The tools could just as easily been written for X11 and be portable.
A "technical" reason for those keeping score would be like NFS support or multi-threading or preemption or virtual memory or efficiency or... Those are the REAL technical reasons to make judgements on. And the fact of the matter is Linux can handle it all just fine and dandy.
Artificial bullshit reasons like "we only make win32 software" isn't a technical reason. Nor would I support people like that. Make your tools portable or I walk.
When you get right down to it, 99% of user applications are just number crunchers. From photoshop filters to verilog compilers to FPGA place/routers to C compilers to... it's all just for loops, if statements and memory accesses.
Nothing that Linux or Windows inherently favours [well except process spawning favours Linux].
That's not a fault of Linux though. It's been around for over a decade and is a rock solid operating system.
The reason games are not largely available for Linux OSes is not because Linux can't technically support them [e.g. hardware, APIs, etc]. It's that the developers write non-portable D3D code for uncle bill. You'd have a point if the Linux kernel or other OSS tools purposefully made it hard to write games for Linux. But that simply is not the case.
If you're upset or angry blame the developers who write non-portable code. Blame the device manufacturers who don't document their interfaces, etc, etc.
And buy games and windows is just supporting their tactics and is really lame. Have some self-control already and put some money into the protest. If people moved to console or portable games and stayed clear of Win32-only games it would send a message that people are tired of being forced to use an inferior platform just for the pleasure of blowing up some poor sod.
Because the Linux based workstations are easier to work with? Multiple desktops, competent shells and the ability to upgrade at will makes OSS based workstations cheaper and more effective.
But you're saying because Windows has paired with Dell to form a monopoly resulting in cheap [but seriously bound] windows licenses that's a good thing?
Linux? What's that? Nobody uses Linux because the cards don't work there! Linux can't handle an IOMEM port and an interrupt it's just unfathonable!:-)
That said I have no clue. I've long since stopped caring about ATI products since they told me my ATI RADEON MOBILITY U1 [listed on their website] graphics chip in my laptop was not an ATI GPU and they wouldn't support it.
Maybe they'll release the interface specifications and let an OSS developer make a free driver?
I'm not saying the PSP is perfect nor am I saying the DS is a bust.
I'm saying the games that have come out for the DS so far are largely a bust. With a few notable exceptions [AW, Nintendogs and maybe Mario64] they're all fairly lame in the technical department.
I like the DS platform, no moving parts, built in screen cover, longer battery life, interesting dual screen setup, etc. I truly do.
Allegro is just fine, though admitedly it's mostly for 2D games.
But it's people like you who just outright dismiss all the other libraries cuz it may mean you have to admit you're wrong.
If Doom3, Quake4 and UT2k4 can work in Linux and still look, sound, feel awesome [and just like their Win32 counterparts] why can't you make a game like that?
The "myth" that Linux doesn't support gaming is just that a Myth.
Now just admit your fucking wrong and go about your way.
There is no reason why those tools couldn't be made cross-platform other than the complete incompetence of the developers on the other end.
This is like the verilog tools I've seen that only work in Redhat because they link against specific C++ libraries which Redhat munges [they rename a few key symbols]. There is no reason why they wouldn't work in debian or Gentoo except for the fact they never tried.
Your CAD tools could work just fine in X11 had the developer chosen a more portable development platform [hint: many platforms including Windows support X11].
I can max out my drives throughput over NFS from one RAID to another [which is about 28MiB/sec sustained btw] on gigabit ethernet.
As for security it's true that you generally have to trust the remote site but that's the point. You can restrict NFS to given users though most people don't. I wouldn't put a properly secured NFS on an outside machine anyways. That's just asking for trouble. At anyrate it isn't like Samba is any better.
Maybe the people you "heard" this from weren't using decent equipment? I'm using SK98 compatible cards and WD drives in Linux 2.6.x on a dlink gigabit switch. The SK98 cards are CHEAP compared to most gige equipment and still get wicked good performance.
I own a DS and an SP and a GPA and a PSP and a PS2 and an XBOX, etc...
That said, how does it feel to be an ignorant little nintendo fanboi? Does your ass hurt?
I may like some of the DS games [so far] but I don't blinding sit there and call shit good because they took a previously released game and put polish on it.
At least the PSP port of GTA has a new story line and looks good [a lot better than the average DS game].
I might add that Linux has better support for RAID than Windows [which has little to none] and that you can easily tarball your filesystem for an immediate restore.
Can't do that in windows.:-)
That also makes ghosting easier. Oh and I might add... all with FREELY AVAILABLE TOOLS. No shelling out for "Norton Ghost" when tar + bzip2 will do all you need.
