Yeah...maybe it's because there was no "American" dark age. You think Kingdoms, castles, peasantry, knights, wizards and stuff, and America just doesn't come to mind. Needs a nice, thick, noble English accent...just like you said;)
I'd say your reply says more about you than about him.
It's not the magazines or the ads that are a problem; it's your lack of balls and pride that prevents you from standing up against the stupid moralization of your environment.
Maybe he's got the balls and pride to stand up against the demoralizition of his environment. I don't appreciate that stuff either and I choose to avoid it, and I'll stand up and be counted any day of the week.
It pisses me off when people get criticised for having morals. Did I call you a right-wing, mouth-breathing, low-life, pervert because you disagree? Well....not until just then.:)
That's my fear, too. I'm a linux "newbie" and I freely admit it. So, am I going to be stranded now? I've tried a couple of other distros (Red Hat and Corel)...and before I get any snide remarks about that, read the first line again.
I know that Mandrake came from Red Hat, but they're different now, are they not? So am I going to have to start my 'education' over? I really like Mandrake and I hope these are temporary setbacks, but if they're not I really hope somebody steps up and helps out us new guys.
Whether or not you like to admit it, Linux has a steep learning curve. Especially for those of us who haven't had college courses in C and Unix. Personally I have no desire to spend forever learning every tweak and command to get my OS to work right...I want minimal hassle between install and "up and running"...and I think that's what the 'masses' (read: MS drones ready to jump ship) want, too.
We can preach all day about the superiority of Linux, but what does it matter if the only ones who believe it are the ones who are preaching? Mandrake went a long way (IMHO) toward reaching out a hand to those of us wanting to escape Microsoft (especially before XP comes out and gets rammed down our throats *shudder*) who were afraid of the complexity of Linux.
I'm not saying Mandrake was perfect, but they were easy enough to get even me online! If they go, I sure hope someone else moves into their place.
I really like Linux, and I'd like to see it take off as a desktop OS, but without people catering to the new guys, then I can't see that many people will be enticed away from their comfy little Microshelters.
I think we're on the same page here. My post actually turned out a lot different then I had planned. I agree with everything you said (especially your reply to my post), I just wanted to vent...
I'll admit that Microsoft has brought the personal computer to where it's at today. Because of them the PC is now a "standard" household item. But let's remember that they did it for money. They're not heroes, they did it for cold hard cash. Yes, it was a "good" thing in the end, but they squashed and trampled others all the way up the ladder.
I'd like to make a (silly) analogy. Have you seen BattleField Earth? (can't blame you if you haven't...it was one of those 'renters' that I had to see at least once!:) ) Anyway, here are all these uneducated humans and Travolta's just walking all over them (don't remember the character's name). He decides to educate one, and eventually that one person knows enough to think for himself. Soon that person is searching for a better life and he is smart enough to find a way to escape Travolta's control. (this is the abridged version)
In the same way Microsoft has 'educated' the masses...brought even the computer illiterate to the table and showed us the wonders of computing. But there are those of us who don't like being controlled by Microsoft anymore. I'll be danged if I'm going to ask MS for permission to reinstall my OS (a la WinXP). Those of us who are tired of it are looking for alternatives.
I don't blame MS for trying to tell people that everything that doesn't come from Redmond is evil...or stupid. They're just trying to stay in business. But I don't owe MS anything. Now that I know enough to understand what's happening (I'm no expert, mind you) I am free to choose my own path.
They'll tell you that OSS is a product of hell and is the opposite of innovation...but it's up to us to create our opinions. Just because some guy from MS who's making 7 digits a year tells you something, doesn't mean you have to believe it.
My personal opinion is that you've got to pay the bills, so you need to charge for your work...but like it's been said before - if you make a good product, people will buy it. Case in point: I like Mandrake Linux. I want to buy it. I want to support the company so that they can come up with cool new versions that I will like. Sure, I can (and did) download it (or a bijillion other Linux distros) for free, but I choose to pay for it. I don't see any moral issues with charging for something that you've created that's worth buying. Even if the source is free.
I just get irritated when someone's opinion (especially one that's as commercially biased as this one) gets so much attention.
In closing (hehe) I'll say that while the business theory presented has placed Microsoft in the position they are at now, that doesn't mean that it's the right way forever. It worked to bring computers into nearly every home, but the population wants more now. More freedom and more choices, and we're being fed this "alternatives are evil" crap to lull us into believing that big corporations have all the answers. Thank you, and good day.
Pretty big talk for someone without a name. Anonymity is comfortable, isn't it?
But you see, you're the same thing that you're accusing all of us of being, you're just on the opposite side.
under this wonderful Bush administration, that is fast becoming a crime
Quick to blame the current administration for all of your problems. Yeah, that last guy did a whole freaking lot for us. He never did anything that pissed somebody off, did he?
