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Lord of the Trailers

Kurobara writes: "just thought everyone would like to know that the NEW LOTR trailer is avabile online (stream only for now). I'd give a description but I'll let the trailer speek for itself, suffice to say it rocks ^_^ (spotted on theonering.net)" It's not at all easy to find the new trailer - if you see the flame and ring, you're looking at the old one. First words of the new one are "Legend tells of a ring...". Ah, here we go: Old Wolf writes: "The latest trailer for Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring can be streamed here, or downloaded in full. Only Real format at this stage unfortunately. A collection of .jpg stills and commentary can be found here at TORN."

179 comments

  1. Re:LOTR will make 2001 a great year! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

    The sad thing is, you are 34 years old, aren't you?

  2. Spoiler... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5

    Geesh, I could have lived without knowing that Paul Rubens was playing gollum. That's gonna ruin it for me.

    1. Re:Spoiler... by sammy+baby · · Score: 2

      Are you kidding? This makes the movie for me. If it sucks, at least we'll be able to entertain ourselves by singing "Tequila" whenever he's in a scene.

      Side note - when "The Matrix" came out, we'd break into a bad southern drawl every time Morpheus came onscreen. "Y'all can't be told what the Matrix is, Pee Wee!"

    2. Re:Spoiler... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      "My, this ring sure is... warm."

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    3. Re:Spoiler... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2

      And how does Paul Rubens occupy himself while being stuck in that deep dark cave for years on end, mmm?

      Watch movies?

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    4. Re:Spoiler... by selectspec · · Score: 2

      I don't know. Pee Wee is sort of how I imagined Gollum.

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    5. Re:Spoiler... by John_Booty · · Score: 2

      Playing Gollum, a character infinitely less creepy and annoying than himself, would be quite a strech for Paul Reubens. Would he be up to it?

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    6. Re:Spoiler... by bziman · · Score: 1
      Yeah, either Pee Wee Herman, or the real actor, Andy Serkis...

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    7. Re:Spoiler... by servasius_jr · · Score: 1
      Geesh, I could have lived without knowing that Paul Rubens was playing gollum. That's gonna ruin it for me.

      Look at the bright side, dear. At least he wasn't cast as Galadriel.

    8. Re:Spoiler... by DarkWinter · · Score: 1

      hmmm, not quite annoying enough... maybe Bob Sagat if he were shorter... or maybe Bobcat Goldthwait, hmmmm?

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  3. Canadian Mirror by Alan · · Score: 3

    Get your good good LOTR-lovin' at http://ufies.org/files/lotr_trailer3.rm

    HTH, HAND

  4. About JRRT (was Re:These movies ought to be banned by Cheakamus · · Score: 5
    The Silmarillion represents the real life's work of Tolkien. He started his writings in 1916 (during WW1, while in the trenches), where he wrote the stories of Fall of Gondolin and Turin Turambar. I'm a bit rusty on the sequence of his life, but after the war he was a professor of Old English at the University of Leeds and also served on the staff of the Oxford English Dictionary. Through the 1920s he continued to develop several mythical languages (based upon Welsh and Finnish) that provided the basis for the cultures of his mythologies. During this time he was appointed to a professorship at Oxford.

    When JRRT wrote The Hobbit (published in 1937) he initially did not place it in Middle Earth. Actually the original story was quite different in one crucial respect - Gollum shows Bilbo out after he lost the Riddles game and they part on friendly terms. If you ever find a first edition of The Hobbit you can read the original version of the story - (good luck! B&N had a copy for sale for $12,500!). The Hobbit was so successful that the publishers immediately demanded a sequel. It was at this point that he rewrote chapter 5 (Riddles in the Dark) to set up the story that became The Lord of the Rings.

    The LOTR started in much the same style as The Hobbit, and he struggled for many years with it. He really wanted to publish his epic mythologies, and not to work on a sequel. Towards the later part of the 1940's he got into the swing of it and cranked out LOTR, published in three volumes in 1954 and 1955 (it is NOT a trilogy - it's three volumes of the same tale). It was during the composition of the LOTR that he tied The Hobbit to the mythologies. It also provided a framework for the eventuality of his epic works, later laid down in The Silmarillion. The Silmarillion is actually several books in one:

    • Ainulindalë, the tale of the Music of the Ainur and the creation of Arda (Earth).
    • Valaquenta, the tale of the Valar, in which the nature of each of the Powers is described.
    • Quenta Silmarillion, the longest tale, which gives an account of the history of Arda from its beginnings until the end of the First Age.
    • Akallabêth, the tale of the Second Age, which concentrates on the history of Númenor until its Downfall, and
    • Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age, which spans the late Second Age and the Third, telling of the forging of the Rings of Power and their history up to the War of the Ring.

    Tolkien died before he felt thatThe Silmarillion was completed. His son, Christopher, took it upon himself to select from his father's writings all of the material that would constitute a complete story and published it posthumously to his father.

    Reading The Silmarillion for the first time is a fairly brutal endeavor. It's so packed full of information that it took me several readings to really start to grok it. Karen Wynn Fonstat's Atlas of Middle Earth is essential, as is J.E.A. Tyler's reference (the name escapes me, but the second editions includes The Silmarillion content).

    Unfinished Tales contains more detailed information from the stories in The Silmarillion, but they were never deemed to be complete enough to be included in The Silmarillion. Christopher Tolkien's 12 volume series The History of Middle Earth breaks down all of JRRT's writings into chronological order and discusses in great detail the evolution of the stories (well worth the read if you like scholarly studies of fascinating characters).

    Also read The Letters of JRR Tolkien and his biography, both by Humphrey Carpenter, if you want real insight into Tolkien's life and beliefs. He was a truly remarkable man.

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  5. Re:Greatest Cinematic Epic by CaseyB · · Score: 2
    Bobafet vs. the Balrog

    I'd have gone with the Rankor for this analogy. I've always pictured the Balrog as something similar.

  6. Re:Meet the Feebles. by Malc · · Score: 2

    Hey, don't knock Brain Dead (or Bad Taste - I haven't seen Meet the Feebles). Those were absolutely excellent. Even more so considering that they were done in spare time (four years for Bad Taste???) with a small group of friends and home-made props.

  7. Re:Why should I go watch this? by Malc · · Score: 3

    Personally, I'm glad that REAL is in existence. Without them, there surely would be even more Windows Media Player only downloads, and perhaps more of that annoying QuickTime bollocks. At least Real has ports of their player to platforms like Linux.

  8. Re:So what was the huge spoiler? by swingkid · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing that they only consider it a spoiler for those who haven't read the trilogy.

  9. Re:Why should I go watch this? by gid · · Score: 2
    Hey, I applaud them for using real format. Sure it's crappy quality, but it least I can watch it under linux. And as much as I disapprove of real, the rvplayer for linux is actually really damn nice. And it's painless install for debian, apt-get install realplayer, it then holds your hand the rest of the way.

    Sorenson codec encoded .mov's are worthless to me. Although it is a really nice high quality codec with great compression, it's just not available for linux. Well I can listen to the audio on Sorenson codec mov's I spose. :)

    Why don't these companies use DiVX ;-)? There's at least nice divx players for linux. The one I use is available here: http://divx.euro.ru/ just fyi. What's the deal with divx anyway? Was it stolen from microsoft like people claim or what? And if not, then why aren't big companies supporting it? Because apple and real pays them too much to use their format? :)

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  10. Re:These movies ought to be banned by rho · · Score: 2

    ..All the while, Tolkien heatedly denied any allegory in LOTR. In fact, he claimed that he thought allegory in storytelling was perfectly awful.

    The king of allegory, C.S. Lewis, was a friend of Tolkien. Lewis has said that while at Cambrige he was told to "beware of Papists [Lewis was a Protestant] and philologists. Tolkien was both."

    The stories were born out of bedtime tales he told his children and his philological interest in inventing a language (Elvish). Pretty cool.
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  11. English accent (Re: Just an opinion) by Wombat · · Score: 1

    A little odd that you should say this, since the actor doing the voice over in this new trailer is Sir Ian McKellan, who is most definitely English. Funny, that.

    Wombat.

  12. Re:Why should I go watch this? by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    I hear you :) If it sucks we can meet up and go on a rampage....I refuse to D/L REAL crap to my machine so I will just wait for the MOVIE.

