BitMover can license BK any way they wish. Which apparently now includes not giving it out for free. If you bought a copy of BK or had one previously you can legally reverse engineer it.
That says nothing to the legality of BM changing the license on BK now...
Stop mixing the wishes of a *privately* owned company and the laws of the united states of america.
It's not unlawful what they're doing to BK... It just isn't supported by the *privately* owned company.
Maybe BitMover doesn't want clones of BitKeeper that are based on their software? Maybe they don't like the politics of the OSDL. Maybe they hate you specifically...
Point is it's their software todo with as they please.
Being "wrong" and being supported are two different things.
I don't think mormons are "wrong" but I also don't give them money, time, etc either.
BK is a company with some employees [or so I'm told] and they sell a tool they let the OSS community use for free. Some asshat thought it would be cool to subvert BKs goals. So BK is not supporting OSS anymore.
It would be different if BK was filing a lawsuit or something. Cuz then yeah I'd say GFY to BK.
Would you support a group who is actively undermining your business model?
That'd be like Linus paying for people who make contra-GPL rips of Linux...
People want to figure out how to break the license to effectively use unauthorized copies of BitKeeper. Why else would you reverse engineer it? And we're supposed to be surprised when they pull support?
Well the third revision of Prescott [E0] is much better from what I read [and will find out today when I pick up the box;-)].
What gave AMD a kick from K7 to K8 was the lower voltage [1.1-1.5v instead of 1.6v], probably more efficient transistors [e.g. less leakage], oh, and an integrated heat spreader...
Instead of having the only contact be a tiny little die you spread it out before you even touch the HSF.
You can still get several Ghz components and not have too much temp. It's about spacing. If you cluster them you're gonna burst into flames.
Just because the CPU is running at X Hz doesn't mean every discrete component is running at that speed. For instance the ALUs on the P4 actually work at 2x the clock rate... so a 3Ghz P4 has 6Ghz components. The scheduling buffers of any OOE processor probably work at more than clock rate, etc...
Intel's problem with Prescott is they wanted to jump into 0.09um before it was stable enough. My last P4 [which I sold to a friend] was a 2.8Ghz Northwood. It idled at 35C and ran "busy" at 52C. When I get my prescott tonight I'll see how it compares..
"recent shuttle accident" was on an aging design that they couldn't keep maintained...
Keep in mind that absent the absolute control over all variables pretty much anything [including space travel] involves a whole heap of "luck" along with that over engineering.
Ever been in a plane? Prove that it was impossible for it to crash.
I seem to recall stories a few months ago about it...
Eitherway, stupid users can darwin their cell phones. So long as they don't add to the email spam problem I don't care!
BTW [ot] if you want to have a lot of fun with spam, open a yahoo account, post the address in a bunch of usenet forums, turn off spam filtering and wait a couple of weeks.
Then open up your inbox (which will likely have around 1500 spams in it) and sort based on subject.
Seeing 23 "CONGRATUALATIONS" in a row is just hilarious...
... 15 years ago "dongles" were the wave of the future. I have yet to see one actually in use in the last decade or so.
DRM as we know it today is not the first time they tried this. The software industry has it's fair share. E.g. programs which would hide data in "bad sectors" on disks, use phrases from the manual, etc...
I did "average" in high school and well in most classes in college. In high school I was the type to find "the homework" boring but I would show up 10 mins early before an afternoon class to talk with the teacher about something I learned on the side [e.g. something I read in a paper or TAOCP or something].
To me I used my teachers as a resource. sure I participated in class (at one point in biology I was consistently one chapter ahead in the reading which drove the teacher mad during Q/A periods) but I really looked forward to just asking them question that weren't "in the book".
Or just be smart and not use wifi if it's a threat....
At my house the neighbours don't have wifi so we leave WEP off. I ssh to my boxes and scp files... so the transfers are encrypted/mac'ed.
If my neighbours started messing with my wifi I would just a) burn their houses down and failing that b) stop using wifi and use the HORDES OF EXISTING CAT-5 IN MY HOUSE!
Oh I totally agree. But the fact that I was never given a chance... I mean if I had a track record for being an ass at the office... that's one thing...
But I'm fresh out of college and so far I do have a job but it's not from who I would have thought [yes I work in software...].
(perspective)I didn't write my libraries to get jobs. I did think it would help though... (/perspective)
Believe it or not but DRM is not the only line of work out there. What happens 10 years from now when we win and DRM is abolished? And believe it or not not everyone knows about him [enough to be comfortable to hire him].
Because he skipped out on school and college he lacks a formal training [at least background] in
- algebra - calculus - algorithms - data structures - compiler theory - literature [which is important sadly] -...etc...
