You underestimate the amount of turnover at a company like MSFT. I suspect the true "in the blood" comp.sci nerds at MSFT are not working on explorer.exe or kernel32.dll, etc.
Which is why a lot of the seemingly simpler things are routinely getting done wrong.
I hate that argument because it lacks context and grounds in law. By your logic, you should stay out of the inner most lane because people driving into oncoming traffic [illegally] might be there. Well ya shouldn't speed either.
And who sets the limits? What if I were to call you the idiot for ONLY doing 20 over? I mean if 20 over is safe, 25 over is probably safe too. So why are you fucking in my way you idiot?
Hmm, well if 25 is safe... If you think a road should be faster, address the appropriate government and have the limits changed. But you'll probably find they're set for a reason.
The dangerous people are not those who follow highway laws, it's those who are so self-absorbed as to not pay attention to those around them. I mean what if I were doing 20 over and then my engine died. Presumably I'd slow down right? So should I expect people to ram into me? Or is it more adult and mature to assume that they'll slow down and go around me?
The safety of others is on my mind when I drive. I guess that's what makes me a decent driver as compared to how I can imagine you drive. By your logic, looking out for pedestrians is not required, so what if you kill someone, if they were in the way they're at fault!
The guy who hit me wasn't speeding, he hit me while I was waiting to merge on to a busy road. He was in a hurry, and didn't stop properly. Even still I could have been hurt, and the car I was in [fortunately not mine] was written off.
I don't know about you but I lookout for more than numero uno when I drive. Sure I want to get places and avoid accidents, but not at the expense of others. I'd ditch my car, for example, before running over a pedestrian because I'm more likely to survive running into a ditch (the car may not) than a pedestrian getting hit by a car. And since the insurance would cover it anyways it's not the end of the world.
In Ontario, speeding less than 50kph is what's known as a summary conviction [e.g. a fine] it does not go on your criminal record only your driving record. Speeding over 50kph is a criminal offense.
That said, technically speeding [e.g. doing 5kph over the limit] is a completely different story than doing 15, 20, 30, etc over. I usually aim for 2-3 over just to say "I'm at least doing the limit" since I mostly use cruise control. Sure I suppose I am "speeding" but it's well within a reasonable tolerance (usually +/- 5kph is considered the norm). Whereas the pricks who race up behind me, tail gate, then pass while doing 20kph over are in fact speeding. You can't argue that your gauge is so broken that 20 over read as the limit.
Not only that, but the other traffic on the road won't be doing 140mph. So you'll have to weave in and out of cars, etc.
That said, they take things a lot differently in.de, sure you're allowed to drive whatever speed you want, but if you get into an accident you're definitely at fault. Whereas in no-fault states [and provinces of Canada for instance] if you do the limit [for the road conditions] and get into an accident you're not at fault [no criminal charges, etc].
At anyrate, big deal. I can get into a plane and fly to the west coast in 6 hours. It's not only miles safer than driving 140mph for 32 hours, but it's faster, and with a packed plane probably just as fuel efficient (noting that 140mph is probably out of the efficiency band for a car).
A tax you say? Well I've driven 10000km so far and haven't paid it yet. Must only be when you drive like an idiot...
Seriously folk, what the hell is with all the Internet Tough Guy routines? Driving in excess is not cool, it just means you're a little kid and the MAN should tell you what to do. Honestly, I drive most of my way to work doing about 2-3kph or so over the limit on cruise (I do a smidge over so people can't bitch that I wasn't at least doing the limit) control. And you know what, especially for city driving, I end up getting places at the same time as those who tailgate and speed. Red lights kinda gate your ability to speed over long distances. Heck, a few times I've even passed tailgaters who previously passed me, then started the weaving game only to be caught in the wrong lane at a red light.
So any argument of "getting there faster" is blown out of the water. And efficiency? Well if I spend less energy and get there at the same time as a speeder, logic dictates I also burned less fuel.
So not only do I take it easy, save money and wear on the car, but I follow the law, never get tickets, and don't act like a prick all the time. All around win win.