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  13. Re:Why should I go watch this? by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    And Braindead. Don't forget Braindead :)

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  14. Re:Peter Jackson by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    It's called Heavenly Creatures were I live

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  15. Re:Agreed by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    Agreed, too. Jackson's perfect. The main reason I think so is Heavenly Creatures: He hs used a lot of special effect in it, but never in a way that makes them stand out in the "look what we can do" hollywood way. Instead, they were perfectly blended into the "real" scenes, giving them a special kind of magic. Also, on the LotR official movie page they have Jackson answering a lot of fan's questions which seem to have come from various Tolkien fan sites. The answers are in Real video format. He obviously has put a lot of thinking into the translation of the book to movie format, and not only that, he has come to goog conclusions, too.

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  16. Re:I know the Evil side will win their fight. by tuffy · · Score: 1
    *ponders* I seem to recall Saruman's disembodied spirit looking to the West, perhaps in a vain hope of return to Valinor, before being dispersed by a west wind - his hope denied by Manwë for his treachery.

    I think the key differences between LOTR and Star Wars is that LOTR has a third "chapter" that's quite good - whereas Star Wars' third film mostly sucks. That, and the "prequel" to LOTR is marvelous literature in its own right - whereas the Star Wars prequel is pretty crappy so far.

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  17. Re:I know the Evil side will win their fight. by tuffy · · Score: 1
    Something along the lines of "and Sauron followed Morgoth down the same ruinous path into the Void" might be construed as a banishment - whereas Gandalf says he will become "a shadow of malice in the wilderness".

    The discrepency is probably best explained that Sauron as a sentient entity became no more after the destruction of the One Ring, but the evil "leftovers" of him still haunted some desolate areas of the world after his passing.

    At least, that's how I see it.

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  18. Re: submitter comments by tuffy · · Score: 2

    Even now, "^_^" is being documented as a new Perl operator...

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  19. Re:Greatest Cinematic Epic by EvilNight · · Score: 1

    Heh, well boss, one out of three isn't too bad...

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  20. Don't watch it!! by Hygelac · · Score: 1

    I've been doing an experiment with myself: don't watch any trailers and see if makes the movie better.

    So far, I've seen about 5 movies without seeing any trailers, and the movies are much better! The damn trailers give away too much and by the time I get to the theater, I already know how the movie progresses and ends!

    So anyway, I hope some of you will try this. The movies tend to be much better when you don't see any trailers ahead of time. Cheers!

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    1. Re:Don't watch it!! by cisko · · Score: 1
      I've been doing an experiment with myself: don't watch any trailers and see if makes the movie better.

      That just shows a lack of commitment. After all, you still know what the movie's about, right? You've seen ads and such, right? You know the title, right?

      You should avoid all media that discuss movies (including /.). Have a friend blindfold you and drop you off at the theater. Buy a ticket randomly. ("I'll have whatever's in theater #6, please.") Keep the blindfold on until the movie starts -- wouldn't want to see any other trailers, right? =)

      Now that would be cool.

    2. Re:Don't watch it!! by Old+Wolf · · Score: 1
      I've read the books several times and it gets exponentially better each time, even though I already know the plot.

      The books are of such a quality that nothing, ever, will spoil them.

      (A good antithesis to this was The Sixth Sense..)

    3. Re:Don't watch it!! by DagSverre · · Score: 1

      Well in this particular case I think the plot is pretty much given away anyway?

      Everyone, please read the books first!! There is no chance of the film being better than the books, and if you see the film first you have spoiled the plot for the books. It's much better to spoil the plot for the films. (IMHO of course)

    4. Re:Don't watch it!! by Walker+Evans · · Score: 1

      I've been doing an experiment with myself: don't watch any trailers and see if makes the movie better.

      So far, I've seen about 5 movies without seeing any trailers, and the movies are much better!


      Better than what? The movies were better than if you would have seen previews first? how can you measure that?

      Or are you saying that the movies were better than other movies that you had watched WITH trailors? Because that's not too accurate of a judgement either. I could go a good movie without seeing previews and of course it's going to be better than a bad movie that i have seen previews for.

      I think you should just stop worrying about it and enjoy the movies for what they're for.

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    5. Re:Don't watch it!! by DevNull+Ogre · · Score: 1

      Trailers do tend to spoil a lot these days. But I don't think you're idea applies very well to this particular movie. All of us that are excited about it have already read the book---probably many times. Watching the trailer won't give any of the story away.

    6. Re:Don't watch it!! by dinivin · · Score: 1

      Considering that JRR Tolkein couldn't write to save his life, I'm quite looking forward to a screen adapatation.

      Dinivin

  21. when the fat lady sings by peter303 · · Score: 2

    I liked the prequel operas by Wagner,
    especially the third when the nine fat
    ladies (Valkeries) come out and sing,
    think stick it to all those nasty Germans
    showing off their shiny swords ...

    1. Re:when the fat lady sings by bouis · · Score: 1
      You're thinking about the "Ride of the Valkyries" from the opening of the 3rd Act of Die Walkure (The Valkyrie), which is the second opera in Der Ring des Nibelungen (The Ring of the Nibelungs), by Richard Wagner... which Tolkien himself said has nothing to do with LoTR.

      Unless you were trying to be funny...

  22. virtual CGI actors by peter303 · · Score: 2

    LOTR plans to use several- Gollum, various monsters, and others.
    I am encouraged by the quality of virtual actors
    in Shrek. JarJar in Phantom and the humans in
    Toy Story were disappointing, but my hopes are
    high for LOTR.

  23. Meet the Feebles. by Poe · · Score: 2

    Is this the same Peter Jackson who brought us Meet the Feebles and Brain Dead? Good God. We're doomed.

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    1. Re:Meet the Feebles. by Sloppy · · Score: 2

      Yes, the very same dude that has shown us muppets having sex, a room full of zombies cleared with a lawnmower, and exploding sheep.

      You could conclude that Peter Jackson is a hero of tastelessness, making him inappropriate for LotR. But there's another way of looking at it: he is uncompromising and unbound. Think about it.

      Maybe he's not such a bad choice after all.

      BTW, after all these years, the custard/ear scene in Dead Alive (a.k.a. Braindead) still makes me gag. What craftsmanship!


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    2. Re:Meet the Feebles. by MadAhab · · Score: 2
      Jackson's tastelessness has always been exceptionally dark and layered with meaning, and it's always involved a double dose of fantasy as well. This is not like hearing that Allan Smithee of Police Academy 7 is directing LOTR.

      Consider the worst that Hollywood does to films; it infantilizes them and prettifies them. Tack on a happy ending, dumb everything down. Mulan is a great example; in the original Chinese story, she is a fierce and accomplished warrior trying to reconcile conflicting societal obligations to honor her parents and fit traditional roles for women. By the time Disney was done with the story, she was a bumbling idiot whose victories were accidental and mere incidents in the story of her love life.

      Now look again at Jackson's involvement; a director whose films are dark, psychologically complex, and fantastical is the best insurance I could imagine against Hollywood ruining the film. The biggest question mark is the quality of the script.

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    3. Re:Meet the Feebles. by xsmasher · · Score: 1

      This is also the man who brought us "Heavenly Creatures." If you have any doubts about his ability to be brilliant, see that movie. (Not that MTF and BD/DA aren't brilliant - just in different ways.)

    4. Re:Meet the Feebles. by selectspec · · Score: 2

      And that Frighteners movie was Michael J. Fox which was putrid. Frankly, he is worrisome, but the Director is secondary to the script, and well, as far as the writing goes, we should be covered.

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    5. Re:Meet the Feebles. by selectspec · · Score: 2

      yeah dead alive was sweet. Especially the lawn mower scene. Christofer Lee, who claims to have read LOTR each year since it was written, also felt that Jackson was the best director for the job.

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    6. Re:Meet the Feebles. by steeef · · Score: 1

      it's also the same peter jackson who brought us "dead alive", a great horror comedy. everything i've read about him in connection with lotr sounds great, especially ian mckellan's(gandalf) comment. he said that peter was the perfect director for this film

    7. Re:Meet the Feebles. by Golias · · Score: 1
      Is this the same Peter Jackson who brought us Meet the Feebles and Brain Dead?

      Yes, it is.

      On the bright side, I saw Liv Tyler on one of the late-night talk shows the other day. She gave us a little sample of what the Elvish language sounds like when spoken. (Apparently, she memorized her Elvish lines, and could still remember a couple.) It sounded kind of cool.

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    8. Re:Meet the Feebles. by Golias · · Score: 1

      I like Tolkien's books, but there is no question who is nicer to see and hear... Being a straight male, I'll take Liv Tyler, thank you.