Not every job he gets will amount to "s/jnz/jmp/"'ing some assembler dump to work around a DRM call or something...
At some point he may apply for a job for which some actual education is important and he'll find himself out in the cold.
So what. I wrote an entire BBS when I was 12 [going on 13 at the time] in pascal while teaching myself C, I was reading TAOCP and understanding quite a bit at age 17...
By 2002 [when I hit 20] my LibTomCrypt library had already international attention behind it. I've since traveled the to europe twice, been to california twice on various work related contracts because of the attention I got.
He's not the only kid with "neato hobbies".
What makes him so special is he got sued. I'm sure if RSA or something tried to sue me that would make me "uber slashdot cool" and you know what... I'd still go to college.
Cuz despite all the bitching and moaning you do learn things. Sure a good 30% or so of my teachers were clueless, but you still pick up things you wouldn't on your own in an unstructured environment.
Does JJ know calculus? Alegbra? Chemistry? Literature?... these are all things you do in high school and college.
Sure you can teach yourself math [for instance] but the likelyhood of missing key concepts is much higher [and it takes longer to learn the basics in my experience with crypto for instance...].
If anything he should have leveraged his fame to get scholarships or something. At least that would be productive...
That and they couldn't push the latest pixel cruncher when the display on your headset would be at most ~640x480... a GeForce 3 can push that just easily... there would be no demand for 1600 by a billion pixel screens with gouraud shaded phong shaded radiosity effects... on the culled faces... let's not get talking about the exposed faces...
All about supply and demand.
There is a demand for the latest pixel pusher and not for the actual innovation...
This is why most cpu lines are redundant... a 2 and 2.2 Ghz Athlon64 are essentially the same cpu, will get roughly the same performance on >70% of all tasks a user does, etc... but you have to have the latest.
The innovation happens a little here and a little there and inbetween they fill it up with small increments with small returns.
To be honest my most impressive move was from a 486SLC [low power SX clone] to a MI @166. It was night and day. From that to a MII 300 [233Mhz] was another nice but smaller increment. [since then I had a K6-2 350Mhz, Athlon 1.2 - 1.8Ghz, Athlon Barton 2.2, P4 Northwood 2.8 and finally a NewCastle 3200+].
My last "significant jump" was from the P4 to the AMD64. The raw ALU power of this thing is amazing. It beats out other computers in my house by usually a factor of 2x or more when compiling [my LibTomCrypt if you're curious...] and holds it own on the power/heat front [cooler than a 2.8Ghz Northwood which had a louder HSF].
So the quick answer is: The market don't swing that way.
For me the paper was largely useless to start with. The point is people really are asshats and will simply stroke you off for not being comformant with "the list".
I have companies like IBM, Sony, BitMover, etc... using my software and yet I'm unfit to work for them... That basically tells you that the people who "do work" and the people who "do hiring" are not the same and don't talk.
Not trying to ride on JJ but if he's trying to be hip by saying "school is useless"... well it proves how immature he is. School is as useful as you make it. If you just treat it as a 9-5 it can be very ineffective. But if you treat is as playground of knowledge and use the time to learn as much as possible you leave school with the ability to pick up new things, etc, etc, etc..
Possible but riding his "I wrote decss" thingy won't always pay off.
And when he's forced to apply for a job through normal avenues [cuz let's be honest decss is cool but not the be-all of the computer industry] he'll get the HR run-around.
The best thing he can do is at the very least get a community college diploma or something. That way he has "some paper".
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BitMover can license BK any way they wish. Which apparently now includes not giving it out for free. If you bought a copy of BK or had one previously you can legally reverse engineer it.
That says nothing to the legality of BM changing the license on BK now...
Tom
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... It just isn't supported by the *privately* owned company.
Stop mixing the wishes of a *privately* owned company and the laws of the united states of america.
It's not unlawful what they're doing to BK
Maybe BitMover doesn't want clones of BitKeeper that are based on their software? Maybe they don't like the politics of the OSDL. Maybe they hate you specifically...
Point is it's their software todo with as they please.
Tom
Being "wrong" and being supported are two different things.
I don't think mormons are "wrong" but I also don't give them money, time, etc either.
BK is a company with some employees [or so I'm told] and they sell a tool they let the OSS community use for free. Some asshat thought it would be cool to subvert BKs goals. So BK is not supporting OSS anymore.
It would be different if BK was filing a lawsuit or something. Cuz then yeah I'd say GFY to BK.
Tom
Ok, could you at least not advertise SCAMS? like "free ipod" list scams...
I mean you might as well sell crack to children or something...
Tom
The advertisements at the top are annoying. This isn't slashme this is slashdot.