You voted for Bush because you thought he'd help your mutual funds. That is truly shallow and pathetic
You assume that all of us voted for Bush because we thought he'd help our mutual funds. That is truly shallow and pathetic.
You probably aren't even industrious enough to use Linux
MmmmHmmm...so, because I didn't spend my life at a console and learning to hack my kernel I'm stupid? Now that's deductive reasoning.
You're probably sucking on Bill's teat with your Win2000 boxes, praising how easy the online registration is.
Yup, more of the same. I dual-boot windows, so I must be a fricking moron. Boy, Sherlock, you sure got me there.
If this sort of thing (which is getting more commonplace) doesn't frighten the hell out of you, you are morons
Not all of us are stupid enough to post a threat to the President on a public forum. Now that's the move of a true moron.
Toe the line, cowards, code those NSA backdoors in, do what the government tells you, because you're worthless little dogs fighting for a scrap from the master's table.
Oh mighty one, thank you for showing me the error of my ways. Guess I better get rid of my windows install before the NSA hacks my computer, steals my credit-card number, and passwords, and goes all "The Net" on me, eh?
....than just games, I mean, I'm a Linux newbie myself, and while I would like to jump with both feet into a life of pure-Linux, there are things I just don't know how to do. Plus, there are many things (games included) that I have that don't work in Linux...I mean, I've been an MS drone up until now, so I have a lot of Windows apps. Things like The Sims and B+W that don't run in Linux are enough to keep me dual-booting.
But if I get all my cool games to run in Linux, that's one less reason to keep Windows around, and it's one less BIG reason for other newbies not to make the jump to Linux. I'm sure there are others out there like me that would make the change if they could keep their games and stuff. (I'm not just a gamer, but most everything else has a Linux alternative)
On a more personal (off-topic) note, maybe more people would make the switch, too, if there were less "I am a Linux GOD! Trouble me not, oh ignorant one!" and more actual help...but that's just my personal opinion (not everybody was raised on C++ and Unix).;)
Unless I'm mistaken the ClawHammer will also run 32-bit code, and it's supposed to do it very well. So it's not following the same path as the PPro. You can get your 64-bit chip and still run your 32-bit apps.
As a side note, I believe the Itanium _only_ runs 64 bit code, which seems to follow right PPro's footsteps.
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Yeah...maybe it's because there was no "American" dark age. You think Kingdoms, castles, peasantry, knights, wizards and stuff, and America just doesn't come to mind. Needs a nice, thick, noble English accent...just like you said ;)
I'd say your reply says more about you than about him.
It's not the magazines or the ads that are a problem; it's your lack of balls and pride that prevents you from standing up against the stupid moralization of your environment.
Maybe he's got the balls and pride to stand up against the demoralizition of his environment. I don't appreciate that stuff either and I choose to avoid it, and I'll stand up and be counted any day of the week.
It pisses me off when people get criticised for having morals. Did I call you a right-wing, mouth-breathing, low-life, pervert because you disagree? Well....not until just then. :)
That's my fear, too. I'm a linux "newbie" and I freely admit it. So, am I going to be stranded now? I've tried a couple of other distros (Red Hat and Corel)...and before I get any snide remarks about that, read the first line again.
I know that Mandrake came from Red Hat, but they're different now, are they not? So am I going to have to start my 'education' over? I really like Mandrake and I hope these are temporary setbacks, but if they're not I really hope somebody steps up and helps out us new guys.
Whether or not you like to admit it, Linux has a steep learning curve. Especially for those of us who haven't had college courses in C and Unix. Personally I have no desire to spend forever learning every tweak and command to get my OS to work right...I want minimal hassle between install and "up and running"...and I think that's what the 'masses' (read: MS drones ready to jump ship) want, too.
We can preach all day about the superiority of Linux, but what does it matter if the only ones who believe it are the ones who are preaching? Mandrake went a long way (IMHO) toward reaching out a hand to those of us wanting to escape Microsoft (especially before XP comes out and gets rammed down our throats *shudder*) who were afraid of the complexity of Linux.
I'm not saying Mandrake was perfect, but they were easy enough to get even me online! If they go, I sure hope someone else moves into their place.
I really like Linux, and I'd like to see it take off as a desktop OS, but without people catering to the new guys, then I can't see that many people will be enticed away from their comfy little Microshelters.
I think we're on the same page here. My post actually turned out a lot different then I had planned. I agree with everything you said (especially your reply to my post), I just wanted to vent...
I'll admit that Microsoft has brought the personal computer to where it's at today. Because of them the PC is now a "standard" household item. But let's remember that they did it for money. They're not heroes, they did it for cold hard cash. Yes, it was a "good" thing in the end, but they squashed and trampled others all the way up the ladder.