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    9. Re:Meet the Feebles. by Golias · · Score: 1
      Pardon me if you already know this, but "Alan Smithee" is not a person. It is a pseodonym that is frequently used when a director asks that their name be removed from the credits.

      In other words, an "Alan Smithee" film is one that is so horrible that the director was ashamed that he was involved, and would not want anybody to know it.

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    10. Re:Meet the Feebles. by RedWizzard · · Score: 2

      "Dead Alive" is the US title for Brain Dead. I've never heard of a film where the cast has been so inthusiastic.

    11. Re:Meet the Feebles. by dswensen · · Score: 2
      Well, I didn't see that, but you can hear J.R.R. Tolkien himself speak in Elvish (and recite some book excerpts) here: http://www.salon.com/directory/topics/j_r_r_tolkie n/index.html.

      I'll take The Man Himself speaking Elvish over Liv Tyler speaking Elvish any day :)

    12. Re:Meet the Feebles. by dinivin · · Score: 2


      Being a gay male, I'll take Liv Tyler as well, thank you. :-)

      Dinivin

  24. Re:Why should I go watch this? by st.+augustine · · Score: 1
    Seriously, why? It's not like I need convincing to go see the movie... ...And this fucking thing better be of higher quality than TPM.

    Don't see the trailer. Continue to expect LOTR to be roughly on a par with Phantom Menace. Get blown out of your chair in December.

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  25. Re:Why should I go watch this? by verbatim · · Score: 2

    DivX ;-) is an illegal hack of one of Microsoft's codecs. I believe that all it does is remove the restrictions on dimention limits and introduces the ability to use MP3 as the audio codec.

    You should be asking: why aren't they using Project Mayo (a/k/a/ DivX part Deux)?

    I dunno. ;-)
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  26. Re:Why should I go watch this? by verbatim · · Score: 2

    >> Why do they not use project Mayo?
    >Are you kidding?

    > Maybe cause, um, they don't give a flying crap
    > about the geek/linux community and want to use
    > a commercially acceptable format that people
    > usually have?

    Arugh. Please quote people entirely when you respond...

    I _actually_ said:

    >> You should be asking: why aren't they using
    >> Project Mayo (a/k/a/ DivX part Deux)?
    >>
    >> I dunno. ;-)

    (trying, of course, to keep my tounge firmly in cheek).

    Now.. what were we talking about?


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  27. Re: submitter comments by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    > Is anyone else annoyed by the "^_^" emoticon? I mean, it's not even a smiley face

    (!)

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  28. Re: submitter comments by the_tsi · · Score: 1

    Not only do I think that the USA should adopt English as it's national language and force its use in all affairs, foreign and domestic, but I think that the rest of the world should give up the silly notion that they're equal to or more powerful than us and just start speaking English as well. Conformity is the secret to world peace. Conformity under American morals and laws, that is.

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  29. Re: submitter comments by the_tsi · · Score: 1

    Nothing personal, dude, it's part of a massive research project I'm working on involving the Slashdot community. It's amazing the trends you can discover just by posting various things around here.

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  30. re: submitter comments by the_tsi · · Score: 4

    > suffice to say it rocks ^_^

    Is anyone else annoyed by the "^_^" emoticon? I mean, it's not even a smiley face: it looks like someone who's died. The mouth is taut and the eyes are looking upward.

    No one actually turns their head to look at the "classic" smileys, we all recognize them as they are printed. Orienting an emoticon so that it is readable along with the text is unnecessary, especially if it doesn't show the range of emotions previously available.

    For some reason, I find that the people who do the ^_^ face tend to be anime zealots. Is there a story behind this that I missed while watching live action movies?

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  31. Re:LOTR:FOTR trailer in downloadable Quicktime by ttyRazor · · Score: 1

    That's the old one

  32. Re:It is as I feared by dvicci · · Score: 1

    I wish I were so lucky as to have already seen the movie like you obviously have... how else would you know that he's "wide-eyed" in "every single scene".

    You are going to hate this movie, b/c you've already decided that you do.

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  33. Re:I know the Evil side will win their fight. by dvicci · · Score: 1

    Where did you get the information that The Valar banished Sauron to oblivion? All I've ever read points at him being reduced to a malevolent shadow unable to assume form again... a seemingly unfounded feeling of fear and foreboding for those that encounter him, but nothing more.

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  34. Re:What's the big deal? by SnowDog_2112 · · Score: 2

    Comic movies aren't all bad.

    Superman was good.
    Batman was decent.

    The Crow stands alone atop the heap, however.

    I can't believe you liked X-Men but not Superman and Batman.

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  35. Re:Watch Movies? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2

    Yeah, and in 2003, we can watch him fall into the fires of Mount Doom with the Ring and Frodo's finger screaming "I meant to do that!"

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  36. Frame-by-frame-analysis by de+la+mettrie · · Score: 3

    There is a good frame-by-frame-analysis of the new trailer at TheOneRing.net.

    1. Re:Frame-by-frame-analysis by Pathetic+Coward · · Score: 1

      Here's another link to the trailer analysis.

    2. Re:Frame-by-frame-analysis by John_Booty · · Score: 2

      Let's hope it's actually a shot-by-shot analysis, not a frame-by-frame analysis. At ~24fps, and ~30sec, that would be uh... a lot of screenshots.

      Or, maybe it really is a frame-by-frame analysis, and TheOneRing.Net has such a fat pipe that they're attempting some sort of reverse-Slashdot attempt!

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  37. That domain name by Sebbo · · Score: 5

    Does anyone else keep reading it as "theonionring.net"?

    Mmmm. Onion rings...

    The domain is free, btw, if anyone wants to snap it up and see what WIPO has to say about it.

  38. Re: Now THIS is a troll! by chill · · Score: 1

    Congratulations. Nice troll.
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  39. Why should I go watch this? by revscat · · Score: 4

    Seriously, why? It's not like I need convincing to go see the movie. I want to be surpised as much as possible when Xmas 2k1 rolls around and this baby hits the theater. Eru knows I've read The Silmarillion 8 dozen times by now. Commercials & trailers will only spoil the fun for me. My two bits. And this fucking thing better be of higher quality than TPM. Otherwise I'm taking hostages. Grr. - Rev.

    1. Re:Why should I go watch this? by oobleck · · Score: 1

      I know that I had fears about this movie not meeting my standards. The trailer says, "Take a look, we are doing a great job, get in line now."

      I'm salivating. And I'm ready to buy LOTR merchandise.

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    2. Re:Why should I go watch this? by drudd · · Score: 2

      The thing I really like about LOTR is that while the advertising is guaranteed to be overwhelming as the first release aproaches, the plot can't be spoiled since I know it already!

      Where with TPM I was waiting and hoping for a good movie with a good plot, I know there's already a good plot in this as long as they kept half of Tolkein's original works. Even that doesn't guarantee that they suceeded in making a good movie out of it, but at least it's already a step up from TPN.

      Doug

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    3. Re:Why should I go watch this? by levik · · Score: 1

      You mean that's NOT what really happens?

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    4. Re:Why should I go watch this? by selectspec · · Score: 1

      Good strategy but hard. I try to remind myself that Peter Jackson is the loser than brought us the Frighteners. And that some of the casting is a little odd. Plus, this is Hollywood we're talking about. These gerks haven't made a good picture in decades. But, the biggest problem with most movies today is the weak writing. Knowing that one of the greatest authors of the English Language is involved makes it difficult to be a pessimist.

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    5. Re:Why should I go watch this? by Kidbro · · Score: 1

      Did you read the first half of the fellowship? Do that and tell me Gandalf is not acting like a wild-eyed crazy man!
      He changes quite a bit (in the mind of Frodo and the reader) during the books. Remember... he's quite stressed up during the episode in the Shire ;)
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    6. Re:Why should I go watch this? by bonoboy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I actually read the article about Bakshi and Kricfalusi after I posted it (lawks! exposed!) and found out I was dead wrong pretty quickly.

      I actually dug Wizards, though. Again though, I think the main reason people I knew weren't into his stuff was his fetish for incorporating nazi footage into his animation. People just can't get past the "one medium, one thread to follow" idea. Though I must admit, if the creators of Titan AE had stuck to one rendering technique, it might have been vaguely watchable.

