Windows Script Host (often with VBScript) is "something like AppleScript". Almost exactly alike.
Personally I don't think that either WSH or AppleScript are very Unix-like -- both rely on higher-level IPC and complex datatypes, not text and pipes.
It seems like Monad is trying to be a halfway point between a Unix-like shell and a scripting language. This might have something to do with the programming ability (or lack thereof) of those who admin Windows systems.
I call bullshit. I just looked up a Precision 470 and the price and specs identical for Windows or RedHat (except for the fact that RH is subscriptionware).
When Dell said that, AAPL was trading near their cash value, and was steadily losing money, so he sorta had a point. Of course he was wrong, if only because Apple's enormous brand value was worth more than the stock indicated.
Also he and Jobs were trading digs on each other's companies. Of course, Jobs' Anti-Dell insults don't tend to stick in people's memory the same way as any diss against Apple.
I seem to remember that Bat Utility Belts were commonly advertised in backs of 70s comic books, along with sneezing powder, whoopie cushions, and various magic tricks.
It's not as bad as you make it. A couple years ago, I wrote several thousand lines of javascript primarily targetted toward IE6. I needed less than couple dozen changes to get it to run in Mozilla. And since then Mozilla has add more support for IE-DOM features, so it would be even less now.
I wouldn't call Automator a scripting language at all, much less a command shell. Automator is cool, Monad looks cool, but they are only tangentally comparable.
The Windows feature you are looking for is "COM Automation", which as of yet hasn't been deprecated , maybe with Longhorn.
It also came bundled with a seperate disk(s) and/or CDRom that contained other goodies... This practice stopped once Microsoft subverted the PC Producers
This had more to do with PC price cutting than Evil Microsoft. In fact, one of the most popular bundleware product was MS Encarta, so the discontinuation of this practice hurt them too.
If the particular technical change ordered is not adequate to address the particular abuse, this should provide no comfort to Microsoft. If anything, it supports the argument that stronger measures are required.
This is an interesting argument -- By enforcing remedies that poorly-conceived and completely ineffectual, and obviously in the interest of a single compeititor, the EU hopes that they have made the case that they could effectively regulate Microsoft, if they were so disposed.
I think more likely, the EU will ignore their obvious failure, and will believe they have made their point, and therefore will develop a bureaucracy devoted to making trivial alterations to Microsoft's product plans until the end of time.
Thunderbird only does the half that doesn't involve spreading viruses.
This is pretty much totally FUD nowdays, no? The last virus I recall that attacked Outlook itself was in 2001 or something.
One thing that is true is that Outlook blocks EXE attachments in social engineering messages. Thunderbird does not. This might not matter if you are doing mail filtering, but small business tend not to.
Except luxury car sales are going up, and high-end PC sales, including Apple's, are going down. G5/OSX is a very strong combo, but the machines are selling worse than the old G4/OS9 days.
I think unlike a car manufacturer, most people in that PC segement are looking for utility and not Brand Image, and things like dualproc machines have a lot less relative utility than they used to (you don't need to spend $3K to run photoshop anymore).
Now laptops are a different story -- you can sell those on style & luxury.
Not really. If you were pirating Windows 3.1, it implies that you were a DOS user, and had an installed base of DOS applicaitons which Windows co-existed well with. If you were a new computer user, Windows of course came with the system and you weren't a pirate.
Nutscrape Management and apparently JWZ were smoking crack with ESR, who convinced them that opening the code would allow them to catch up to Microsoft IE within a year or two through the wonderfairies of OpenSource(tm).
Like it or not, everything he said was true at that time... Plus Netscape/Mozilla made some terrible engineering decisions that pretty much guaranteed that they wouldn't be competitive with Microsoft for five years -- Going with Mozilla instead of Netscape 5 pretty much elimniated Netscape.
JWZ sounds spiteful there, but IMO he was resigning in disgrace. I don't blame him for not sticking around @ AOL for the half-decade it took to make all the wrongs right.
ACPI is part of the EFI specification and not considered legacy or un-modern. I wouldn't assume that Apple is going to use a BIOS just because they hired a ACPI guy.