I can't think of one thing windows does better in the desktop or server market that Linux [and the scores of OSS tools] can't totally do better.
File store? Nope. NFS. Web server? Nope. Apache DB server? Nope. MySQL, Oracle and postgres. Print server? Nope. Cups. NAT router/firewall? Nope. Iptables Media box? Nope. X11 + mplayer + apache == remotely controlable media box workstation? Nope. X11 + Gnome + openoffice + cvs + latex +... +... +...
etc, etc, etc
If some twit half-wit can't sort out how to install Gentoo on a box and then claims windows is superior because of it... then the study isn't worth much now is it?
Name one thing you can do on a windows desktop that you can't [for technical reasons] do on a Linux powered one?
oooh bends in the road. Also known as "low poly count objects".
The game may be fun for the average 8 yr old. It sure was WHEN I PLAYED IT THE FIRST TIME 15 YEARS AGO.
Point is nintendo has a long track record of cheap equipment and half-ass replay games. That's why they make a profit. They're selling yesterdays technology with yesteryears games.
Let's put some money on a new series?
I think the DS is semi decent but the games so far really lack in terms of quality. Compare GTA for the PSP against say one of the "two" street racing games. There is no fucking comparison.
Compare ATV to kart... no comparison, etc...
Seriously dude, get yerself a PSP and admire the "this century" feel of the games.
Those who pick the metrics always win the pissing match.
But my questions are: What do you hope to achieve from the study? To dissuade people from Linux and somehow get it shut down? Would the world be better served by a Windows only market?
And an additional would be: How do you suppose to convince all the people who have switched from Windows to Linux and stayed there BECAUSE it met [or exceeded] their needs that Windows is actually the better technical choice?
And last would be: How does it feel to sell your soul to the devil?:-)
Tom
N.B. Seeing how this will get modded -5, stupid I'll also add who cares what some study says. I'm sitting here RIGHT NOW at my Gentoo desktop, I work with my Gentoo computer farm daily. The study could say anything it wants but at the end of the day I get a lot of work done with my Gentoo Linux powered computers.
Haven't played it but I generally hate racing games [game lengtheners used too much]. I'm waiting for tony hawk though. I like those series mostly because of the freestyle stuff.
Little tip: Put your Advance wars GBA cart in when playing the DS one then head to the shop:-)
cpuid is an unprivileged instruction and anyone can issue it [it won't cause a fault].
Mostly likely "cat/proc/cpuinfo" will be enough to catch the fraud in action.
Failing that another quick tests is to just measure the RDTSC [another unprivileged instruction] for a second. Faking that is not as easy as it's just a running counter which has to be accurate [as many OSes use it as a time source].
Failing that you can just do latency tests and see where the latency jumps up.
Point is, you can determine if your CPU is a fake. Problem is, by time you do that it's probably too late.
I develop software FROM HOME for a living. Hundreds of developers actively use software I give out for free and millions of people use it daily.
I think I passed it:-)
And while I was in the gifted program for a semseter I DO NOT look back on it fondly. Which is why I took to self-study in high school. I got more of a kick out of learning why RSA works or what differential cryptanalysis was than thinking "look how gifted I am!"
To paraphrase "it's not the size of your brain that matters, it's how you use it."
If you find me a super gifted student who can't think of a project to work on, how smart are they then? Maybe they're just bright immature kids?
Sorry I just don't buy it. The whole point of being taken out of the regular curriculum is that it doesn't offer ANYTHING AT ALL to the student. If the student can't develop on their won clearly that's not the case.
Having dealt with the "gifted kids" in my grade 1-8 classes I can safely say most of their "boredom" comes from being immature [to their defense they were kids...]. Yeah most of them fared fairly well in class getting usually +80% on tests but ONLY AFTER sitting through the entire semester.
So they're BRIGHT kids who pick up stuff. They're not just born with all the knowledge of the world and most of them couldn't be arsed to self-study. Just because you regularly ace tests doesn't mean you don't need to be in the class. It just means you're picking up the material very well.
And frankly, I'd rather see money spent on the 99.5% of the rest of the school population who aren't getting straight A's in all their classes. E.g. tutors, new text/work books, etc.
Spending extra money on the few who are super bright isn't fair to the rest of the population.
Hence my comment. Find your own way to keep occupied.
I mean I was a 60% student in most classes. My IQ [online test 5 years ago] was measured at 130. I still sat there bored to tears in some classes. I was known as the kid who read TAOCP in stats class:-) I worked on my own programming puzzles in comp.sci, I taught myself elementary number theory at age 17, etc...