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    7. Re:Why should I go watch this? by bonoboy · · Score: 4

      It's not Hollywood. The screenplay was written by Jackson himself, a New Zealander who's also directing it. It was also filmed entirely in New Zealand, with the majority of the effects work being done there as well. Sure, it's American money, but the direction is foreign.

      I suggest you check out Bad Taste his first film, which was completed on weekends over a couple of years with friends, if I remember. You won't get it, it's mostly kiwi jokes. What you might get is Meet the Feebles a Muppets parody with some really sick shit in it. Basically, his roots are effects and schlock stuff. But he also did Heavenly Creatures, an excellent look at the Parker-Hume murder. If he's ever proven anything, it's that he's got incredible range.

      That being said, I'm right with the group here suggesting you assume it's crap until you see it. I think TPM has prepared us all. The last guy who tried to do this, Ralph Bakshi, left it half finished. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure he died of cancer half way through. His Vaughn Bode-esque experimental animation put alot of people off, but in truth was quite an amazing adaptation. But perhaps a little too experimental for many peoples' liking. I'm certain Peter Jackson won't make the same mistake, being a true fan.

      For a pretty interesting interview with John Kricfalusi (of Ren & Stimpy fame) discussing Bakshi, go here.

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    8. Re:Why should I go watch this? by Grab · · Score: 2

      Didn't realise he did MtF - god that was a sick film! LMAO like never before! :-)

      Bakshi told the story reasonably well, but the animation was no better than your typical early-morning kiddy job, which kind of pisses off adult fans of the book.

      As far as the being a true fan goes, though, that's no guarantee. Think Dungeons and Dragons, and be afraid, be very afraid...

      One thing I will say from this trailer, the lad playing Frodo seems pretty crap. He looks and sounds a bit too much like he's a graduate of the Keanu Reeves school of acting. I hope to god I'm wrong or I'll be extremely pissed off - given that a few thousand actors would gladly sell their mothers for soap to be in LotR, they'd damn well better do it right first time.

      Grab.

    9. Re:Why should I go watch this? by Nards · · Score: 1
      Why do they not use project Mayo?

      Are you kidding?

      Maybe cause, um, they don't give a flying crap about the geek/linux community and want to use a commercially acceptable format that people usually have?

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    10. Re:Why should I go watch this? by e_lehman · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I love the dark aspect!

      What is it with fantasy film directors? They all INSIST on having an irritating comic relief character to lighten up (= destroy) the mood. Serious fantasy is tough enough to bring off in film without some obnoxious character flitting about going, "Eeee! Eeee! Meesa passed gas!" in a distracting quest for sight-gag laughs. It's as if the directors are saying, "Well, of course we're not taking this geeky stuff *seriously*. Hehehe." And we're all in the audience saying, "Then don't make the damn film."

      Man, I hope these guys can bring it off! The universe needs at least one good fantasy film before its heat death in 10^18 years or whatever. (I give it about even odds at this rate.)

    11. Re:Why should I go watch this? by IronChef · · Score: 2

      From what I have read, the movie will deviate from the books a lot. I mean, orc eggs? Arwen hangin' with the Fellowship? A big Elven army at Helm's Deep?

      I can understand cutting things. The books are too long to translate perfectly into a movie. But adding things like orc eggs is just lame.

      I'm going to wait for some reviews before I go see this thing. I'm expecting another TPM.

    12. Re:Why should I go watch this? by franzel · · Score: 1
      First, Jackson's best shock film is Dead Alive (originally, Brain Dead).

      Second, his most well-known work in the general public is probably The Frighteners (which is a solid movie in and of itself).

      And third, not only is Bakshi not dead but The Onion's AV Club had an interview with him recently about his Lord of the Rings film, amongst other topics.

    13. Re:Why should I go watch this? by RedWizzard · · Score: 2

      Have you seen this trailer? It is so incredibly DARK. My God I'm impressed.

    14. Re:Why should I go watch this? by i0lanthe · · Score: 3
      the plot can't be spoiled since I know it already!

      Or at least we'd better know it already. If the movie trilogy ends with Frodo successfully claiming the ring and, I dunno, going on to found a famous software company or something, I for one will be fairly ticked.

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    15. Re:Why should I go watch this? by GMontag451 · · Score: 1

      I'd always envisioned him as somewhat calm and collected. Something like the elves, but more ready for action.

    16. Re:Why should I go watch this? by GMontag451 · · Score: 3

      Jackson did Dead Alive??!! That, plus watching this new trailer just shot my hopes for this movie down the shit hole. Did anyone else cringe when Gandalf came on acting like a wild-eyed crazy man?

    17. Re:Why should I go watch this? by dinivin · · Score: 1

      I try to remind myself that Peter Jackson is the loser than brought us the Frighteners.

      And he's also the genious (and I don't use that word lightly) that brought us Heavenly Creatures.

      Dinivin

    18. Re:Why should I go watch this? by dinivin · · Score: 1


      Next time, I promise.

      Dinivin

    19. Re:Why should I go watch this? by alfonzo_r · · Score: 1

      That onion interview rocks!

  40. Just an opinion... by west · · Score: 1

    But did any one else feel that the voice overs for this trailer (and even more so the previous one) simply cry out to be spoken with an English accent?

    The current accent is simply too... flat.

    It needs that feel of a sage found in an ancient library.

    1. Re:Just an opinion... by fishboy · · Score: 1

      while a broad survey of the accent in the voice-over does not betray it immediately, the accent is definitely scottish and not american. listen to almost any of the vowel sounds in any word and things like the presence of the scottish broad 'o' is easily detected.

      eg "...believed lost for centuries, it has now been *found*"

      that 'found' is as scottish as they come. canadians are plagued by this sort of thing, as in saying the word 'about' as 'a-boot' rather than 'a-bowt'

    2. Re:Just an opinion... by Snodgrass · · Score: 1

      Yeah...maybe it's because there was no "American" dark age. You think Kingdoms, castles, peasantry, knights, wizards and stuff, and America just doesn't come to mind. Needs a nice, thick, noble English accent...just like you said ;)

  41. I know the Evil side will win their fight. by H3lldr0p · · Score: 2
    They're pure evil. None of that mamby-pamby half-evil/half-poodle shit that Lucas puts out which could easily be thrown 60 yards on a forward pass. Geeze. Think about it. Any evil that can be "saved" after being the leader in the death of billions cannot be that evil in the first place. Sauron on the other hand, we can all be sure has a special place in Hell waiting for him after the One Ring has been destroyed.

    1. Re:I know the Evil side will win their fight. by selectspec · · Score: 2

      The Valar banished Sauron to oblivion (like his mentor Melcor). Saruman's spirit, when his mortal body fell, look briefly to the West, and decided to be no more and faded into oblivion. I couldn't agree more. Star Wars sucks. Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest works in English Literature. Star Wars reads like it was written by a 12 year old. "General Han Solo" I think sums it up. So far on writting, the ball is with LOTR.

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    2. Re:I know the Evil side will win their fight. by selectspec · · Score: 2

      Yes, the Similarian only briefly mentions that he was reduced to nothing and unable to assume form again. I've always interrpreted this to be inline with what happened to Melcor minus the fanfare. Sauron's banishment isn't really mentioned because he's not as significant as Melcor. However, there is no specific mention of Sauron's fate in the literagy. He probably did like Sarumon and figured why even bother trying to come back.

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  42. Download mirror by ender- · · Score: 4
    You can download [no stream] from here:

    LOTR Trailer

    Ender

  43. YAM (Yet Another Mirror) by pyrosoft · · Score: 1

    ...is here for all to enjoy. Enjoy!

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  44. He's NOT by Joe_NoOne · · Score: 3

    Where'd you get that info - the cast page :

    http://www.theonering.net/movie/cast.html

    has "Andy Serkis" listed as Gollum....

  45. Re:These movies ought to be banned by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

    OMG, this was moderated down? This needs +5 Funny! Ha ha ha!

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  46. Re:It was just a joke... by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

    Amen. Paul got screwed, and I think it's actually pretty brave of him to come back to the screen after this long. He was recently on Conan O'Brian's show, and he was really a riot. To bad his career was ruined for so long.

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  47. We /did/ get a record number of trailer downloads by devphil · · Score: 2


    How many downloads of the original LotR trailer from their crappy website were there in the first 24 hours? One point someodd million? I distinctly recall it was well over the number of TPM downloads.

