girls and women in traditional conservative culture, and it would be accepted and swept under the rug. in fact, in traditional conservative culture, girls and women are often blamed for men's bad behavior, being temptresses, or some other blame the victim bullshit
note: if you visit http://timecube.com/ for the first time in a decade, like i just did, you discover that gene ray has been experimenting with javascript, but i don't think he got the effect he was looking for. i think he is trying to profit from clicks, but i think he mangled the code and you get a page redirect whenever you try to load his site. i guess deep knowledge of time cubez does not translate into mad html skillz
1. some asshole made a lame video about mohammad 2. somebody else waged violent protest and promised violence
#1 and #2 do not have anything to do with each other
I repeat: #1 and #2 do not have anything to with each other
but as soon as we say that #1 caused #2, we remove accountability and responsibility for personal actions. as soon as we do that, we can no longer adhere to morality, since morality (of ANY moral system in ANY culture in the world) pretty much requires personal accountability and personal responsibility in order to work
if we begin to say that a stupid lame video is a cause for someone's violent behavior, and not the person themselves, we get to say all sorts of outrageous things:
1. the wife beater is ok because it's the wife's fault for wearing that dress. 2. the hothead who shot up the disco is ok because it's the fault of the other man who insulted his manhood 3. the sicko who murdered the ten year girl old is ok because the ten year girl should not have smiled at him 4. the road rage perp who rammed your car is ok because it's your fault for cutting him off at the last light
etc., etc.
many things can set off an ignorant unstable hothead. the fault for what that hothead does still remains with the hothead, not the stimuli that set him off. it is required, REQUIRED, in all systems of human morality that your RESPONSE to a stimuli is entirely your fault, and not the fault to a stimuli
if some guy on halloween throws an egg out his car window and hits me in the face, i could respond a number of ways
1. wipe it off, move on 2. write down the license plate, report it to police 3. pull out a gun and shoot up his car
#3 as a response is what? without my fault? without my responsibility?
in a just and moral society, the kid in the car would be punished for throwing eggs at people. and the guy who responds by pulling a gun is punished much more severely for succumbing to lame provocation
what provokes you to commit a terrible act has no bearing on the fact you committed a terrible act
this statement is the only way we can ever talk about morality in this world, in any culture, at any time. this is absolute, not relative. no cultural relativistic mumbo jumbo that just amounts to lame patronization please
how you respond to provocation in life defines your maturity and morality. and as soon as we start making excuses for the immature and the immoral, this basically says moral behavior is not something we need to hold people accountable to
i hate the influence of corporations and the rich, turning my democracy into a plutocracy
however, i also understand that the venom coming out of tehran is real and significant, and so do the iranian people (2009? hello?)
in other words, it is possible to hate the plutocracy, and the theocracy, at the same time! you don't have to choose. really
it is a lame, contrived effort so many people undergo where they have to, for some incredibly lame reason i do not understand, choose one enemy of the people and excuse the other or minimize the threat from the other
why?!
now mod me down again slashdot groupthink. even though i am 100% correct. tribal groupthink is the source of the problem i am talking about
no, you legalize prostitution and regulate the high holy hell out of it. mandatory constant disease testing, heavily policing the organization structure (get rid of the mob, human trafficking, etc.)
now that i think about it, the ideal is free agents: women (and men) who choose the profession individually and freely, and function as individual business units. maybe the regulatory ideal is no business organizations allowed behind prostitution at all, period. it's not like we're talking about a business with start up costs
it always seem the organizations behind prostitution are the source of all the abuses. individual prostitutes on their own can get in and out of the business as their free will dictates, and this is as it should be
but what i don't understand about you is why you are so allergic to regulating prostitution and why it is so important to you to talk about regulations as separate from prostitution. whatever
i don't really understand the opinions in this thread, like yours, that never seem to take into account the ideology that the regime in tehran represents. in 2009, iranians tried to communicate to the regime and the world what they thought of it, and were brutally suppressed.