I'd like to make a (silly) analogy. Have you seen BattleField Earth? (can't blame you if you haven't...it was one of those 'renters' that I had to see at least once! :) ) Anyway, here are all these uneducated humans and Travolta's just walking all over them (don't remember the character's name). He decides to educate one, and eventually that one person knows enough to think for himself. Soon that person is searching for a better life and he is smart enough to find a way to escape Travolta's control. (this is the abridged version)
In the same way Microsoft has 'educated' the masses...brought even the computer illiterate to the table and showed us the wonders of computing. But there are those of us who don't like being controlled by Microsoft anymore. I'll be danged if I'm going to ask MS for permission to reinstall my OS (a la WinXP). Those of us who are tired of it are looking for alternatives.
I don't blame MS for trying to tell people that everything that doesn't come from Redmond is evil...or stupid. They're just trying to stay in business. But I don't owe MS anything. Now that I know enough to understand what's happening (I'm no expert, mind you) I am free to choose my own path.
They'll tell you that OSS is a product of hell and is the opposite of innovation...but it's up to us to create our opinions. Just because some guy from MS who's making 7 digits a year tells you something, doesn't mean you have to believe it.
My personal opinion is that you've got to pay the bills, so you need to charge for your work...but like it's been said before - if you make a good product, people will buy it. Case in point: I like Mandrake Linux. I want to buy it. I want to support the company so that they can come up with cool new versions that I will like. Sure, I can (and did) download it (or a bijillion other Linux distros) for free, but I choose to pay for it. I don't see any moral issues with charging for something that you've created that's worth buying. Even if the source is free.
I just get irritated when someone's opinion (especially one that's as commercially biased as this one) gets so much attention.
In closing (hehe) I'll say that while the business theory presented has placed Microsoft in the position they are at now, that doesn't mean that it's the right way forever. It worked to bring computers into nearly every home, but the population wants more now. More freedom and more choices, and we're being fed this "alternatives are evil" crap to lull us into believing that big corporations have all the answers. Thank you, and good day.
What the heck kind of loser would anonymously post somebody else's phone number?!
Jeez, man, get a grip.
And watch out for the Big Bad Government! They've got nothing better to do than try to find some way to personally attack you and violate your rights!
Man, I've never seen such paranoia!
Pretty big talk for someone without a name. Anonymity is comfortable, isn't it?
But you see, you're the same thing that you're accusing all of us of being, you're just on the opposite side.
under this wonderful Bush administration, that is fast becoming a crime
Quick to blame the current administration for all of your problems. Yeah, that last guy did a whole freaking lot for us. He never did anything that pissed somebody off, did he?
You voted for Bush because you thought he'd help your mutual funds. That is truly shallow and pathetic
You assume that all of us voted for Bush because we thought he'd help our mutual funds. That is truly shallow and pathetic.
You probably aren't even industrious enough to use Linux
MmmmHmmm...so, because I didn't spend my life at a console and learning to hack my kernel I'm stupid? Now that's deductive reasoning.
You're probably sucking on Bill's teat with your Win2000 boxes, praising how easy the online registration is.
Yup, more of the same. I dual-boot windows, so I must be a fricking moron. Boy, Sherlock, you sure got me there.
If this sort of thing (which is getting more commonplace) doesn't frighten the hell out of you, you are morons
Not all of us are stupid enough to post a threat to the President on a public forum. Now that's the move of a true moron.
Toe the line, cowards, code those NSA backdoors in, do what the government tells you, because you're worthless little dogs fighting for a scrap from the master's table.
Oh mighty one, thank you for showing me the error of my ways. Guess I better get rid of my windows install before the NSA hacks my computer, steals my credit-card number, and passwords, and goes all "The Net" on me, eh?
Good f*****g riddance.
Ah, spoken like a gentlemen!....than just games, I mean, I'm a Linux newbie myself, and while I would like to jump with both feet into a life of pure-Linux, there are things I just don't know how to do. Plus, there are many things (games included) that I have that don't work in Linux...I mean, I've been an MS drone up until now, so I have a lot of Windows apps. Things like The Sims and B+W that don't run in Linux are enough to keep me dual-booting.
But if I get all my cool games to run in Linux, that's one less reason to keep Windows around, and it's one less BIG reason for other newbies not to make the jump to Linux. I'm sure there are others out there like me that would make the change if they could keep their games and stuff. (I'm not just a gamer, but most everything else has a Linux alternative)
On a more personal (off-topic) note, maybe more people would make the switch, too, if there were less "I am a Linux GOD! Trouble me not, oh ignorant one!" and more actual help...but that's just my personal opinion (not everybody was raised on C++ and Unix). ;)
Unless I'm mistaken the ClawHammer will also run 32-bit code, and it's supposed to do it very well. So it's not following the same path as the PPro. You can get your 64-bit chip and still run your 32-bit apps. As a side note, I believe the Itanium _only_ runs 64 bit code, which seems to follow right PPro's footsteps.