What really causes accidents is people who put themselves at risk. For example, following too closely means that if your attention strays for even a moment you can end up piling into a car ahead of you. Whereas I tend to leave 2-3 seconds [when feasible] means that I can afford to stray attention for a second and not plow into shit. By not speeding, my stopping distance is a lot shorter, etc, etc.
Not saying I'll never be in an accident [where I caused it]. I'm only 25 and I have many years ahead of me of driving [hopefully]. Just saying that I'm less likely to get into an accident because I set myself up for success when I drive. Whereas the speed demons and other losers are outside safe margins and are just one event away from an a crash.
I dunno about the rest of you, but as a 25 year old I don't fancy racing through the streets. Sure I may accelerate fast here or there, but I don't speed, and I don't weave in and out of traffic. I guess I'm just not hip and with it. But I'm not a big fan of writing off my car just to be cool.
And it has nothing to do with "being scared" or afraid of the speed. I'm just a big follower of physics and aware of momentum. Getting into an accident at 160kph will hurt a lot more than [say] the posted 80kph. That's just science.
You should lose karma because you're just an idiot. Driving fast doesn't make you "fearless" or cool, it just means you're reckless and irresponsible. You're putting lives at risk [not just your own] to satisfy some feeling of inadequacy.
Speaking of someone who has been rear-ended by a careless driver... I say wait until you get into accident to bitch about people wanting others to drive safe. You're free to driver anywhere you want on public roads, provided you don't sacrifice *MY* safety (e.g., security) to do so. Someone please mod parent as troll and flamebait.
Not only that but many new disks introduce variants of NCQ which allows the controller to optimize requests based on locality. So likely the majority of seek operations are being optimized out at that level.
Well we know that it's running out of memory. So it's a memory leak. Diagnose. Differentiate. It happens when there are hooks into the file system (e.g. in this case an AV is present). Reason. Likely since we're running out of memory when an AV is present, it has something to do with how the OS passes data to the AV and does not free it.
True, I'm just speculating, but it's a lot better reasoned than what the other poster came up with. Since the problem doesn't occur when an AV isn't present, it likely isn't a "multi-threaded" issue. If that were the case it would appear with or without the AV.
And my "attack" is based solely on experience. There are far more coders out in the wild than developers. If you can't tell me the difference between testing and verification, you're not a developer. If you can't describe a very modest design process, you're not a developer. etc. If you look at the quality of the vast majority of software, then say "why on Earth did they write it this was?" It was likely a coder who wrote it.
Not saying coders are stupid, but they solve problems in a very different way than developers. A developer solves a problem by analyzing the problem, gathering requirements, devising methods to test and verify the solution then implements it. A coder solves a problem by "writing just enough code" so the problem goes away. Coders for example, tend to write less modular code (e.g. reusable) than developers because they don't plan ahead to think about what could be re-factored and broken up. Coders typically don't write libraries for example. Writing a good library means you have to think about how other developers/coders will use it. It requires you to follow a design, do things sensibly without a vast re-invention of the wheel all the time, etc.
That being said, there is a need for coders in business. A good coder isn't stupid, they have experience and know how to turn a design document into software. But as I said, there are a lot of mediocre coders out there as well who are basically one step removed from being script kiddies.
Bingo. This is what separates the "coders" from the "developers." And for the record I've only been professionally writing software for about 6 years now. Though I started "coding" when I was a kid [e.g. 20 years prior].
Very likely it's just some extra data allocated per file when there is a hook [like AV] involved that isn't getting freed. As others pointed out copying files sans-antivirus seems to work just fine.
This is what debugging skills are about. Diagnose, differentiate, and reason. Don't just guess and then post flamebait on/. hehehe.
But unlike you guys, I don't need any specific reason to hate it. The entire picture of Vista [and Windows in general] is just sick. Aside from gaming [which Linux distros are technically capable of] there is really no advantage over the properly selected Linux distro. And being that I do more than game, it's an easy choice to use pretty much any Linux distro over XP or Vista.