So if myself, a 60% student [by volume, hehehe], could both pass high school and teach myself basic number theory, various programming languages [not to mention I had experience with a dozen 8-bit MCUs by time I was 16], stats, computer science, etc, why can't a super-bright gifted student?
The number one way to find projects to work on is to know what sort of things are "problems". And you only know that when you actually know subject matter.
For instance, one clever set of problems in Calculus were the rates of change problems. I didn't know they were a problem to solve until the teacher showed us. A gifted student who "is soooo bored" and "doesn't need to be there" would already be aware of rates of change, or multi-variate calculus, or organic chemistry, or algebraic numbery theory, or...
Point is the kids DON'T know everything and THAT'S why they can't come up with projects to work on their own.
I still think if you take a handful of super gifted highly bored kids and just say "fine, here's the exam" you'll see students who don't get straight 100%'s as a result.
While I'll agree there is a certain level of repetition some students would find tedious it isn't the end of the fucking world. What do you think you'll be doing in the real world? Somedays at my previous job I would run the same test 100s of times trying to iron out kinks [and also throw in some false positive tests].
You don't always get your way.
And this "the material is beneath me" bullshit is just that. If you were so above the material you could just take all the exams for the class and pass instantly right?
And frankly so what. You had to do a lot of multiplication. Did the teacher tell you "you may not self-study at home"?
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Why are interface protocols "trade secrets". You bought the fucking hardware. You're saying you don't have a right to use it?
If your only product value lies in a cryptic undocumented port interface then you really don't have something of value now do you?
Knowing how to switch video resolution or draw a polygon doesn't amount to knowing how to design a GPU pipeline. I'm sorry but there is no comparison.
That's like knowing the x86 ISA means you know how to duplicate an Athlon.
Tom
Such as what?
... Those are the REAL technical reasons to make judgements on. And the fact of the matter is Linux can handle it all just fine and dandy.
... it's all just for loops, if statements and memory accesses.
And don't say the tools.
The tools could just as easily been written for X11 and be portable.
A "technical" reason for those keeping score would be like NFS support or multi-threading or preemption or virtual memory or efficiency or
Artificial bullshit reasons like "we only make win32 software" isn't a technical reason. Nor would I support people like that. Make your tools portable or I walk.
When you get right down to it, 99% of user applications are just number crunchers. From photoshop filters to verilog compilers to FPGA place/routers to C compilers to
Nothing that Linux or Windows inherently favours [well except process spawning favours Linux].
Tom
That's not a fault of Linux though. It's been around for over a decade and is a rock solid operating system.
The reason games are not largely available for Linux OSes is not because Linux can't technically support them [e.g. hardware, APIs, etc]. It's that the developers write non-portable D3D code for uncle bill. You'd have a point if the Linux kernel or other OSS tools purposefully made it hard to write games for Linux. But that simply is not the case.
If you're upset or angry blame the developers who write non-portable code. Blame the device manufacturers who don't document their interfaces, etc, etc.
And buy games and windows is just supporting their tactics and is really lame. Have some self-control already and put some money into the protest. If people moved to console or portable games and stayed clear of Win32-only games it would send a message that people are tired of being forced to use an inferior platform just for the pleasure of blowing up some poor sod.
Tom
Well, 3 post ago you were pretending that MK was a mode 7 game.
You are, indeed, ignorant.
It's isn't exactly a huge leap up from mode 7 games. You're behind the racer on tracks that are mostly flat with slight bends in them. Whoopy!
And not being a savant on MK doesn't make me ignorant. It makes me bitter and pissed off.
Tom
Because the Linux based workstations are easier to work with? Multiple desktops, competent shells and the ability to upgrade at will makes OSS based workstations cheaper and more effective.
But you're saying because Windows has paired with Dell to form a monopoly resulting in cheap [but seriously bound] windows licenses that's a good thing?
Sure ok.
Tom
Linux? What's that? Nobody uses Linux because the cards don't work there! Linux can't handle an IOMEM port and an interrupt it's just unfathonable! :-)
That said I have no clue. I've long since stopped caring about ATI products since they told me my ATI RADEON MOBILITY U1 [listed on their website] graphics chip in my laptop was not an ATI GPU and they wouldn't support it.
Maybe they'll release the interface specifications and let an OSS developer make a free driver?
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Tom
I'm not saying the PSP is perfect nor am I saying the DS is a bust.
I'm saying the games that have come out for the DS so far are largely a bust. With a few notable exceptions [AW, Nintendogs and maybe Mario64] they're all fairly lame in the technical department.
I like the DS platform, no moving parts, built in screen cover, longer battery life, interesting dual screen setup, etc. I truly do.
