Another thing to remember about.NET is that whether or not there is an Open Source implementation, the majority of the traffic will be going through Microsoft's servers... At least, for the HailStorm portion of things.
I really do not think it would be healthy for the Open Source movement to embrace.NET - Open implementation or not.
Ryan, I hope you're right and this ends up being like SAMBA
Jabber.com caters to corporations who want to implement instant messaging internally. You'd be surprised how many companies have approached them. They develop server extensions and taylor clients to the corporations' needs. They have several business deals in the making, but the specifics aren't public information yet. Just take a look at Jabber.com's customer list for those deals which are public information.
Basically, Jabber.com wants to cater to corporations who want to use Jabber and also employ several of the core hackers on the Jabber.org (Open Source) Jabber project. There are also other companies forming which will be involved in the creation of Jabber and Jabber-related services/projects, so Jabber.com won't have absolute control over the project. (And it doesn't currently anyway, there are many of us (myself included) who work on Jabber-related things but are not employed by Jabber.com)
Oh! Of course! How incredibly naive of me... no wonder why I can't drive or accept software licenses or buy violent video games until I'm 18! Then I turn magically no longer naive!
Ok, good, that's what I've been doing since 7th grade, and it seemed to be working so far. I'm glad that I now know that others actually survived by doing that...
What happens is my school sees this stuff? Do I answer truthfully, saying that I match their profile, except for the drug use and dysfunctional family part, and risk being expelled?
I go to a Catholic school because the public school near me isn't that great, and my parents wanted me to have a better education... but this is a Catholic school, it's pretty easy to be expelled...
I mean... why is it all of a sudden so bad to be a geek? Good points were made in that the bullies should be looked at as having something wrong, possibly...
I mean, a girl that hung out with a bunch of kids that picked on me in elementary school had a freaking baby last month! And she's 16! Yet, I'm the one the FBI is targetting as potentially dangerous... Isn't it somewhat kinda bad to have a kid at 16... especially when the person was doing drugs before and during pregnancy????
I don't like to flip out at nothing, but this seems as if it could get me expelled if my school sees it and I answer truthfully...
I think that the security for internet voting is something that needs to be proven before it can hit mainstream. When I say security, I also mean the possible rigging of votes... they have to come up with a sure-fire way to prevent anyone from rigging votes... most polls that I know of have some way or another to get multiple votes in, and either you have to get a record of every person voting and ensure that they fill in their names and their names match those on the record, or you have to come up with some other way of doing it, that I really don't know about. The problem isn't preventing one computer from voting multiple times, but one person... they could easily go over to a friend's house or another net connection on a different computer and make up a name and vote... that'd be bad.
E 0.16 has Anti-Aliasing in its titlebars via its built-in truetype font renderer. All that you need is a font which supports Anti-Aliasing and the theme to use E's TTF engine instead of X's. Really cool. Hopefully we'll see more anti-aliasing soon enough. E now has support for epplets, which are like dockapps, and as far as I can tell, this version is actually somewhat faster... check it out.
Also, this may be the last release before E becomes a desktop environment instead of a window manger. DR17 may have an E file manager... we'll see. For us GNOME users, there is now Sawmill (http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~john/sw/sawmill/ind ex.html), which is shaping up nicely and will hopefully remain as fast as it is while getting a few more features... check that out if you want a light window manager for GNOME. Julian btw, sorry about the messed-up post... it was fine in the preview...
E 0.16 has Anti-Aliasing in its titlebars via its built-in truetype font renderer. All that you need is a font which supports Anti-Aliasing and the theme to use E's TTF engine instead of X's.
Except that we (the Jabber team) are certainly hoping that Mozilla won't be the only place people get Jabber. Our Mozilla client is just a small part of the whole.
Will it be stable? The Mozilla dev team has made improvements, but they still haven't reached this goal. Or will AOL take an unstable Mozilla and only put forth the polishing work for Netscape, leaving the open-source Mozilla to fend for itself? Hmm.