Don't worry Basil, I love you too. You help maintain my cartoony stereotype of Mac Zealots all being embittered idiots who hate PCs because they were confounded by the two-button mouse.
Back to licking Bill's ass by coding Java on my PowerBook...
One hallmark of Mac Advocacy is eternal optimism. No matter what, they're always saying the same thing:
With LATEST_APPLE_HARDWARE and the LATEST_APPLE_SOFTWARE. Apple is going to take over the world!!
The reality is that Apple is stuck at about 3% of market and some very loyal customers and few strong niches, but no real "momentum". They're profitable and make customers happy but they're never going to take over. Stealing desktop marketshare from Sun or Linux barely makes any statistical difference.
At this point, people have the right to be cynical about the eternal unpopularity of the Linux Desktop, but that only translates into Mac Advocacy because the editorial biases of this site.
Is it worth it for some pimply-faced virus kiddie to buy a Mac just to prove a point?
I mailed some AppleScripts to myself. They opened up and ran just fine. There's all sorts of interesting things you can do with file extensions and types. I don't think there really any technical barrier to taking out the advertising agencies and art schools of the world with a Mac virus -- especially because nobody's expecting one.
Nearly 100% of Mac users are supportive of the platform. If a hacker doesn't like Apple, they're more likely to just leave rather than lashing out by sending viruses.
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Windows Script Host (often with VBScript) is "something like AppleScript". Almost exactly alike.
Personally I don't think that either WSH or AppleScript are very Unix-like -- both rely on higher-level IPC and complex datatypes, not text and pipes.
It seems like Monad is trying to be a halfway point between a Unix-like shell and a scripting language. This might have something to do with the programming ability (or lack thereof) of those who admin Windows systems.
Sounds like a command shell that had one testicle removed.
I'm guess it'sa joke on UNIX, the OS that had both testicles removed. UNIX++ ?
I call bullshit. I just looked up a Precision 470 and the price and specs identical for Windows or RedHat (except for the fact that RH is subscriptionware).
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http://catalog.us.dell.com/CS1/CS1Page2.aspx?br=6
When Dell said that, AAPL was trading near their cash value, and was steadily losing money, so he sorta had a point. Of course he was wrong, if only because Apple's enormous brand value was worth more than the stock indicated.
Also he and Jobs were trading digs on each other's companies. Of course, Jobs' Anti-Dell insults don't tend to stick in people's memory the same way as any diss against Apple.
I seem to remember that Bat Utility Belts were commonly advertised in backs of 70s comic books, along with sneezing powder, whoopie cushions, and various magic tricks.
It's not as bad as you make it. A couple years ago, I wrote several thousand lines of javascript primarily targetted toward IE6. I needed less than couple dozen changes to get it to run in Mozilla. And since then Mozilla has add more support for IE-DOM features, so it would be even less now.
Try http://msdn.microsoft.com/scripting/
You mentioned mid-90s and CD-ROMs. According to Usenet, Encarta came out in 1993, or about the same time CD-ROMs were showing up in consumer PCs.
Hey -- it's 2005 now and we can all stop checking for IE4.0.
[Plus this code has a bug. If the element doesn't exist, you get different values (undefined or null) depending on the codepath.]
I wouldn't call Automator a scripting language at all, much less a command shell. Automator is cool, Monad looks cool, but they are only tangentally comparable.
The Windows feature you are looking for is "COM Automation", which as of yet hasn't been deprecated , maybe with Longhorn.
You can't run a javascript script from the command line. You can't click on an icon to run a javascript program
I guess you haven't run Windows in quite a while, because all of this works as expected. (The console command is cscript myscript.js)
It also came bundled with a seperate disk(s) and/or CDRom that contained other goodies ... This practice stopped once Microsoft subverted the PC Producers
This had more to do with PC price cutting than Evil Microsoft. In fact, one of the most popular bundleware product was MS Encarta, so the discontinuation of this practice hurt them too.
If the particular technical change ordered is not adequate to address the particular abuse, this should provide no comfort to Microsoft. If anything, it supports the argument that stronger measures are required.