I just hate the games so far.
Tom
Allegro is just fine, though admitedly it's mostly for 2D games.
But it's people like you who just outright dismiss all the other libraries cuz it may mean you have to admit you're wrong.
If Doom3, Quake4 and UT2k4 can work in Linux and still look, sound, feel awesome [and just like their Win32 counterparts] why can't you make a game like that?
The "myth" that Linux doesn't support gaming is just that a Myth.
Now just admit your fucking wrong and go about your way.
Tom
There is no reason why those tools couldn't be made cross-platform other than the complete incompetence of the developers on the other end.
This is like the verilog tools I've seen that only work in Redhat because they link against specific C++ libraries which Redhat munges [they rename a few key symbols]. There is no reason why they wouldn't work in debian or Gentoo except for the fact they never tried.
Your CAD tools could work just fine in X11 had the developer chosen a more portable development platform [hint: many platforms including Windows support X11].
Tom
I can max out my drives throughput over NFS from one RAID to another [which is about 28MiB/sec sustained btw] on gigabit ethernet.
As for security it's true that you generally have to trust the remote site but that's the point. You can restrict NFS to given users though most people don't. I wouldn't put a properly secured NFS on an outside machine anyways. That's just asking for trouble. At anyrate it isn't like Samba is any better.
Maybe the people you "heard" this from weren't using decent equipment? I'm using SK98 compatible cards and WD drives in Linux 2.6.x on a dlink gigabit switch. The SK98 cards are CHEAP compared to most gige equipment and still get wicked good performance.
Tom
I own a DS and an SP and a GPA and a PSP and a PS2 and an XBOX, etc...
That said, how does it feel to be an ignorant little nintendo fanboi? Does your ass hurt?
I may like some of the DS games [so far] but I don't blinding sit there and call shit good because they took a previously released game and put polish on it.
At least the PSP port of GTA has a new story line and looks good [a lot better than the average DS game].
Tom
Technical reason.
Developers just not targetting it is not it. It isn't like multimedia libraries don't exist for many platforms including Linux.
It's FUD spreading people like you who give OSS projects bad press. Go stand in the corner and think of what you did.
Tom
I might add that Linux has better support for RAID than Windows [which has little to none] and that you can easily tarball your filesystem for an immediate restore.
:-)
... all with FREELY AVAILABLE TOOLS. No shelling out for "Norton Ghost" when tar + bzip2 will do all you need.
Can't do that in windows.
That also makes ghosting easier. Oh and I might add
Tom
blah blah blah.
... + ... + ...
I can't think of one thing windows does better in the desktop or server market that Linux [and the scores of OSS tools] can't totally do better.
File store? Nope. NFS.
Web server? Nope. Apache
DB server? Nope. MySQL, Oracle and postgres.
Print server? Nope. Cups.
NAT router/firewall? Nope. Iptables
Media box? Nope. X11 + mplayer + apache == remotely controlable media box
workstation? Nope. X11 + Gnome + openoffice + cvs + latex +
etc, etc, etc
If some twit half-wit can't sort out how to install Gentoo on a box and then claims windows is superior because of it... then the study isn't worth much now is it?
Name one thing you can do on a windows desktop that you can't [for technical reasons] do on a Linux powered one?
Tom
Go ... get ... some ... ATV screen shots....
... no comparison, etc...
oooh bends in the road. Also known as "low poly count objects".
The game may be fun for the average 8 yr old. It sure was WHEN I PLAYED IT THE FIRST TIME 15 YEARS AGO.
Point is nintendo has a long track record of cheap equipment and half-ass replay games. That's why they make a profit. They're selling yesterdays technology with yesteryears games.
Let's put some money on a new series?
I think the DS is semi decent but the games so far really lack in terms of quality. Compare GTA for the PSP against say one of the "two" street racing games. There is no fucking comparison.
Compare ATV to kart
Seriously dude, get yerself a PSP and admire the "this century" feel of the games.
Tom
Those who pick the metrics always win the pissing match.
:-)
But my questions are: What do you hope to achieve from the study? To dissuade people from Linux and somehow get it shut down? Would the world be better served by a Windows only market?
And an additional would be: How do you suppose to convince all the people who have switched from Windows to Linux and stayed there BECAUSE it met [or exceeded] their needs that Windows is actually the better technical choice?
And last would be: How does it feel to sell your soul to the devil?
Tom
N.B. Seeing how this will get modded -5, stupid I'll also add who cares what some study says. I'm sitting here RIGHT NOW at my Gentoo desktop, I work with my Gentoo computer farm daily. The study could say anything it wants but at the end of the day I get a lot of work done with my Gentoo Linux powered computers.