Likely, they're allocating memory to store file attributes or some such that are not being free'd when done with. Hence running out of memory. If you had coded a day in your life you'd see that.
Good lord, either you're encoding at a like 10mbit/sec, or you're not throwing away old shows. My Myth setup ran at like 3.2Mbit/sec ish on a single 80GB drive and I was able to keep at least 2-3 episodes of each show in backlog. 900GB? I'd probably be able to keep a week or two...
It's not the size of your RAID mate, it's how you use it.
Um that's bullshit. You need government issue photo ID to travel amongst EU nations. You might not need a passport, but you can't just get on a plane with zero ID.
However, I did manage to travel from Ireland to the UK [and keep in mind I'm Canadian] without going through customs... twice:-) I still had to show my passport to get on the plane though...
But I'm not trying to be funny. So I am not understanding your point. Suppose, I was trying to be funny, then in that supposition it would matter if others thought I was being funny.
No, I was being moody, maybe cynical or just downright opinionated.
I care that humanity as a whole substitutes their own opinions for those of a minority. Think for yourself, stop concerning yourself with how you think others think about things. I didn't buy a small sedan because Gore would approve. I bought it because it's light on gas, easy to drive, and didn't cost too badly for a new car. I'm sure Gore would have approved, but that doesn't motivate me in the slightest.
And for the record my reply didn't take "a lot of effort" it took basic high school English and a keyboard.
Well I guess MSFT would be safe even if they didn't indirectly control it. Windows has never had multiple desktops because the joke OS that it is, is meant for toddlers anyways.:-)
FLAME ON!
Oh well, we know this won't go anywhere. We used multiple desktops on Sun boxes in the 80s [ok by we I mean my parents at BNR]. This will be brought down EPIC FAIL style.
How about shut your face? Everyone is lining up to take a position for/against him winning the award. It's my position that in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter so why worry about it? I'm not trying to be smugly dismissive, I just honestly don't give a rats ass what Gore is up to. It just really doesn't concern me.
It seems people always like to get all up in arms with shit that doesn't concern them. Straight people wanna tell gays how to live their lives, the rich tell the poor, etc.
Just mind your own fucking business for a change. you'll find out once you stop injecting other peoples lives into your head, you can start to actually have one of your fucking own.
This is a suit against distributors and/or the X-org team. It has nothing to do with the Linux kernel. You could just as easily remove X11 from your system and still have a useful box (e.g. server).
That being said, these "IP warehouse" douchebags have got to fucking stop. How on earth did we do "$20 million" in damages to a company which didn't invest in the R&D, and doesn't sell products based on it. They probably acquired it for a couple million (joke).
That also being said, wtf. Not like multiple desktops/windows is a new X11 feature. Why sue now? I think there should be a statue of limitations on filing patent suits. Otherwise, this will just keep getting worse.
I think both sides of the coin [repug and democrazies] are fucking evil. Not that I have much faith in the leaders of Canada either.
Best we can hope for [at least in Canada] is some form of status quo being maintained.
That being said, who honestly cares if he was given the prize or not. It doesn't change the price of a loaf of bread, doesn't make the air fresher, or the coffee warmer. for all I know Al Gore doesn't exist. I mean I've never seen him in person, never met the dude, never even had a phone call from him. So what do I care what some hippies in Europe think about him?
Bush may be an illiterate nutbag, but then again US americans (hehehe) elected him. They got what they wanted apparently. And it ain't like hillary, osama, or the other douchebags are gonna make the world a better place. They'll do what all politicians do, install a few policies, compromise, and try to make like at least as good as it was 4 years ago.
worse yet, ISA cards are likely to be VGA compliant which only has like 64KB of addressable memory at A0000h. So you'd have to do bank switching to get access to the other memory.
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You underestimate the amount of turnover at a company like MSFT. I suspect the true "in the blood" comp.sci nerds at MSFT are not working on explorer.exe or kernel32.dll, etc.
Which is why a lot of the seemingly simpler things are routinely getting done wrong.
I hate that argument because it lacks context and grounds in law. By your logic, you should stay out of the inner most lane because people driving into oncoming traffic [illegally] might be there. Well ya shouldn't speed either.