This is an interesting argument -- By enforcing remedies that poorly-conceived and completely ineffectual, and obviously in the interest of a single compeititor, the EU hopes that they have made the case that they could effectively regulate Microsoft, if they were so disposed.
I think more likely, the EU will ignore their obvious failure, and will believe they have made their point, and therefore will develop a bureaucracy devoted to making trivial alterations to Microsoft's product plans until the end of time.
WMP/Mac supports an obsolete version of MS-DRM that almost nobody uses, which is one big reason it's useless.
QuickTime has a DRM layer also, but it doesn't leave "DRM" plugins laying around where users can find them so nobody complains.
You lose about 5-15% in some situations with SP2 v XP SP1
I assume this is because they recompiled the base OS with buffer checks.
Thunderbird only does the half that doesn't involve spreading viruses.
This is pretty much totally FUD nowdays, no? The last virus I recall that attacked Outlook itself was in 2001 or something.
One thing that is true is that Outlook blocks EXE attachments in social engineering messages. Thunderbird does not. This might not matter if you are doing mail filtering, but small business tend not to.
Yes, and our enemies shall talk themselves to death, and we will bury them with their own confusion.
:)
Nice reference
Except luxury car sales are going up, and high-end PC sales, including Apple's, are going down. G5/OSX is a very strong combo, but the machines are selling worse than the old G4/OS9 days.
I think unlike a car manufacturer, most people in that PC segement are looking for utility and not Brand Image, and things like dualproc machines have a lot less relative utility than they used to (you don't need to spend $3K to run photoshop anymore).
Now laptops are a different story -- you can sell those on style & luxury.
Not really. If you were pirating Windows 3.1, it implies that you were a DOS user, and had an installed base of DOS applicaitons which Windows co-existed well with. If you were a new computer user, Windows of course came with the system and you weren't a pirate.
Nutscrape Management and apparently JWZ were smoking crack with ESR, who convinced them that opening the code would allow them to catch up to Microsoft IE within a year or two through the wonderfairies of OpenSource(tm).
... Plus Netscape/Mozilla made some terrible engineering decisions that pretty much guaranteed that they wouldn't be competitive with Microsoft for five years -- Going with Mozilla instead of Netscape 5 pretty much elimniated Netscape.
Like it or not, everything he said was true at that time
JWZ sounds spiteful there, but IMO he was resigning in disgrace. I don't blame him for not sticking around @ AOL for the half-decade it took to make all the wrongs right.
ACPI is part of the EFI specification and not considered legacy or un-modern. I wouldn't assume that Apple is going to use a BIOS just because they hired a ACPI guy.
Don't worry Basil, I love you too. You help maintain my cartoony stereotype of Mac Zealots all being embittered idiots who hate PCs because they were confounded by the two-button mouse.
Back to licking Bill's ass by coding Java on my PowerBook...
Actually, Dell preinstalls WordPerfect on every machine they sell and they charge you for MS Office.
Which is obviously why WordPerfect is taking over the universe. Or maybe not.
One hallmark of Mac Advocacy is eternal optimism. No matter what, they're always saying the same thing:
With LATEST_APPLE_HARDWARE and the LATEST_APPLE_SOFTWARE. Apple is going to take over the world!!
The reality is that Apple is stuck at about 3% of market and some very loyal customers and few strong niches, but no real "momentum". They're profitable and make customers happy but they're never going to take over. Stealing desktop marketshare from Sun or Linux barely makes any statistical difference.
At this point, people have the right to be cynical about the eternal unpopularity of the Linux Desktop, but that only translates into Mac Advocacy because the editorial biases of this site.
Is it worth it for some pimply-faced virus kiddie to buy a Mac just to prove a point?
I mailed some AppleScripts to myself. They opened up and ran just fine. There's all sorts of interesting things you can do with file extensions and types. I don't think there really any technical barrier to taking out the advertising agencies and art schools of the world with a Mac virus -- especially because nobody's expecting one.
Nearly 100% of Mac users are supportive of the platform. If a hacker doesn't like Apple, they're more likely to just leave rather than lashing out by sending viruses.