worlds stupidest user with passwords like 'password':-)
Also how are they using AES? I thought P1619 (XTS-AES) is still a draft. Are they betting it will get adopted unchanged? Or are they using some other thing? Please tell me it's not AES in ECB mode...
You can click and run most common GUI applications in both Gnome and KDE (and others) out of the box. In fact, this firefox browser was brought up through a menu. Weee. Whomever modded your post up, hey it's not 1994 anymore.
As for portability... if the application was written to be portable in the first place [as another pointed out] the costs of supporting multiple platforms is not that high. Especially if the application doesn't do a lot of non-portable things [e.g. use assembler, depend on int == 32-bits, etc].
What OSS really could benefit from is not having people like you spreading bogons about how OSS can't do this and can't do that.
Phones follow standards [like GSM or CDMA]. All the carrier needs is your ID (ESN, SIM number, etc). The rest doesn't matter. Unless you want to lock your "users" into half-usable phones.
1.2MP is low end for a camera. While I agree that MP do not make a photographer, you still need at least 4 or 5MP for decent quality in ideal circumstances.
2G for music? My ipod can store 60G. And I have about 23G of stuff on it (and it's only a small subset of my collection).
As for videos, i dunno how useful that is given the size of the screens [nature of the beast]. I don't even use the video part of the ipod [mostly because it drains the batteries]. Only small screen I like watching is my GBA (or DS) but at least then I'm playing high quality NES games:-) [in realtime, unlike most phones which have craptacular CPU power).
I dunno, yeah sure, good phones exist. They're just not common place or cheap.
Good points. Should point out that many phones TODAY are capable of sharing files via bluetooth/usb. It's mostly the telco's that lock the phones down so you have to use airtime to transmit files (or worse, only buy content from their services).
So you'd need to see BOTH the telco's and hardware designers lose their greed.
The problem with all in ones is they implement each feature shoddly or make ridiculous compromises.
Camera? Sure 0.3MP. Memory? Sure 1MB. etc...
Sure some phones now come with mini-sd slots and what not. But still, if I want a camera my 5MP Canon will do much better. If I want an MP3 player my iPod will do much better. If I want a processor in a box, my laptop will do much better. There is a difference between "doing a lot of things" and "doing a lot of things well."
Combine that with lack of choice [in most markets] and people are easy prey for the doo-dahs and whatnots.
For me, when I bought a phone I looked at some key factors.
1. quadband so I can use it anywhere 2. relatively small 3. decent standby life
Anything else is frivolous and hardly gets used.
Unless you see phones with a 4MP camera, 128MB of ram, 500 MHz ARM, etc... it's hard to say they're really "replacing" anything.
Spitballing but like most time traditions they're either farming or railroad related in NA. In farming I'd bet you will care more for what month it is than the day of the month. E.g. February == not the month to plant crops.
Also, it pisses others off.
Frankly, I don't see the fuss. I rarely know what year it is, let alone month or day. Time's such a bore.
Then they're not "must have," they're just neato top rated extensions. I'm not arguing the usefulness, I'm arguing the headline because it's stupid and I hate stupid sensationalist headlines.
If they were truly "must have" they would be part of the damn download. Like Firefox "must have" PNG support. It's not "nice to have," it "must have" it.
private interests [the paper] have the right to scoop who is who. Provided they don't violate your rights. If you're doing things in public, I have the right to observe you. Running a blog... that's public by definition.
Also like to point out, PEOPLE, BLOGS ARE NON-AUTHORATIVE, even worse than Wikipedia because they lack peer review. Don't trust or put stock in ANYTHING you read in a blog. Good lord, people are stupid.
Agreed, except in my case the people who contact me are getting the code from me directly. So the distribution is public domain. While it's legit to question the origins of the code, most don't get too hung up on that. They're more worried about how they license public domain code from me... hehehe
It helps to have a consistent coding style, makes my code easy to argue that it came from one source.
