The programs don't really compare. BSPlayer is a front-end to Windows Media (see also MPC and ZoomPlayer). MPlayer is a reimplementation of a bunch of codecs and therefore independant of the WM infrastructure.
And who cares who you know? Unless you are arguing that many 'regular users' do not voluntarily install Yahoo/Google toolbars, there's nothing to discuss with you.
You are making an academic argument about a settled matter.
This whole "bundling" issue has already been fought through the courts, and Microsoft basically won on that point. As long as they aren't threating OEMs and other distributors about search packaging, it's legal.
Yes, I'm aware. But still regular folks tend to use Yahoo Mail and IM, and actually use the Yahoo toolbar.
I also see many Google Toolbars, and that's not bundled with anything AFAIK except some new computers. People like using Google, it's not a huge leap to imagine they will make 4 clicks to install the toolbar.
Microsoft's contention it's easy is exactly that, their contention. This is a relative measure, and probably 99% of slashdotters would change the search engine default with no difficulty. But one step out of the cozy techno-geek door and easy becomes Partial Differential Equations to many casual users.
1) Go to google.com 2) Click a link that says "Make Google your default Search Engine". 3) Agree to some security dialog.
You haven't convinced me that this is some horrendous technogeek task. In fact, it seems that regular users ALWAYS seem to have Google/Yahoo toolbars installed without any assistance from their local nerd.
So, according to you, Macs don't have viruses/worms/trojans because nobody bothers to write them. I can see that, there's no profit in it, so why bother?
Imagine if someone hooked a Mac up to a network accessible by hundreds of others Macs!
See art school comment. And that probably is the most likely scenerio for a Mac Worm, because (unlike home systems), networked Macs will have holes opened in the firewalls and therefore can be attacked via SMB/AFP/RPC/etc.
I think it's related to funky wireless (802.11b), although I've had problems on ethernet as well. And yes, a lot of the problems seem to be related to sleep. I've learned to connect/copy/disconnect and that seems to work OK -- any sort of persistant SMB connection and it's likely the Mac will go south sooner or later.
Well a COM object is a program component, not an application, so it is an apples-to-oranges comparison. It's a particular maldesign of Windows that private or 'friend' classes need to be registered globally.
And regardless all these programs that are "wrong" and "broken", the plain facts are that they exist and will continue to exist, and Mac users are going to have to deal with them. Event something that installs into ~/Library or/Library is probably worthy of an uninstaller.
That might have been an inspiration, but since programs weren't automatically added to the Apple menu, it didn't have the same function. You didn't "start" from the Apple Menu, you start from the disk icon.
Start Menu was more of cleaned-up version of CDE Drawers IMO.
Most of the Mac users I know fall into the "Creative Pro" (or wannabe) crowd, and they're sure they're doing something excitng and non-dull because it involves Photoshop somehow.
Except if the Finder was really The One True Way to launch apps, why did Apple need to add the Dockbar?
The Mac has some level of abstraction for program launching, but not as much as Windows does. This could easily be fixed if they slightly tweaked the default setup.
Bottom line: You can not definitively that Kerry lost more votes than Bush due to Negative-Campaign Backlash. There's an argument either way.
I will agree that the "Anybody but Bush" was a bad strategy that did not work, and to address the other guy's point, Kerry ran a "War Hero", when in fact his real reputation was as an "Anti-War Hero", which is why Bush was able to successfully pigeon him as a "flip-flopper" and he could respond correctly to SBV.
Now, you'd have to ask him to clarify to be certain, but I would say the chances are extremely slim that he's talking about people writing open source drivers under NDA. Mostly I say the chances are slim because that's a totally ridiculous idea that no hardware company would consider; if you're going to let somebody write an open driver, what's the point of an NDA?
I think you're reading too much into the term "NDA". For example -- "Here's some hardware documentation, don't post it on the web" is an NDA.
Theo is correct, and there's a very large number of open source driver being written this way.
You seem to be forgetting the "Swift Boat Veterns" that ran ads more-or-less calling Kerry a traitor -- and almost everyone associated with Bush/Rove. That was probably the single biggest media event during the last campaign, so your history seems a little biased to say the least.
PC (as in "Macs versus PCs") was in common use in the 1980s and was not some 1990s Microsoft conspiracy. The point about PC Magazine was just that they used the term "PC" as a generic throughout the 80s.
I will agree that there was a concerted effort to stamp out the word "Clone", for obvious reasons. Which is too bad because I still sometimes say "clone" to refer to a "whitebox" and people tend look at me funny.
You're not old enough to remember the abysmal IBM PCjr that really started the Mac vs. PC war
I'm old enough to remember the IBM PCjr vs Apple//c war (in which Commodore was victorious:), but I can't recall the "Peanut" ever being sold to the same market as Macs.
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The programs don't really compare. BSPlayer is a front-end to Windows Media (see also MPC and ZoomPlayer). MPlayer is a reimplementation of a bunch of codecs and therefore independant of the WM infrastructure.
And who cares who you know? Unless you are arguing that many 'regular users' do not voluntarily install Yahoo/Google toolbars, there's nothing to discuss with you.
You are making an academic argument about a settled matter.
This whole "bundling" issue has already been fought through the courts, and Microsoft basically won on that point. As long as they aren't threating OEMs and other distributors about search packaging, it's legal.
Yes, I'm aware. But still regular folks tend to use Yahoo Mail and IM, and actually use the Yahoo toolbar.