    Yeah, all your fanbase belongs to us. :-)

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  48. Re:Greatest Cinematic Epic by Flambergius · · Score: 1

    My fav is the coolest-ever (as in calm) raidar operator's even voiced statement: "A fleet of Satr Destroyers is coming out of hyper-space in sector 12." (Or something to that effect.)

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  49. Re:Greatest Cinematic Epic by Flambergius · · Score: 2

    I agree, we have a fight in our hands. Let's do some scientific analysis and try to figure which one will win.

    > The Jedi are rallying behind the Force, while the Rangers summon the courage of the Numenor.
    Edge: SW.
    Force and Jedi took a blow in the Phantom Menace (Mitocondrias or what?) but at least they didn't get sunk and beaten at every turn.

    > The Skywalker family against the Isildur lineage.
    Edge: even.
    Both families have a lot going for them and we simply do not know enough about them to judge. Curently Skywalker's great strenght is of course Natalie Portman (NAKED AND PETRIFIED! ... sorry, about that, I just had to do it.) but she may
    face stiff (or should that be "stiffing") competition from Liv Tyler.

    > Darth Vader vs. the Nine.
    Edge: LotR
    Vader is cool, and so was Maul and emperor too has things going for him, but the Nazgul are the real thing. They are scary, really scary. They are probably the one really-scary-evil-guys-in-black in popular fantasy that don't suffer inflation during the story. Wizard-king is just as scary bashing down the gates of Minas Tirith as he was chasing hobbits in Shire and Bree.

    > Obewan up against Gandalf the Gray. Dead/Ghost Obewan up against Gandalf the White.
    Edge: even
    Sir Alec should have played Galdalf who is much more complicated character then Obi-Wan. I don't think Ian McKellen can match Sir Alec so Obi-Wan has room for a come-back. This is your chance Evan, use it, um, wisely.

    > Bobafet vs. the Balrog.
    Edge: LotR
    The Balrog kicks Boba's butt even with one hand tied behind his back and blindfolded. You could throw in Rankor too and it wouldn't make a difference.

    > Storm Troopers vs. Orcs.
    Edge: LotR
    The Imperial Elite, gimme a break. Orcs suck as bad but at least they know they do. And there's Uruk-hai to consider.

    Conclusion: it's 3 to 1 for Lord of the Rings with 2 even.
    It looks bad for Star Wars but it's not hopeless. It would be really easy to fumble the Aragon and Arwen romance and even more so with understandable but dangerous story changes. That would make the Skywalker-Isildur match-up a clear victory for SW. That would pretty much leave to whole battle in to the able hands of Evan McGregor as he can be the tie-breaker in the Obi-Wan-Galdalf deadlock.
    So it looks like a close thing with LotR leading at the moment but Star Wars definately able to catch up.

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  50. Re:These movies ought to be banned by Enoch+Root · · Score: 2

    You always put words in other people's mouths? Where did I say we should ban it?

  51. Re:These movies ought to be banned by Enoch+Root · · Score: 2
    I don't think he was creating an allegory. He was creating a fantasy world according to his own personal beliefs, and I think that makes perfect sense. So Gandalf was not an allegory for an archangel: he WAS an archangel, because in Tolkien's belief system, all world were created by God and would hold the same hierarchy of beings.

    It's like creating a world with gravity... If it's at the core of your vision of reality, better make it consistent.

  52. Re:These movies ought to be banned by Enoch+Root · · Score: 4

    Actually, there are plenty of very Christian references in LotR. JRRT himself was very Christian. One example that comes to mind is the use of language for magic: every act of magic, whether from Gandalf or the Balrog, comes from the voice, since it was the belief of Tolkien that the Word was the founding principle of Creation. Additionally, Gandalf and the other wizards were more or less gardian angels. All this is detailed in the Silmarillion.

  53. Aargh! Crisis of conscience... by hitzroth · · Score: 1
    LOTR. Made by New Line Cinema. A AOL Time Warner company.

    Goddamn, the film looks sweet.

    Ick. AOL is helping to perpetuate MS's monopoly. Want to boycot.

    Don't know if I can, the film is too smooth.

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  54. It was just a joke... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 2

    It was just a dirty joke, in the same way I joke about my old housemates masturbating habits, with with my Karma Whoring tendancies added.

    I really like Paul Reubens, Pee Wee Herman is one of the most creative Movie/TV characters of all time. The fact that Paul Reubens got caught masturbating in an adult theater makes him more human and approachable. I liked him in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and I'm sure he'll make a great Smegal.

    Paul Reubens' is not different then your average pr0n surfing Slashdot reader, nor is he very different from your average pr0n sneaking "Oh, I don't do _that_" man or woman.

    The only think shocking about the Paul Ruebens story is that several policemen wasted their time in tailing and then busting Ruebens when they could be fighting an actual crime, and that Disney canned his ass because the story stained the Disney Corp's imaginary, puritan and regressive view on Sexuality.

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  55. Why should I go watch this? Because you mussssst.. by esoterus · · Score: 3

    The trailers of the enemy are gifts! Why don't we use them against him! ...precious... yes.. precious.... they are my birthday presents afterall, precious... aren't they? Thief Baggins! Wants me not to watch the trailers.... thinks it will ruin the surprise precious.... Even though precious has read the books a million times... perhaps precious needs peace of mind... perhaps the danger of blasphemy from these movies is greater than the hope of success, precious...

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  56. Re:These movies ought to be banned by jmccay · · Score: 1

    Nope. I was simply comment on the comment I repling to. I have read the LOTR triology and the Hobit and I enjoyed both. I think it is funny that someong moderated my comment as flaimbait, but others gave moderated up one of the replies to my comment that pretty much the same thing.

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  57. favorit LOTR quote by selectspec · · Score: 2

    gandalf in describing his battle with the Balrog, "Deep beneath the surface the earth is gnawed by nameless things."

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  58. Re:It was fortold... by selectspec · · Score: 2

    "One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them" was in the old trailers.

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  59. Re:Greatest Cinematic Epic by selectspec · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I don't think its a close call even. LOTR will demolish Star Wars. The only thing Star Wars has in its favor are sweet campy lines. We'll have to wait and see with LOTR in this respect. But it will be tough to outdo, "I find your lack of faith disturbing," "Luke! Luuuke!" and "Jumping into hyperspace aint like dusting crops kid" LOTR is so serious and grim, I doubt it will have anything like this. The camp factor in StarWars is what makes it appealing.

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  60. Greatest Cinematic Epic by selectspec · · Score: 4
    I know this is going to get flamed beyond belief, but we all know where this is leading. A war that rivals the Windows vs. Linux fued, dwarves the KDE vs. Gnome rivalry, snuffs out the Emacs vs. Vi debate and makes World War II seem like a petty disagreement:

    The Lord of the Rings vs. Star Wars.

    The battle lines are being drawn, and the forces are mustering. The Jedi are rallying behind the Force, while the Rangers summon the courage of the Numenor. The Skywalker family against the Isildur lineage. Darth Vader vs. the Nine. Obewan up against Gandalf the Gray. Dead/Ghost Obewan up against Gandalf the White. Bobafet vs. the Balrog. Storm Troopers vs. Orcs. I can feel the calm before the storm.

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    1. Re:Greatest Cinematic Epic by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 1
      Don't know if the OP was trying to be as funny as the moderators thought it was, but that debate would be a waste of time. The two movies, in terms of form, are completely different, and as such many of the obvious comparisons don't apply. For instance, there isn't really a Darth Vader in LOTR, in that no major villain gets as much time spent on them in the book that DV got in the movie. That's a pretty big difference right there. Without a strong protagonist vs. antagonist setup, you've got a major inconsistency that precludes most of the comparisons you'd normally want to draw.

      For instance, the major theme in LOTR is setting. That's why Tolkien could spend 1000+ pages on a book that barely gives the sum total of one page of dialogue to the major antagonist. That wasn't what drew most readers through the book -- instead it was the long and sustained immersion into a foreign world with all its nuances.

      Star Wars only has an appeal on this level because of its various spinoffs. The major story in SW was the prototypical Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey, whereas Tolkien was going for a much broader approach to mythology, that he achieved not only through LOTR, but also through the hard-core epic writing of the Silmarillion and the fable approach of The Hobbit.

      It'll be interesting to see how this major difference gets handled in the LOTR adaptation. Your average modern-day alt.fiction film NEEDS a strong protagonist/antagonist conflict to keep it together. I suspect it'll get a lot of hype just because of its namesake, but the impact won't be anywhere near as lasting as SW was on the world of film. They're probably equal in terms of their place in their respective genres, but as a whole, I wouldn't be surprised if LOTR is as underwhelming in the world of film as SW is in the world of literature.