there's this fake shallow attitude where because the usa is hated, enemies of the usa must be championed. it's a tribal mentality where it has to be either "us" or "them" to side with. but actual principles would guide you to have antipathy to iran AND the usa. it is entirely possible to hate washington dc and tehran at the same time, often for the same reasons
nobody proves anything except the fact they falsely think contrarianism is somehow equivalent to intelligence when they give the regime in tehran a contrived benefit of the doubt. the usa commits plenty of crimes in this world. i repeat: the usa commits plenty of crimes in this world. but letting genuinely worse players slide in the name of shallow contrarianism doesn't prove much except your own lack of awareness of what actually plays out on the world stage and in iran. justice, fairness, a human conscience should be your primary concern when formulating your opinions. if these concepts were, you'd be denouncing tehran just as much if not moreso than washington dc. but so many chattering fools seem guided by the stupid notion that antipathy to washington dc means you have to let tehran off lightly
in the name of the iranian people, speak out against tehran. it doesn't mean you are a friend of washington dc. only dull tribal thinking makes you think it does
but this has been the human condition since day one, and will be the human condition long after you are gone, with any conceivable permutation on technology you can think of
and yet we were still able to create civilization and all the benefits of that and we still possess all the good qualities you hold dear
Slashdot Mirror
not very good at reading comprehension huh?
you honestly believe the USA should be to blame for things?
wow
are you trolling me?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
i know. isn't it lame that the USA hordes all the evil in the world? how do they get away with it? i mean other countries want to do things on their own initiative, but somehow the USA hacked the laws of free will and now all they are allowed to do is react to what the USA does. it's totally unfair man. all of the chains of cause and effect always seem to stop with the USA. this fool you are responding believes that this says more about how you think than it says about reality, but he's just a fascist neocon warmongering apologist, obviously. it's some sort of black magic dude the USA's got, what with the being the source of all evil in the world. keep up the fight brother!
It's really interesting to suggest to people obsessed with the USA that the USA is not the only country in the world that matters, and then basically get a reply that boils down to "no, the USA is the only country that matters."
It says more about your own psychology, your thinking amounts to tribal posturing of "us" and "them." You have a sheltered provincial worldview, not a grasp on reality with its profusion of independent players.
The Saudis and Turks thank you for patronizing and condescending to them and dismissing them as slaves. Especially as actually impartial viewers of world affairs have taken increasing note of the importance and value of the Turkish model of approaching the world.
But we have to suffer the fools. The mindless sheltered fools who think the USA is the only country that ever matters and everything that happens in the world can be creatively reinterpreted as an American action and therefore an American responsibility.
I did not know that all malice in the world flows from Washington DC. I guess before 1776 the world was love and roses. And I am happy that all we need to do is remove the USA from the world and rainbows and unicorns will dominate. All of this seems to be the implications of certain idiots and the way they think the world works. No one else besides the USA ever does anything in the world, apparently, except react to the USA.
It's just so ignorant and tribal.
All you do is embarrass yourself and reveal how sheltered, provincial and prejudiced you are in your thinking with your posts. But don't worry, you're not alone. A lot of people share this tedious dimwitted recriminating way of looking at the world.
it took away cooperation
and it took it away from the rest of the world
this is what happens when you don't cooperate with the Americans, the Europeans, the Turks, the Saudis, the Israelis, the Russians, the Chinese, etc...
there is a price to pay for forging a path that is hostile and has animosity to rest of the world. framing the situation as a country not blindly following just the USA is complete bullshit
the huge unnatural, external force in question is depending upon other nations, nations known to be hostile to your ideology, for essential services like printing money
what i am saying is the narrative of blame the west is fake and contrived. blame the iranians for the fruits of their own choices
Welcome to reality. People aren't dependable. There is no better deal. So tread with caution.
no. i believe rape should be illegal
being raped is no longer shameful but something for women to take pride in
i'm supposed to behave and be diplomatic in my responses, but for anyone to form the thought you just wrote requires a special combination of being a fucking moron and a sick douchebag all in one neat steaming pile
that is the next step. manipulation. silver tongued demagogues have been manipulating mob psychology for millennia to all sorts of nefarious goals
Anonymous will move from capricious force trying to work for justice without a head, to outright manipulated used tool
as in the biblical concept of a plague of demons
It is a phenomenon beyond anyone's control, and will be with us for sometime. As random as lightning strikes and just as easy to predict.