Peddle your warez elsewhere [e.g. STOP SPAMMING SLASHDOT].
Tom
classic knee jerk response...
Would you support a group who is actively undermining your business model?
That'd be like Linus paying for people who make contra-GPL rips of Linux...
People want to figure out how to break the license to effectively use unauthorized copies of BitKeeper. Why else would you reverse engineer it? And we're supposed to be surprised when they pull support?
Tom
Well the third revision of Prescott [E0] is much better from what I read [and will find out today when I pick up the box ;-)].
What gave AMD a kick from K7 to K8 was the lower voltage [1.1-1.5v instead of 1.6v], probably more efficient transistors [e.g. less leakage], oh, and an integrated heat spreader...
Instead of having the only contact be a tiny little die you spread it out before you even touch the HSF.
You can still get several Ghz components and not have too much temp. It's about spacing. If you cluster them you're gonna burst into flames.
Just because the CPU is running at X Hz doesn't mean every discrete component is running at that speed. For instance the ALUs on the P4 actually work at 2x the clock rate... so a 3Ghz P4 has 6Ghz components. The scheduling buffers of any OOE processor probably work at more than clock rate, etc...
Intel's problem with Prescott is they wanted to jump into 0.09um before it was stable enough. My last P4 [which I sold to a friend] was a 2.8Ghz Northwood. It idled at 35C and ran "busy" at 52C. When I get my prescott tonight I'll see how it compares..
Tom
"recent shuttle accident" was on an aging design that they couldn't keep maintained...
Keep in mind that absent the absolute control over all variables pretty much anything [including space travel] involves a whole heap of "luck" along with that over engineering.
Ever been in a plane? Prove that it was impossible for it to crash.
tom
I seem to recall stories a few months ago about it...
Eitherway, stupid users can darwin their cell phones. So long as they don't add to the email spam problem I don't care!
BTW [ot] if you want to have a lot of fun with spam, open a yahoo account, post the address in a bunch of usenet forums, turn off spam filtering and wait a couple of weeks.
Then open up your inbox (which will likely have around 1500 spams in it) and sort based on subject.
Seeing 23 "CONGRATUALATIONS" in a row is just hilarious...
Tom
You're assuming they're not the ones who wrote the virus in the first place...
Simple trick, don't buy phones known for crappy security. Symbian phones have been attacked before...
Though I agree this highly bad virus that requires the users permission to install is hardly a "virus" and more of a darwinism.
tom
Disregard that... that should have been
'a' + (msg[x] - 'a' + 16) % 26
Got the operation backwards... hehehe
Tom
Um...
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <stdio.h>
char *msg = "dywcdnoxsc@gsvvnox.ybq";
int main(void)
{
int x;
for (x = 0; msg[x]; x++) {
if (msg[x] >= 'a' && msg[x] <= 'z') {
printf("%c", 'a' + (abs(msg[x] - 'a' - 10) % 26));
} else {
printf("%c", msg[x]);
}
}
return EXIT_SUCCESS;
}
Prints out
homihdenii@eillden.ojg
Which looks like the first word is tomstdenis but the "ii" is not satisfyable. It can't both be "i" and "s" at the same time.
Are you sure you ROT-10'ed that?
.... hahahaha
Tom
... 15 years ago "dongles" were the wave of the future. I have yet to see one actually in use in the last decade or so.
DRM as we know it today is not the first time they tried this. The software industry has it's fair share. E.g. programs which would hide data in "bad sectors" on disks, use phrases from the manual, etc...
Tom
I dunno, college served me better than I guess
;-) ), etc....
- Met some peeps who I'm still friends with
- Gave me something todo between the highly structured high school and consistently demanding full-time work
- Learned a thing or two I probably wouldn't have learned [by this point] on my own.
- Gave me some time to practice my craft when the living was cheap (free rent from parents
Tom
I did "average" in high school and well in most classes in college. In high school I was the type to find "the homework" boring but I would show up 10 mins early before an afternoon class to talk with the teacher about something I learned on the side [e.g. something I read in a paper or TAOCP or something].
To me I used my teachers as a resource. sure I participated in class (at one point in biology I was consistently one chapter ahead in the reading which drove the teacher mad during Q/A periods) but I really looked forward to just asking them question that weren't "in the book".
Tom
Or just be smart and not use wifi if it's a threat....
At my house the neighbours don't have wifi so we leave WEP off. I ssh to my boxes and scp files... so the transfers are encrypted/mac'ed.
If my neighbours started messing with my wifi I would just a) burn their houses down and failing that b) stop using wifi and use the HORDES OF EXISTING CAT-5 IN MY HOUSE!