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  61. What's the big deal? by owillis · · Score: 1

    I know a lot of you love the books, but put that aside and look at the movie. It looks hokey. Elijah Wood? Come on. I really cannot understand why the "geek/nerd" community is jonesing for this movie so hard? Matrix 2, Spider-Man I can understand. But why this?
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    1. Re:What's the big deal? by owillis · · Score: 1

      So a simple dissent is a troll? I'm asking an actual question.

      I know a lot of you love the books, but put that aside and look at the movie. It looks hokey. Elijah Wood? Come on. I really cannot understand why the "geek/nerd" community is jonesing for this movie so hard? Matrix 2, Spider-Man I can understand. But why this?
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    2. Re:What's the big deal? by owillis · · Score: 1

      You had me going there until you said Superman wasn't a good movie. What brand of crack are you smoking? It is the perfect comic movie. Perfect.

      But I'm talking about LOTR the MOVIE, not the book. The MOVIE looks like crap.
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    3. Re:What's the big deal? by hyacinthus · · Score: 1

      "I'm as geek as they come but I've always found superhero comics childish and reeking of latent homosexual undertones."

      Well, sure, I've got to have _some_ excuse for reading them! (Ah, let me bask in the glow given off by a geek trying pathetically to prove his masculinity, by those two time-honored methods, profanity and homophobia.)

      At least one other would agree with you, and he would be Alan Moore, who loads WATCHMEN with allusions to the perception of superheroes as all being a bunch of queers.

      hyacinthus.

    4. Re:What's the big deal? by hyacinthus · · Score: 1

      "I know a lot of you love the books, but put that aside and look at the movie. It looks hokey. Elijah Wood? Come on. I really cannot understand why the "geek/nerd" community is jonesing for this movie so hard? Matrix 2, Spider-Man I can understand. But why this?"

      Because it's based on what I, and many other slavering Tolkien fans, believe to be one of the best and richest works of fantasy. When I was a thirteen-year-old nerd laboring through a colorless life at home and at school, THE LORD OF THE RINGS was like a ray of sunshine; it was nourishment for my imagination, and it gave me something to be enthusiastic about. And there's more to the LOTR besides imaginative descriptions of fantastic lands, and action set-pieces. There are depths in the LOTR amply to repay repeat readings: he conflicts tearing at Gollum, for example; or the contrast between the headstrong Boromir and his younger, more thoughtful Faramir; even a little romance (although a teacher of mine once said tartly that Tolkien wrote about women as though he'd heard of them, but never met one.)

      THE MATRIX appeals to baser instincts; it appeals to the foolish person in me who likes to see things blowed up real good. What else is there to THE MATRIX, really, other than intricately choreographed violence, Carrie-Ann Moss in leather, and Keanu Reeves in a trenchcoat?

      And as for Spider-Man--don't get me started. Rule Number One of comic-book movies: they're none of them any good. _None_ of them. Not SUPERMAN, not BATMAN or any of its bastard children, certainly not SPAWN (which has the added disadvantaged of being based on a pretty bad comic book.) Well, I'll make some allowance for X-MEN.

      To my mind, THE LORD OF THE RINGS' big competition is the Harry Potter movie, coming out a month earlier. The Harry Potter books are relatively light-weight, but they're entertaining and (especially in the later volumes) start digging into darker territory, with more emotional and moral depth. But I can't imagine that Harry Potter, being after all "children's literature", appeals too much to the geek crowd. One thing that the adolescent geek tries hardest to prove is that he is not a child. (Often, he fails.)

      hyacinthus.

    5. Re:What's the big deal? by Ubex · · Score: 2

      "childish and reeking of latent homosexual undertones" is a bad thing because ... ?

  62. Re:Mirror for the larger version (the 33MB one) by Drestin · · Score: 1

    http://ex1.callihq.net/fellowship2.mpeg

  63. Quicktime Trailer Mirror by Drestin · · Score: 2
    http://ex1.callihq.net/lotr2.mov

    If you have a higher/better resolution version let me know...

    db

  64. MPEG Version Available Here! by Drestin · · Score: 3
  65. Re:It is as I feared by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2
    Do you really want someone older who insists on bringing his own persona and element to the role and over acting it?

    That's not what a more experienced actor would do. Are you saying that's how Ian McKellan is playing Gandalf? Doesn't look like it to me -- the man has incredible range. He's not even recognizable as the same actor from his Richard III a few years ago. Of course, you wouldn't want someone quite that old to play Frodo, just someone experienced enough to be able to play him believably.

    What I want is an actor who understands the part. It's plain that Wood doesn't. Wide-eyed? Sometimes, sure, especially at first. But in every single scene? As is is, "overacting" is just how I'd describe what Wood has done with this part. He looks as if he's done a miserable job. I hope it's just an artifact of how they selected scenes for the trailer.

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  66. Re:It is as I feared by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2
    Can't read, can you?

    I said, "I hope it's just an artifact of how they selected scenes for the trailer." And in my earlier post, I said, "Fortunately, he's surrounded by enough truly great talent that he doesn't have to carry the movie." If I don't like the movie -- which is going to be a clear and present danger with any attempt to put Lord of the Rings on film, especially for those of us old enough to remember the acute disappointment of the Bakshi movie -- it will be most likely because of the script or something Peter Jackson has done, not the acting.

    I'll admit I was predisposed to find Wood inadequate to the task, mostly based on an interview with him I read online last year and cannot now locate. In it he described his view of the Frodo. It was an almost complete misreading. Not only was it very superficial, but those traits he did observe he misunderstood. My hope is that by working with the brilliant actors who were cast alongside him, he'd pick up a bit more depth. Not a hint of that shows in the trailer, but then, as I said (three times now) they trailer may or may not be giving an accurate idea of how he will play him.

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  67. It is as I feared by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 3
    If this trailer is an accurate sample of how Elijah Wood is going to play Frodo, then it's as I said about a year go in one of the Tolkien newsgroups: The boy has no grasp whatsoever of the character and will suck royally.

    Fortunately, he's surrounded by enough truly great talent that he doesn't have to carry the movie. But I'd rather Frodo were portrayed competently. They should have hired an older actor, one with more life experience who might have had a better understanding of some of Frodo's thoughts and reactions.

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    1. Re:It is as I feared by _newwave_ · · Score: 1

      They should have hired an older actor...

      His relative inexperience and ignorance is exactly what is needed for this role. Do you really want someone older who insists on bringing his own persona and element to the role and over acting it? Personally, I pictured Frodo travelling through Middle Earth as wide eyed as Woods appears in the trailers, as if he hardly believes this is all happening to him.

  68. So what was the huge spoiler? by Alban · · Score: 1

    I heard Gollum but didn't see him... Yet on the german site they mentionned that there was a huge spoiler. What was it?

    1. Re:So what was the huge spoiler? by SquadBoy · · Score: 2

      That can not be it. I'm thinking they are talking spoiler as in things that we did not know before the movie. For example this does contain the first shots of The Enemy that I have heard of so far and also we know who does the voice of Gollum in the context of a set of books that has been around this long those are the only things that could really be called "spoilers". In any case I'm all pumped up.

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    2. Re:So what was the huge spoiler? by Monogamous+Coward · · Score: 1

      They were referring to the 4' tall spoilers that 16 year olds glue to the back of their riced-out (but still slow as molasses) Civics so that they look like shopping carts.

  69. Re:Agreed by prefect · · Score: 1

    Very true. As a side-note regarding the Shining though, I think what Kubrick did to the film was what made it work. If you've read the original book and then viewed the film I think most can agree that this is one of those rare cases where the movie "version" far outshines the original literary work.

    As much as I love Jackson's work (he's one of my favorite directors, right up there with Kubrick, Gilliam, Lynch, et al) I can't honestly say I expect the movie to live up to Tolkein's novels. I think it will be a beautiful movie, perhaps one of the best *ever* made, but I think to expect any film to accurately recreate every last tidbit of such a magnificient work is ridiculous and unreasonable. Regardless, I'm anxiously awaiting xmas time :-).

  70. Re:Peter Jackson by prefect · · Score: 1

    you're quite right. my bad... too much caffeine fried my brain.

  71. Peter Jackson by prefect · · Score: 2

    You're absolutely correct. I've been a fan of Peter Jackson since I first saw Bad Taste (the movie from which the exploding sheep reference is lifted) and have seen every flick he's directed since.