Along the lines of #1, most folk I meet are fearful of the license issues in terms of "do we owe royalties or something?" Where I work, we use my public domain OSS projects, but we also use others (openssl, swan, the kernel, etc) and we have to be careful of how we distribute things. Fortunately, most of it is in source form which alleviates GPL/LGPL issues. But it's always in the back of our minds.
Fedora Core CD => drive => boot up => pointy clicky installer => reboot => boots into Gnome.
Other than taking a while to copy the files [and then update later on] what exactly is "hard" in this process? Not every Linux distro is Gentoo (my personal fav). Ubuntu and Fedora Core both sport easy to use graphical installers (technically so does SUSE, but honestly, who uses that?)
The problem in the pretty dept is most competent developers who contribute to OSS are concerned more with functionality then the UI. While I agree certain aspects of the UI could use improvement, I've never really had a hard time using OpenOffice. Gnome is a fairly intuitive desktop.
I think it's the being different that scares some people. Cuz I'm sure I could find some hopeless Windows addict who finds Mac OSX "hard" to use.
When big enough companies use [or acquire companies that use] my software, I usually get a call from a manager or legal dept. Turns out big companies are not only scared of OSS but also public domain software. The idea that I give out something for anyone to use without license seems to scare them.
It's like a fiver you leave on a bus for anyone to have, people are always skeptical if they can in fact take it.
On the plus side, it's fun explaining the public domain to folk:-)
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worlds stupidest user with passwords like 'password' :-)
Also how are they using AES? I thought P1619 (XTS-AES) is still a draft. Are they betting it will get adopted unchanged? Or are they using some other thing? Please tell me it's not AES in ECB mode...
Tom
You're kidding right?
... if the application was written to be portable in the first place [as another pointed out] the costs of supporting multiple platforms is not that high. Especially if the application doesn't do a lot of non-portable things [e.g. use assembler, depend on int == 32-bits, etc].
You can click and run most common GUI applications in both Gnome and KDE (and others) out of the box. In fact, this firefox browser was brought up through a menu. Weee. Whomever modded your post up, hey it's not 1994 anymore.
As for portability
What OSS really could benefit from is not having people like you spreading bogons about how OSS can't do this and can't do that.
Tom
Bingo. Well put.
Phones follow standards [like GSM or CDMA]. All the carrier needs is your ID (ESN, SIM number, etc). The rest doesn't matter. Unless you want to lock your "users" into half-usable phones.
Tom
1.2MP is low end for a camera. While I agree that MP do not make a photographer, you still need at least 4 or 5MP for decent quality in ideal circumstances.
:-) [in realtime, unlike most phones which have craptacular CPU power).
2G for music? My ipod can store 60G. And I have about 23G of stuff on it (and it's only a small subset of my collection).
As for videos, i dunno how useful that is given the size of the screens [nature of the beast]. I don't even use the video part of the ipod [mostly because it drains the batteries]. Only small screen I like watching is my GBA (or DS) but at least then I'm playing high quality NES games
I dunno, yeah sure, good phones exist. They're just not common place or cheap.
Tom
Good points. Should point out that many phones TODAY are capable of sharing files via bluetooth/usb. It's mostly the telco's that lock the phones down so you have to use airtime to transmit files (or worse, only buy content from their services).
So you'd need to see BOTH the telco's and hardware designers lose their greed.
Tom
The problem with all in ones is they implement each feature shoddly or make ridiculous compromises.
Camera? Sure 0.3MP. Memory? Sure 1MB. etc...
Sure some phones now come with mini-sd slots and what not. But still, if I want a camera my 5MP Canon will do much better. If I want an MP3 player my iPod will do much better. If I want a processor in a box, my laptop will do much better. There is a difference between "doing a lot of things" and "doing a lot of things well."
Combine that with lack of choice [in most markets] and people are easy prey for the doo-dahs and whatnots.
For me, when I bought a phone I looked at some key factors.
1. quadband so I can use it anywhere
2. relatively small
3. decent standby life
Anything else is frivolous and hardly gets used.
Unless you see phones with a 4MP camera, 128MB of ram, 500 MHz ARM, etc... it's hard to say they're really "replacing" anything.
Tom
Except Linux and OSS in general has a long way to go to push MSFT out of the monopoly role.