Who would do the polishing? All of AOL's Netscape/Mozilla developers are working on Mozilla, so they would polish that, too.
Will AOL's feature additions to Netscape be merged back into Mozilla? Hmm.
Tell me, do you WANT advertisements, AOL's IM, and all of that shit built-in? I certainly don't. I really doubt that AOL will release its code Open Source just so us users of Mozilla - not netscape - can get their features. That's why Netscape will be "better" than Mozilla - AOL's "features."
Will a free, open-source Mozilla be able to contain all the necessary parts? (i.e. go read the About page on Netscape and see how much technology is from 3rd parties). Hmm.
Mozilla already contains most of that stuff and a lot more that we don't need. I'm not worrying about having ENOUGH features, I'm worrying about TOO MUCH.
Let's think... the picture's not as simple as you would paint it to be.
The government has only been a pain in the ass for them for the past two decades, and they're getting worse.
NASA looked to other countries for help (International Space Station), but we all know that they weren't very responsive, either.
I think that they're now looking to private companies to help them in the exploration of space. They've finally realized that they can't do everything on their own, and they can't really advance that quickly... mostly because they're government funded.
I also think that they want to see the exploration of space and possible colonization of the Moon and/or Mars sometime in our future, and NASA's future doesn't look very bright.
There's no way you can actually prove anything simply by saying "Yeah, well, I had my NT box online, asked people to crack it, and no one managed to. Yet, BillyJoeBob's Linux box got cracked! So ha!"
First off, you have to monitor how many break in attempts there are. There could easily be double on the NT box because more anti-NT people heard about it than anti-Linux people.
Second, you have no idea if the people trying to crack into the boxes are of equal skill level.
Third, Linux is *way* too customizable. Sure, you could claim to install it with default settings and such, but that's not really proving anything, since that would just make the distribution's default settings at fault if somone cracks in, not Linux.
I have a feeling that we'll be seeing more of these as time goes on.
Like it or not, Linux has gained the attention of lawyers, executives, and beaurocrats and we will be forced to play their games. I imagine many inventors have gone through this before, and it will happen again. Yes, I agree. I also agree with several other people that Linus really needs to be more active about enforcing trademarks. Just because people claim to be so out of it that they haven't heard the word "Linux" doesn't mean they should be able to keep trying to do this. If Linux appears in the "real" "media" more, it will be hard to deny that it exists.
I'm not a programmer, but from my perspective (User) I like GTK+ most of all, and hate Motif most of all. Note that for my perspective I take into account speed and looks, since that's what matters to me.:)
Ha ha ha, that's awesome, you're doing (and planning to do) EXACTLY same things I am. Except I have a shitty-looking case. I can't wait for the Athlon. I just wish ABIT was making an Athlon motherboard, I like ABIT.:( I'd love to vote for AMD with my dollars, but the Athlon is a little rich for my Free Market Points(tm). I've already gone the single-Celeron 300a + BH6 jammed up to some ungodly speed, which was far less (including the snazzy new case I got) altogether than a comparably fast PII CPU by itself. However, this is a tide-me-over until sometime next year. I'm waiting 'til AMD does the process shrink, after which we will be able to buy >600MHz chips with fat (2Mb -> 6Mb!!) L2 cache and the new motherboards that have >2-way SMP and support for NUMA. Of course, this is all rumor-mill...
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The IETF completely ignored our Jabber RFC, and is currently in a deadlock between *three* proposals. It's not happening anytime soon...
Another thing to remember about .NET is that whether or not there is an Open Source implementation, the majority of the traffic will be going through Microsoft's servers... At least, for the HailStorm portion of things.
.NET - Open implementation or not.