    Quite simply, Jackson is an artist. Sure, maybe not the kind of artist the Kubrick or Lynch or Gilliam is, but an artist nonetheless. From the gruesome gibbiness of Dead Alive (some of which still makes me squirm) to the twisted puppetry of Meet The Feebles all the way to the beautiful cinematography and gifted storytelling seen in Beautiful Creatures, Jackson has been evolving towards this.

    Think about it, an uncompromising director that has risen up from the ranks of 10 thousand dollar budget movies to play with the big boys, with experience with intricate puppetry (he now operates his own effects company that specializes in animatronics) and a knack for visual storytelling directing the epic LOTR. He's perfect.

    For anyone that doubts based on his past in horror-comedies, please do yourself a favor and see Beautiful Creatures (a movie based on the real-life murder committed by two young girls in NZ in which Jackson not only portrays the actual events but also delves into their dream-world motivations -- it's brilliant). I don't think any of us will be disapointed with LOTR.

  72. Re: submitter comments by Mononoke · · Score: 4
    Is anyone else annoyed by the "^_^" emoticon?

    Nope. =_=

    Orienting an emoticon so that it is readable along with the text is unnecessary, especially if it doesn't show the range of emotions previously available.

    No range of emotions? ;_;

    For some reason, I find that the people who do the ^_^ face tend to be anime zealots.

    Many normal anime fans do it also. *_*

    Is there a story behind this that I missed while watching live action movies?

    Yes, and until you get over your immature prejudices against various types of storytelling, you'll never know. ^_~


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  73. They better not overmarket by Delrin · · Score: 1

    I hope they don't over play the whole thing like they did for Star Wars. I liked the movie of course, but they literally spammed the hell out of us with ads. I'd prefer to be pleasantly surprised with the film actually does come out.
    On another note, the link to the streaming trailer is 404 and the download mirrors are toast.

    1. Re:They better not overmarket by Delrin · · Score: 1

      Maybe not television ads, but there were like, Star-Wars coke cans, toothbrushes, just about anything you could imagine. For what seemed like ages before the movie was released.

  74. All too soon by Delrin · · Score: 1

    We'll be drinking out of our Gandalf slushy-cups and be playing Frodo 3d for OSX. Actually, I already bought the Bilbo Baggins front cover for my Nokia phone, and it plays the theme song for LOTR. Oh, and look at Liv Tyler in the 2002 Middle Earth pinup calendar. "Power can be found in the smallest of things"...

  75. MPEG? by WowTIP · · Score: 1

    Anyone know any mirrors of the mpeg version (i.e. fellowship2.mpeg)?

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  76. Momentary lack of intelligence? by (void*) · · Score: 1

    You are wrong. That poster Anonymous Coward never posts anything intelligent. I assure you, his stupidty is permanent!

  77. Re:It was fortold... by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 1

    No mention anywhere in the trailer of the whole point of the journey!!

    Three rings for the elven-kings under the sky,
    Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
    Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
    One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
    One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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  78. �Give it to The Onion by yerricde · · Score: 1

    [Theonionring.net] is free, btw, if anyone wants to snap it up and see what WIPO has to say about it.

    WIPO would probably award the domain to The Onion first.

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  79. Re:Huh? by Explo · · Score: 1

    Why "Only Real format at this stage unfortunately" ? Be glad it ain't "Only Windoze Media format at this stage unfortunately.

    Or Quicktime. It may be a nice format, but until support for more platforms comes, I don't like Apple much...

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  80. Re: submitter comments by Yosho · · Score: 4
    Nope, ^_^ is just pretty much an anime thing. Typically, whenever an overly happy anime character shuts their eyes, they're shown in a shape similar to a ^ (but more curved, of course). Coincidentally, overly happy anime characters tend to shut their eyes a lot. I'm sure most people would prefer to have another curve for a smile instead of a _, but there isn't a character for that, really...

    Also: Orienting an emoticon so that it is readable along with the text is unnecessary, especially if it doesn't show the range of emotions previously available.

    Ah... How so does ^_^ not show the "range of emotions previously available"? Is it not as happy as :-)? (Actually, I think it looks happier, but that's just me) If you're referring to the fact that there are many variations upon :-), such as ;-), >:-), :-D, and so forth, there are also a number of variations on ^_^. Ones that spring to mind include -_^ (winking), -_- (eyes drooping/frustrated), ^^; (anime sweatdrop -- nervous, apologetic. No, I don't know why the _ is typically dropped), O_O (amazed), o_o (frightened), =^_^= (cat-smiley; one of my favorites), and so forth. Many people also replace the _ with something else, so you could have ^.^ or ^o^.
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  81. mirror site US by fred_the_slow · · Score: 1

    you can download from here

  82. Re: submitter comments by CamMac · · Score: 1

    My sister first introduced me to ^_^ 5-6 years ago. I personally believe that she uses them b/c they are easier for a novice typer. (Hold down the shift key, hit 6-6; vs. hold shift, hit ';', release shift, hit '-', hold shift, hit '0'... something way to complex for my sister back then:-)

    I've always seen ^_^ as the DeeDee to my Dexter :-). --Cam PS, In order to stay on topic, I would like to point out that my sister STILL hasn't read LoTR. Heathen.

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  83. *swarm* this by aminorex · · Score: 3

    from this link.

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  84. Watch, then read by mrBlond · · Score: 1
    > Everyone, please read the books first!! There is
    > no chance of the film being better than the books,
    > and if you see the film first you have spoiled the
    > plot for the books. It's much better to spoil the
    > plot for the films.
    > -- DagSverre

    The book is almost always better than the movie, that's why I try and see the movie before reading the book - that way I enjoy the movie, and later enjoy the book. If you read it 1st, the movie is always a disappointment.

    Already read Silm, Hobb and LotR tho, but waiting for Fincher's Rama before reading it.
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  85. Re:These movies ought to be banned by mrgoat · · Score: 1

    Actually, there are some names from old norse myths. Oin, Gloin, and Gandalf (as a character in LOTR, bore an astonishing resemblence to Odin and had the moniker "the Grey Wanderer") were names of characters associated with Freyja, a Vanir hearth goddess. Check out "The Norse Myths" translated and retold by Kevin Crossley-Holland to get a gist of what I mean.

    The story that Tolkein's writing tells is unique and epic in it's own right, but there are elements of several different belief systems present, and not just christianity. But there is no allegory there, that is for sure.

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  86. Re:These movies ought to be banned by Pimpy · · Score: 1

    You have got to be kidding. That's the kind of negligent moronic attitude that can be directly attributed to Columbine. Sheltering your child from things is ludicrous, they'll find out sooner or later, and it's your own fault for not discussing things with them first. On top of all this, you're also claiming that magic is bad. Perhaps you spent too much time criticizing instead of actually _reading_ the books. These books are not meant to be a factual reference, they are labelled as _fantasy_ books for a reason. If your child can't distinguish between fantasy and reality, you're again failing your job as a parent. If you had properly educated the child, these kind of things could be taken as what they were intended, entertainment value. A child is going to be exposed to violence regardless of your futile efforts, sheltering them from the reality of it isn't helping anything. Don't blame an excellent set of books for your inability to educated a child.

  87. Re: submitter comments by Kurobara · · Score: 1

    what supprises me is that someone spent mod points to comment on my choice in emoticon's o.O

  88. Warning spoilers... duh by Thorin_ · · Score: 1

    The download site warns of spoilers. How are they going to spoil it... reveal the ending?

  89. Re:remember the dead of Pearl Harbor this Memorial by Golias · · Score: 1
    That was a pretty entertaining troll, actually. I'm glad I read it before it got shot down to -1.

    I liked the part about selling both Ayn Rand books and Bibles from the same source. (For those who don't know, Ms. Rand was not simply an athiest, but actually had a strong hatred for organized religion. She also disaproved of charity in general, so buying her books to be given away to the needy, with Bibles, would probably have her turning in her grave.)

    Well done, AC. I don't think anybody would have been fooled into thinking you were serious (although the ease with which people are trolled on /. never fails to astonish me), but it was kind of funny.