It exists to focus destruction on various targets, guided by an atavistic desire for justice and revenge without form or substance, as determined by complete whim. It's basically mob hysteria on a permanent rampage, galumphing across the Internet and reaching out to the real world in unpredictable ways. It targets what it considers evildoers, but it does it in the same way a bull targets a matador in a china shop. It is what it is, a force without reason and guided by whim and emotion.
As far as I can tell in terms of best approach to dealing with it, just stay the hell away from it and out of its path as best you can, and maybe as Internet and society continue to evolve together it will subside. Or get worse. Who knows.
you're right. i wouldn't believe you. a woman in a drunk and weakened state, there do exist men will in fact take this as license to do whatever they want despite her protestations and think they can get away with it. not that there don't exist women who cry false rape, but this is and always has been the minority of situations as compared to men who rape. in other words: rape is real. so are false allegations of rape. but false allegations real instances by a lot if not an order of magnitude. so anyone talking about rape in general (rather than specific instances) who is more interested in all of the supposed false allegations: sketchy, very sketchy
has precepts that disempower women and make them the virtual property of men
i really don't see how liberalism empowers men who prey on women, especially since liberal culture is more closely identified with female empowerment
this creep would be able to get away with abuse and bullying of girls and women in traditional conservative culture, and it would be accepted and swept under the rug. in fact, in traditional conservative culture, girls and women are often blamed for men's bad behavior, being temptresses, or some other blame the victim bullshit
why not build a time cube?
i know of a distinguished scientist who has spoken at numerous universities, including MIT, on his groundbreaking work in this area:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube#Public_reaction
note: if you visit http://timecube.com/ for the first time in a decade, like i just did, you discover that gene ray has been experimenting with javascript, but i don't think he got the effect he was looking for. i think he is trying to profit from clicks, but i think he mangled the code and you get a page redirect whenever you try to load his site. i guess deep knowledge of time cubez does not translate into mad html skillz
give all the money to the rich people and they'll hire us to wash their car
you can get angry, laugh, or, like me, weep at the fact so many morons actually swallowed this crap, as they lose their job
the greatest murderer of muslims in the muslim world is other muslims
i await your glorious response where this is still somehow the fault of the west (roll's eyes)
the west's problem is that it only focuses on western deaths at the hands of muslim extremists
yet orders of magnitude more muslims die at the hands of muslim extremists, and both the west, and the middle east, fails to show this
the west is not the problem. really. sorry
this is trickle down theory
i mean as applied to the consumer in this scenario, not as applied to the act of washing a car
1. some asshole made a lame video about mohammad
2. somebody else waged violent protest and promised violence
#1 and #2 do not have anything to do with each other
I repeat: #1 and #2 do not have anything to with each other
but as soon as we say that #1 caused #2, we remove accountability and responsibility for personal actions. as soon as we do that, we can no longer adhere to morality, since morality (of ANY moral system in ANY culture in the world) pretty much requires personal accountability and personal responsibility in order to work
if we begin to say that a stupid lame video is a cause for someone's violent behavior, and not the person themselves, we get to say all sorts of outrageous things:
1. the wife beater is ok because it's the wife's fault for wearing that dress.