I really do not think it would be healthy for the Open Source movement to embrace
Ryan, I hope you're right and this ends up being like SAMBA
Basically, Jabber.com wants to cater to corporations who want to use Jabber and also employ several of the core hackers on the Jabber.org (Open Source) Jabber project. There are also other companies forming which will be involved in the creation of Jabber and Jabber-related services/projects, so Jabber.com won't have absolute control over the project. (And it doesn't currently anyway, there are many of us (myself included) who work on Jabber-related things but are not employed by Jabber.com)
http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq
It's one of the first questions.
NO! No www! Jer insists upon http://jaber.org/
Jabber.
We have the AIM tranport working, and 0.8 should be aout soon. ICQ transport is coming very soon.
Oh! Of course! How incredibly naive of me... no wonder why I can't drive or accept software licenses or buy violent video games until I'm 18! Then I turn magically no longer naive!
Ok, good, that's what I've been doing since 7th grade, and it seemed to be working so far. I'm glad that I now know that others actually survived by doing that...
What happens is my school sees this stuff? Do I answer truthfully, saying that I match their profile, except for the drug use and dysfunctional family part, and risk being expelled?
I go to a Catholic school because the public school near me isn't that great, and my parents wanted me to have a better education... but this is a Catholic school, it's pretty easy to be expelled...
I mean... why is it all of a sudden so bad to be a geek? Good points were made in that the bullies should be looked at as having something wrong, possibly...
I mean, a girl that hung out with a bunch of kids that picked on me in elementary school had a freaking baby last month! And she's 16! Yet, I'm the one the FBI is targetting as potentially dangerous... Isn't it somewhat kinda bad to have a kid at 16... especially when the person was doing drugs before and during pregnancy????
I don't like to flip out at nothing, but this seems as if it could get me expelled if my school sees it and I answer truthfully...
Should I just lie?
ah, thanks
Bah... I was hoping for a nice picture to print out and use as a halloween mask next year.
I think that the security for internet voting is something that needs to be proven before it can hit mainstream. When I say security, I also mean the possible rigging of votes... they have to come up with a sure-fire way to prevent anyone from rigging votes... most polls that I know of have some way or another to get multiple votes in, and either you have to get a record of every person voting and ensure that they fill in their names and their names match those on the record, or you have to come up with some other way of doing it, that I really don't know about. The problem isn't preventing one computer from voting multiple times, but one person... they could easily go over to a friend's house or another net connection on a different computer and make up a name and vote... that'd be bad.
Enough ranting.
- Julian
In front of the Microsoft booth?
Think their monopoly has really grown that big yet?
NT == No Text..
I swear it was perfectly OK in the preview.
E 0.16 has Anti-Aliasing in its titlebars via its built-in truetype font renderer. All that you need is a font which supports Anti-Aliasing and the theme to use E's TTF engine instead of X's.
d ex.html), which is shaping up nicely and will hopefully remain as fast as it is while getting a few more features... check that out if you want a light window manager for GNOME.
Really cool.
Hopefully we'll see more anti-aliasing soon enough.
E now has support for epplets, which are like dockapps, and as far as I can tell, this version is actually somewhat faster... check it out.
Also, this may be the last release before E becomes a desktop environment instead of a window manger. DR17 may have an E file manager... we'll see.
For us GNOME users, there is now Sawmill (http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~john/sw/sawmill/in
Julian
btw, sorry about the messed-up post... it was fine in the preview...
E 0.16 has Anti-Aliasing in its titlebars via its built-in truetype font renderer. All that you need is a font which supports Anti-Aliasing and the theme to use E's TTF engine instead of X's.
Really cool. Hopefully we'll see more anti-aliasing soon enough. E now has support for epplets, which are like dockapps, and as far as I can tell, this version is actually somewhat faster... check it out. Also, this may be the last release before E becomes a desktop environment instead of a window manger. DR17 may have an E file manager... we'll see. For us GNOME users, there is now Sawmill (), which is shaping up nicely and will hopefully remain as fast as it is while getting a few more features... check that out if you want a light window manager for GNOME. br/=; Julianbr/=;Except that we (the Jabber team) are certainly hoping that Mozilla won't be the only place people get Jabber. Our Mozilla client is just a small part of the whole.