... If you think a road should be faster, address the appropriate government and have the limits changed. But you'll probably find they're set for a reason.
And who sets the limits? What if I were to call you the idiot for ONLY doing 20 over? I mean if 20 over is safe, 25 over is probably safe too. So why are you fucking in my way you idiot?
Hmm, well if 25 is safe
The dangerous people are not those who follow highway laws, it's those who are so self-absorbed as to not pay attention to those around them. I mean what if I were doing 20 over and then my engine died. Presumably I'd slow down right? So should I expect people to ram into me? Or is it more adult and mature to assume that they'll slow down and go around me?
Tom
It must be lonely in your world....
The safety of others is on my mind when I drive. I guess that's what makes me a decent driver as compared to how I can imagine you drive. By your logic, looking out for pedestrians is not required, so what if you kill someone, if they were in the way they're at fault!
The guy who hit me wasn't speeding, he hit me while I was waiting to merge on to a busy road. He was in a hurry, and didn't stop properly. Even still I could have been hurt, and the car I was in [fortunately not mine] was written off.
I don't know about you but I lookout for more than numero uno when I drive. Sure I want to get places and avoid accidents, but not at the expense of others. I'd ditch my car, for example, before running over a pedestrian because I'm more likely to survive running into a ditch (the car may not) than a pedestrian getting hit by a car. And since the insurance would cover it anyways it's not the end of the world.
Oh well, guess I'm just responsible...
In Ontario, speeding less than 50kph is what's known as a summary conviction [e.g. a fine] it does not go on your criminal record only your driving record. Speeding over 50kph is a criminal offense.
That said, technically speeding [e.g. doing 5kph over the limit] is a completely different story than doing 15, 20, 30, etc over. I usually aim for 2-3 over just to say "I'm at least doing the limit" since I mostly use cruise control. Sure I suppose I am "speeding" but it's well within a reasonable tolerance (usually +/- 5kph is considered the norm). Whereas the pricks who race up behind me, tail gate, then pass while doing 20kph over are in fact speeding. You can't argue that your gauge is so broken that 20 over read as the limit.
Tom
Not only that, but the other traffic on the road won't be doing 140mph. So you'll have to weave in and out of cars, etc.
.de, sure you're allowed to drive whatever speed you want, but if you get into an accident you're definitely at fault. Whereas in no-fault states [and provinces of Canada for instance] if you do the limit [for the road conditions] and get into an accident you're not at fault [no criminal charges, etc].
That said, they take things a lot differently in
At anyrate, big deal. I can get into a plane and fly to the west coast in 6 hours. It's not only miles safer than driving 140mph for 32 hours, but it's faster, and with a packed plane probably just as fuel efficient (noting that 140mph is probably out of the efficiency band for a car).
Tom
A tax you say? Well I've driven 10000km so far and haven't paid it yet. Must only be when you drive like an idiot...
Seriously folk, what the hell is with all the Internet Tough Guy routines? Driving in excess is not cool, it just means you're a little kid and the MAN should tell you what to do. Honestly, I drive most of my way to work doing about 2-3kph or so over the limit on cruise (I do a smidge over so people can't bitch that I wasn't at least doing the limit) control. And you know what, especially for city driving, I end up getting places at the same time as those who tailgate and speed. Red lights kinda gate your ability to speed over long distances. Heck, a few times I've even passed tailgaters who previously passed me, then started the weaving game only to be caught in the wrong lane at a red light.
So any argument of "getting there faster" is blown out of the water. And efficiency? Well if I spend less energy and get there at the same time as a speeder, logic dictates I also burned less fuel.
So not only do I take it easy, save money and wear on the car, but I follow the law, never get tickets, and don't act like a prick all the time. All around win win.
What really causes accidents is people who put themselves at risk. For example, following too closely means that if your attention strays for even a moment you can end up piling into a car ahead of you. Whereas I tend to leave 2-3 seconds [when feasible] means that I can afford to stray attention for a second and not plow into shit. By not speeding, my stopping distance is a lot shorter, etc, etc.