I also see many Google Toolbars, and that's not bundled with anything AFAIK except some new computers. People like using Google, it's not a huge leap to imagine they will make 4 clicks to install the toolbar.
The main reason is Google did not wish to provide a simple .reg or an .exe that changed it
.reg file for IE6 on this page. However the built-in search features of IE6 kinda suck, so there's little point in using it.
Google has a
http://www.google.com/options/defaults.html
Microsoft's contention it's easy is exactly that, their contention. This is a relative measure, and probably 99% of slashdotters would change the search engine default with no difficulty. But one step out of the cozy techno-geek door and easy becomes Partial Differential Equations to many casual users.
1) Go to google.com
2) Click a link that says "Make Google your default Search Engine".
3) Agree to some security dialog.
You haven't convinced me that this is some horrendous technogeek task. In fact, it seems that regular users ALWAYS seem to have Google/Yahoo toolbars installed without any assistance from their local nerd.
If you want to quibble between 1989 and 1985, go right ahead, you win. Your statement about Microsoft is still silly conspiracy theory however.
So, according to you, Macs don't have viruses/worms/trojans because nobody bothers to write them. I can see that, there's no profit in it, so why bother?
Imagine if someone hooked a Mac up to a network accessible by hundreds of others Macs!
See art school comment. And that probably is the most likely scenerio for a Mac Worm, because (unlike home systems), networked Macs will have holes opened in the firewalls and therefore can be attacked via SMB/AFP/RPC/etc.
I think it's related to funky wireless (802.11b), although I've had problems on ethernet as well. And yes, a lot of the problems seem to be related to sleep. I've learned to connect/copy/disconnect and that seems to work OK -- any sort of persistant SMB connection and it's likely the Mac will go south sooner or later.
Well a COM object is a program component, not an application, so it is an apples-to-oranges comparison. It's a particular maldesign of Windows that private or 'friend' classes need to be registered globally.
/Library is probably worthy of an uninstaller.
And regardless all these programs that are "wrong" and "broken", the plain facts are that they exist and will continue to exist, and Mac users are going to have to deal with them. Event something that installs into ~/Library or
I wouldn't necessarily call these apps "badly ported", because having a subfolder was the Right Way under MacOS 9 and below.
It brings up the point that if your app has a ReadMe file and an Uninstaller, where are you supposed to put it?
That might have been an inspiration, but since programs weren't automatically added to the Apple menu, it didn't have the same function. You didn't "start" from the Apple Menu, you start from the disk icon.
Start Menu was more of cleaned-up version of CDE Drawers IMO.
This page has some 1980s ads from Compaq where they call their machine a "PC". (see the 386/33 ones)
a ds/international/compaq
http://www.aresluna.org/attached/computerhistory/
Interesting. I guess it must not be used as extensively as COM because if your Mac had to read 10,000 plist files at bootup, it would be quite slow.
Most of the Mac users I know fall into the "Creative Pro" (or wannabe) crowd, and they're sure they're doing something excitng and non-dull because it involves Photoshop somehow.
Except if the Finder was really The One True Way to launch apps, why did Apple need to add the Dockbar?
The Mac has some level of abstraction for program launching, but not as much as Windows does. This could easily be fixed if they slightly tweaked the default setup.
Calm down dude, I'm pretty sure that joke originated in the Mac community.
Exactly -- out of the 111,234 (or whatever) viruses that Apple cites, maybe only a half-dozen were widely spread.
Bottom line: You can not definitively that Kerry lost more votes than Bush due to Negative-Campaign Backlash. There's an argument either way.
I will agree that the "Anybody but Bush" was a bad strategy that did not work, and to address the other guy's point, Kerry ran a "War Hero", when in fact his real reputation was as an "Anti-War Hero", which is why Bush was able to successfully pigeon him as a "flip-flopper" and he could respond correctly to SBV.
Now, you'd have to ask him to clarify to be certain, but I would say the chances are extremely slim that he's talking about people writing open source drivers under NDA. Mostly I say the chances are slim because that's a totally ridiculous idea that no hardware company would consider; if you're going to let somebody write an open driver, what's the point of an NDA?
I think you're reading too much into the term "NDA". For example -- "Here's some hardware documentation, don't post it on the web" is an NDA.
Theo is correct, and there's a very large number of open source driver being written this way.
Huh? The ad ended with a picture of an iMac. It was an Apple ad.
(Yes, I'm aware that Intel subsidizes advertisements for people who use their products, but this was still Apple's advertisment.)
You seem to be forgetting the "Swift Boat Veterns" that ran ads more-or-less calling Kerry a traitor -- and almost everyone associated with Bush/Rove. That was probably the single biggest media event during the last campaign, so your history seems a little biased to say the least.
He is correct, but you are still wrong.
PC (as in "Macs versus PCs") was in common use in the 1980s and was not some 1990s Microsoft conspiracy. The point about PC Magazine was just that they used the term "PC" as a generic throughout the 80s.
I will agree that there was a concerted effort to stamp out the word "Clone", for obvious reasons. Which is too bad because I still sometimes say "clone" to refer to a "whitebox" and people tend look at me funny.
This is the "screenshot" virus from a few months ago:
http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/leap_a.shtml
It installs into a InputManagers directory that is writable by the default user.
You're not old enough to remember the abysmal IBM PCjr that really started the Mac vs. PC war
//c war (in which Commodore was victorious :), but I can't recall the "Peanut" ever being sold to the same market as Macs.
I'm old enough to remember the IBM PCjr vs Apple