Will it be stable? The Mozilla dev team has made improvements, but they still haven't reached this goal. Or will AOL take an unstable Mozilla and only put forth the polishing work for Netscape, leaving the open-source Mozilla to fend for itself? Hmm.
Who would do the polishing? All of AOL's Netscape/Mozilla developers are working on Mozilla, so they would polish that, too.
Will AOL's feature additions to Netscape be merged back into Mozilla? Hmm.
Tell me, do you WANT advertisements, AOL's IM, and all of that shit built-in? I certainly don't. I really doubt that AOL will release its code Open Source just so us users of Mozilla - not netscape - can get their features. That's why Netscape will be "better" than Mozilla - AOL's "features."
Will a free, open-source Mozilla be able to contain all the necessary parts? (i.e. go read the About page on Netscape and see how much technology is from 3rd parties). Hmm.
Mozilla already contains most of that stuff and a lot more that we don't need. I'm not worrying about having ENOUGH features, I'm worrying about TOO MUCH.
Let's think... the picture's not as simple as you would paint it to be.
Sure it is, you just need to look.
1. Mozilla == Open Source.
2. Netscape != Mozilla, however, Netscape 5 will be based upon Mozilla.
So, let's think. Will I be able to get Mozilla without getting Netscape 5? Yes.
The government has only been a pain in the ass for them for the past two decades, and they're getting worse.
NASA looked to other countries for help (International Space Station), but we all know that they weren't very responsive, either.
I think that they're now looking to private companies to help them in the exploration of space. They've finally realized that they can't do everything on their own, and they can't really advance that quickly... mostly because they're government funded.
I also think that they want to see the exploration of space and possible colonization of the Moon and/or Mars sometime in our future, and NASA's future doesn't look very bright.
Julian
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That's basically all it can be.
There's no way you can actually prove anything simply by saying "Yeah, well, I had my NT box online, asked people to crack it, and no one managed to. Yet, BillyJoeBob's Linux box got cracked! So ha!"
First off, you have to monitor how many break in attempts there are. There could easily be double on the NT box because more anti-NT people heard about it than anti-Linux people.
Second, you have no idea if the people trying to crack into the boxes are of equal skill level.
Third, Linux is *way* too customizable. Sure, you could claim to install it with default settings and such, but that's not really proving anything, since that would just make the distribution's default settings at fault if somone cracks in, not Linux.
I have a feeling that we'll be seeing more of these as time goes on.
Julian
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Like it or not, Linux has gained the attention of lawyers, executives, and beaurocrats and we will be forced to play their games. I imagine many inventors have gone through this before, and it will happen again. Yes, I agree. I also agree with several other people that Linus really needs to be more active about enforcing trademarks. Just because people claim to be so out of it that they haven't heard the word "Linux" doesn't mean they should be able to keep trying to do this. If Linux appears in the "real" "media" more, it will be hard to deny that it exists.
I'm not a programmer, but from my perspective (User) I like GTK+ most of all, and hate Motif most of all. Note that for my perspective I take into account speed and looks, since that's what matters to me. :)
I would absolutely love Java if it had the things you mentioned.
Ha ha ha, that's awesome, you're doing (and planning to do) EXACTLY same things I am. Except I have a shitty-looking case. I can't wait for the Athlon. I just wish ABIT was making an Athlon motherboard, I like ABIT. :( I'd love to vote for AMD with my dollars, but the Athlon is a little rich for my Free Market Points(tm). I've already gone the single-Celeron 300a + BH6 jammed up to some ungodly speed, which was far less (including the snazzy new case I got) altogether than a comparably fast PII CPU by itself. However, this is a tide-me-over until sometime next year. I'm waiting 'til AMD does the process shrink, after which we will be able to buy >600MHz chips with fat (2Mb -> 6Mb!!) L2 cache and the new motherboards that have >2-way SMP and support for NUMA. Of course, this is all rumor-mill...