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  90. No spoilers here by pressman · · Score: 1

    I'm just having a hard time believing that SO MANY of my friends haven't read these books! I'm just waiting to see a preview of Bilbo biting off Gandalf's finger and Galadriel and Sarumon getting it on!
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  91. Re:LOTR:FOTR trailer in downloadable Quicktime by RedWizzard · · Score: 2
    Oh, and a hearty fuck you for the karma troll comment. Jealous?
    No, drunk (thus the "troll" rather than the more usual "whore"). Not normally my style, so sorry about that.
  92. apple.com/trailers by DigitalDragon · · Score: 1

    In Real?? No thank you. I'll just wait couple of days before seeing it on Apple. Amazing quality.

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  93. Watch Movies? by 13Echo · · Score: 1

    Why is Paul Reubens any different than the average pr0n surfing Slashdot reader? As disturbing as the Paul Reubens story may be, I happen to think he would make a great Golem. Just think of Pee Wee Herman with grey skin, sharp teeth, and cloudy eyes. Add that funky Pee Wee Herman suit... Now THAT'S CREEPY!

  94. Re:These movies ought to be banned by 13Echo · · Score: 1

    Tolkien was a teacher of Anglo Saxon. Though I never finished reading all of his books, I found the language aspects quite fascinating. I purchased some books back then that were about the languages of Middle Earth. Anyone with interest in Tolkien or language should read them. They are quite interesting. Perhaps seeing this movie will spark some more interest for me in reading the books. It has probably been 5 or 6 years since I've picked one up. I was peering through the new paperback at the bookstore yeterday (it has all three LOR books combined) and came across some old runes. My girlfriend probably didn't know what to think when I told her "I can still read some of these runes." She doesn't get that geek stuff.

  95. Another site for veiwing by SexyGeorge · · Score: 1

    This one has format options http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/1/99076750 5

  96. Must've been in a hurry. by 3G · · Score: 1

    The real link is right here.

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  97. Re:These movies ought to be banned by StarTux · · Score: 1

    Man, you have some weird sense of humor! At least one would hope...

    Grand Wizard StarTux

  98. Re:It was fortold... by rppp01 · · Score: 1
    You know, I figured their website was a little stronger than this. Already slashdotted. I sure home the movies hold up better than their website does.

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  99. songs by Beowulf_Boy · · Score: 1

    Are they going to have a bunch of annoying songs in it like they did in the Book.
    I always skipped those.

    1. Re:songs by F34nor · · Score: 1

      For someone who names himself after the hero of the first epic English poem you sure are lacking in respect for poetry.

      What did you see the movie of Beowulf and think it was a Highlander sequel?

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  100. wow by blueskatz · · Score: 1

    That brought tears to my eyes. I've been waiting years for this movie. Just seeing a bit of my favorite scene (flight to the ford) gives me goosebumps.

  101. Movie Scoops by Talinom · · Score: 2

    The website Coming Attractions has links on The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, and Return of the King. It gives TONS of information on who is in it, where it is being filmed, etc...

    They also have good information on movies like:
    The Matrix Reloaded (Matrix 2)
    The Matrix 3
    Men In Black 2

    and many other movies. If you are interested, they are a great site.

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  102. Re:These movies ought to be banned by Jas26785 · · Score: 1

    Hmm, I missed the "Re:".

    Sorry.

  103. Re:These movies ought to be banned by Jas26785 · · Score: 2

    Ban it for Christian references? Amazing to see this on a site strongly supporting civil liberties...

    Amazing how it's a violation of civil rights when the activity is politically correct (atheism or agnosticism) yet not when it's politically incorrect (Christianity).

    If you don't like Christianity, don't see it. Mention to all your friends that they shouldn't see it. I hope you don't consider yourself a free speech advocate while calling for a banning.

  104. Agreed by dswensen · · Score: 1

    Frankly, I trust Peter Jackson to direct LotR more than I would trust Kubrick, Gilliam, Ridley Scott, or what have you. While they are/were all great directors, I think each of them would try to bring too much of themselves to the film's direction. (A good example of this is The Shining, which exudes Kubrick-ness but bears almost no resemblance to the book on which it is based.) In every interview I've seen, Peter Jackson has shown a lot of respect, admiration, and outright love for the Lord of the Rings. He really seems to like his subject matter a lot, and that means more to me than any directing credentials.

    1. Re:Agreed by dswensen · · Score: 1

      I don't expect it to live up to the books, either. But I'm going in with that expectation, so as to cut down the potential for outrage. :) I am hoping that the adaptation won't be too loose, and that they will preserve at least a few of Tolkien's great lines -- but, given the state of movies today, if Frodo doesn't say "talk to the hand" or "don't go there," I'll count myself ahead of the game.

      As for the Shining -- I loved the book, and I thought the movie was great, but they're two separate entities in my mind. I thought the movie was so different from the book that it might as well have been called something else. Still, it was light-years better than the much more faithful (but atrocious) TV movie version that came along later.

  105. The movie should be fine... by dswensen · · Score: 2

    ...but I'll tell you what I'm not looking forward to: Jon Katz's review of Lord of the Rings. "In the wake of post-Columbine injustice, everybody but the Pinkertons are watching Lord of the Rings, a cyber-geek, cyber-thriller which will revolutionize open source. Blah blah blah sweeping generalization blah blah blah rhetorical grandstanding blah blah blah self-aggrandizing claptrap blah blah blah raging jackass..."

  106. Re:These movies ought to be banned by perlchimp · · Score: 1

    I agree. I always felt reading the Silmarillion was like reading the bible.

  107. Re:These movies ought to be banned by 037 · · Score: 1

    This type of thing really frightens me. I wish it hadn't been modded so far down, because this is a valid opinion; we're talking about the books and this person has voiced an opinion on the subject of the books. It's not fair to mod it so far down, but it frightens the hell out of me.
    Gentleman: I respect your opinion -- that witchcraft and magic are the sorts of ideas that are dangerous to children. I do on aggree with you, but I respect the opinion. I suggest that your religion is not everyone's and at a certain point even the most fundamental of Christians need to accept the fact that some people choose not to be 'saved' as you say. This choice does exist to us, even in your rather literal interpretation (this is a supposition) of the four gospels.
    Seriously, I don't like hearing about burning books. One of the things about computers is that we have become too used to the concept of "rm". Literature, art of any kind in fact, is not transitory. It should not be deletable. It is, from a social perspective, read-only. Remember when the Taliban were trashing those statues, and the world was up in arms? Repeat after me: WE DO NOT DELETE OUR ARTISTIC WORKS, REGARDLESS OF HOW WE DISAGREE WITH THEM.
    I really, really think that this is a fundamental feature of democracy. Bigger than the daft little ritual with the slips of paper that we slip into the box.

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  108. mirror on t1 by loosifer · · Score: 3

    Here's another mirror, of the download, not the streamer.

  109. Whatever... by F34nor · · Score: 1

    Gilgalad was an Elven King, Oh him the trailers will not sing, A movie who's face is fair and free Of the darkness, that Melkor be. The cast is clean and small of frame, But hobbits eyes reveal no pain That comes from burdens light and gold Who ancient curse will not be told. The voice of the tag-line is cliche And rings not of the eldar day On to middle earth you think we go But hollywood is from below. Where tolken dweleth none can say For long ago he went away And into darkness fell his star In the land of movies where Modor are.

  110. Why do they do it? by Decimal+Dave · · Score: 1

    Why would any movie producer release a trailer in this horrible Real format? Even in the downloadable version the audio is weak, the frame rate is low, and artifacts abound. Why not make it a nice, 50MB MPG video with perfect 44.1Khz audio? Using MPG also opens the trailer up to a larger audience and reduces the number of playback problems by freeing people from proprietary software. Everyone complains when trailers are only available in QuickTime, but at least they look nice (often almost DVD quality). The way people are using Real these days is just awful. When trying to promote a movie, producers should aim for quality, not saving bandwidth.

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  111. Another site to watch the trailers by lmd · · Score: 1

    A much better site is here. It has the original and the new trailer as well.

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  112. Is this now "News about LOTR. Stuff re: LOTR"? by sporkinator · · Score: 1

    How about something new about The Matrix sequels, or maybe another Star Wars article. This LOTR stuff is VERY impressive, but geeze - move on already!

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  113. It was fortold... by shut_up_man · · Score: 4

    One Site to tell them all,
    One Site to remind them,
    One Ring to bring them all
    and in the darkness completely Slashdot them.

  114. Finally I get to see the whole story! by mscout1 · · Score: 1

    I've tried to read the books several times but I always get bogged down and quit. The problem is that everyone has about 15 differet names and the books are so looooong. The farthest I've gotten is about halfway into "Two Towers". I love the story though and hope the movies will be good.

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