2. the hothead who shot up the disco is ok because it's the fault of the other man who insulted his manhood
3. the sicko who murdered the ten year girl old is ok because the ten year girl should not have smiled at him
4. the road rage perp who rammed your car is ok because it's your fault for cutting him off at the last light
etc., etc.
many things can set off an ignorant unstable hothead. the fault for what that hothead does still remains with the hothead, not the stimuli that set him off. it is required, REQUIRED, in all systems of human morality that your RESPONSE to a stimuli is entirely your fault, and not the fault to a stimuli
if some guy on halloween throws an egg out his car window and hits me in the face, i could respond a number of ways
1. wipe it off, move on
2. write down the license plate, report it to police
3. pull out a gun and shoot up his car
#3 as a response is what? without my fault? without my responsibility?
in a just and moral society, the kid in the car would be punished for throwing eggs at people. and the guy who responds by pulling a gun is punished much more severely for succumbing to lame provocation
what provokes you to commit a terrible act has no bearing on the fact you committed a terrible act
this statement is the only way we can ever talk about morality in this world, in any culture, at any time. this is absolute, not relative. no cultural relativistic mumbo jumbo that just amounts to lame patronization please
how you respond to provocation in life defines your maturity and morality. and as soon as we start making excuses for the immature and the immoral, this basically says moral behavior is not something we need to hold people accountable to
and then what kind of society do we have?
doesn't work
brazil has compulsory voting. what happens is people vote for joke candidates or Bart Simpson
you can't force people to care
you can only say to them the simple fact that because they don't care is the source of our problems. and hope they grow the fuck up
i hate the influence of corporations and the rich, turning my democracy into a plutocracy
however, i also understand that the venom coming out of tehran is real and significant, and so do the iranian people (2009? hello?)
in other words, it is possible to hate the plutocracy, and the theocracy, at the same time! you don't have to choose. really
it is a lame, contrived effort so many people undergo where they have to, for some incredibly lame reason i do not understand, choose one enemy of the people and excuse the other or minimize the threat from the other
why?!
now mod me down again slashdot groupthink. even though i am 100% correct. tribal groupthink is the source of the problem i am talking about
no. just vote
and get very angry at people who don't vote, for whatever contrived, lame reason they have
nonvoting assholes are why the government we have is not a close representation of the people
no, you legalize prostitution and regulate the high holy hell out of it. mandatory constant disease testing, heavily policing the organization structure (get rid of the mob, human trafficking, etc.)
now that i think about it, the ideal is free agents: women (and men) who choose the profession individually and freely, and function as individual business units. maybe the regulatory ideal is no business organizations allowed behind prostitution at all, period. it's not like we're talking about a business with start up costs
it always seem the organizations behind prostitution are the source of all the abuses. individual prostitutes on their own can get in and out of the business as their free will dictates, and this is as it should be
but what i don't understand about you is why you are so allergic to regulating prostitution and why it is so important to you to talk about regulations as separate from prostitution. whatever
i don't really understand the opinions in this thread, like yours, that never seem to take into account the ideology that the regime in tehran represents. in 2009, iranians tried to communicate to the regime and the world what they thought of it, and were brutally suppressed.
there's this fake shallow attitude where because the usa is hated, enemies of the usa must be championed. it's a tribal mentality where it has to be either "us" or "them" to side with. but actual principles would guide you to have antipathy to iran AND the usa. it is entirely possible to hate washington dc and tehran at the same time, often for the same reasons
nobody proves anything except the fact they falsely think contrarianism is somehow equivalent to intelligence when they give the regime in tehran a contrived benefit of the doubt. the usa commits plenty of crimes in this world. i repeat: the usa commits plenty of crimes in this world. but letting genuinely worse players slide in the name of shallow contrarianism doesn't prove much except your own lack of awareness of what actually plays out on the world stage and in iran. justice, fairness, a human conscience should be your primary concern when formulating your opinions. if these concepts were, you'd be denouncing tehran just as much if not moreso than washington dc. but so many chattering fools seem guided by the stupid notion that antipathy to washington dc means you have to let tehran off lightly
in the name of the iranian people, speak out against tehran. it doesn't mean you are a friend of washington dc. only dull tribal thinking makes you think it does
but this has been the human condition since day one, and will be the human condition long after you are gone, with any conceivable permutation on technology you can think of
and yet we were still able to create civilization and all the benefits of that and we still possess all the good qualities you hold dear