And by time OSS does that, it may have a strong enough foothold to undo MSFT anyways.
Tom
Well, it was formed from people who came from Europe. So if you want to point fingers you need only look into a mirror.
Mmm my first rational thought of 2002... yipee!
Tom
Spitballing but like most time traditions they're either farming or railroad related in NA. In farming I'd bet you will care more for what month it is than the day of the month. E.g. February == not the month to plant crops.
Also, it pisses others off.
Frankly, I don't see the fuss. I rarely know what year it is, let alone month or day. Time's such a bore.
Tom
Then they're not "must have," they're just neato top rated extensions. I'm not arguing the usefulness, I'm arguing the headline because it's stupid and I hate stupid sensationalist headlines.
If they were truly "must have" they would be part of the damn download. Like Firefox "must have" PNG support. It's not "nice to have," it "must have" it.
And I "must have" supper soon, peace!
Tom
And how I updated my box.
root #emerge -uD world
*waited a few mins*
root #etc-update
TADA!
Tom
Well you see.... *points to elephant in corner* ====> who me?
Tom
The resentment is strong in this one. Goooood. Gooooood!
Tom
Then they are "must try" not have.
... arrrg....)
Zing! (can't believe I got banned from fark.com
Why don't they come standard with firefox?
Zing!
Maybe there should be a WP article about this? :-)
...
I can feel my Karma burning
Bah, you and your facts. Obviously you're not a Wikipedia editor. Feel the wikiality flow through you.
Tom
private interests [the paper] have the right to scoop who is who. Provided they don't violate your rights. If you're doing things in public, I have the right to observe you. Running a blog ... that's public by definition.
Also like to point out, PEOPLE, BLOGS ARE NON-AUTHORATIVE, even worse than Wikipedia because they lack peer review. Don't trust or put stock in ANYTHING you read in a blog. Good lord, people are stupid.
Tom
BRICKLES!!!!!!
hehehehehehe
Sorry. had to. Haven't touched a Mac since the Mac G3 days (high school senior year).
Yipee, I have slashdot friends, woot woot! Validation!
Tom
Agreed. It's surprising how few people in the commercial software world [well I guess even OSS] really know what it means to say "public domain."
:-)
Oh well, not much we can do but contribute, educate, and have fun
Tom
Agreed, except in my case the people who contact me are getting the code from me directly. So the distribution is public domain. While it's legit to question the origins of the code, most don't get too hung up on that. They're more worried about how they license public domain code from me... hehehe
It helps to have a consistent coding style, makes my code easy to argue that it came from one source.
Tom
Along the lines of #1, most folk I meet are fearful of the license issues in terms of "do we owe royalties or something?" Where I work, we use my public domain OSS projects, but we also use others (openssl, swan, the kernel, etc) and we have to be careful of how we distribute things. Fortunately, most of it is in source form which alleviates GPL/LGPL issues. But it's always in the back of our minds.
Tom
Are you kidding? You are right?
Fedora Core CD => drive => boot up => pointy clicky installer => reboot => boots into Gnome.
Other than taking a while to copy the files [and then update later on] what exactly is "hard" in this process? Not every Linux distro is Gentoo (my personal fav). Ubuntu and Fedora Core both sport easy to use graphical installers (technically so does SUSE, but honestly, who uses that?)
The problem in the pretty dept is most competent developers who contribute to OSS are concerned more with functionality then the UI. While I agree certain aspects of the UI could use improvement, I've never really had a hard time using OpenOffice. Gnome is a fairly intuitive desktop.
I think it's the being different that scares some people. Cuz I'm sure I could find some hopeless Windows addict who finds Mac OSX "hard" to use.
Tom
When big enough companies use [or acquire companies that use] my software, I usually get a call from a manager or legal dept. Turns out big companies are not only scared of OSS but also public domain software. The idea that I give out something for anyone to use without license seems to scare them.
:-)
It's like a fiver you leave on a bus for anyone to have, people are always skeptical if they can in fact take it.
On the plus side, it's fun explaining the public domain to folk
Tom