Not saying I'll never be in an accident [where I caused it]. I'm only 25 and I have many years ahead of me of driving [hopefully]. Just saying that I'm less likely to get into an accident because I set myself up for success when I drive. Whereas the speed demons and other losers are outside safe margins and are just one event away from an a crash.
I dunno about the rest of you, but as a 25 year old I don't fancy racing through the streets. Sure I may accelerate fast here or there, but I don't speed, and I don't weave in and out of traffic. I guess I'm just not hip and with it. But I'm not a big fan of writing off my car just to be cool.
And it has nothing to do with "being scared" or afraid of the speed. I'm just a big follower of physics and aware of momentum. Getting into an accident at 160kph will hurt a lot more than [say] the posted 80kph. That's just science.
You should lose karma because you're just an idiot. Driving fast doesn't make you "fearless" or cool, it just means you're reckless and irresponsible. You're putting lives at risk [not just your own] to satisfy some feeling of inadequacy.
Speaking of someone who has been rear-ended by a careless driver ... I say wait until you get into accident to bitch about people wanting others to drive safe. You're free to driver anywhere you want on public roads, provided you don't sacrifice *MY* safety (e.g., security) to do so. Someone please mod parent as troll and flamebait.
Tom
Not only that but many new disks introduce variants of NCQ which allows the controller to optimize requests based on locality. So likely the majority of seek operations are being optimized out at that level.
Tom
Well we know that it's running out of memory. So it's a memory leak. Diagnose. Differentiate. It happens when there are hooks into the file system (e.g. in this case an AV is present). Reason. Likely since we're running out of memory when an AV is present, it has something to do with how the OS passes data to the AV and does not free it.
True, I'm just speculating, but it's a lot better reasoned than what the other poster came up with. Since the problem doesn't occur when an AV isn't present, it likely isn't a "multi-threaded" issue. If that were the case it would appear with or without the AV.
And my "attack" is based solely on experience. There are far more coders out in the wild than developers. If you can't tell me the difference between testing and verification, you're not a developer. If you can't describe a very modest design process, you're not a developer. etc. If you look at the quality of the vast majority of software, then say "why on Earth did they write it this was?" It was likely a coder who wrote it.
Not saying coders are stupid, but they solve problems in a very different way than developers. A developer solves a problem by analyzing the problem, gathering requirements, devising methods to test and verify the solution then implements it. A coder solves a problem by "writing just enough code" so the problem goes away. Coders for example, tend to write less modular code (e.g. reusable) than developers because they don't plan ahead to think about what could be re-factored and broken up. Coders typically don't write libraries for example. Writing a good library means you have to think about how other developers/coders will use it. It requires you to follow a design, do things sensibly without a vast re-invention of the wheel all the time, etc.
That being said, there is a need for coders in business. A good coder isn't stupid, they have experience and know how to turn a design document into software. But as I said, there are a lot of mediocre coders out there as well who are basically one step removed from being script kiddies.
Bingo. This is what separates the "coders" from the "developers." And for the record I've only been professionally writing software for about 6 years now. Though I started "coding" when I was a kid [e.g. 20 years prior].
/. hehehe.
Very likely it's just some extra data allocated per file when there is a hook [like AV] involved that isn't getting freed. As others pointed out copying files sans-antivirus seems to work just fine.
This is what debugging skills are about. Diagnose, differentiate, and reason. Don't just guess and then post flamebait on
Tom
But unlike you guys, I don't need any specific reason to hate it. The entire picture of Vista [and Windows in general] is just sick. Aside from gaming [which Linux distros are technically capable of] there is really no advantage over the properly selected Linux distro. And being that I do more than game, it's an easy choice to use pretty much any Linux distro over XP or Vista.
Tom
mod parent as stupid.
Likely, they're allocating memory to store file attributes or some such that are not being free'd when done with. Hence running out of memory. If you had coded a day in your life you'd see that.