Tom
Oh I totally agree. But the fact that I was never given a chance... I mean if I had a track record for being an ass at the office... that's one thing...
But I'm fresh out of college and so far I do have a job but it's not from who I would have thought [yes I work in software...].
(perspective)I didn't write my libraries to get jobs. I did think it would help though... (/perspective)
Tom
Believe it or not but DRM is not the only line of work out there. What happens 10 years from now when we win and DRM is abolished? And believe it or not not everyone knows about him [enough to be comfortable to hire him].
...etc...
...
Because he skipped out on school and college he lacks a formal training [at least background] in
- algebra
- calculus
- algorithms
- data structures
- compiler theory
- literature [which is important sadly]
-
Not every job he gets will amount to "s/jnz/jmp/"'ing some assembler dump to work around a DRM call or something
At some point he may apply for a job for which some actual education is important and he'll find himself out in the cold.
Tom
So what. I wrote an entire BBS when I was 12 [going on 13 at the time] in pascal while teaching myself C, I was reading TAOCP and understanding quite a bit at age 17 ...
... these are all things you do in high school and college.
By 2002 [when I hit 20] my LibTomCrypt library had already international attention behind it. I've since traveled the to europe twice, been to california twice on various work related contracts because of the attention I got.
He's not the only kid with "neato hobbies".
What makes him so special is he got sued. I'm sure if RSA or something tried to sue me that would make me "uber slashdot cool" and you know what... I'd still go to college.
Cuz despite all the bitching and moaning you do learn things. Sure a good 30% or so of my teachers were clueless, but you still pick up things you wouldn't on your own in an unstructured environment.
Does JJ know calculus? Alegbra? Chemistry? Literature?
Sure you can teach yourself math [for instance] but the likelyhood of missing key concepts is much higher [and it takes longer to learn the basics in my experience with crypto for instance...].
If anything he should have leveraged his fame to get scholarships or something. At least that would be productive...
Tom
Wearing a headset is gay?
... a GeForce 3 can push that just easily... there would be no demand for 1600 by a billion pixel screens with gouraud shaded phong shaded radiosity effects ... on the culled faces ... let's not get talking about the exposed faces...
That and they couldn't push the latest pixel cruncher when the display on your headset would be at most ~640x480
All about supply and demand.
There is a demand for the latest pixel pusher and not for the actual innovation...
This is why most cpu lines are redundant... a 2 and 2.2 Ghz Athlon64 are essentially the same cpu, will get roughly the same performance on >70% of all tasks a user does, etc... but you have to have the latest.
The innovation happens a little here and a little there and inbetween they fill it up with small increments with small returns.
To be honest my most impressive move was from a 486SLC [low power SX clone] to a MI @166. It was night and day. From that to a MII 300 [233Mhz] was another nice but smaller increment. [since then I had a K6-2 350Mhz, Athlon 1.2 - 1.8Ghz, Athlon Barton 2.2, P4 Northwood 2.8 and finally a NewCastle 3200+].
My last "significant jump" was from the P4 to the AMD64. The raw ALU power of this thing is amazing. It beats out other computers in my house by usually a factor of 2x or more when compiling [my LibTomCrypt if you're curious...] and holds it own on the power/heat front [cooler than a 2.8Ghz Northwood which had a louder HSF].
So the quick answer is: The market don't swing that way.
For me the paper was largely useless to start with. The point is people really are asshats and will simply stroke you off for not being comformant with "the list".
... well it proves how immature he is. School is as useful as you make it. If you just treat it as a 9-5 it can be very ineffective. But if you treat is as playground of knowledge and use the time to learn as much as possible you leave school with the ability to pick up new things, etc, etc, etc..
I have companies like IBM, Sony, BitMover, etc... using my software and yet I'm unfit to work for them... That basically tells you that the people who "do work" and the people who "do hiring" are not the same and don't talk.
Not trying to ride on JJ but if he's trying to be hip by saying "school is useless"
Tom
Amen to that brother.
... sure sign of a winner there...
He's so hip and cool, he knows how to workaround DRM...
ok so any "copper network" can achieve the same thing. Whoopy. Moreso by buying the DRM music you are supporting that stupid industry...
That and he dropped out of high school [I hope that was a joke]
Tom
...
Possible but riding his "I wrote decss" thingy won't always pay off.
And when he's forced to apply for a job through normal avenues [cuz let's be honest decss is cool but not the be-all of the computer industry] he'll get the HR run-around.
The best thing he can do is at the very least get a community college diploma or something. That way he has "some paper".
Tom
No Canadian addresses and the map lacks the REST OF THE WORLD...
Lame...
Tom
There's an article? ... since when?
This is news to me.