I'll wait till I see hills and other details in the terrain.
Even on the GC the mario lart was fairly limited. F-ZERO has more twists and what not than this game.
Compare ATV offroad to mario kart. Which one has more detailed and involved terrains?
Tom
Haven't played it but I generally hate racing games [game lengtheners used too much]. I'm waiting for tony hawk though. I like those series mostly because of the freestyle stuff.
:-)
... :-)
Little tip: Put your Advance wars GBA cart in when playing the DS one then head to the shop
Tom -- AW player too
Another mode7 video game! Oh boy it sure is nice to live in 1991!
Dear Nintendo,
Please make a new game that wasn't on the SNES back when I was a 9 yr old kid.
Sincerely,
A 23 yr old gamer who wants something a little more creative.
IIRC "PC CHIPS" sold boards with 486s and munged the BIOS to make the L2 cache report something like 256KB even though the IC was just empty.
Tom
cpuid is an unprivileged instruction and anyone can issue it [it won't cause a fault].
/proc/cpuinfo" will be enough to catch the fraud in action.
Mostly likely "cat
Failing that another quick tests is to just measure the RDTSC [another unprivileged instruction] for a second. Faking that is not as easy as it's just a running counter which has to be accurate [as many OSes use it as a time source].
Failing that you can just do latency tests and see where the latency jumps up.
Point is, you can determine if your CPU is a fake. Problem is, by time you do that it's probably too late.
Tom
I failed it?
:-)
I develop software FROM HOME for a living. Hundreds of developers actively use software I give out for free and millions of people use it daily.
I think I passed it
And while I was in the gifted program for a semseter I DO NOT look back on it fondly. Which is why I took to self-study in high school. I got more of a kick out of learning why RSA works or what differential cryptanalysis was than thinking "look how gifted I am!"
To paraphrase "it's not the size of your brain that matters, it's how you use it."
If you find me a super gifted student who can't think of a project to work on, how smart are they then? Maybe they're just bright immature kids?
Tom
Sorry I just don't buy it. The whole point of being taken out of the regular curriculum is that it doesn't offer ANYTHING AT ALL to the student. If the student can't develop on their won clearly that's not the case.
:-) I worked on my own programming puzzles in comp.sci, I taught myself elementary number theory at age 17, etc...
Having dealt with the "gifted kids" in my grade 1-8 classes I can safely say most of their "boredom" comes from being immature [to their defense they were kids...]. Yeah most of them fared fairly well in class getting usually +80% on tests but ONLY AFTER sitting through the entire semester.
So they're BRIGHT kids who pick up stuff. They're not just born with all the knowledge of the world and most of them couldn't be arsed to self-study. Just because you regularly ace tests doesn't mean you don't need to be in the class. It just means you're picking up the material very well.
And frankly, I'd rather see money spent on the 99.5% of the rest of the school population who aren't getting straight A's in all their classes. E.g. tutors, new text/work books, etc.
Spending extra money on the few who are super bright isn't fair to the rest of the population.
Hence my comment. Find your own way to keep occupied.
I mean I was a 60% student in most classes. My IQ [online test 5 years ago] was measured at 130. I still sat there bored to tears in some classes. I was known as the kid who read TAOCP in stats class
So if myself, a 60% student [by volume, hehehe], could both pass high school and teach myself basic number theory, various programming languages [not to mention I had experience with a dozen 8-bit MCUs by time I was 16], stats, computer science, etc, why can't a super-bright gifted student?
Tom
The number one way to find projects to work on is to know what sort of things are "problems". And you only know that when you actually know subject matter.
...
For instance, one clever set of problems in Calculus were the rates of change problems. I didn't know they were a problem to solve until the teacher showed us. A gifted student who "is soooo bored" and "doesn't need to be there" would already be aware of rates of change, or multi-variate calculus, or organic chemistry, or algebraic numbery theory, or
Point is the kids DON'T know everything and THAT'S why they can't come up with projects to work on their own.
I still think if you take a handful of super gifted highly bored kids and just say "fine, here's the exam" you'll see students who don't get straight 100%'s as a result.
Tom
While I'll agree there is a certain level of repetition some students would find tedious it isn't the end of the fucking world. What do you think you'll be doing in the real world? Somedays at my previous job I would run the same test 100s of times trying to iron out kinks [and also throw in some false positive tests].
You don't always get your way.
And this "the material is beneath me" bullshit is just that. If you were so above the material you could just take all the exams for the class and pass instantly right?
And frankly so what. You had to do a lot of multiplication. Did the teacher tell you "you may not self-study at home"?
Tom