Tom
Good lord, either you're encoding at a like 10mbit/sec, or you're not throwing away old shows. My Myth setup ran at like 3.2Mbit/sec ish on a single 80GB drive and I was able to keep at least 2-3 episodes of each show in backlog. 900GB? I'd probably be able to keep a week or two...
It's not the size of your RAID mate, it's how you use it.
Um that's bullshit. You need government issue photo ID to travel amongst EU nations. You might not need a passport, but you can't just get on a plane with zero ID.
... twice :-) I still had to show my passport to get on the plane though ...
However, I did manage to travel from Ireland to the UK [and keep in mind I'm Canadian] without going through customs
Tom
But I'm not trying to be funny. So I am not understanding your point. Suppose, I was trying to be funny, then in that supposition it would matter if others thought I was being funny.
No, I was being moody, maybe cynical or just downright opinionated.
If you want funny go to a comedy club.
I care that humanity as a whole substitutes their own opinions for those of a minority. Think for yourself, stop concerning yourself with how you think others think about things. I didn't buy a small sedan because Gore would approve. I bought it because it's light on gas, easy to drive, and didn't cost too badly for a new car. I'm sure Gore would have approved, but that doesn't motivate me in the slightest.
And for the record my reply didn't take "a lot of effort" it took basic high school English and a keyboard.
Tom
Agreed agreed. Great, barkeep another round for me mates!
... no protected processes, just poke at hardware all you want. now we got this "OS" bullshit in the way. hehehehe.
I do kinda miss the DOS days though
Tom
Well I guess MSFT would be safe even if they didn't indirectly control it. Windows has never had multiple desktops because the joke OS that it is, is meant for toddlers anyways. :-)
FLAME ON!
Oh well, we know this won't go anywhere. We used multiple desktops on Sun boxes in the 80s [ok by we I mean my parents at BNR]. This will be brought down EPIC FAIL style.
How about shut your face? Everyone is lining up to take a position for/against him winning the award. It's my position that in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter so why worry about it? I'm not trying to be smugly dismissive, I just honestly don't give a rats ass what Gore is up to. It just really doesn't concern me.
It seems people always like to get all up in arms with shit that doesn't concern them. Straight people wanna tell gays how to live their lives, the rich tell the poor, etc.
Just mind your own fucking business for a change. you'll find out once you stop injecting other peoples lives into your head, you can start to actually have one of your fucking own.
Tom
Did I forget to mention that it only has 256K of memory? VGA cards didn't have 512 or more until SVGA and more importantly VESA came out.
This is a suit against distributors and/or the X-org team. It has nothing to do with the Linux kernel. You could just as easily remove X11 from your system and still have a useful box (e.g. server).
That being said, these "IP warehouse" douchebags have got to fucking stop. How on earth did we do "$20 million" in damages to a company which didn't invest in the R&D, and doesn't sell products based on it. They probably acquired it for a couple million (joke).
That also being said, wtf. Not like multiple desktops/windows is a new X11 feature. Why sue now? I think there should be a statue of limitations on filing patent suits. Otherwise, this will just keep getting worse.
I think both sides of the coin [repug and democrazies] are fucking evil. Not that I have much faith in the leaders of Canada either.
Best we can hope for [at least in Canada] is some form of status quo being maintained.
That being said, who honestly cares if he was given the prize or not. It doesn't change the price of a loaf of bread, doesn't make the air fresher, or the coffee warmer. for all I know Al Gore doesn't exist. I mean I've never seen him in person, never met the dude, never even had a phone call from him. So what do I care what some hippies in Europe think about him?
Bush may be an illiterate nutbag, but then again US americans (hehehe) elected him. They got what they wanted apparently. And it ain't like hillary, osama, or the other douchebags are gonna make the world a better place. They'll do what all politicians do, install a few policies, compromise, and try to make like at least as good as it was 4 years ago.
worse yet, ISA cards are likely to be VGA compliant which only has like 64KB of addressable memory at A0000h. So you'd have to do bank switching to get access to the other memory.
Tom
I've been writing/developing software for a long time now, never "needed" visual studio. You just work on the wrong software if you require VS.